Hi Joseph: Let me know if you need any help for I have lots of cousins in Wales and my grand father was born there in Llanbrynmaire Wales. Kathy Bguysmom@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Martin <illinoisgenie@gmail.com> To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 4, 2019 11:04 am Subject: [DVHH] How to unsubscribe Dear Listers, At present I need to take a break from this mailing list to focus on my newly found Wales ancestors' research. Could someone please advise how I can unsubscribe from this list. Thank you. Joseph Martin Romeoville, Illinois _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Forwarded for Charles Amann (Original email in HTML) Darlene ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "amann.charles1@gmail.com" <amann.charles1@gmail.com> To: "Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)" < donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Cc: Bcc: Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 16:59:30 +0100 Subject: Re: [DVHH] Re: Expressions of frustration? H‌ELLO As you know all these expressions are not german German is a new language , about from 1578 all these expressions are Rheinfränkisch , the Carolus Magnus (Charlemagne) language (800 AD) this was also the language of the people from Lorraine who went to the Banat not the french Lorraine people (south Moselle et Meurthe & Moselle) *Charles*

Dear Listers, At present I need to take a break from this mailing list to focus on my newly found Wales ancestors' research. Could someone please advise how I can unsubscribe from this list. Thank you. Joseph Martin Romeoville, Illinois

Hi Tony, If you or anyone else wonders about this meaning, it means or refers to something 'unbelievable'. Because cows don't bite. Anne Dreer -----Original Message----- From: Tony Fieder Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 10:15 AM To: Roy Engel ; Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) Subject: [DVHH] Re: Expressions of frustration? I remember my mother often telling a funny story about someone doing something stupid and ending it with "do moncht yo grat ein coo beist om" (phonetically) "You'd almost think a cow was biting you" As a youngster it always made wonder what she meant … LOL Tony ________________________________ From: Roy Engel <royengel@rogers.com> Sent: March 3, 2019 8:49 PM To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) Subject: [DVHH] Re: Expressions of frustration? My experience with this saying is that the word for "kiss" is replaced with the word for "lick". Roy On Sunday, March 3, 2019, 5:35:14 p.m. EST, Eve <evebrown@gmail.com> wrote: I just remembered probably the worst saying in German they used and it is a common one here also - which is "kiss my (you know what)" I know how to say it very well, but can't write it. After I married my husband who's mother's side is Hungarian I learned they use the same expression - imagine that :D Eve On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 5:25 PM Eve <evebrown@gmail.com> wrote: > My understanding is that most Serbian swear words were aimed at ones > mother. I've been told but def. not sure that Serbian and Russian are > close as is Croatian. I only know how to count tell a little joke (which > translates to: 1, 2, 3 your a Jacka..) which I only recently found out the > last word wasn't "monkey" as I had thought and how to swear with the best > of them apparently. So I am def. not an expert. > > Eve > > On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 3:20 PM Rose Vetter <rosevetter@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Our people were very pious and God-fearing and in their anger or >> frustration would usually invoke the help of God and the saints, such as >> "Himmel, Herrgott, Sakrament!" (heaven, God and sacrament!). I still >> remember an expression my grandmother used whenever she was shocked or >> frustrated. She would raise her folded hands up in the air and cry, >> "JesMa'ndJosef!" (a condensation of Jesus, Mary and Joseph, with a strong >> emphasis on the ufirst syllable, which sounded like a single word). >> >> Stronger expressionsì would be "D'r Teifl soll ihn hole" (Let the devil >> get >> him) or "Dunn'rwett'r nochamol!" (Donnerwetter = thunderstorm) nochmal. >> Women were not known to swear, whereas men would resort to Serbian when >> in >> a rage, which could be quite crude. I still remember my father uttering >> one >> particular Serbian phrase, and when I asked my older sister years later >> about the meaning, she replied, "You wouldn't want to know." >> >> Rose >> >> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 10:50 AM Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com >> wrote: >> >> > I remember sayings like “Ach du Lieber” or “Verdampfte” or “Schei**e” >> > or >> > “Blöde Kühe“ . For me the more crass one were in Hungarian.... which i >> > won’t repeat here. ;-). >> > Please forgive my spelling errors. >> > >> > Rita >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > > On Mar 3, 2019, at 11:34 AM, Eve <evebrown@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > >> > > I heard the most when my parents played cards with my aunts and >> uncles - >> > it >> > > was extremely crass swearing but in Serbian - according to my mom >> > German's >> > > didn't swear - LOL and usually things were said in regard to >> > > comparing >> > > people to animals in German. Of course, I had to get to the bottom >> > > of >> > what >> > > the Serbian swearing was - my parents would just crack up laughing >> when I >> > > asked them what they were saying - I was very good a repeating it >> > > correctly. About 7-8 years ago I found out. When we visited Europe >> > > a >> > > couple of years ago and we took a road trip to from Austria to >> Serbia, I >> > > noticed my cousin saying those same words during road rage moments. >> > > >> > > Eve >> > > >> > >> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 1:06 PM BZirger <BZirger@magma.ca> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> Hi Lori, >> > >> >> > >> That would be and expression of surprise or frustration. I would not >> > >> consider it swearing. There were other choice expressions for that, >> and >> > >> not necessarily in german. >> > >> >> > >> Brigitte Zirger >> > >> >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> > >> From: Lori Straus [mailto:loristraus@loristraus.com] >> > >> Sent: March 3, 2019 11:06 AM >> > >> To: DVHH-L <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> >> > >> Subject: [DVHH] Expressions of frustration? >> > >> >> > >> Hey everyone, >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Another question for the more “experienced” Donauschwaben on the >> list :) >> > >> What expressions did you or your parents/grandparents use to express >> > >> frustration? I remember my grandparents saying something like “In >> Gottes >> > >> Himmel nei!” to express amazement or surprise. (I don’t know if I >> > >> got >> > that >> > >> right—I spelled that phonetically.) But I don’t know how they >> expressed >> > >> frustration, swearing or otherwise. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Any memories out there? >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Regards, >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Lori Straus >> > >> >> > >> Writer, Editor, German-to-English Translator Technology / Performing >> > Arts >> > >> / Memoir >> > >> (519) 503-7098 >> > >> Skype: lori.straus >> > >> www.loristraus.com<http://www.loristraus.com> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Professional Writers’ Association of Canada, professional member >> > >> >> > >> Literary Translators’ Association of Canada, associate member >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >> > >> >> > >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> > >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> > >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb >> > >> is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> > >> Unsubscribe >> > >> >> > >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> > >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> > >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> > >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> > >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >> RootsWeb >> > >> community >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Syrmia Regional Coordinator >> > > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> > > Unsubscribe >> > >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >> RootsWeb >> > community >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> > Unsubscribe >> > >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> > community >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hello Gabriela. Thank you for this information, it is a breakthrough a stone wall. I was successful in locating the birth record. I am curious. Why were you searching for the Francois information? Would you have a copy of the article? I did search for the web-site and article on the internet however I was unable to find it. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Gabriela Schmitutz-Krause [mailto:dennimom@gmx.de] Sent: March-04-19 2:43 AM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] Re: FRANZWA - Alsace Hello Paul, Your Johann Martin Franzwa was born in Durrenbach, Alsace on July 2, 1744. The names in the church book are Francois, Fransoa, Fransua. Parents Martin Francois and Anna Maria Heim. I found him many years before and there is also an article about him and other Apatin people from that region in Donauschwäbische Forschungsblätter, in German. Here are he church books: http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/registres-paroissiaux-et-documents-d-etat-civil/ETAT-CIVIL-C110#search-results Regards Gabriela Gesendet: Montag, 04. März 2019 um 01:24 Uhr Von: "Paul Frank" <paulfrank@sasktel.net> An: "'Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)'" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Betreff: [DVHH] Re: FRANZWA - Alsace Hello Terry, thank you for this information. It pertains to Martin Franzwa and Katharina after they arrive in Apatin Hungary. I searched but found no links to Alsace. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Terry Schira [mailto:tbschira@hotmail.com] Sent: March-03-19 6:42 PM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] FRANZWA - Alsace There is a Martin Franzwa in Alsace on geneanet. You can set up a free account. Here's the link to Martin: https://gw.geneanet.org/billo59?n=franzwa&oc=&p=martin Have a good day. Terry Schira ps: for others that want to search geneanet, here is the main page link: https://en.geneanet.org/[https://en.geneanet.org/] [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-anima[https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-anima] ted-no-repeat-v1.gif]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_s[https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_s] ource=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com[http://www.avast.com]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=li[https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=li] nk&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref[http://bit.ly/rootswebpref] Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.c[https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.c] om Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY[https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY] Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9[https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9] Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog[http://rootsweb.blog] RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref[http://bit.ly/rootswebpref] Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com[https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY[https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY] Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9[https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9] Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog[http://rootsweb.blog] RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I remember my mother often telling a funny story about someone doing something stupid and ending it with "do moncht yo grat ein coo beist om" (phonetically) "You'd almost think a cow was biting you" As a youngster it always made wonder what she meant … LOL Tony ________________________________ From: Roy Engel <royengel@rogers.com> Sent: March 3, 2019 8:49 PM To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) Subject: [DVHH] Re: Expressions of frustration? My experience with this saying is that the word for "kiss" is replaced with the word for "lick". Roy On Sunday, March 3, 2019, 5:35:14 p.m. EST, Eve <evebrown@gmail.com> wrote: I just remembered probably the worst saying in German they used and it is a common one here also - which is "kiss my (you know what)" I know how to say it very well, but can't write it. After I married my husband who's mother's side is Hungarian I learned they use the same expression - imagine that :D Eve On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 5:25 PM Eve <evebrown@gmail.com> wrote: > My understanding is that most Serbian swear words were aimed at ones > mother. I've been told but def. not sure that Serbian and Russian are > close as is Croatian. I only know how to count tell a little joke (which > translates to: 1, 2, 3 your a Jacka..) which I only recently found out the > last word wasn't "monkey" as I had thought and how to swear with the best > of them apparently. So I am def. not an expert. > > Eve > > On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 3:20 PM Rose Vetter <rosevetter@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Our people were very pious and God-fearing and in their anger or >> frustration would usually invoke the help of God and the saints, such as >> "Himmel, Herrgott, Sakrament!" (heaven, God and sacrament!). I still >> remember an expression my grandmother used whenever she was shocked or >> frustrated. She would raise her folded hands up in the air and cry, >> "JesMa'ndJosef!" (a condensation of Jesus, Mary and Joseph, with a strong >> emphasis on the ufirst syllable, which sounded like a single word). >> >> Stronger expressionsì would be "D'r Teifl soll ihn hole" (Let the devil >> get >> him) or "Dunn'rwett'r nochamol!" (Donnerwetter = thunderstorm) nochmal. >> Women were not known to swear, whereas men would resort to Serbian when in >> a rage, which could be quite crude. I still remember my father uttering >> one >> particular Serbian phrase, and when I asked my older sister years later >> about the meaning, she replied, "You wouldn't want to know." >> >> Rose >> >> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 10:50 AM Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com >> wrote: >> >> > I remember sayings like “Ach du Lieber” or “Verdampfte” or “Schei**e” or >> > “Blöde Kühe“ . For me the more crass one were in Hungarian.... which i >> > won’t repeat here. ;-). >> > Please forgive my spelling errors. >> > >> > Rita >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > > On Mar 3, 2019, at 11:34 AM, Eve <evebrown@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > >> > > I heard the most when my parents played cards with my aunts and >> uncles - >> > it >> > > was extremely crass swearing but in Serbian - according to my mom >> > German's >> > > didn't swear - LOL and usually things were said in regard to comparing >> > > people to animals in German. Of course, I had to get to the bottom of >> > what >> > > the Serbian swearing was - my parents would just crack up laughing >> when I >> > > asked them what they were saying - I was very good a repeating it >> > > correctly. About 7-8 years ago I found out. When we visited Europe a >> > > couple of years ago and we took a road trip to from Austria to >> Serbia, I >> > > noticed my cousin saying those same words during road rage moments. >> > > >> > > Eve >> > > >> > >> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 1:06 PM BZirger <BZirger@magma.ca> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> Hi Lori, >> > >> >> > >> That would be and expression of surprise or frustration. I would not >> > >> consider it swearing. There were other choice expressions for that, >> and >> > >> not necessarily in german. >> > >> >> > >> Brigitte Zirger >> > >> >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> > >> From: Lori Straus [mailto:loristraus@loristraus.com] >> > >> Sent: March 3, 2019 11:06 AM >> > >> To: DVHH-L <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> >> > >> Subject: [DVHH] Expressions of frustration? >> > >> >> > >> Hey everyone, >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Another question for the more “experienced” Donauschwaben on the >> list :) >> > >> What expressions did you or your parents/grandparents use to express >> > >> frustration? I remember my grandparents saying something like “In >> Gottes >> > >> Himmel nei!” to express amazement or surprise. (I don’t know if I got >> > that >> > >> right—I spelled that phonetically.) But I don’t know how they >> expressed >> > >> frustration, swearing or otherwise. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Any memories out there? >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Regards, >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Lori Straus >> > >> >> > >> Writer, Editor, German-to-English Translator Technology / Performing >> > Arts >> > >> / Memoir >> > >> (519) 503-7098 >> > >> Skype: lori.straus >> > >> www.loristraus.com<http://www.loristraus.com> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Professional Writers’ Association of Canada, professional member >> > >> >> > >> Literary Translators’ Association of Canada, associate member >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >> > >> >> > >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> > >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> > >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb >> > >> is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> > >> Unsubscribe >> > >> >> > >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> > >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> > >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> > >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> > >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >> RootsWeb >> > >> community >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Syrmia Regional Coordinator >> > > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> > > Unsubscribe >> > >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >> RootsWeb >> > community >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> > Unsubscribe >> > >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> > community >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Barbara,  There are 20 pages of Retzler.  Perhaps you can narrow it down. Robert Evensen On 3/4/2019 8:31 AM, Barbara Layman wrote: > If someone has access to the Hatzfeld family book, I would appreciate a lookup for the referenced family surname. > > A scan of the pages would be most appreciated, rather than a keyed listing. > > Thanks for the assist. > > Barbara (DRESCHER) Layman > Lincoln, Nebraska > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >

Hi, I am interested in the Steinmetz Family that most likely came from the region during the 3rd migration. I do not have much information but family history and DNA seems to agree. They were Lutherans and the most common male name was Wilhelm and Karl and no village was ever mentioned. Please check to see if there was a concentration of Steinmetzs in one village or another, or if the were scattered. NO HURRY. Thanks. Karl -----Original Message----- From: Roy Engel Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2019 8:47 PM To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) Subject: [DVHH] Elsaß/Lothringen Lookups Greetings List subscribers, Since I posted my message offering lookups on the CDs titled: Familienbücher Krummes Elsaß, I have already received a few requests and am doing my best to address these as quickly as time permits. I have responded to a few people in private emails, so the rest of you haven't seen these messages. It has always been encouraged that we post the results of any such lookups to the List for everyone to see for a few reasons. First of all, if a request is posted for everyone to see and the response is done in private, it may appear that the request has not been followed up on. If we post a successful lookup for all to see, we reinforce the fact that this forum has a large number of people with extensive resources and that the process is working. This makes us feel good that we are helping others and it then encourages everyone to seek help from one other. The third reason is that by posting a lookup result, there is always the chance that a third party in our group identifies a connection with that ancestor and we end up with a fortuitous connection between List subscribers. That's an even better outcome!The lookups that I have done so far on these two CDs have unfortunately not been much help for these subscribers. The reason for this is that it is important that you know that the data contained on these CDs is not exhaustive. When Dr. Hein undertook this project quite a number of years ago, it started off as a purely personal search for ancestors. It then evolved into a broader project because apparently once he was on a roll, he couldn't stop. I am unaware of the number of villages in Elsaß/Lothringen from which all of our ancestors came from, but the data on the CDs covers just under 100. I believe that there are many more than this. Most of our ancestors that came from this region probably came from predominantly German-speaking ones, but certainly some must have come from some that had a significant French-speaking population. Those cities and villages would not be part of this database.The other thing that I want to mention is that doing lookups on these CDs is far easier if a village can be identified. I know that this is not always possible to provide. Since yesterday, I have figured out how to navigate the data using the name index, but if there are a lot of entries from numerous villages, I have to search each one individually and this takes time because it often involves switching the disks. The original data was typed onto paper pages and these have been digitized and put on the CDs in order by village, so you have to do a lot of scrolling through pages. I will do all the lookups that you send to me, but please be patient and I will be posting results to the List. I hope that I can be a help to as many people as possible.Finally, some of you are interested in purchasing copies of the CDs for yourself. A couple of points need to be identified. First of all, the website is not secure, so this is why you cannot pay for them up front with a credit card. An invoice is shipped with the CDs and the best way to pay for them is with PayPal. This worked easily for me. Secondly, the website is in German only. If you cannot follow the ordering steps in German, you will have difficulty. I offer my assistance to any who might need this. I have already done this in one case. Finally, as I mentioned yesterday, I have no affiliation with the author or the vendor of the disks and receive no remuneration from any sales. Kindest regards, Roy Engel Pickering, Ontario _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

​Thank you. What is the link to see the list of villages? Darlene Berresford Medical Office Billing Systems, Inc. 526 S. Main Street, Ste. 601c Akron, Ohio 44311 (330) 434-0787 (877) 645-8788 (330) 434-0940 fax​ On Sat, 03/02/2019 05:27 PM, Rhonda Staudt <ref58@verizon.net> wrote: > Roy could you tell me if the Friedl surname comes up in your records? My grandfather's description of where his family came from sounded like Alsace. The last name I have this family is in the Mercydorf book, but was told by family Sigismund Friedl would be the one who decided to come to Hungary with his family. > Thank you in advance for any assistance you might be able to give. > Rhonda Friedl Staudt > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy Engel <royengel@rogers.com> > To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Fri, Mar 1, 2019 8:55 pm > Subject: [DVHH] Elsaß/Alsace Family Books > > Greetings to all List subscribers, > I recently received a double CD of Elsaß/Alsace family books, which I purchased from Genealogie Shop in Germany. The research was done by Dr. Gerhard Hein. It is titled "Familienbücher Krummes Elsaß". The two CDs contain records from virtually every village in Elsaß/Alsace as well as some in Lothringen/Lorraine. The data has been transcribed into typed text and is in German (not photocopied church records). My Engel ancestry has been reported in various sources to be from the village of Lützelstein in Alsace (now called La Petite Pierre). Dr. Hein's research confirms that this is correct.I am offering my time to anyone who wishes to have any lookups done on these CDs. Here is a link to the website from which I purchased the CDs since it lists the villages that have been researched and in case anyone wishes to purchase their own copies. You will see that the price is 47.95 Euros. I received the CDs within two weeks. The invoice was included with the shipment and I paid with PayPal. I have no affiliation with the retailer or the author. > > Ahnenforschung / Genealogie-Shop - Familienb�cher Krummes Elsass > > > > | > | > | | > Ahnenforschung / Genealogie-Shop - Familienb�cher Krummes Elsass > > > | > > | > > | > > > > > Regards, > RoyPickering, Ontario > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >

If someone has access to the Hatzfeld family book, I would appreciate a lookup for the referenced family surname. A scan of the pages would be most appreciated, rather than a keyed listing. Thanks for the assist. Barbara (DRESCHER) Layman Lincoln, Nebraska

Hello Paul, Your Johann Martin Franzwa was born in Durrenbach, Alsace on July 2, 1744. The names in the church book are Francois, Fransoa, Fransua. Parents Martin Francois and Anna Maria Heim. I found him many years before and there is also an article about him and other Apatin people from that region in Donauschwäbische Forschungsblätter, in German. Here are he church books: http://archives.bas-rhin.fr/registres-paroissiaux-et-documents-d-etat-civil/ETAT-CIVIL-C110#search-results Regards Gabriela Gesendet: Montag, 04. März 2019 um 01:24 Uhr Von: "Paul Frank" <paulfrank@sasktel.net> An: "'Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)'" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Betreff: [DVHH] Re: FRANZWA - Alsace Hello Terry, thank you for this information. It pertains to Martin Franzwa and Katharina after they arrive in Apatin Hungary. I searched but found no links to Alsace. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Terry Schira [mailto:tbschira@hotmail.com] Sent: March-03-19 6:42 PM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] FRANZWA - Alsace There is a Martin Franzwa in Alsace on geneanet. You can set up a free account. Here's the link to Martin: https://gw.geneanet.org/billo59?n=franzwa&oc=&p=martin Have a good day. Terry Schira ps: for others that want to search geneanet, here is the main page link: https://en.geneanet.org/[https://en.geneanet.org/] [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-anima[https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-anima] ted-no-repeat-v1.gif]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_s[https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_s] ource=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com[http://www.avast.com]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=li[https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=li] nk&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref[http://bit.ly/rootswebpref] Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.c[https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.c] om Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY[https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY] Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9[https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9] Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog[http://rootsweb.blog] RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref[http://bit.ly/rootswebpref] Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com[https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY[https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY] Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9[https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9] Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog[http://rootsweb.blog] RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hello everyone, I'm working on why some emails are coming out in HTML. Also some emails are losing their CR/LFs (carriage returns/line feeds) so the lines run together. Looking at that too. Any useful info or suggestions, please write to me at this address dvhhemail.darlene@gmail.com Please do not respond to the list about these problems. ----------------------------------------------- Darlene Dimitrie DVHH Mailing List Administrator

If something didn't work right, my Donauschwaben Grandfather would say "Schicken Sie es dem Papst!" or in English, "Send it to the Pope!" On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 5:49 PM Roy Engel <royengel@rogers.com> wrote: > My experience with this saying is that the word for "kiss" is replaced > with the word for "lick". > Roy > On Sunday, March 3, 2019, 5:35:14 p.m. EST, Eve <evebrown@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I just remembered probably the worst saying in German they used and it is > a > common one here also - which is "kiss my (you know what)" I know how to say > it very well, but can't write it. After I married my husband who's > mother's side is Hungarian I learned they use the same expression - imagine > that :D > Eve > > On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 5:25 PM Eve <evebrown@gmail.com> wrote: > > > My understanding is that most Serbian swear words were aimed at ones > > mother. I've been told but def. not sure that Serbian and Russian are > > close as is Croatian. I only know how to count tell a little joke (which > > translates to: 1, 2, 3 your a Jacka..) which I only recently found out > the > > last word wasn't "monkey" as I had thought and how to swear with the best > > of them apparently. So I am def. not an expert. > > > > Eve > > > > On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 3:20 PM Rose Vetter <rosevetter@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Our people were very pious and God-fearing and in their anger or > >> frustration would usually invoke the help of God and the saints, such as > >> "Himmel, Herrgott, Sakrament!" (heaven, God and sacrament!). I still > >> remember an expression my grandmother used whenever she was shocked or > >> frustrated. She would raise her folded hands up in the air and cry, > >> "JesMa'ndJosef!" (a condensation of Jesus, Mary and Joseph, with a > strong > >> emphasis on the ufirst syllable, which sounded like a single word). > >> > >> Stronger expressionsì would be "D'r Teifl soll ihn hole" (Let the devil > >> get > >> him) or "Dunn'rwett'r nochamol!" (Donnerwetter = thunderstorm) nochmal. > >> Women were not known to swear, whereas men would resort to Serbian when > in > >> a rage, which could be quite crude. I still remember my father uttering > >> one > >> particular Serbian phrase, and when I asked my older sister years later > >> about the meaning, she replied, "You wouldn't want to know." > >> > >> Rose > >> > >> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 10:50 AM Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com > >> wrote: > >> > >> > I remember sayings like “Ach du Lieber” or “Verdampfte” or “Schei**e” > or > >> > “Blöde Kühe“ . For me the more crass one were in Hungarian.... which > i > >> > won’t repeat here. ;-). > >> > Please forgive my spelling errors. > >> > > >> > Rita > >> > > >> > Sent from my iPhone > >> > > >> > > On Mar 3, 2019, at 11:34 AM, Eve <evebrown@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > I heard the most when my parents played cards with my aunts and > >> uncles - > >> > it > >> > > was extremely crass swearing but in Serbian - according to my mom > >> > German's > >> > > didn't swear - LOL and usually things were said in regard to > comparing > >> > > people to animals in German. Of course, I had to get to the bottom > of > >> > what > >> > > the Serbian swearing was - my parents would just crack up laughing > >> when I > >> > > asked them what they were saying - I was very good a repeating it > >> > > correctly. About 7-8 years ago I found out. When we visited > Europe a > >> > > couple of years ago and we took a road trip to from Austria to > >> Serbia, I > >> > > noticed my cousin saying those same words during road rage moments. > >> > > > >> > > Eve > >> > > > >> > >> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 1:06 PM BZirger <BZirger@magma.ca> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi Lori, > >> > >> > >> > >> That would be and expression of surprise or frustration. I would > not > >> > >> consider it swearing. There were other choice expressions for > that, > >> and > >> > >> not necessarily in german. > >> > >> > >> > >> Brigitte Zirger > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> From: Lori Straus [mailto:loristraus@loristraus.com] > >> > >> Sent: March 3, 2019 11:06 AM > >> > >> To: DVHH-L <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > >> > >> Subject: [DVHH] Expressions of frustration? > >> > >> > >> > >> Hey everyone, > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Another question for the more “experienced” Donauschwaben on the > >> list :) > >> > >> What expressions did you or your parents/grandparents use to > express > >> > >> frustration? I remember my grandparents saying something like “In > >> Gottes > >> > >> Himmel nei!” to express amazement or surprise. (I don’t know if I > got > >> > that > >> > >> right—I spelled that phonetically.) But I don’t know how they > >> expressed > >> > >> frustration, swearing or otherwise. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Any memories out there? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Lori Straus > >> > >> > >> > >> Writer, Editor, German-to-English Translator Technology / > Performing > >> > Arts > >> > >> / Memoir > >> > >> (519) 503-7098 > >> > >> Skype: lori.straus > >> > >> www.loristraus.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Professional Writers’ Association of Canada, professional member > >> > >> > >> > >> Literary Translators’ Association of Canada, associate member > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > >> > >> > >> > > >> > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > >> > >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and > Conditions: > >> > >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > >> RootsWeb > >> > >> is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > >> community > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > >> > >> Unsubscribe > >> > >> > >> > > >> > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > >> > >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and > Conditions: > >> > >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > >> > >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > >> > >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > >> RootsWeb > >> > >> community > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > >> > > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > >> > > Unsubscribe > >> > > >> > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > >> > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and > Conditions: > >> > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > >> > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > >> > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > >> RootsWeb > >> > community > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > >> > Unsubscribe > >> > > >> > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > >> > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > >> > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > >> > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > >> > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb > >> > community > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > >> Unsubscribe > >> > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > >> community > >> > > > > > > -- > > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

I originally sent this email to Lori Straus I didn’t know if these expressions would be offensive to anyone, so I sent them privately. This was the way we were (swore). Our ancestors did swear, the men more so than the women. Some were quite colourful. Verdammt, nochamol, du A...loch, Rindviech, blödi Kuh, du Aff, du Mooskuh, . kannsch mich am A.. lecka, kriegsch sauri Hundsfotza’. If someone was lazy and slept late, ‘dir scheint schun die Sunn in A....’ Der hot alli Heilichi vum himmel gflucht. The men often swore in Croatian or Hungarian. I haven’t been able to translate the Hungarian, but I’m sure it must have been quite crude. The Croatian equivalent of the F. word was used referring to the person they were mad at or their family members or friends. This often caused fights and even stabbings at dances. When my older daughter was about three or four, she broke a large branch off my mother-in law’s lilac bush. When I came home from work they told me about it and Oma was quite annoyed. So I said to Marianne, ‘andri Leit wera Bluma hen un mir wera nix hen.’ ( other people will have flowers and we will have nothing.’) She answered, ‘die Oma hot gsagt mir wera a was hen, mir wera a Schaass (fart) hen’. (Oma told me we’ll have something too, we’ll have a fart’) When we came to Austria in 1944 we lived on a farm. My father, who could swear a blue streak was appalled at their curses. They would invoke the Sacraments, crucifix and all that is holy in their swearing. He said that was very sinful. Anne Dreer

Thanks again for your  help.PetraSent from Samsung tablet. -------- Original message --------From: Andrea & Dan Walter <ajwdcw@windstream.net> Date: 4/3/19 1:14 pm (GMT+10:00) To: "'Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)'" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DVHH] Re: Elsaß/Alsace Family Books Mattern I can't say for sure, but probably. I forwarded what is in the book and I'm not familiar with that region and the town names. The author's email is Charles.amann@sfr.fr, so he would be able to clarify that.Dan-----Original Message-----From: petra.leschinkohl [mailto:petra.leschinkohl@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2019 8:18 PMTo: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)Subject: [DVHH] Re: Elsaß/Alsace Family Books MatternDan Walter, Thank you very much!To clarify this information, the child Catherine,  was born in Lorraine? Best wishesPetraSent from Samsung tablet.-------- Original message --------From: Andrea & Dan Walter <ajwdcw@windstream.net> Date: 4/3/19  11:22 am  (GMT+10:00) To: "'Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)'" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DVHH] Re: Elsaß/Alsace Family Books Mattern I have a Francois MATTERN in my Loraine book, with an unidentified wife, buta child Catharine, married to Jean-Claude SAUTREL in 1769.Dan Walter-----Original Message-----From: petra.leschinkohl [mailto:petra.leschinkohl@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2019 7:01 PMTo: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)Subject: [DVHH] Re: Elsaß/Alsace Family Books MatternHello,Looking for any Mattern relatives, last known to be in Lothringen,Abbey de JustemontThank youPetraSent from Samsung tablet.null_______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribehttps://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.comPrivacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions:https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blogRootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWebcommunity_______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.comPrivacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blogRootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community_______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.comPrivacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blogRootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community_______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.comPrivacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blogRootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I can't say for sure, but probably. I forwarded what is in the book and I'm not familiar with that region and the town names. The author's email is Charles.amann@sfr.fr, so he would be able to clarify that. Dan -----Original Message----- From: petra.leschinkohl [mailto:petra.leschinkohl@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2019 8:18 PM To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) Subject: [DVHH] Re: Elsaß/Alsace Family Books Mattern Dan Walter, Thank you very much!To clarify this information, the child Catherine, was born in Lorraine? Best wishesPetraSent from Samsung tablet. -------- Original message --------From: Andrea & Dan Walter <ajwdcw@windstream.net> Date: 4/3/19 11:22 am (GMT+10:00) To: "'Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)'" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DVHH] Re: Elsaß/Alsace Family Books Mattern I have a Francois MATTERN in my Loraine book, with an unidentified wife, buta child Catharine, married to Jean-Claude SAUTREL in 1769.Dan Walter-----Original Message-----From: petra.leschinkohl [mailto:petra.leschinkohl@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2019 7:01 PMTo: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)Subject: [DVHH] Re: Elsaß/Alsace Family Books MatternHello,Looking for any Mattern relatives, last known to be in Lothringen,Abbey de JustemontThank youPetraSent from Samsung tablet.null_______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribehttps://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.comPrivacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions:https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blogRootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWebcommunity_______________________________________________Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebprefUnsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.comPrivacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blogRootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

My experience with this saying is that the word for "kiss" is replaced with the word for "lick". Roy On Sunday, March 3, 2019, 5:35:14 p.m. EST, Eve <evebrown@gmail.com> wrote: I just remembered probably the worst saying in German they used and it is a common one here also - which is "kiss my (you know what)" I know how to say it very well, but can't write it.  After I married my husband who's mother's side is Hungarian I learned they use the same expression - imagine that :D Eve On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 5:25 PM Eve <evebrown@gmail.com> wrote: > My understanding is that most Serbian swear words were aimed at ones > mother.  I've been told but def. not sure that Serbian and Russian are > close as is Croatian.  I only know how to count tell a little joke (which > translates to: 1, 2, 3 your a Jacka..) which I only recently found out the > last word wasn't "monkey" as I had thought and how to swear with the best > of them apparently.  So I am def. not an expert. > > Eve > > On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 3:20 PM Rose Vetter <rosevetter@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Our people were very pious and God-fearing and in their anger or >> frustration would usually invoke the help of God and the saints, such as >> "Himmel, Herrgott, Sakrament!" (heaven, God and sacrament!). I still >> remember an expression my grandmother used whenever she was shocked or >> frustrated. She would raise her folded hands up in the air and cry, >> "JesMa'ndJosef!" (a condensation of Jesus, Mary and Joseph, with a strong >> emphasis on the ufirst syllable, which sounded like a single word). >> >> Stronger expressionsì would be "D'r Teifl soll ihn hole" (Let the devil >> get >> him) or "Dunn'rwett'r nochamol!" (Donnerwetter = thunderstorm) nochmal. >> Women were not known to swear, whereas men would resort to Serbian when in >> a rage, which could be quite crude. I still remember my father uttering >> one >> particular Serbian phrase, and when I asked my older sister years later >> about the meaning, she replied, "You wouldn't want to know." >> >> Rose >> >> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 10:50 AM Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com >> wrote: >> >> > I remember sayings like “Ach du Lieber” or “Verdampfte” or “Schei**e” or >> > “Blöde Kühe“ .  For me the more crass one were in Hungarian.... which i >> > won’t repeat here.  ;-). >> > Please forgive my spelling errors. >> > >> > Rita >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > > On Mar 3, 2019, at 11:34 AM, Eve <evebrown@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > >> > > I heard the most when my parents played cards with my aunts and >> uncles - >> > it >> > > was extremely crass swearing but in Serbian - according to my mom >> > German's >> > > didn't swear - LOL and usually things were said in regard to comparing >> > > people to animals in German.  Of course, I had to get to the bottom of >> > what >> > > the Serbian swearing was - my parents would just crack up laughing >> when I >> > > asked them what they were saying - I was very good a repeating it >> > > correctly.  About 7-8 years ago I found out.  When we visited Europe a >> > > couple of years ago and we took a road trip to from Austria to >> Serbia, I >> > > noticed my cousin saying those same words during road rage moments. >> > > >> > > Eve >> > > >> > >> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 1:06 PM BZirger <BZirger@magma.ca> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> Hi Lori, >> > >> >> > >> That would be and expression of surprise or frustration. I would not >> > >> consider it swearing.  There were other choice expressions for that, >> and >> > >> not necessarily in german. >> > >> >> > >> Brigitte Zirger >> > >> >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> > >> From: Lori Straus [mailto:loristraus@loristraus.com] >> > >> Sent: March 3, 2019 11:06 AM >> > >> To: DVHH-L <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> >> > >> Subject: [DVHH] Expressions of frustration? >> > >> >> > >> Hey everyone, >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Another question for the more “experienced” Donauschwaben on the >> list :) >> > >> What expressions did you or your parents/grandparents use to express >> > >> frustration? I remember my grandparents saying something like “In >> Gottes >> > >> Himmel nei!” to express amazement or surprise. (I don’t know if I got >> > that >> > >> right—I spelled that phonetically.) But I don’t know how they >> expressed >> > >> frustration, swearing or otherwise. >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Any memories out there? >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Regards, >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Lori Straus >> > >> >> > >> Writer, Editor, German-to-English Translator Technology / Performing >> > Arts >> > >> / Memoir >> > >> (519) 503-7098 >> > >> Skype: lori.straus >> > >> www.loristraus.com >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Professional Writers’ Association of Canada, professional member >> > >> >> > >> Literary Translators’ Association of Canada, associate member >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >> > >> >> > >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> > >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> > >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb >> > >> is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> > >> Unsubscribe >> > >> >> > >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> > >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> > >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> > >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> > >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >> RootsWeb >> > >> community >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Syrmia Regional Coordinator >> > > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> > > Unsubscribe >> > >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >> RootsWeb >> > community >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> > Unsubscribe >> > >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> > community >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Greetings List subscribers, Since I posted my message offering lookups on the CDs titled: Familienbücher Krummes Elsaß, I have already received a few requests and am doing my best to address these as quickly as time permits.  I have responded to a few people in private emails, so the rest of you haven't seen these messages.  It has always been encouraged that we post the results of any such lookups to the List for everyone to see for a few reasons.  First of all, if a request is posted for everyone to see and the response is done in private, it may appear that the request has not been followed up on.  If we post a successful lookup for all to see, we reinforce the fact that this forum has a large number of people with extensive resources and that the process is working.  This makes us feel good that we are helping others and it then encourages everyone to seek help from one other.  The third reason is that by posting a lookup result, there is always the chance that a third party in our group identifies a connection with that ancestor and we end up with a fortuitous connection between List subscribers.  That's an even better outcome!The lookups that I have done so far on these two CDs have unfortunately not been much help for these subscribers.  The reason for this is that it is important that you know that the data contained on these CDs is not exhaustive.  When Dr. Hein undertook this project quite a number of years ago, it started off as a purely personal search for ancestors.  It then evolved into a broader project because apparently once he was on a roll, he couldn't stop.  I am unaware of the number of villages in Elsaß/Lothringen from which all of our ancestors came from, but the data on the CDs covers just under 100.  I believe that there are many more than this.  Most of our ancestors that came from this region probably came from predominantly German-speaking ones, but certainly some must have come from some that had a significant French-speaking population.  Those cities and villages would not be part of this database.The other thing that I want to mention is that doing lookups on these CDs is far easier if a village can be identified.  I know that this is not always possible to provide.  Since yesterday, I have figured out how to navigate the data using the name index, but if there are a lot of entries from numerous villages, I have to search each one individually and this takes time because it often involves switching the disks.  The original data was typed onto paper pages and these have been digitized and put on the CDs in order by village, so you have to do a lot of scrolling through pages.  I will do all the lookups that you send to me, but please be patient and I will be posting results to the List.  I hope that I can be a help to as many people as possible.Finally, some of you are interested in purchasing copies of the CDs for yourself.  A couple of points need to be identified.  First of all, the website is not secure, so this is why you cannot pay for them up front with a credit card.  An invoice is shipped with the CDs and the best way to pay for them is with PayPal.  This worked easily for me.  Secondly, the website is in German only.  If you cannot follow the ordering steps in German, you will have difficulty.  I offer my assistance to any who might need this.  I have already done this in one case.  Finally, as I mentioned yesterday, I have no affiliation with the author or the vendor of the disks and receive no remuneration from any sales. Kindest regards, Roy Engel Pickering, Ontario

Also golly gee whiz bless my stars and garters On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 7:32 PM Paul Thompson <patjahsd@gmail.com> wrote: > There's lots of English euphemistical swear substitutes. > > Go jump in a lake > You can kiss my fritz/shorts/johnson/adz/keester/beanpole/coalshute > Dang rabbit > Gosh darnit > Gebus > Well I'll be dangrabbit > Gebus son of mary > Jumping jehosephat > > Any expressions like that? > > > On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 7:27 PM Paul Thompson <patjahsd@gmail.com> wrote: > >> They don't have to read the emails. >> >> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 7:26 PM Eve <evebrown@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Yes, they are just words, but some people prefer not to hear or see them, >>> so just trying to be considerate of those that feel that way. I'm not >>> easily offended, but I'm not everyone. >>> >>> >>> Eve >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 8:24 PM Paul Thompson <patjahsd@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > FOLKS, PLEASE, WRITE THE WORDS. This is to help our friend with actual >>> > insults. I can write "kiss my ass" and my keyboard does not smoke and >>> burn. >>> > I can say "fuck your mother in the ass" and again, it's just words. >>> > >>> > Paul A. Thompson >>> > >>> > On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 7:21 PM Paul Thompson <patjahsd@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > > Oh, come on, Roy - tell the truth. We're all adults here. We can talk >>> > > about "fuck" and "shit" and "vagina". This is about the correct >>> words. >>> > > >>> > > There are a ton of you-tube videos about swear words. >>> > > >>> > > On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 4:27 PM Roy Engel <royengel@rogers.com> >>> wrote: >>> > > >>> > >> Hi Lori, >>> > >> I was born in Canada, but grew up not only with my father, who was >>> 18 >>> > >> years old when he arrived in Canada in 1952, but also with his >>> parents >>> > and >>> > >> his grandmother. This is why I can speak the Schwowisch dialect. I >>> > also >>> > >> grew up hearing many expletives. Many of these came from my >>> > >> great-grandmother. The one that she reserved for the highest level >>> of >>> > >> anger or frustration turns out to be a Serbian word that I only >>> learned >>> > the >>> > >> meaning of in recent years because a Serbian radiologist joined our >>> > >> hospital. It would be inappropriate for me to write the meaning of >>> the >>> > >> word in English, but suffice to say that the English word is a four >>> > letter >>> > >> word and it does not begin with "s". If I ever raised my voice to >>> her >>> > she >>> > >> would say to me "Um ein Ton tiefer" (one level of volume lower). >>> Anger >>> > >> usually elicited "Kruzifix". The meaning is what you think it is. >>> It's >>> > >> funny that as a young child, I never made the connection to the >>> meaning >>> > of >>> > >> the word - I just knew that it meant that she was angry at me. My >>> last >>> > >> recollection is one that my grandparents often used when they were >>> > >> disagreeing with each other and one of them wanted to end the >>> > discussion. >>> > >> You must know that my father's family was Lutheran. The closing >>> > comment to >>> > >> end the argument was "Ach, mach mich doch net katholisch" (don't >>> drive >>> > me >>> > >> to Catholicism). I intend no offence to any List subscribers, but >>> you >>> > must >>> > >> understand that my father's village of Kischker was entirely >>> Lutheran. >>> > >> Best regards, >>> > >> Roy >>> > >> Pickering, Ontario >>> > >> On Sunday, March 3, 2019, 3:20:27 p.m. EST, Rose Vetter < >>> > >> rosevetter@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >> >>> > >> Our people were very pious and God-fearing and in their anger or >>> > >> frustration would usually invoke the help of God and the saints, >>> such as >>> > >> "Himmel, Herrgott, Sakrament!" (heaven, God and sacrament!). I still >>> > >> remember an expression my grandmother used whenever she was shocked >>> or >>> > >> frustrated. She would raise her folded hands up in the air and cry, >>> > >> "JesMa'ndJosef!" (a condensation of Jesus, Mary and Joseph, with a >>> > strong >>> > >> emphasis on the ufirst syllable, which sounded like a single word). >>> > >> >>> > >> Stronger expressionsì would be "D'r Teifl soll ihn hole" (Let the >>> devil >>> > >> get >>> > >> him) or "Dunn'rwett'r nochamol!" (Donnerwetter = thunderstorm) >>> nochmal. >>> > >> Women were not known to swear, whereas men would resort to Serbian >>> when >>> > in >>> > >> a rage, which could be quite crude. I still remember my father >>> uttering >>> > >> one >>> > >> particular Serbian phrase, and when I asked my older sister years >>> later >>> > >> about the meaning, she replied, "You wouldn't want to know." >>> > >> >>> > >> Rose >>> > >> >>> > >> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 10:50 AM Rita Schiwanowitsch < >>> schiwanore@msn.com >>> > >> wrote: >>> > >> >>> > >> > I remember sayings like “Ach du Lieber” or “Verdampfte” or >>> “Schei**e” >>> > or >>> > >> > “Blöde Kühe“ . For me the more crass one were in Hungarian.... >>> which >>> > i >>> > >> > won’t repeat here. ;-). >>> > >> > Please forgive my spelling errors. >>> > >> > >>> > >> > Rita >>> > >> > >>> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >>> > >> > >>> > >> > > On Mar 3, 2019, at 11:34 AM, Eve <evebrown@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > I heard the most when my parents played cards with my aunts and >>> > >> uncles - >>> > >> > it >>> > >> > > was extremely crass swearing but in Serbian - according to my >>> mom >>> > >> > German's >>> > >> > > didn't swear - LOL and usually things were said in regard to >>> > comparing >>> > >> > > people to animals in German. Of course, I had to get to the >>> bottom >>> > of >>> > >> > what >>> > >> > > the Serbian swearing was - my parents would just crack up >>> laughing >>> > >> when I >>> > >> > > asked them what they were saying - I was very good a repeating >>> it >>> > >> > > correctly. About 7-8 years ago I found out. When we visited >>> > Europe a >>> > >> > > couple of years ago and we took a road trip to from Austria to >>> > >> Serbia, I >>> > >> > > noticed my cousin saying those same words during road rage >>> moments. >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > Eve >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > >> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 1:06 PM BZirger <BZirger@magma.ca> >>> wrote: >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> Hi Lori, >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> That would be and expression of surprise or frustration. I >>> would >>> > not >>> > >> > >> consider it swearing. There were other choice expressions for >>> > that, >>> > >> and >>> > >> > >> not necessarily in german. >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> Brigitte Zirger >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- >>> > >> > >> From: Lori Straus [mailto:loristraus@loristraus.com] >>> > >> > >> Sent: March 3, 2019 11:06 AM >>> > >> > >> To: DVHH-L <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> >>> > >> > >> Subject: [DVHH] Expressions of frustration? >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> Hey everyone, >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> Another question for the more “experienced” Donauschwaben on >>> the >>> > >> list :) >>> > >> > >> What expressions did you or your parents/grandparents use to >>> > express >>> > >> > >> frustration? I remember my grandparents saying something like >>> “In >>> > >> Gottes >>> > >> > >> Himmel nei!” to express amazement or surprise. (I don’t know >>> if I >>> > got >>> > >> > that >>> > >> > >> right—I spelled that phonetically.) But I don’t know how they >>> > >> expressed >>> > >> > >> frustration, swearing or otherwise. >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> Any memories out there? >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> Regards, >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> Lori Straus >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> Writer, Editor, German-to-English Translator Technology / >>> > Performing >>> > >> > Arts >>> > >> > >> / Memoir >>> > >> > >> (519) 503-7098 >>> > >> > >> Skype: lori.straus >>> > >> > >> www.loristraus.com >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> Professional Writers’ Association of Canada, professional >>> member >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> Literary Translators’ Association of Canada, associate member >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >>> > >> > >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >>> > >> >>> > >>> 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There's lots of English euphemistical swear substitutes. Go jump in a lake You can kiss my fritz/shorts/johnson/adz/keester/beanpole/coalshute Dang rabbit Gosh darnit Gebus Well I'll be dangrabbit Gebus son of mary Jumping jehosephat Any expressions like that? On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 7:27 PM Paul Thompson <patjahsd@gmail.com> wrote: > They don't have to read the emails. > > On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 7:26 PM Eve <evebrown@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Yes, they are just words, but some people prefer not to hear or see them, >> so just trying to be considerate of those that feel that way. I'm not >> easily offended, but I'm not everyone. >> >> >> Eve >> >> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 8:24 PM Paul Thompson <patjahsd@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > FOLKS, PLEASE, WRITE THE WORDS. This is to help our friend with actual >> > insults. I can write "kiss my ass" and my keyboard does not smoke and >> burn. >> > I can say "fuck your mother in the ass" and again, it's just words. >> > >> > Paul A. Thompson >> > >> > On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 7:21 PM Paul Thompson <patjahsd@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > > Oh, come on, Roy - tell the truth. We're all adults here. We can talk >> > > about "fuck" and "shit" and "vagina". This is about the correct words. >> > > >> > > There are a ton of you-tube videos about swear words. >> > > >> > > On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 4:27 PM Roy Engel <royengel@rogers.com> wrote: >> > > >> > >> Hi Lori, >> > >> I was born in Canada, but grew up not only with my father, who was 18 >> > >> years old when he arrived in Canada in 1952, but also with his >> parents >> > and >> > >> his grandmother. This is why I can speak the Schwowisch dialect. I >> > also >> > >> grew up hearing many expletives. Many of these came from my >> > >> great-grandmother. The one that she reserved for the highest level >> of >> > >> anger or frustration turns out to be a Serbian word that I only >> learned >> > the >> > >> meaning of in recent years because a Serbian radiologist joined our >> > >> hospital. It would be inappropriate for me to write the meaning of >> the >> > >> word in English, but suffice to say that the English word is a four >> > letter >> > >> word and it does not begin with "s". If I ever raised my voice to >> her >> > she >> > >> would say to me "Um ein Ton tiefer" (one level of volume lower). >> Anger >> > >> usually elicited "Kruzifix". The meaning is what you think it is. >> It's >> > >> funny that as a young child, I never made the connection to the >> meaning >> > of >> > >> the word - I just knew that it meant that she was angry at me. My >> last >> > >> recollection is one that my grandparents often used when they were >> > >> disagreeing with each other and one of them wanted to end the >> > discussion. >> > >> You must know that my father's family was Lutheran. The closing >> > comment to >> > >> end the argument was "Ach, mach mich doch net katholisch" (don't >> drive >> > me >> > >> to Catholicism). I intend no offence to any List subscribers, but >> you >> > must >> > >> understand that my father's village of Kischker was entirely >> Lutheran. >> > >> Best regards, >> > >> Roy >> > >> Pickering, Ontario >> > >> On Sunday, March 3, 2019, 3:20:27 p.m. EST, Rose Vetter < >> > >> rosevetter@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> Our people were very pious and God-fearing and in their anger or >> > >> frustration would usually invoke the help of God and the saints, >> such as >> > >> "Himmel, Herrgott, Sakrament!" (heaven, God and sacrament!). I still >> > >> remember an expression my grandmother used whenever she was shocked >> or >> > >> frustrated. She would raise her folded hands up in the air and cry, >> > >> "JesMa'ndJosef!" (a condensation of Jesus, Mary and Joseph, with a >> > strong >> > >> emphasis on the ufirst syllable, which sounded like a single word). >> > >> >> > >> Stronger expressionsì would be "D'r Teifl soll ihn hole" (Let the >> devil >> > >> get >> > >> him) or "Dunn'rwett'r nochamol!" (Donnerwetter = thunderstorm) >> nochmal. >> > >> Women were not known to swear, whereas men would resort to Serbian >> when >> > in >> > >> a rage, which could be quite crude. I still remember my father >> uttering >> > >> one >> > >> particular Serbian phrase, and when I asked my older sister years >> later >> > >> about the meaning, she replied, "You wouldn't want to know." >> > >> >> > >> Rose >> > >> >> > >> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 10:50 AM Rita Schiwanowitsch < >> schiwanore@msn.com >> > >> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> > I remember sayings like “Ach du Lieber” or “Verdampfte” or >> “Schei**e” >> > or >> > >> > “Blöde Kühe“ . For me the more crass one were in Hungarian.... >> which >> > i >> > >> > won’t repeat here. ;-). >> > >> > Please forgive my spelling errors. >> > >> > >> > >> > Rita >> > >> > >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > >> > >> > > On Mar 3, 2019, at 11:34 AM, Eve <evebrown@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > >> > > I heard the most when my parents played cards with my aunts and >> > >> uncles - >> > >> > it >> > >> > > was extremely crass swearing but in Serbian - according to my mom >> > >> > German's >> > >> > > didn't swear - LOL and usually things were said in regard to >> > comparing >> > >> > > people to animals in German. Of course, I had to get to the >> bottom >> > of >> > >> > what >> > >> > > the Serbian swearing was - my parents would just crack up >> laughing >> > >> when I >> > >> > > asked them what they were saying - I was very good a repeating it >> > >> > > correctly. About 7-8 years ago I found out. When we visited >> > Europe a >> > >> > > couple of years ago and we took a road trip to from Austria to >> > >> Serbia, I >> > >> > > noticed my cousin saying those same words during road rage >> moments. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Eve >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 1:06 PM BZirger <BZirger@magma.ca> >> wrote: >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> Hi Lori, >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> That would be and expression of surprise or frustration. I would >> > not >> > >> > >> consider it swearing. There were other choice expressions for >> > that, >> > >> and >> > >> > >> not necessarily in german. >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> Brigitte Zirger >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> > >> > >> From: Lori Straus [mailto:loristraus@loristraus.com] >> > >> > >> Sent: March 3, 2019 11:06 AM >> > >> > >> To: DVHH-L <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> >> > >> > >> Subject: [DVHH] Expressions of frustration? >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> Hey everyone, >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> Another question for the more “experienced” Donauschwaben on the >> > >> list :) >> > >> > >> What expressions did you or your parents/grandparents use to >> > express >> > >> > >> frustration? I remember my grandparents saying something like >> “In >> > >> Gottes >> > >> > >> Himmel nei!” to express amazement or surprise. (I don’t know if >> I >> > got >> > >> > that >> > >> > >> right—I spelled that phonetically.) But I don’t know how they >> > >> expressed >> > >> > >> frustration, swearing or otherwise. >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> Any memories out there? >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> Regards, >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> Lori Straus >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> Writer, Editor, German-to-English Translator Technology / >> > Performing >> > >> > Arts >> > >> > >> / Memoir >> > >> > >> (519) 503-7098 >> > >> > >> Skype: lori.straus >> > >> > >> www.loristraus.com >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> Professional Writers’ Association of Canada, professional member >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> Literary Translators’ Association of Canada, associate member >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> > >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> 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