I travel a couple of times a year to a giant flea market in Indiana (Shipshewanna). A few times we have done the family style dinners hosted at Amish homes. You ride in the buggy with the Amish driver and you can talk with them quite openly. At the table one time our Amish driver was seated across from me and I told him that his dialect reminded me of my parents dialect and he asked where they were from. When I told him he immediately piped up - ah de Schwowisch. I was really surprised and he seemed to be quite well versed in the history of the DS. I had always been surprised how well I could understand them when talking in the flea market with each other. I tend to not do so well with "Reichdeutsch" Eve On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com>wrote: > Hi Lotte, > I was watching a show on television about the Penn Dutch people one day. > They would occasionally film the people in the sho speaking their > language. Yes, I agree it is similar to Schwowisch. Although I did not > understand every word they said, I could understand enough to get the gist > of what they were saying. My mother, who was born near Belgrade, has > always wanted to visit these people. She has read that they live the way > her people did. One day I hope to fulfill her wish. > Rita > > > Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 08:37:15 -0400 > > From: suervl@roadrunner.com > > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com; lielo816@aol.com > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Pennsylvania Dutch and Donauschwaben > > > > Lotte- > > > > I don't think you're off your rocker. There were thousands of Palantines > who came to Philadelphia in the early-mid 1700's. One of them was my > husband's 5th great grandfather -Jacob Enckisch - somewhere along the line > his name was Anglo-sized to Anguish. He along with many other Palantine > families, later settled in New York's Mohawk Valley. > > > > Sue > > > > ---- Lotte Devlin <lielo816@aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > All, > > > I grew up in the Philadelphia area, so often saw/heard Pennsylvania > Dutch folks who had come to Philly for different reasons. It always struck > me that Penn Deitsch had many similarities to Schwowisch. > > > > > > I thought that I had read somewhere that the PD immigrated to America > about the same time our DS ancestors traveled south to colonize the > frontier. Anyone else ever hear that? > > > > > > I found this interesting link to the PD newspaper, which is still > operational today. Its name "HIEWWE WIE DRIWWE" means "over here as over > there." Those who can read Schwowisch might find this interesting, too. > While I'm sure the PD language developed on its own once it was > transported to USA, one can definitely see some similarities to Schwowisch. > Whatya think? > > > > > > You won't hurt my feelings if you think I'm off my rocker! Enjoy! > > > > > > Lotte > > > > > > http://hiwwewiedriwwe.wordpress.com/ > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

Lotte- I don't think you're off your rocker. There were thousands of Palantines who came to Philadelphia in the early-mid 1700's. One of them was my husband's 5th great grandfather -Jacob Enckisch - somewhere along the line his name was Anglo-sized to Anguish. He along with many other Palantine families, later settled in New York's Mohawk Valley. Sue ---- Lotte Devlin <lielo816@aol.com> wrote: > > All, > I grew up in the Philadelphia area, so often saw/heard Pennsylvania Dutch folks who had come to Philly for different reasons. It always struck me that Penn Deitsch had many similarities to Schwowisch. > > I thought that I had read somewhere that the PD immigrated to America about the same time our DS ancestors traveled south to colonize the frontier. Anyone else ever hear that? > > I found this interesting link to the PD newspaper, which is still operational today. Its name "HIEWWE WIE DRIWWE" means "over here as over there." Those who can read Schwowisch might find this interesting, too. While I'm sure the PD language developed on its own once it was transported to USA, one can definitely see some similarities to Schwowisch. Whatya think? > > You won't hurt my feelings if you think I'm off my rocker! Enjoy! > > Lotte > > http://hiwwewiedriwwe.wordpress.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lotte, I was watching a show on television about the Penn Dutch people one day. They would occasionally film the people in the sho speaking their language. Yes, I agree it is similar to Schwowisch. Although I did not understand every word they said, I could understand enough to get the gist of what they were saying. My mother, who was born near Belgrade, has always wanted to visit these people. She has read that they live the way her people did. One day I hope to fulfill her wish. Rita > Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 08:37:15 -0400 > From: suervl@roadrunner.com > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com; lielo816@aol.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Pennsylvania Dutch and Donauschwaben > > Lotte- > > I don't think you're off your rocker. There were thousands of Palantines who came to Philadelphia in the early-mid 1700's. One of them was my husband's 5th great grandfather -Jacob Enckisch - somewhere along the line his name was Anglo-sized to Anguish. He along with many other Palantine families, later settled in New York's Mohawk Valley. > > Sue > > ---- Lotte Devlin <lielo816@aol.com> wrote: > > > > All, > > I grew up in the Philadelphia area, so often saw/heard Pennsylvania Dutch folks who had come to Philly for different reasons. It always struck me that Penn Deitsch had many similarities to Schwowisch. > > > > I thought that I had read somewhere that the PD immigrated to America about the same time our DS ancestors traveled south to colonize the frontier. Anyone else ever hear that? > > > > I found this interesting link to the PD newspaper, which is still operational today. Its name "HIEWWE WIE DRIWWE" means "over here as over there." Those who can read Schwowisch might find this interesting, too. While I'm sure the PD language developed on its own once it was transported to USA, one can definitely see some similarities to Schwowisch. Whatya think? > > > > You won't hurt my feelings if you think I'm off my rocker! Enjoy! > > > > Lotte > > > > http://hiwwewiedriwwe.wordpress.com/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All, I grew up in the Philadelphia area, so often saw/heard Pennsylvania Dutch folks who had come to Philly for different reasons. It always struck me that Penn Deitsch had many similarities to Schwowisch. I thought that I had read somewhere that the PD immigrated to America about the same time our DS ancestors traveled south to colonize the frontier. Anyone else ever hear that? I found this interesting link to the PD newspaper, which is still operational today. Its name "HIEWWE WIE DRIWWE" means "over here as over there." Those who can read Schwowisch might find this interesting, too. While I'm sure the PD language developed on its own once it was transported to USA, one can definitely see some similarities to Schwowisch. Whatya think? You won't hurt my feelings if you think I'm off my rocker! Enjoy! Lotte http://hiwwewiedriwwe.wordpress.com/

Rita If you don't mind see if you have an Adam Dietrich who was born in 1901. His parents were Adam and Theresa Dietrich. Larry _____ From: Rita Schiwanowitsch [mailto:schiwanore@msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 6:30 PM To: Larry & Shelly Hale Cc: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [DVHH] Homolitz (Omoljica) Hi Larry, There are lots of Dietrich's and Dittrich on that database for the area. Is there anyone specific you are looking for? Rita > From: lshr@charter.net > To: schiwanore@msn.com; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [DVHH] Homolitz (Omoljica) > Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 16:57:32 -0500 > > Rita > > Are there any Dietrich's listed as residing in Homolitz? > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rita > Schiwanowitsch > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 3:32 PM > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Homolitz (Omoljica) > > Hi Eve, > > > > On MyHeritage.com, the family tree Familienseite administered by Mr. Hohl > and Mr Putsch has many people named Retz from Homolitz. Some with fairly > current information and photos. If you don't have access, let me know, I > can look them up for you. > > > > Rita > > > > > > From: dvhhadmin.eve@gmail.com > > Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 15:36:05 -0400 > > To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [DVHH] Homolitz (Omoljica) > > > > I have been contacted once again by a person with family living in a > former > > DS home in the village of Homolitz (Omoljica). She knows the family name > > was RETZ - if anyone on the list has a connection with this village or > name > > please let me know. > > > > - > > DVHH mail list co-administrator > > > > Eve Brown > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Here is a link http://www.banaterheide.de/fambuch/perjamosch/perj_a_f/FB-A1.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: aztec2564@verizon.net To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 5:08:12 PM Subject: [DVHH] Perjamosch-Periam Romania Family Book Hello fellow DVH... I am looking for a Familien Buch for Perjamosch-Periam Romania.... Thanks..... Joe Hutflus New Jersey, (USA) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Rita, I think I will send her that information - maybe she will want to register or send them a request. Eve On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com>wrote: > Hi Eve, > > > > On MyHeritage.com, the family tree Familienseite administered by Mr. Hohl > and Mr Putsch has many people named Retz from Homolitz. Some with fairly > current information and photos. If you don't have access, let me know, I > can look them up for you. > > > > Rita > > > > > > From: dvhhadmin.eve@gmail.com > > Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 15:36:05 -0400 > > To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [DVHH] Homolitz (Omoljica) > > > > I have been contacted once again by a person with family living in a > former > > DS home in the village of Homolitz (Omoljica). She knows the family name > > was RETZ - if anyone on the list has a connection with this village or > name > > please let me know. > > > > - > > DVHH mail list co-administrator > > > > Eve Brown > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

alt sp. Ritz Reutz, Ruetz ----- Original Message ----- From: "DVHH-L Administrator" <dvhhadmin.eve@gmail.com> To: <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 3:36 PM Subject: [DVHH] Homolitz (Omoljica) >I have been contacted once again by a person with family living in a former > DS home in the village of Homolitz (Omoljica). She knows the family name > was RETZ - if anyone on the list has a connection with this village or > name > please let me know. > > - > DVHH mail list co-administrator > > Eve Brown > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hello fellow DVH... I am looking for a Familien Buch for Perjamosch-Periam Romania.... Thanks..... Joe Hutflus New Jersey, (USA)

Hi Larry, There are lots of Dietrich's and Dittrich on that database for the area. Is there anyone specific you are looking for? Rita > From: lshr@charter.net > To: schiwanore@msn.com; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [DVHH] Homolitz (Omoljica) > Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 16:57:32 -0500 > > Rita > > Are there any Dietrich's listed as residing in Homolitz? > > Larry > > -----Original Message----- > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rita > Schiwanowitsch > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 3:32 PM > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Homolitz (Omoljica) > > Hi Eve, > > > > On MyHeritage.com, the family tree Familienseite administered by Mr. Hohl > and Mr Putsch has many people named Retz from Homolitz. Some with fairly > current information and photos. If you don't have access, let me know, I > can look them up for you. > > > > Rita > > > > > > From: dvhhadmin.eve@gmail.com > > Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 15:36:05 -0400 > > To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [DVHH] Homolitz (Omoljica) > > > > I have been contacted once again by a person with family living in a > former > > DS home in the village of Homolitz (Omoljica). She knows the family name > > was RETZ - if anyone on the list has a connection with this village or > name > > please let me know. > > > > - > > DVHH mail list co-administrator > > > > Eve Brown > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Robert, These are the closest I can find: 13114 WEBER, Franz * um. .1840 8 GROSZ, Katharina * um. .1841 Kind(er) a) Katharina * 08.10.1862 Hf 594 13119 WEBER, Katharina Eltern siehe <13075> * 07.02.1842 in Hf Kind(er) a) Katharina * 16.09.1863 Hf 508 13075 WEBER, Franz * um. .1814 Kleinhäusler 8 07.05.1839 in Hf DIETRICH, Viktoria * um. .1819 Kind(er) a) Anna t 15.08.1839 Hf b) Katharina * 07.02.1842 Hf c) Peter * 19.08.1844 Hf d) Johann t 11.11.1846 Hf e) Wenzel * 19.10.1854 Hnr 243 Fran Matkovich -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robert Evensen Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:13 PM To: DVHH Mail List Subject: [DVHH] Katharina Weber - Hatzfeld 1864 I am looking for information on Katharina Weber born around 1864 in Hatzfeld. Parents unknown. She married twice to Johann Kindl and Johann Schulz, both from Groß Komlosch. Thanks, Robert Evensen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rita Are there any Dietrich's listed as residing in Homolitz? Larry -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rita Schiwanowitsch Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 3:32 PM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Homolitz (Omoljica) Hi Eve, On MyHeritage.com, the family tree Familienseite administered by Mr. Hohl and Mr Putsch has many people named Retz from Homolitz. Some with fairly current information and photos. If you don't have access, let me know, I can look them up for you. Rita > From: dvhhadmin.eve@gmail.com > Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 15:36:05 -0400 > To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DVHH] Homolitz (Omoljica) > > I have been contacted once again by a person with family living in a former > DS home in the village of Homolitz (Omoljica). She knows the family name > was RETZ - if anyone on the list has a connection with this village or name > please let me know. > > - > DVHH mail list co-administrator > > Eve Brown > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been contacted once again by a person with family living in a former DS home in the village of Homolitz (Omoljica). She knows the family name was RETZ - if anyone on the list has a connection with this village or name please let me know. - DVHH mail list co-administrator Eve Brown

Hi Eve, On MyHeritage.com, the family tree Familienseite administered by Mr. Hohl and Mr Putsch has many people named Retz from Homolitz. Some with fairly current information and photos. If you don't have access, let me know, I can look them up for you. Rita > From: dvhhadmin.eve@gmail.com > Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 15:36:05 -0400 > To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DVHH] Homolitz (Omoljica) > > I have been contacted once again by a person with family living in a former > DS home in the village of Homolitz (Omoljica). She knows the family name > was RETZ - if anyone on the list has a connection with this village or name > please let me know. > > - > DVHH mail list co-administrator > > Eve Brown > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Banat that Laszlo is referring to is the western Banat which was part of Yugoslavia and not the eastern part which was ceded to Romania after the First World War. We need to be specific in the use of our terms to avoid confusion on the part of others not as well versed in these matters. Henry Fischer -----Original Message----- From: László Békési Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 1:33 AM To: donauschwaben-villages Subject: Re: [DVHH] German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship Only one remark to Fran's comment: there was no Hungarian rule in the Banat in 1941-1944. It remained under German military government after the campaign in 1941, Hungary received Batschka, Baranya and some smaller territories along the river Mur. Best regards Laszlo 2014-05-14 5:05 GMT+02:00 Helga <kandhkiely@rogers.com>: > Eleanor: > > I take it that you are Eleanor that current lives in California formerly > from Detroit? I am pretty positive with my assumption, but could be > wrong. > I remember your father and think his name was Rudy and your mother > Dorothy? > What confuses me mostly is your last sentence "My father was German, > etc................and sometimes referred to her being a Schwabien and > somewhat lower than others". Could you clarify that? > > The good thing now is that at the Windsor/Detroit border, they don't ask > where you were born. any longer. They ask what is your citizenship. > Makes > things a lot easier. > > Helga Kiely > > -----Original Message----- > From: ffs1@cogeco.ca > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:44 PM > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship > > All > > A wasn't going to add anything to this conversation but I just had to. > Nationality vs Citizenship is not that important. I love my heritage, > and keep up with some of the customs and am passing them on to my > children, but what is important is to be a good citizen of your country. > My Seitz Ancestors immigrated from Hessen to the Austrian Empire in > 1765, settling first in what is now Hungary. From there onward to the > Batschka, Macedonia, eventually back to Serbia. My mother was born in > Hamburg, Germany. My Dad in Neu Slankamen Syrmia. I have two brothers > born in Romania, a sister and brother born in Macedonia, one sister born > in Poland, one in East Germany and I was born in West Germany. I am > currently a dual American and Canadian Citizen living in Canada, soon to > move to Florida in the USA. See what I mean? > > Frank - Windsor > > On 5/12/2014 2:33 PM, Eleanor Little wrote: > > Thank you, Everyone. My mother was part of Romania when part of > > Austria-Hungary was taken and given to Romania as part of the treaty > after > > WW I. Even the children were forced to learn the Romanian language at > > school. > > > > After many years, a move to Canada, the U.S.A., and becoming a U.S. > > citizen, I remember that she still hesitated strongly (became nervous, > > uncertain, had a hard time saying "Romanian") when we crossed the border > > to > > Canada and a Border officer asked her nationality. Her passport then > said > > she was from Romania. How confusing that must have been! All her > family > > remained in Ontario, Canada. > > > > I appreciate your sensitive expression of what must have been such a > > painful history for all the Donau-Schwabian people with German ancestry. > > > > My father was German and sometimes referred to her being a Schwabian and > > somewhat lower than others. > > > > Eleanor > > > > > > On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 11:04 AM, <mjm1021@comcast.net> wrote: > > > >> You need to understand the history. The Donauschwaben lived in the > Banat > >> for 150 years. When they left they were German residents of > >> Austria-Hungary. After World War I, Hungary was separated from > >> Austria. > >> The Germans in Hungary gradually lost their identity as Germans, > >> although > >> many still felt German. They no longer had a homeland protecting them. > >> > >> Then Hitler took control. In general the Donauschwaben were against > >> Hitler, but the Hungarians > >> were now in control of the Banat. The German Banaters became like > second > >> class citizens. They had no homeland. Tito took their homes away from > >> them and put them in concentration camps. > >> > >> Then after World war II our allies ignorantly decided that every > >> nationality should return to its original homeland and they changed > >> around > >> the boundaries. Part of Germany became Poland. So germans were forced > >> to > >> leave these areas so that Poles could move there. They created > monstrous > >> chaos! > >> I could not understand my parents' reactions until I went back to the > >> history! And I am still learning. > >> > >> Fran Matkovich > >> > >> Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Eve > >> To: Daniela > >> Cc: donauschwaben-villages > >> Sent: May 11, 2014 at 5:36 PM > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship > >> > >> Daniela, > >> > >> My mom & dad told the same story. Mom didn't feel wanted in Austria - > or > >> like she belonged and were refused entrance into Germany in 1946 as it > >> was > >> overcrowded and they already had some cousins that were admitted - > >> early > >> on > >> in 45. > >> > >> Eve > >> > >> > >> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Daniela <danielashowley@aol.com> wrote: > >> > >>>> Germany, after the 2nd world war, I am talking now West Germany not > >>>> East > >>> Germany. West Germany was the biggest confusion and chaos after the > >>> war > >>> because they bombed the crap out of West Germany. The native Germans > >>> that > >>> lived there were homeless. And on top of that food supply and business > >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Syrmia Regional Coordinator > >> http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Only one remark to Fran's comment: there was no Hungarian rule in the Banat in 1941-1944. It remained under German military government after the campaign in 1941, Hungary received Batschka, Baranya and some smaller territories along the river Mur. Best regards Laszlo 2014-05-14 5:05 GMT+02:00 Helga <kandhkiely@rogers.com>: > Eleanor: > > I take it that you are Eleanor that current lives in California formerly > from Detroit? I am pretty positive with my assumption, but could be wrong. > I remember your father and think his name was Rudy and your mother Dorothy? > What confuses me mostly is your last sentence "My father was German, > etc................and sometimes referred to her being a Schwabien and > somewhat lower than others". Could you clarify that? > > The good thing now is that at the Windsor/Detroit border, they don't ask > where you were born. any longer. They ask what is your citizenship. > Makes > things a lot easier. > > Helga Kiely > > -----Original Message----- > From: ffs1@cogeco.ca > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:44 PM > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship > > All > > A wasn't going to add anything to this conversation but I just had to. > Nationality vs Citizenship is not that important. I love my heritage, > and keep up with some of the customs and am passing them on to my > children, but what is important is to be a good citizen of your country. > My Seitz Ancestors immigrated from Hessen to the Austrian Empire in > 1765, settling first in what is now Hungary. From there onward to the > Batschka, Macedonia, eventually back to Serbia. My mother was born in > Hamburg, Germany. My Dad in Neu Slankamen Syrmia. I have two brothers > born in Romania, a sister and brother born in Macedonia, one sister born > in Poland, one in East Germany and I was born in West Germany. I am > currently a dual American and Canadian Citizen living in Canada, soon to > move to Florida in the USA. See what I mean? > > Frank - Windsor > > On 5/12/2014 2:33 PM, Eleanor Little wrote: > > Thank you, Everyone. My mother was part of Romania when part of > > Austria-Hungary was taken and given to Romania as part of the treaty > after > > WW I. Even the children were forced to learn the Romanian language at > > school. > > > > After many years, a move to Canada, the U.S.A., and becoming a U.S. > > citizen, I remember that she still hesitated strongly (became nervous, > > uncertain, had a hard time saying "Romanian") when we crossed the border > > to > > Canada and a Border officer asked her nationality. Her passport then > said > > she was from Romania. How confusing that must have been! All her > family > > remained in Ontario, Canada. > > > > I appreciate your sensitive expression of what must have been such a > > painful history for all the Donau-Schwabian people with German ancestry. > > > > My father was German and sometimes referred to her being a Schwabian and > > somewhat lower than others. > > > > Eleanor > > > > > > On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 11:04 AM, <mjm1021@comcast.net> wrote: > > > >> You need to understand the history. The Donauschwaben lived in the > Banat > >> for 150 years. When they left they were German residents of > >> Austria-Hungary. After World War I, Hungary was separated from Austria. > >> The Germans in Hungary gradually lost their identity as Germans, > >> although > >> many still felt German. They no longer had a homeland protecting them. > >> > >> Then Hitler took control. In general the Donauschwaben were against > >> Hitler, but the Hungarians > >> were now in control of the Banat. The German Banaters became like > second > >> class citizens. They had no homeland. Tito took their homes away from > >> them and put them in concentration camps. > >> > >> Then after World war II our allies ignorantly decided that every > >> nationality should return to its original homeland and they changed > >> around > >> the boundaries. Part of Germany became Poland. So germans were forced > >> to > >> leave these areas so that Poles could move there. They created > monstrous > >> chaos! > >> I could not understand my parents' reactions until I went back to the > >> history! And I am still learning. > >> > >> Fran Matkovich > >> > >> Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Eve > >> To: Daniela > >> Cc: donauschwaben-villages > >> Sent: May 11, 2014 at 5:36 PM > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship > >> > >> Daniela, > >> > >> My mom & dad told the same story. Mom didn't feel wanted in Austria - > or > >> like she belonged and were refused entrance into Germany in 1946 as it > >> was > >> overcrowded and they already had some cousins that were admitted - early > >> on > >> in 45. > >> > >> Eve > >> > >> > >> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Daniela <danielashowley@aol.com> wrote: > >> > >>>> Germany, after the 2nd world war, I am talking now West Germany not > >>>> East > >>> Germany. West Germany was the biggest confusion and chaos after the war > >>> because they bombed the crap out of West Germany. The native Germans > >>> that > >>> lived there were homeless. And on top of that food supply and business > >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Syrmia Regional Coordinator > >> http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Helga Sometimes they do ask where you were born. On entering the US, I show my American Passport showing I was born in Germany. It throws them for a loop. American citizen, living in Canada, born in Germany. They ask me (in fun) to make up my mind. Frank - Windsor On 5/13/2014 11:05 PM, Helga wrote: > Eleanor: > > I take it that you are Eleanor that current lives in California > formerly from Detroit? I am pretty positive with my assumption, but > could be wrong. I remember your father and think his name was Rudy and > your mother Dorothy? What confuses me mostly is your last sentence > "My father was German, etc................and sometimes referred to > her being a Schwabien and somewhat lower than others". Could you > clarify that? > > The good thing now is that at the Windsor/Detroit border, they don't > ask where you were born. any longer. They ask what is your > citizenship. Makes things a lot easier. > > Helga Kiely > > -----Original Message----- From: ffs1@cogeco.ca > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:44 PM > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship > > All > > A wasn't going to add anything to this conversation but I just had to. > Nationality vs Citizenship is not that important. I love my heritage, > and keep up with some of the customs and am passing them on to my > children, but what is important is to be a good citizen of your country. > My Seitz Ancestors immigrated from Hessen to the Austrian Empire in > 1765, settling first in what is now Hungary. From there onward to the > Batschka, Macedonia, eventually back to Serbia. My mother was born in > Hamburg, Germany. My Dad in Neu Slankamen Syrmia. I have two brothers > born in Romania, a sister and brother born in Macedonia, one sister born > in Poland, one in East Germany and I was born in West Germany. I am > currently a dual American and Canadian Citizen living in Canada, soon to > move to Florida in the USA. See what I mean? > > Frank - Windsor > > On 5/12/2014 2:33 PM, Eleanor Little wrote: >> Thank you, Everyone. My mother was part of Romania when part of >> Austria-Hungary was taken and given to Romania as part of the treaty >> after >> WW I. Even the children were forced to learn the Romanian language at >> school. >> >> After many years, a move to Canada, the U.S.A., and becoming a U.S. >> citizen, I remember that she still hesitated strongly (became nervous, >> uncertain, had a hard time saying "Romanian") when we crossed the >> border to >> Canada and a Border officer asked her nationality. Her passport then >> said >> she was from Romania. How confusing that must have been! All her >> family >> remained in Ontario, Canada. >> >> I appreciate your sensitive expression of what must have been such a >> painful history for all the Donau-Schwabian people with German ancestry. >> >> My father was German and sometimes referred to her being a Schwabian and >> somewhat lower than others. >> >> Eleanor >> >> >> On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 11:04 AM, <mjm1021@comcast.net> wrote: >> >>> You need to understand the history. The Donauschwaben lived in the >>> Banat >>> for 150 years. When they left they were German residents of >>> Austria-Hungary. After World War I, Hungary was separated from >>> Austria. >>> The Germans in Hungary gradually lost their identity as Germans, >>> although >>> many still felt German. They no longer had a homeland protecting them. >>> >>> Then Hitler took control. In general the Donauschwaben were against >>> Hitler, but the Hungarians >>> were now in control of the Banat. The German Banaters became like >>> second >>> class citizens. They had no homeland. Tito took their homes away from >>> them and put them in concentration camps. >>> >>> Then after World war II our allies ignorantly decided that every >>> nationality should return to its original homeland and they changed >>> around >>> the boundaries. Part of Germany became Poland. So germans were >>> forced to >>> leave these areas so that Poles could move there. They created >>> monstrous >>> chaos! >>> I could not understand my parents' reactions until I went back to the >>> history! And I am still learning. >>> >>> Fran Matkovich >>> >>> Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Eve >>> To: Daniela >>> Cc: donauschwaben-villages >>> Sent: May 11, 2014 at 5:36 PM >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship >>> >>> Daniela, >>> >>> My mom & dad told the same story. Mom didn't feel wanted in Austria >>> - or >>> like she belonged and were refused entrance into Germany in 1946 as >>> it was >>> overcrowded and they already had some cousins that were admitted - >>> early on >>> in 45. >>> >>> Eve >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Daniela <danielashowley@aol.com> wrote: >>> >>>>> Germany, after the 2nd world war, I am talking now West Germany >>>>> not East >>>> Germany. West Germany was the biggest confusion and chaos after the >>>> war >>>> because they bombed the crap out of West Germany. The native >>>> Germans that >>>> lived there were homeless. And on top of that food supply and business >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>>> 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Syrmia Regional Coordinator >>> http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >

Eleanor: I take it that you are Eleanor that current lives in California formerly from Detroit? I am pretty positive with my assumption, but could be wrong. I remember your father and think his name was Rudy and your mother Dorothy? What confuses me mostly is your last sentence "My father was German, etc................and sometimes referred to her being a Schwabien and somewhat lower than others". Could you clarify that? The good thing now is that at the Windsor/Detroit border, they don't ask where you were born. any longer. They ask what is your citizenship. Makes things a lot easier. Helga Kiely -----Original Message----- From: ffs1@cogeco.ca Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:44 PM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship All A wasn't going to add anything to this conversation but I just had to. Nationality vs Citizenship is not that important. I love my heritage, and keep up with some of the customs and am passing them on to my children, but what is important is to be a good citizen of your country. My Seitz Ancestors immigrated from Hessen to the Austrian Empire in 1765, settling first in what is now Hungary. From there onward to the Batschka, Macedonia, eventually back to Serbia. My mother was born in Hamburg, Germany. My Dad in Neu Slankamen Syrmia. I have two brothers born in Romania, a sister and brother born in Macedonia, one sister born in Poland, one in East Germany and I was born in West Germany. I am currently a dual American and Canadian Citizen living in Canada, soon to move to Florida in the USA. See what I mean? Frank - Windsor On 5/12/2014 2:33 PM, Eleanor Little wrote: > Thank you, Everyone. My mother was part of Romania when part of > Austria-Hungary was taken and given to Romania as part of the treaty after > WW I. Even the children were forced to learn the Romanian language at > school. > > After many years, a move to Canada, the U.S.A., and becoming a U.S. > citizen, I remember that she still hesitated strongly (became nervous, > uncertain, had a hard time saying "Romanian") when we crossed the border > to > Canada and a Border officer asked her nationality. Her passport then said > she was from Romania. How confusing that must have been! All her family > remained in Ontario, Canada. > > I appreciate your sensitive expression of what must have been such a > painful history for all the Donau-Schwabian people with German ancestry. > > My father was German and sometimes referred to her being a Schwabian and > somewhat lower than others. > > Eleanor > > > On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 11:04 AM, <mjm1021@comcast.net> wrote: > >> You need to understand the history. The Donauschwaben lived in the Banat >> for 150 years. When they left they were German residents of >> Austria-Hungary. After World War I, Hungary was separated from Austria. >> The Germans in Hungary gradually lost their identity as Germans, >> although >> many still felt German. They no longer had a homeland protecting them. >> >> Then Hitler took control. In general the Donauschwaben were against >> Hitler, but the Hungarians >> were now in control of the Banat. The German Banaters became like second >> class citizens. They had no homeland. Tito took their homes away from >> them and put them in concentration camps. >> >> Then after World war II our allies ignorantly decided that every >> nationality should return to its original homeland and they changed >> around >> the boundaries. Part of Germany became Poland. So germans were forced >> to >> leave these areas so that Poles could move there. They created monstrous >> chaos! >> I could not understand my parents' reactions until I went back to the >> history! And I am still learning. >> >> Fran Matkovich >> >> Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Eve >> To: Daniela >> Cc: donauschwaben-villages >> Sent: May 11, 2014 at 5:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship >> >> Daniela, >> >> My mom & dad told the same story. Mom didn't feel wanted in Austria - or >> like she belonged and were refused entrance into Germany in 1946 as it >> was >> overcrowded and they already had some cousins that were admitted - early >> on >> in 45. >> >> Eve >> >> >> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Daniela <danielashowley@aol.com> wrote: >> >>>> Germany, after the 2nd world war, I am talking now West Germany not >>>> East >>> Germany. West Germany was the biggest confusion and chaos after the war >>> because they bombed the crap out of West Germany. The native Germans >>> that >>> lived there were homeless. And on top of that food supply and business >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> -- >> Syrmia Regional Coordinator >> http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Christine, Please accept my sincere condolences on the loss of your father. I hope that you are successful in finding some of his relatives and that your trip to his hometown of Budaors will be rewarding. My father was also born in Batschka Palanka (Deutsch-Palanka) and I wouldn't be surprised if his family knew your mother's family. Sincerely, Rose (Zentner) Vetter On 13 May 2014 05:24, Christine Lambert <lambert@brktel.on.ca> wrote: > My father, Josef Falusi, born Feldhofer, passed away on May 10, 2014. > He was born on September 30, 1927 in Budaors, Hungary. His parents were > Gabriel Feldhofer and Theresia Schilling, his grandparents were Gabriel > Feldhofer and Maria Daxhammer. > He was married to Christina Maria Hemeth from Batschka, Palanka for 61 > years and had three children, Christina, Marlene and Michael. > > Josef was born and raised in Budaors. His name was changed from Feldhofer > to Falusi in 1935 and after the war he moved to Germany. > In 1954 he moved with his wife, oldest daughter and mother in law to > Canada, where he has lived ever since. > Joseph was a talented carpenter, and a very hard worker. He and his > family had a group of Donauschwaben friends who lived near them in Canada. > They were good friends and remained close throughout their lives. > In Dad's final days he talked about going home. When asked where that > was, he said that he wanted to return to Budaors. > > I plan to visit Budaors next summer. If anyone in this group knows of > Josef or his family, or if we have any relatives in Budaors or elsewhere, I > would love to hear from you. > Thank you. > > Christine Lambert (Falusi) > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My father, Josef Falusi, born Feldhofer, passed away on May 10, 2014. He was born on September 30, 1927 in Budaors, Hungary. His parents were Gabriel Feldhofer and Theresia Schilling, his grandparents were Gabriel Feldhofer and Maria Daxhammer. He was married to Christina Maria Hemeth from Batschka, Palanka for 61 years and had three children, Christina, Marlene and Michael. Josef was born and raised in Budaors. His name was changed from Feldhofer to Falusi in 1935 and after the war he moved to Germany. In 1954 he moved with his wife, oldest daughter and mother in law to Canada, where he has lived ever since. Joseph was a talented carpenter, and a very hard worker. He and his family had a group of Donauschwaben friends who lived near them in Canada. They were good friends and remained close throughout their lives. In Dad's final days he talked about going home. When asked where that was, he said that he wanted to return to Budaors. I plan to visit Budaors next summer. If anyone in this group knows of Josef or his family, or if we have any relatives in Budaors or elsewhere, I would love to hear from you. Thank you. Christine Lambert (Falusi)