Thanks Jody! -----Original Message----- From: Jody McKim Pharr Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 6:43 PM To: 'Barb D' ; 'DVHH' Subject: RE: [DVHH] Beregso Hi Barb, It is Gross Beregsau , see: http://www.dvhh.org/banat_villages/Timis/Grossberegsau.htm Jody -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barb D Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 7:40 PM To: DVHH Subject: [DVHH] Beregso Hi, Its just me (Barb D,) again with more question. ???? On a ships manifest some ancestors put Beregso as last residence. I seen to be having trouble figuring where it is located. If anyone could point me in the right direction, I would appreciate it. Thanks again, Barb D
Dear Fellow Listers and DVHH Members, Henry is absolutely correct in supporting Rose's comments and publically. Thank you Rose and Henry. The sole purpose of this mail list (DVHH-L) is to be a medium for the DVHH.org, --an extension of the DVHH mission. And although many subscribers positions are not exactly the same as the DVHH's, there's a limit to the tolerance expected of those who hold positions within the DVHH, such as our Editors: Rose Vetter, Nick Tullius, Henry Fischer, Rose Mary Keller Hughes and myself. Trust us, if ever anything is made public - you can best believe attempts have already been made to resolve the matter privately, to no avail. Joe, --in ref to your comment . . . " Many of us Shwoveh are unhappy about being called „Danube Swabians“ as a leftover of the Weimar colonialism and Nazi „Drang nach Osten“ " Perhaps you'd be happier on a different mail list, because we are Danube Swabian and we're going to stay that way! Our motto written on every DVHH web page is " Keeping the Danube Swabian legacy alive " - if you're not in support of that, you are on the wrong mail list! Joe, do not use the DVHH mail list as a platform for your soap box meme. Jody -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Henry Fischer Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 5:41 PM To: Rose Vetter; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com; Rita Schiwanowitsch Subject: Re: [DVHH] Shwovish, Shwobe, Shwoveh - A New Terminology? Dear Fellow Listers, Whether Rose's email was meant to be private or not she is fulfilling her responsibility as part of the Editorial Committee of the DVHH whose task is to maintain the integrity of our mandate and purpose as it applies to our membership and postings. This is a very difficult role to play and we owe Rose our gratitude for her conscientious efforts in this regard on all our behalf and for the ongoing welfare and health of the DVHH. Henry Fischer -----Original Message----- From: Rita Schiwanowitsch Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 4:37 PM To: Rose Vetter ; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Shwovish, Shwobe, Shwoveh - A New Terminology? Rose... I think you really meant this to be a private scolding. Publically berating someone makes everyone uncomfortable. Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Rose Vetter<mailto:rosevetter@gmail.com> Sent: 5/19/2014 2:15 PM To: DVHH-L<mailto:Donauschwaben-Villages-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DVHH] Shwovish, Shwobe, Shwoveh - A New Terminology? Hello Joe, I’ve been reading your recent posts with growing concern. In one of them you went as far as congratulating one of our mail list members on “a good fight”, along with an invitation to join you on another forum. A remark like that is hardly in line with our policy of being kind to each other on this mail list. I feel that your highly political and confrontational comments are in contravention of our Mailing List Guidelines which you will find here: http://www.dvhh.org/community/mail-list.htm This forum is intended for people who want to research the ancestry, history and heritage of our people who settled along the middle course of the Danube; they called themselves “Schwowe” in their language or “Mundart”. The collective term “Donauschwaben, Danube Swabian, Podunavske Švabe”, etc. has been accepted in history books and literature in different languages, whether you accept it or not—who are we to change it? Your "Englishized", as you call it, version--Shwovish, Shwobe, Shwoveh--is non-existent in any publications, and your attempt to change the established terminology is, in my humble opinion, not acceptable. I know I’m not alone in saying that some of your comments are inflammatory and an affront to the memory of the ancestors we hold so dear. I’m afraid that some of your irrational comments might discourage some of our mail list members from voicing their opinions, or even cause them to leave this forum. Therefore, Joe, although I’ve been hesitant about posting this message, after spending some sleepless hours agonizing over this, I feel it my duty as a proud Schwowin or Danube Swabian, to get this off my chest. Rose Vetter, Editorial Committee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi, Its just me (Barb D,) again with more question. ???? On a ships manifest some ancestors put Beregso as last residence. I seen to be having trouble figuring where it is located. If anyone could point me in the right direction, I would appreciate it. Thanks again, Barb D
I believe Lorraine is now in Kernei visiting. Mike Abt and I were able to help her when I was still allowed to manage the Kernei site. -----Original Message----- From: "Katharine Samuelson" <samuelson@telus.net> Sent: 5/19/2014 5:27 PM To: "DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-L" <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: "raerae2352@yahoo.com" <raerae2352@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Kernei - settling in Chicago Hello Lorraine I have the OSB for Kernei, but no map. You can find a map of the Batschka on the DVHH site. You need to send some detailed information regarding the names and dates of birth & marriage if you have any. This will give you a start for your research into the family tree. You can also go to the Ellis Island site to find your grandparents and father. Katharine from sunny Delta Subject: Kernei The following feedback was sent by Lorraine Carpita (raerae2352@yahoo.com) via the www.dvhh.org Contact page: My grandparents and father were born in Kernei and immigrated to the USA in 1921, settling in Chicago. Is a copy of the 1805 Batschka map available for purchase? Also, I would like to research my family tree and find relatives in the US and Germany. After my grandmother passed away and my parents moved to FL, these connections were lost. Any suggestions on how to start? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Dear Fellow Listers, Whether Rose's email was meant to be private or not she is fulfilling her responsibility as part of the Editorial Committee of the DVHH whose task is to maintain the integrity of our mandate and purpose as it applies to our membership and postings. This is a very difficult role to play and we owe Rose our gratitude for her conscientious efforts in this regard on all our behalf and for the ongoing welfare and health of the DVHH. Henry Fischer -----Original Message----- From: Rita Schiwanowitsch Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 4:37 PM To: Rose Vetter ; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Shwovish, Shwobe, Shwoveh - A New Terminology? Rose... I think you really meant this to be a private scolding. Publically berating someone makes everyone uncomfortable. Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Rose Vetter<mailto:rosevetter@gmail.com> Sent: 5/19/2014 2:15 PM To: DVHH-L<mailto:Donauschwaben-Villages-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DVHH] Shwovish, Shwobe, Shwoveh - A New Terminology? Hello Joe, I’ve been reading your recent posts with growing concern. In one of them you went as far as congratulating one of our mail list members on “a good fight”, along with an invitation to join you on another forum. A remark like that is hardly in line with our policy of being kind to each other on this mail list. I feel that your highly political and confrontational comments are in contravention of our Mailing List Guidelines which you will find here: http://www.dvhh.org/community/mail-list.htm This forum is intended for people who want to research the ancestry, history and heritage of our people who settled along the middle course of the Danube; they called themselves “Schwowe” in their language or “Mundart”. The collective term “Donauschwaben, Danube Swabian, Podunavske Švabe”, etc. has been accepted in history books and literature in different languages, whether you accept it or not—who are we to change it? Your "Englishized", as you call it, version--Shwovish, Shwobe, Shwoveh--is non-existent in any publications, and your attempt to change the established terminology is, in my humble opinion, not acceptable. I know I’m not alone in saying that some of your comments are inflammatory and an affront to the memory of the ancestors we hold so dear. I’m afraid that some of your irrational comments might discourage some of our mail list members from voicing their opinions, or even cause them to leave this forum. Therefore, Joe, although I’ve been hesitant about posting this message, after spending some sleepless hours agonizing over this, I feel it my duty as a proud Schwowin or Danube Swabian, to get this off my chest. Rose Vetter, Editorial Committee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thanks Rita. I sent Rose a private response that she can make public if she chooses. -----Original Message----- From: "Rita Schiwanowitsch" <schiwanore@msn.com> Sent: 5/19/2014 4:38 PM To: "Rose Vetter" <rosevetter@gmail.com>; "donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Shwovish, Shwobe, Shwoveh - A New Terminology? Rose... I think you really meant this to be a private scolding. Publically berating someone makes everyone uncomfortable. Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Rose Vetter<mailto:rosevetter@gmail.com> Sent: 5/19/2014 2:15 PM To: DVHH-L<mailto:Donauschwaben-Villages-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DVHH] Shwovish, Shwobe, Shwoveh - A New Terminology? Hello Joe, I’ve been reading your recent posts with growing concern. In one of them you went as far as congratulating one of our mail list members on “a good fight”, along with an invitation to join you on another forum. A remark like that is hardly in line with our policy of being kind to each other on this mail list. I feel that your highly political and confrontational comments are in contravention of our Mailing List Guidelines which you will find here: http://www.dvhh.org/community/mail-list.htm This forum is intended for people who want to research the ancestry, history and heritage of our people who settled along the middle course of the Danube; they called themselves “Schwowe” in their language or “Mundart”. The collective term “Donauschwaben, Danube Swabian, Podunavske Švabe”, etc. has been accepted in history books and literature in different languages, whether you accept it or not—who are we to change it? Your "Englishized", as you call it, version--Shwovish, Shwobe, Shwoveh--is non-existent in any publications, and your attempt to change the established terminology is, in my humble opinion, not acceptable. I know I’m not alone in saying that some of your comments are inflammatory and an affront to the memory of the ancestors we hold so dear. I’m afraid that some of your irrational comments might discourage some of our mail list members from voicing their opinions, or even cause them to leave this forum. Therefore, Joe, although I’ve been hesitant about posting this message, after spending some sleepless hours agonizing over this, I feel it my duty as a proud Schwowin or Danube Swabian, to get this off my chest. Rose Vetter, Editorial Committee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I heartily agree with your words, Henry, and fully appreciate the responsibilities of Rose's position. There was something I read at the Donauschwaben Museum in Ulm.... a quotation from Bela Bartok... that stuck me as good words to try to live by. I feel this may be the time to share these words again..... "Bei dem Bauern gibt es keine spur von grimmigen Hass gegen andere Volker und hat es nie gegeben. Sie leben friedlich nebeneinander, jeder spricht seine Sprache, halt sich an seine eigenen Gebrauche un findet es ganz naturlich, dass sein anderessprachiger Nachbar das gleiche tut..... " "Amongst the farmers, there was no need to hate people that were different, and never has been. They lived feely next to one another, each speaking their own language and seeing to their own needs. And found it very natural that their neighbors, who spoke another language, did the same." Rita > From: hjfischer@rogers.com > To: rosevetter@gmail.com; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com; schiwanore@msn.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Shwovish, Shwobe, Shwoveh - A New Terminology? > Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 17:41:28 -0400 > > Dear Fellow Listers, > > Whether Rose's email was meant to be private or not she is fulfilling her > responsibility as part of the Editorial Committee of the DVHH whose task is > to maintain the integrity of our mandate and purpose as it applies to our > membership and postings. This is a very difficult role to play and we owe > Rose our gratitude for her conscientious efforts in this regard on all our > behalf and for the ongoing welfare and health of the DVHH. > > Henry Fischer > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rita Schiwanowitsch > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 4:37 PM > To: Rose Vetter ; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Shwovish, Shwobe, Shwoveh - A New Terminology? > > Rose... I think you really meant this to be a private scolding. Publically > berating someone makes everyone uncomfortable. > > > > Sent from my Windows Phone > ________________________________ > From: Rose Vetter<mailto:rosevetter@gmail.com> > Sent: 5/19/2014 2:15 PM > To: DVHH-L<mailto:Donauschwaben-Villages-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [DVHH] Shwovish, Shwobe, Shwoveh - A New Terminology? > > Hello Joe, > > > > I’ve been reading your recent posts with growing concern. In one of them > you went as far as congratulating one of our mail list members on “a good > fight”, along with an invitation to join you on another forum. A remark > like that is hardly in line with our policy of being kind to each other on > this mail list. > > > > I feel that your highly political and confrontational comments are in > contravention of our Mailing List Guidelines which you will find here: > > http://www.dvhh.org/community/mail-list.htm > > This forum is intended for people who want to research the ancestry, > history and heritage of our people who settled along the middle course of > the Danube; they called themselves “Schwowe” in their language or “Mundart”. > The collective term “Donauschwaben, Danube Swabian, Podunavske Švabe”, etc. > has been accepted in history books and literature in different languages, > whether you accept it or not—who are we to change it? Your "Englishized", > as you call it, version--Shwovish, Shwobe, Shwoveh--is non-existent in any > publications, and your attempt to change the established terminology is, in > my humble opinion, not acceptable. > > > > I know I’m not alone in saying that some of your comments are inflammatory > and an affront to the memory of the ancestors we hold so dear. I’m afraid > that some of your irrational comments might discourage some of our mail > list members from voicing their opinions, or even cause them to leave this > forum. Therefore, Joe, although I’ve been hesitant about posting this > message, after spending some sleepless hours agonizing over this, I feel it > my duty as a proud Schwowin or Danube Swabian, to get this off my chest. > > > > Rose Vetter, > > Editorial Committee > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hello Jim Book 5 lists 1 male and 4 females from Seitingen MELCHER Antoni, v Seitingen, nwv Tuttlingen, + 1.10.1778 in Ung. The dates are not very good, but maybe your friend gave you incorrect dates. Hope this helps. Katharine from sunny Delta The following feedback was sent by Arpad Szabo (sja@iprimus.com.au) via the www.dvhh.org Contact page: Stader Look Up. Hi Jody. I have a relative that I have received information that he was born in Seitingen Germany cir 1675 and immigrated to Nemesnadudvar Hungary cir 1700. His surname was Melcher or Melicher. Requesting look up if possible. Thanks. Jim Szabo Sydney Australia
Rose... I think you really meant this to be a private scolding. Publically berating someone makes everyone uncomfortable. Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Rose Vetter<mailto:rosevetter@gmail.com> Sent: 5/19/2014 2:15 PM To: DVHH-L<mailto:Donauschwaben-Villages-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DVHH] Shwovish, Shwobe, Shwoveh - A New Terminology? Hello Joe, I’ve been reading your recent posts with growing concern. In one of them you went as far as congratulating one of our mail list members on “a good fight”, along with an invitation to join you on another forum. A remark like that is hardly in line with our policy of being kind to each other on this mail list. I feel that your highly political and confrontational comments are in contravention of our Mailing List Guidelines which you will find here: http://www.dvhh.org/community/mail-list.htm This forum is intended for people who want to research the ancestry, history and heritage of our people who settled along the middle course of the Danube; they called themselves “Schwowe” in their language or “Mundart”. The collective term “Donauschwaben, Danube Swabian, Podunavske Švabe”, etc. has been accepted in history books and literature in different languages, whether you accept it or not—who are we to change it? Your "Englishized", as you call it, version--Shwovish, Shwobe, Shwoveh--is non-existent in any publications, and your attempt to change the established terminology is, in my humble opinion, not acceptable. I know I’m not alone in saying that some of your comments are inflammatory and an affront to the memory of the ancestors we hold so dear. I’m afraid that some of your irrational comments might discourage some of our mail list members from voicing their opinions, or even cause them to leave this forum. Therefore, Joe, although I’ve been hesitant about posting this message, after spending some sleepless hours agonizing over this, I feel it my duty as a proud Schwowin or Danube Swabian, to get this off my chest. Rose Vetter, Editorial Committee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Rose Vetter<mailto:rosevetter@gmail.com> Sent: 5/19/2014 2:15 PM To: DVHH-L<mailto:Donauschwaben-Villages-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DVHH] Shwovish, Shwobe, Shwoveh - A New Terminology? Hello Joe, I’ve been reading your recent posts with growing concern. In one of them you went as far as congratulating one of our mail list members on “a good fight”, along with an invitation to join you on another forum. A remark like that is hardly in line with our policy of being kind to each other on this mail list. I feel that your highly political and confrontational comments are in contravention of our Mailing List Guidelines which you will find here: http://www.dvhh.org/community/mail-list.htm This forum is intended for people who want to research the ancestry, history and heritage of our people who settled along the middle course of the Danube; they called themselves “Schwowe” in their language or “Mundart”. The collective term “Donauschwaben, Danube Swabian, Podunavske Švabe”, etc. has been accepted in history books and literature in different languages, whether you accept it or not—who are we to change it? Your "Englishized", as you call it, version--Shwovish, Shwobe, Shwoveh--is non-existent in any publications, and your attempt to change the established terminology is, in my humble opinion, not acceptable. I know I’m not alone in saying that some of your comments are inflammatory and an affront to the memory of the ancestors we hold so dear. I’m afraid that some of your irrational comments might discourage some of our mail list members from voicing their opinions, or even cause them to leave this forum. Therefore, Joe, although I’ve been hesitant about posting this message, after spending some sleepless hours agonizing over this, I feel it my duty as a proud Schwowin or Danube Swabian, to get this off my chest. Rose Vetter, Editorial Committee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello Lorraine I have the OSB for Kernei, but no map. You can find a map of the Batschka on the DVHH site. You need to send some detailed information regarding the names and dates of birth & marriage if you have any. This will give you a start for your research into the family tree. You can also go to the Ellis Island site to find your grandparents and father. Katharine from sunny Delta Subject: Kernei The following feedback was sent by Lorraine Carpita (raerae2352@yahoo.com) via the www.dvhh.org Contact page: My grandparents and father were born in Kernei and immigrated to the USA in 1921, settling in Chicago. Is a copy of the 1805 Batschka map available for purchase? Also, I would like to research my family tree and find relatives in the US and Germany. After my grandmother passed away and my parents moved to FL, these connections were lost. Any suggestions on how to start? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello James I have the OSB for CASAVOLY - Tschawal in der Batschka. Unfortunately there are no LENHARDT's listed. Can you supply any additional info, for instance his mother's name? Maybe the maternal side lived in Casavoly. Katharine in sunny Delta The following feedback was sent by James Lenhardt Jameslenhardt@hotmail.com via the www.dvhh.org Contact page: Records say my relative, leopold lenhardt was born in Tschawosch Csavos in 1810. I believe i need the Tschawosch KBs to track my family further! Can you helpl me? I will be in Romania next week. Thanks!
Hello Joe, I’ve been reading your recent posts with growing concern. In one of them you went as far as congratulating one of our mail list members on “a good fight”, along with an invitation to join you on another forum. A remark like that is hardly in line with our policy of being kind to each other on this mail list. I feel that your highly political and confrontational comments are in contravention of our Mailing List Guidelines which you will find here: http://www.dvhh.org/community/mail-list.htm This forum is intended for people who want to research the ancestry, history and heritage of our people who settled along the middle course of the Danube; they called themselves “Schwowe” in their language or “Mundart”. The collective term “Donauschwaben, Danube Swabian, Podunavske Švabe”, etc. has been accepted in history books and literature in different languages, whether you accept it or not—who are we to change it? Your "Englishized", as you call it, version--Shwovish, Shwobe, Shwoveh--is non-existent in any publications, and your attempt to change the established terminology is, in my humble opinion, not acceptable. I know I’m not alone in saying that some of your comments are inflammatory and an affront to the memory of the ancestors we hold so dear. I’m afraid that some of your irrational comments might discourage some of our mail list members from voicing their opinions, or even cause them to leave this forum. Therefore, Joe, although I’ve been hesitant about posting this message, after spending some sleepless hours agonizing over this, I feel it my duty as a proud Schwowin or Danube Swabian, to get this off my chest. Rose Vetter, Editorial Committee
Barb, There is a wonderful map made available on the DVHH site by Alex Leeb which gives all the villages of the Banat. http://www.banaters.com/dre/gridmap.asp Give it a try. Robert Evensen
It's been quite a while since I found these maps, I don't remember, sorry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helga" <kandhkiely@rogers.com> To: "Harold" <bhbrat24@q.com>, "Tony Fieder" <aefieder@hotmail.com> Cc: "Maria Moore" <maria.moore@sas.com>, donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 8:33:35 AM Subject: Re: [DVHH] Map & list Thanks Harold, I have always wanted one as well. I do have a few questions. Do the larger circles indicate villages that had a greater population? The reason that I ask is that I believe Legin had a much larger population that Kruschiwl. Kruschiwl had only about 700 residents where as Legin/Ridjica had several thousand. I also thought Ridjica was larger than Gakowa and Stanischitsch. Helga Kiely -----Original Message----- From: Harold Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:02 PM To: Tony Fieder Cc: Maria Moore ; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Map & list Try this Tony, http://www.dvhh.org/batschka/images/maps/batschka-kopp.jpg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Fieder" <aefieder@hotmail.com> To: "Maria Moore" <maria.moore@sas.com>, donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 9:07:11 AM Subject: Re: [DVHH] Map & list Great map, for sure! Is there a similar one for the Batschka??? Tony > From: Maria.Moore@sas.com > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 14:10:45 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Map & list > > I just checked out the gridmap below of the villages of the Banat. It is > great. Thanks Alex for making it available to everyone and thanks Robert > for pointing the rest of us in the right direction. > > Maria > > Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 19:41:45 -0400 > From: "Robert Evensen" <revensen@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Map & list > To: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com>, "DVHH" > <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <4E03CD23BAB14503A385424E38DCDC88@robertHP> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > Barb, > > There is a wonderful map made available on the DVHH site by Alex Leeb > which gives all the villages of the Banat. > http://www.banaters.com/dre/gridmap.asp Give it a try. > > Robert Evensen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barb D > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 6:55 PM > To: DVHH > Subject: [DVHH] Map & list > > Hi Listers > I was cleaning out my old post and had this thought. I thought it might be > fun and useful to have a map & list of all the places that our listers > original families are from. So that when we are reading a post and they > are talking about some town etc. we would know where it is. I have tried > to locate some of the places but haven?t had much luck. I guess 1st of all > I don?t have a really good map of the area. (any suggestion). 2nd I > haven?t a clue where places are. > Just a thought if some one has the time & knowledge. > > Also I have a copy of a old newspaper article that was an interview with > my g grandmother MARGARETA (JUNGER) BRATAN from Deutschsanktmichael. I was > wondering if I sent it to some one if they could translate it for me. I > think it is probably in German. Also if anyone would know how I could get > a better copy or even a copy of the newspaper it was in. > I also have copies of words that have been written on the back of cards & > pictures that I would love to know what they say and maybe even what > dialect they are, if you can tell from writings. > Thanks so much for your attention and hoping some one can help. > Barb D. > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thanks Harold, I have always wanted one as well. I do have a few questions. Do the larger circles indicate villages that had a greater population? The reason that I ask is that I believe Legin had a much larger population that Kruschiwl. Kruschiwl had only about 700 residents where as Legin/Ridjica had several thousand. I also thought Ridjica was larger than Gakowa and Stanischitsch. Helga Kiely -----Original Message----- From: Harold Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:02 PM To: Tony Fieder Cc: Maria Moore ; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Map & list Try this Tony, http://www.dvhh.org/batschka/images/maps/batschka-kopp.jpg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Fieder" <aefieder@hotmail.com> To: "Maria Moore" <maria.moore@sas.com>, donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 9:07:11 AM Subject: Re: [DVHH] Map & list Great map, for sure! Is there a similar one for the Batschka??? Tony > From: Maria.Moore@sas.com > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 14:10:45 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Map & list > > I just checked out the gridmap below of the villages of the Banat. It is > great. Thanks Alex for making it available to everyone and thanks Robert > for pointing the rest of us in the right direction. > > Maria > > Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 19:41:45 -0400 > From: "Robert Evensen" <revensen@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Map & list > To: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com>, "DVHH" > <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <4E03CD23BAB14503A385424E38DCDC88@robertHP> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > Barb, > > There is a wonderful map made available on the DVHH site by Alex Leeb > which gives all the villages of the Banat. > http://www.banaters.com/dre/gridmap.asp Give it a try. > > Robert Evensen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barb D > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 6:55 PM > To: DVHH > Subject: [DVHH] Map & list > > Hi Listers > I was cleaning out my old post and had this thought. I thought it might be > fun and useful to have a map & list of all the places that our listers > original families are from. So that when we are reading a post and they > are talking about some town etc. we would know where it is. I have tried > to locate some of the places but haven?t had much luck. I guess 1st of all > I don?t have a really good map of the area. (any suggestion). 2nd I > haven?t a clue where places are. > Just a thought if some one has the time & knowledge. > > Also I have a copy of a old newspaper article that was an interview with > my g grandmother MARGARETA (JUNGER) BRATAN from Deutschsanktmichael. I was > wondering if I sent it to some one if they could translate it for me. I > think it is probably in German. Also if anyone would know how I could get > a better copy or even a copy of the newspaper it was in. > I also have copies of words that have been written on the back of cards & > pictures that I would love to know what they say and maybe even what > dialect they are, if you can tell from writings. > Thanks so much for your attention and hoping some one can help. > Barb D. > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Many of us Shwoveh are unhappy about being called „Danube Swabians“ as a leftover of the Weimar colonialism and Nazi „Drang nach Osten“ And so we much prefer the words the Children of the Danube use for them selves. In Emigrants and Exiles: Book Three, Volume Two By Henry A. Fischer p. 1386 He tries to write these Shwovish words in English and a sort of German that is not very successful. He lists: „Schwovisch“ – and says that this is how 'Schwove“ call themselves. I find this ill advised for several reasons. The first spelling, in German would be read as „shwofish“ which is clearly not what Fischer wants to convey. The second word in English would be read a silent „e“ at the end, which is clearly not what Fischer wants to convey.; and in German would be read as „shwofeh“ which is clearly not what Fischer wants to convey. Accordingly I recommend that we all use the Englishified versions for the Germanic „Schwowe“, Schwob“ and „Schwowisch“ And write them as Shwoveh, Shwobe, and Shwovish. These capture the right sounds of what was and remains a spoken and largely unwritten language of our ancestors.
Stewart, It is quite possible that varied by area - by no means an expert - my parents said it like this - Sch vov ah (but without the spacing - and the vov sound reminds me of the sound in bovine). Eve On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 5:11 PM, stewgill <stewgill@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Gee, after all that, I'm still not sure how it's supposed to be pronounced, > never having heard it before. :-D > > Stewart G. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <joepsotka@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 3:31 PM > To: "dvhh" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [DVHH] Shwovish, Shwobe, Shwoveh > > > > > > > > > > > Many of us Shwoveh are unhappy about being called „Danube Swabians“ as a > > leftover of the Weimar colonialism and Nazi „Drang nach Osten“ > > > > And so we much prefer the words the Children of the Danube use for them > > selves. > > > > In > > > > > > > > Emigrants and Exiles: Book Three, Volume Two > > > > By Henry A. Fischer > > > > p. 1386 > > > > He tries to write these Shwovish words in English and a sort of German > > that is not very successful. > > > > He lists: „Schwovisch“ – and says that this is how 'Schwove“ call > > themselves. > > > > I find this ill advised for several reasons. > > > > The first spelling, in German would be read as „shwofish“ which is > > clearly not what Fischer wants to convey. > > > > The second word in English would be read a silent „e“ at the end, which > is > > clearly not what Fischer wants to convey.; and in German would be read as > > „shwofeh“ which is clearly not what Fischer wants to convey. > > > > Accordingly I recommend that we all use the Englishified versions for the > > Germanic „Schwowe“, Schwob“ and „Schwowisch“ > > > > And write them as Shwoveh, Shwobe, and Shwovish. These capture the > right > > sounds of what was and remains a spoken and largely unwritten language of > > our ancestors. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia
To be honest, my dad never cared what anyone called him as long as it wasn't late for dinner :D Cheers! Eve On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 4:31 PM, <joepsotka@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Many of us Shwoveh are unhappy about being called „Danube Swabians“ as a > leftover of the Weimar colonialism and Nazi „Drang nach Osten“ > > And so we much prefer the words the Children of the Danube use for them > selves. > > In > > > > Emigrants and Exiles: Book Three, Volume Two > > By Henry A. Fischer > > p. 1386 > > He tries to write these Shwovish words in English and a sort of German > that is not very successful. > > He lists: „Schwovisch“ – and says that this is how 'Schwove“ call > themselves. > > I find this ill advised for several reasons. > > The first spelling, in German would be read as „shwofish“ which is > clearly not what Fischer wants to convey. > > The second word in English would be read a silent „e“ at the end, which is > clearly not what Fischer wants to convey.; and in German would be read as > „shwofeh“ which is clearly not what Fischer wants to convey. > > Accordingly I recommend that we all use the Englishified versions for the > Germanic „Schwowe“, Schwob“ and „Schwowisch“ > > And write them as Shwoveh, Shwobe, and Shwovish. These capture the right > sounds of what was and remains a spoken and largely unwritten language of > our ancestors. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia
If a child's name was changed in 1909 in Lugos and a record was found in Budapest last year, would there likely be a copy of it in civil records in Lugos also? The record I have is very brief and doesn't tell the parent's name. Sharon Aller Seattle ----- Original Message -----