My husband and I bought a farm after living in Toronto for fourteen years. We farmed for ten years and every year I raised enough chickens for our family of five and extra ones for our city living relatives. I had more than fifty chickens in the freezer every fall. The chickens had their own coop behind the barn, but they had the habit of wandering into the barn to peck up any spilled ‘chop (coarsely ground corn and grain). They sometimes got in my husband’s way when he was doing chores. One time I was walking into the barn from the back door which was usually open in the summer. He tried to shoo one of the chickens away and it wouldn’t move. So he grabbed it and hurled it toward the back door, not aware that I was just entering the barn. It fluttered right at my head. “ Yikes!!” I screamed. It was just just too funny to be mad. Never a dull moment on the farm! Anne

That sounds like Hefe-Klöße! In Austria they call them Germ-Knödel! Hefe = Yeast, Klöße or Knödel = Dumplings. If they are smaller they are called Dampf-Nudeln (Steam-Noodles). Balls of yeast dough are set in kind of a pan, sprinkled with sweetened milk, and slowly cooked/fried. The balls get bigger and bigger the steam keeps them humid and pale on top and they get this wonderful crust at the bottom because there is no circulation of steam as they grow.. Sometimes they are filled with concentrated plum-jam and served with a vanilla sauce. The link below will show you various pictures and variations (the dictionary says the English term is also "Dampfnudeln" or yeast-dumplings). https://www.google.de/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=s3uMU_2mJ6OK8Qe7w4GIBQ#q=dampfnudeln and here you find the text in English: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dampfnudel Enjoy! Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] Im Auftrag von James Ball Gesendet: Montag, 2. Juni 2014 15:00 An: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Betreff: Re: [DVHH] DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES Digest, Vol 7, Issue 162 My mother made Hayva Glace - pronunciation. They were huge dumplings made in a cast iron skillet - maybe 3 in one skillet. They were steamed and formed a thick crust on the bottom that was so delicious. We ate them with canned peaches. My mother came from Swabian Turkey - Hogyesz but lived in Gyonk after the age of 11. On Jun 2, 2014, at 3:00 AM, donauschwaben-villages-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 11:05:40 +0200 > From: "Rainer Herrmann" <mail@rainerherrmann.de> > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Kraut glace > To: "'Eve'" <evebrown@gmail.com>, "'Darlene Dimitrie'" > <fon.ladee@cogeco.ca> > Cc: 'DVHH-L' <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <003b01cf7d78$a99eae10$fcdc0a30$@rainerherrmann.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi, > > It took me some time, but now I believe to know what you are talking about: > > (Large) dumplings in Bavaria, Baden-W?rttemberg or Rhineland-Pfalz are called "Kn?del". Elsewhere they are called "Kl??e". > "Fleckerl" (patches) are pasta and don?t have anything to do with the above. The problem is, that in German you always have exceptions to rules and so people don?t care about south and north and just use the terms as they like. > > Regardless what these "doughballs" are made of (Potatoes - raw or cooked or bread/roll-pieces, add eggs, water or milk, and salt ) and boil them softly in hot water until they come up to the surface. These balls often where filled with minced meat, speck, greaves or kraut (when having made the balls, make a hole with your thumb, fill the cavity and close it again, before throwing them into the hot water). Perhaps you remember "Kartoffel-, Semmel-, Grieben, Speckkn?del or -kl??e"? > > How to make another dish called "Krautkn?del" you can watch on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXCa20j81LQ . Many of you probably will be reminded of similar experiences made with Mom or Grandma. I admit, that I was really surprised that they called this dish "Schwowische Krautkn?del" - my Grandmother called them "Krautwickel". > > However when you pronounce "glace" or "klace" in English it sounds very much like "Kl??e" in German and that may be the correct answer to this topic. > > Have a wonderful Sunday > > Rainer > >

In my native Banat village chicken were slaughtered (rendered?) in a different way. Grandmother would strew a handful of corn kernels around herself to get their attention. She would then grab one, usually a young rooster, because their number need to be reduced (eventually down to one). She would spread its wings and put one foot on each wing. She would then bent its head back, make an incision in its neck, and collect all its blood in a bowl. In a pan, she fried up in lard some chopped onions, the chicken liver, and the collected chicken blood. The result was the best brunch I ever had, not only for those hard post-war years, but forever. Nick -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eve Sent: 1-Jun-14 20:20 To: Tony Fieder Cc: DVHH Mail List Subject: Re: [DVHH] fresh chicken I grew up in the inner city of Flint, but I was never a city kid. I don't recall how mom got the live chickens home but they were always running around our garden/yard until it was execution time AND it was always mom that snapped their necks - I will never forget seeing my first one - literally running around like a chicken with his head cut off. Mom always promised me that she wouldn't do that to my favorite Henrietta - WELL that didn't happen and at the dinner table with our pastor and family there for dinner - mom proudly presented Henrietta :( My most embarrassing thing with my parents was having friends over and all over the basement where us kids "hung out" were bowls of pickled pigs feet - my dad loved them - I don't think I could touch them to this day - even though I've heard they are very good. Eve On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Tony Fieder <aefieder@hotmail.com> wrote: > This was common practice by my mother as well. Every Saturday morning > we would go to the Farmer's market in London Ontario, buy vegetables > and a live chicken. We took it home on the bus in a sack inside a > paper shopping bag and I prayed so mightily that it wouldn't cluck but > it always did and I died a thousand deaths as everyone stared at me! > I always felt so badly for the chicken when my mother killed it but it > never prevented me from enjoying her chicken dinners. > As someone else noted, my mother could never settle for anything but a > live chicken, claiming it tasted so much better. > > Tony Fieder, > Cambridge, Ontario > > > > From: bures@att.net > > Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 09:46:11 -0400 > > To: rosevetter@gmail.com > > CC: Donauschwaben-Villages-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] fresh chicken > > > > Rose, > > > > I can remember too going home with my mother from the Westside > > Market in > Cleveland, on the streetcar, with a live chicken wrapped in newspaper, > still clucking! > > > > I can't remember if this was the era before or after we raised our > > own > chickens in the backyard. > > > > The worst experience was when I found out my chicken dinner was one > > of > my three little pastel colored Easter peeps! > > > > > > Margaret > > >From my iPad > > > > > > > On Jun 1, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Rose Vetter <rosevetter@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Welcome to our group, Marilyn, and thank you for sharing your > > > memories > of > > > your grandmother. I remember a scene similar to the one you > > > describe, > of > > > my father coming home from the Winnipeg Public Market, carrying a > clucking > > > chicken under his arm, wrapped in newspaper--buying a dead bird in > > > the store just wasn't good enough. I couldn't bear to watch him > > > kill the > bird > > > in the basement, but I didn't mind helping my mother with the > > > plucking > and > > > eviscerating part. As you love discussions about food, the > > > recipes > here > > > will no doubt bring back memories of your grandmothers cooking: > > > http://www.dvhh.org/cooking-donauschwaben-style/ > > > > > > Rose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 31 May 2014 20:15, Marilyn McClaskey <m-mccl@umn.edu> wrote: > > >> > > >> Since I have jumped in on the Kraut Glace, I will introduce > > >> myself as a new listmember. My nameis Marilyn McClaskey, nee > > >> Hochban. I grew up until age 6 with my grandmother in the > > >> household. (She died when I was 6, in 1953.) My childhood > > >> memories include visiting Mr. Most, the butcher, and the > > >> Alexandrias' grocery store. On Sundays we would sometimes visit > > >> with other friends from the Old Country (which I thought was > > >> Germany) and they would sit and visit in German together. We > > >> brought home live chickens from the farmers' market and she > > >> killed them in the basement, making pastry brushes from the > > >> feathers, using every part of the bird. She did not need to read > > >> Joy of Cooking to know how to pluck and dress a bird. She made > > >> lye soap, and there was a small two burner gas stove in the > > >> basement where she canned everything. She made saurkraut,, her > > >> own dumplings, bread, noodles. When she died, I was numb and did > > >> not grieve until I was in my 20s. Then everything came flooding back, the German prayer she taught me, detailed memories and feelings. > > >> > > >> In 1982 my husband and I travelled to Winnipeg and a relative in > > >> the next generation from my grandmother told the story, the > > >> history. He showed us a book published in Ohio in the late 70s > > >> with a map of Zichydorf and which family lived in each house. I > > >> looked at the family photos from studios in the Old Country and > > >> saw the Serbian and Croatian doubled address on them. They put > > >> the Ellis Island records online in the 90s and I found the ship's > > >> manifest with the 35~ pieces of information about each passenger. > > >> I gathered my cousin and my sister's family to make a pilgrimage > > >> with me to Ellis Isalnd on the 100-year anniversary of their > > >> arrival, 11-22-2008. I think my next step is to go to Zichyfeld and to Setschanfeld where she was born. > > >> > > >> I'm looking forward to the discussions on this list! (maybe > > >> especially the ones about food) > > >> > > >> Marilyn Hochban McClaskey > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not only did we have fresh chickens from our small chicken yard (we lived in what would now be called the suburbs--not the city and not the country), we also had pigeons in our garage/barn. Grandma would know when to catch them (before they flew and got too tough)--up to the garage/barn attic and she'd catch them, hang them by their feet in between her fingers and come back to the house twisting their little necks as she walked. I didn't like seeing that but oh my what wonderful pigeon goulash they made! The meat fell off the bones. Rose Mary > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

My mother made Hayva Glace - pronunciation. They were huge dumplings made in a cast iron skillet - maybe 3 in one skillet. They were steamed and formed a thick crust on the bottom that was so delicious. We ate them with canned peaches. My mother came from Swabian Turkey - Hogyesz but lived in Gyonk after the age of 11. On Jun 2, 2014, at 3:00 AM, donauschwaben-villages-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > To respond to a Digest Mode message, click reply, CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE TO REFLECT THE TOPIC - then delete any postings/text not specific to the message you are responding to. Otherwise it could cause your message to be too long and not get posted. Your cooperation is appreciated. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Kraut glace (Rainer Herrmann) > 2. Re: Germans from Russia Recipe Database (Margaret Bures) > 3. Re: Germans from Russia Recipe Database (Helga) > 4. Re: Kraut glace (Margaret Bures) > 5. Re: fresh chicken (Margaret Bures) > 6. Re: fresh chicken (Gary Banzhaf) > 7. Re: fresh chicken (Tony Fieder) > 8. Re: fresh chicken (Eve) > 9. Re: Lookup: Grabatz - SCHMIDT (stewgill) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 11:05:40 +0200 > From: "Rainer Herrmann" <mail@rainerherrmann.de> > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Kraut glace > To: "'Eve'" <evebrown@gmail.com>, "'Darlene Dimitrie'" > <fon.ladee@cogeco.ca> > Cc: 'DVHH-L' <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <003b01cf7d78$a99eae10$fcdc0a30$@rainerherrmann.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi, > > It took me some time, but now I believe to know what you are talking about: > > (Large) dumplings in Bavaria, Baden-W?rttemberg or Rhineland-Pfalz are called "Kn?del". Elsewhere they are called "Kl??e". > "Fleckerl" (patches) are pasta and don?t have anything to do with the above. The problem is, that in German you always have exceptions to rules and so people don?t care about south and north and just use the terms as they like. > > Regardless what these "doughballs" are made of (Potatoes - raw or cooked or bread/roll-pieces, add eggs, water or milk, and salt ) and boil them softly in hot water until they come up to the surface. These balls often where filled with minced meat, speck, greaves or kraut (when having made the balls, make a hole with your thumb, fill the cavity and close it again, before throwing them into the hot water). Perhaps you remember "Kartoffel-, Semmel-, Grieben, Speckkn?del or -kl??e"? > > How to make another dish called "Krautkn?del" you can watch on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXCa20j81LQ . Many of you probably will be reminded of similar experiences made with Mom or Grandma. I admit, that I was really surprised that they called this dish "Schwowische Krautkn?del" - my Grandmother called them "Krautwickel". > > However when you pronounce "glace" or "klace" in English it sounds very much like "Kl??e" in German and that may be the correct answer to this topic. > > Have a wonderful Sunday > > Rainer > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] Im Auftrag von Eve > Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. Juni 2014 05:29 > An: Darlene Dimitrie > Cc: DVHH-L > Betreff: Re: [DVHH] Kraut glace > > Darlene, > > My mom says that pickles settle her stomach and I have started eating them now also when have indigestion problems - and it does seem to work - but boy I think it's weird that it does. > > Eve > > > On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Darlene Dimitrie <fon.ladee@cogeco.ca> > wrote: > >> >> Asked my mom - she pronounced it exactly like you said - >> "Klace/Glace", but >> says they did make a dish known as cabbage dumplings that was a layer of >> cabbage, then a layer of "dough balls", then more cabbage and dough >> balls >> and so on, but they called it "Knaedel". Guess everyone had different >> names for things. >> When we had kartoffel und glace, the same square little noodles, >> with cut up >> boiled potatoes, then fried up nice and crusty in a pan, we also >> had this >> odd soup. She used some of the water from boiling the potatoes and >> added >> square noodles, then using the frying pan where she fried up the >> kartoffel >> und glace, added some onion, water and paprika till the crusty stuff and >> oils lifted up, then put that into the soup. Looked kind of like >> an orange >> oil slick, but tasted awesome. >> Another odd thing - here in Canada, the doctor told one of our men >> to drink >> the juice from a jar of sauerkraut to settle his stomach. Don't >> know if it >> worked, too long ago. >> What is so much worse than cabbage is the smell of cooking beets - >> kind of >> like a moldy garage ... >> Darlene >> p.s. this is making me very hungry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >> Rose Vetter wrote: >> >> Hello Darlene and Anne, >> This sounds like Krautfleckl, a popular and economical meatless meal. I >> wonder if you could be referring to Kraut-Kl?ss (cabbage dumplings). >> The >> way our people pronounced it would sound more like Klace or Glace. >> Rose >> >> On 31 May 2014 15:50, Darlene Dimitrie <[1]fon.ladee@cogeco.ca> wrote: >> >> Rhymes with face or place - >> >> Anne Dreer wrote: >> Thanks, Darlene. >> We made that dish, too. We called it Kraut Fleckerli. In High >> German it >> would >> be one word and called Krautfleckchen = little cabbage patches. >> Just how exactly did you pronounce the ?glace?? >> Anne >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [1]DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES >> >> -[2]request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in >> the sub >> ject and the body of the messa >> >> References >> >> 1. mailto:fon.ladee@cogeco.ca >> 2. mailto:request@rootsweb.com >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 08:45:35 -0400 > From: Margaret Bures <bures@att.net> > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Germans from Russia Recipe Database > To: Larry & Shelly Hale <lshr@charter.net> > Cc: DVHH Mail List <Donauschwaben-Villages-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <8FAEEEFB-9995-4039-AF31-A6F9C47A34BE@att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi Larry & Shelly, > > My parents came from the Batschka too in 1922. The subject of glace came up and I was curious as to what it is. I don't remember my mother calling any of her dishes glace or Kl?ss. We ate a lot of kraut. > > > Margaret >> From my iPad > > >> On May 31, 2014, at 11:53 PM, "Larry & Shelly Hale" <lshr@charter.net> wrote: >> >> My grandmother was from the Batschka and I don't ever remember her making >> Glace. However my wife's grandparents were "Germans from Russia" (Volga) and >> this was a common dish with them. My wife still makes this. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret >> Bures >> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 10:38 PM >> To: DVHH Mail List >> Subject: [DVHH] Germans from Russia Recipe Database >> >> >> http://library.ndsu.edu/grhc/recipes/index.cgi?name=Cheryl%20Lackman >> >> >> >> Margaret >>> From my iPad >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 09:23:50 -0400 > From: "Helga" <kandhkiely@rogers.com> > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Germans from Russia Recipe Database > To: "Margaret Bures" <bures@att.net>, "Larry & Shelly Hale" > <lshr@charter.net> > Cc: DVHH Mail List <Donauschwaben-Villages-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <B1E08C1537E3439DA47B706922292EC0@HelgaPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; > reply-type=original > > My family is from Batschka as well, and I nave never heard of Glace or > Kloss either. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Margaret Bures > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 8:45 AM > To: Larry & Shelly Hale > Cc: DVHH Mail List > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Germans from Russia Recipe Database > > Hi Larry & Shelly, > > My parents came from the Batschka too in 1922. The subject of glace came up > and I was curious as to what it is. I don't remember my mother calling any > of her dishes glace or Kl?ss. We ate a lot of kraut. > > > Margaret >> From my iPad > > >> On May 31, 2014, at 11:53 PM, "Larry & Shelly Hale" <lshr@charter.net> >> wrote: >> >> My grandmother was from the Batschka and I don't ever remember her making >> Glace. However my wife's grandparents were "Germans from Russia" (Volga) >> and >> this was a common dish with them. My wife still makes this. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret >> Bures >> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 10:38 PM >> To: DVHH Mail List >> Subject: [DVHH] Germans from Russia Recipe Database >> >> >> http://library.ndsu.edu/grhc/recipes/index.cgi?name=Cheryl%20Lackman >> >> >> >> Margaret >>> From my iPad >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 09:29:24 -0400 > From: Margaret Bures <bures@att.net> > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Kraut glace > To: Rainer Herrmann <mail@rainerherrmann.de> > Cc: DVHH-L <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <29BE7440-D95B-4099-8590-F17BBF427ADE@att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Rainer, > > I loved the video!! > > Thanks for sharing. > > Margaret >> From my iPad > > >> On Jun 1, 2014, at 5:05 AM, "Rainer Herrmann" <mail@rainerherrmann.de> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> It took me some time, but now I believe to know what you are talking about: >> >> (Large) dumplings in Bavaria, Baden-W?rttemberg or Rhineland-Pfalz are called "Kn?del". Elsewhere they are called "Kl??e". >> "Fleckerl" (patches) are pasta and don?t have anything to do with the above. The problem is, that in German you always have exceptions to rules and so people don?t care about south and north and just use the terms as they like. >> >> Regardless what these "doughballs" are made of (Potatoes - raw or cooked or bread/roll-pieces, add eggs, water or milk, and salt ) and boil them softly in hot water until they come up to the surface. These balls often where filled with minced meat, speck, greaves or kraut (when having made the balls, make a hole with your thumb, fill the cavity and close it again, before throwing them into the hot water). Perhaps you remember "Kartoffel-, Semmel-, Grieben, Speckkn?del or -kl??e"? >> >> How to make another dish called "Krautkn?del" you can watch on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXCa20j81LQ . Many of you probably will be reminded of similar experiences made with Mom or Grandma. I admit, that I was really surprised that they called this dish "Schwowische Krautkn?del" - my Grandmother called them "Krautwickel". >> >> However when you pronounce "glace" or "klace" in English it sounds very much like "Kl??e" in German and that may be the correct answer to this topic. >> >> Have a wonderful Sunday >> >> Rainer >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] Im Auftrag von Eve >> Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. Juni 2014 05:29 >> An: Darlene Dimitrie >> Cc: DVHH-L >> Betreff: Re: [DVHH] Kraut glace >> >> Darlene, >> >> My mom says that pickles settle her stomach and I have started eating them now also when have indigestion problems - and it does seem to work - but boy I think it's weird that it does. >> >> Eve >> >> >> On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Darlene Dimitrie <fon.ladee@cogeco.ca> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Asked my mom - she pronounced it exactly like you said - >>> "Klace/Glace", but >>> says they did make a dish known as cabbage dumplings that was a layer of >>> cabbage, then a layer of "dough balls", then more cabbage and dough >>> balls >>> and so on, but they called it "Knaedel". Guess everyone had different >>> names for things. >>> When we had kartoffel und glace, the same square little noodles, >>> with cut up >>> boiled potatoes, then fried up nice and crusty in a pan, we also >>> had this >>> odd soup. She used some of the water from boiling the potatoes and >>> added >>> square noodles, then using the frying pan where she fried up the >>> kartoffel >>> und glace, added some onion, water and paprika till the crusty stuff and >>> oils lifted up, then put that into the soup. Looked kind of like >>> an orange >>> oil slick, but tasted awesome. >>> Another odd thing - here in Canada, the doctor told one of our men >>> to drink >>> the juice from a jar of sauerkraut to settle his stomach. Don't >>> know if it >>> worked, too long ago. >>> What is so much worse than cabbage is the smell of cooking beets - >>> kind of >>> like a moldy garage ... >>> Darlene >>> p.s. this is making me very hungry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>> >>> Rose Vetter wrote: >>> >>> Hello Darlene and Anne, >>> This sounds like Krautfleckl, a popular and economical meatless meal. I >>> wonder if you could be referring to Kraut-Kl?ss (cabbage dumplings). >>> The >>> way our people pronounced it would sound more like Klace or Glace. >>> Rose >>> >>> On 31 May 2014 15:50, Darlene Dimitrie <[1]fon.ladee@cogeco.ca> wrote: >>> >>> Rhymes with face or place - >>> >>> Anne Dreer wrote: >>> Thanks, Darlene. >>> We made that dish, too. We called it Kraut Fleckerli. In High >>> German it >>> would >>> be one word and called Krautfleckchen = little cabbage patches. >>> Just how exactly did you pronounce the ?glace?? >>> Anne >>> ------------------------------- >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [1]DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES >>> >>> -[2]request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in >>> the sub >>> ject and the body of the messa >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. mailto:fon.ladee@cogeco.ca >>> 2. mailto:request@rootsweb.com >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> -- >> Syrmia Regional Coordinator >> http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 09:46:11 -0400 > From: Margaret Bures <bures@att.net> > Subject: Re: [DVHH] fresh chicken > To: Rose Vetter <rosevetter@gmail.com> > Cc: DVHH Mail List <Donauschwaben-Villages-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <0D0FAB45-D0BD-4584-BBA7-85265B7F307F@att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Rose, > > I can remember too going home with my mother from the Westside Market in Cleveland, on the streetcar, with a live chicken wrapped in newspaper, still clucking! > > I can't remember if this was the era before or after we raised our own chickens in the backyard. > > The worst experience was when I found out my chicken dinner was one of my three little pastel colored Easter peeps! > > > Margaret >> From my iPad > > >> On Jun 1, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Rose Vetter <rosevetter@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Welcome to our group, Marilyn, and thank you for sharing your memories of >> your grandmother. I remember a scene similar to the one you describe, of >> my father coming home from the Winnipeg Public Market, carrying a clucking >> chicken under his arm, wrapped in newspaper--buying a dead bird in the >> store just wasn't good enough. I couldn't bear to watch him kill the bird >> in the basement, but I didn't mind helping my mother with the plucking and >> eviscerating part. As you love discussions about food, the recipes here >> will no doubt bring back memories of your grandmothers cooking: >> http://www.dvhh.org/cooking-donauschwaben-style/ >> >> Rose >> >> >> >> >>> On 31 May 2014 20:15, Marilyn McClaskey <m-mccl@umn.edu> wrote: >>> >>> Since I have jumped in on the Kraut Glace, I will introduce myself as >>> a new listmember. My nameis Marilyn McClaskey, nee Hochban. I grew >>> up until age 6 with my grandmother in the household. (She died when I >>> was 6, in 1953.) My childhood memories include visiting Mr. Most, >>> the butcher, and the Alexandrias' grocery store. On Sundays we would >>> sometimes visit with other friends from the Old Country (which I >>> thought was Germany) and they would sit and visit in German >>> together. We brought home live chickens from the farmers' market and >>> she killed them in the basement, making pastry brushes from the >>> feathers, using every part of the bird. She did not need to read Joy >>> of Cooking to know how to pluck and dress a bird. She made lye soap, >>> and there was a small two burner gas stove in the basement where she >>> canned everything. She made saurkraut,, her own dumplings, bread, >>> noodles. When she died, I was numb and did not grieve until I was in >>> my 20s. Then everything came flooding back, the German prayer she >>> taught me, detailed memories and feelings. >>> >>> In 1982 my husband and I travelled to Winnipeg and a relative in the >>> next generation from my grandmother told the story, the history. He >>> showed us a book published in Ohio in the late 70s with a map of >>> Zichydorf and which family lived in each house. I looked at the >>> family photos from studios in the Old Country and saw the Serbian and >>> Croatian doubled address on them. They put the Ellis Island records >>> online in the 90s and I found the ship's manifest with the 35~ pieces >>> of information about each passenger. I gathered my cousin and my >>> sister's family to make a pilgrimage with me to Ellis Isalnd on the >>> 100-year anniversary of their arrival, 11-22-2008. I think my next >>> step is to go to Zichyfeld and to Setschanfeld where she was born. >>> >>> I'm looking forward to the discussions on this list! (maybe >>> especially the ones about food) >>> >>> Marilyn Hochban McClaskey >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 14:10:46 -0400 > From: "Gary Banzhaf" <gerbanz@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [DVHH] fresh chicken > To: "Margaret Bures" <bures@att.net>, "Rose Vetter" > <rosevetter@gmail.com> > Cc: DVHH Mail List <Donauschwaben-Villages-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <AEBC5690BBC04D4FACF75B12E013CD83@GaryBanzhafPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > Good day to all the new names and Margret's memories of the Westside Market. > It took me back into the early fifties. Mom (*1903) and I, giving her a ride > to the Market in my 1951 Pontiac Star Chief - with pride. > Chickens alive, Mama had her stand there where they let "heads rolling" and > even plucking them and bringing the Chicken home to make everything that is > mentioned in today Ladies recopies ! > "Memories are made of this" and no matter how old you get - no one can take > them away! > > Gary (Gerhard) Banzhaf in Cleveland > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margaret Bures" <bures@att.net> > To: "Rose Vetter" <rosevetter@gmail.com> > Cc: "DVHH Mail List" <Donauschwaben-Villages-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 9:46 AM > Subject: Re: [DVHH] fresh chicken > > >> Rose, >> >> I can remember too going home with my mother from the Westside Market in >> Cleveland, on the streetcar, with a live chicken wrapped in newspaper, >> still clucking! >> >> I can't remember if this was the era before or after we raised our own >> chickens in the backyard. >> >> The worst experience was when I found out my chicken dinner was one of my >> three little pastel colored Easter peeps! >> >> >> Margaret >>> From my iPad >> >> >>> On Jun 1, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Rose Vetter <rosevetter@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Welcome to our group, Marilyn, and thank you for sharing your memories of >>> your grandmother. I remember a scene similar to the one you describe, >>> of >>> my father coming home from the Winnipeg Public Market, carrying a >>> clucking >>> chicken under his arm, wrapped in newspaper--buying a dead bird in the >>> store just wasn't good enough. I couldn't bear to watch him kill the >>> bird >>> in the basement, but I didn't mind helping my mother with the plucking >>> and >>> eviscerating part. As you love discussions about food, the recipes here >>> will no doubt bring back memories of your grandmothers cooking: >>> http://www.dvhh.org/cooking-donauschwaben-style/ >>> >>> Rose >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 31 May 2014 20:15, Marilyn McClaskey <m-mccl@umn.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> Since I have jumped in on the Kraut Glace, I will introduce myself as >>>> a new listmember. My nameis Marilyn McClaskey, nee Hochban. I grew >>>> up until age 6 with my grandmother in the household. (She died when I >>>> was 6, in 1953.) My childhood memories include visiting Mr. Most, >>>> the butcher, and the Alexandrias' grocery store. On Sundays we would >>>> sometimes visit with other friends from the Old Country (which I >>>> thought was Germany) and they would sit and visit in German >>>> together. We brought home live chickens from the farmers' market and >>>> she killed them in the basement, making pastry brushes from the >>>> feathers, using every part of the bird. She did not need to read Joy >>>> of Cooking to know how to pluck and dress a bird. She made lye soap, >>>> and there was a small two burner gas stove in the basement where she >>>> canned everything. She made saurkraut,, her own dumplings, bread, >>>> noodles. When she died, I was numb and did not grieve until I was in >>>> my 20s. Then everything came flooding back, the German prayer she >>>> taught me, detailed memories and feelings. >>>> >>>> In 1982 my husband and I travelled to Winnipeg and a relative in the >>>> next generation from my grandmother told the story, the history. He >>>> showed us a book published in Ohio in the late 70s with a map of >>>> Zichydorf and which family lived in each house. I looked at the >>>> family photos from studios in the Old Country and saw the Serbian and >>>> Croatian doubled address on them. They put the Ellis Island records >>>> online in the 90s and I found the ship's manifest with the 35~ pieces >>>> of information about each passenger. I gathered my cousin and my >>>> sister's family to make a pilgrimage with me to Ellis Isalnd on the >>>> 100-year anniversary of their arrival, 11-22-2008. I think my next >>>> step is to go to Zichyfeld and to Setschanfeld where she was born. >>>> >>>> I'm looking forward to the discussions on this list! (maybe >>>> especially the ones about food) >>>> >>>> Marilyn Hochban McClaskey >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 17:41:48 -0400 > From: Tony Fieder <aefieder@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [DVHH] fresh chicken > To: Margaret Bures <bures@att.net> > Cc: DVHH Mail List <donauschwaben-villages-l@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BLU175-W28681E3E1EE2D7C7B9CA51D2210@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > This was common practice by my mother as well. Every Saturday morning we would go to the Farmer's market in London Ontario, buy vegetables and a live chicken. We took it home on the bus in a sack inside a paper shopping bag and I prayed so mightily that it wouldn't cluck but it always did and I died a thousand deaths as everyone stared at me! > I always felt so badly for the chicken when my mother killed it but it never prevented me from enjoying her chicken dinners. > As someone else noted, my mother could never settle for anything but a live chicken, claiming it tasted so much better. > > Tony Fieder, > Cambridge, Ontario > > >> From: bures@att.net >> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 09:46:11 -0400 >> To: rosevetter@gmail.com >> CC: Donauschwaben-Villages-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] fresh chicken >> >> Rose, >> >> I can remember too going home with my mother from the Westside Market in Cleveland, on the streetcar, with a live chicken wrapped in newspaper, still clucking! >> >> I can't remember if this was the era before or after we raised our own chickens in the backyard. >> >> The worst experience was when I found out my chicken dinner was one of my three little pastel colored Easter peeps! >> >> >> Margaret >>> From my iPad >> >> >>> On Jun 1, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Rose Vetter <rosevetter@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Welcome to our group, Marilyn, and thank you for sharing your memories of >>> your grandmother. I remember a scene similar to the one you describe, of >>> my father coming home from the Winnipeg Public Market, carrying a clucking >>> chicken under his arm, wrapped in newspaper--buying a dead bird in the >>> store just wasn't good enough. I couldn't bear to watch him kill the bird >>> in the basement, but I didn't mind helping my mother with the plucking and >>> eviscerating part. As you love discussions about food, the recipes here >>> will no doubt bring back memories of your grandmothers cooking: >>> http://www.dvhh.org/cooking-donauschwaben-style/ >>> >>> Rose >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 31 May 2014 20:15, Marilyn McClaskey <m-mccl@umn.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> Since I have jumped in on the Kraut Glace, I will introduce myself as >>>> a new listmember. My nameis Marilyn McClaskey, nee Hochban. I grew >>>> up until age 6 with my grandmother in the household. (She died when I >>>> was 6, in 1953.) My childhood memories include visiting Mr. Most, >>>> the butcher, and the Alexandrias' grocery store. On Sundays we would >>>> sometimes visit with other friends from the Old Country (which I >>>> thought was Germany) and they would sit and visit in German >>>> together. We brought home live chickens from the farmers' market and >>>> she killed them in the basement, making pastry brushes from the >>>> feathers, using every part of the bird. She did not need to read Joy >>>> of Cooking to know how to pluck and dress a bird. She made lye soap, >>>> and there was a small two burner gas stove in the basement where she >>>> canned everything. She made saurkraut,, her own dumplings, bread, >>>> noodles. When she died, I was numb and did not grieve until I was in >>>> my 20s. Then everything came flooding back, the German prayer she >>>> taught me, detailed memories and feelings. >>>> >>>> In 1982 my husband and I travelled to Winnipeg and a relative in the >>>> next generation from my grandmother told the story, the history. He >>>> showed us a book published in Ohio in the late 70s with a map of >>>> Zichydorf and which family lived in each house. I looked at the >>>> family photos from studios in the Old Country and saw the Serbian and >>>> Croatian doubled address on them. They put the Ellis Island records >>>> online in the 90s and I found the ship's manifest with the 35~ pieces >>>> of information about each passenger. I gathered my cousin and my >>>> sister's family to make a pilgrimage with me to Ellis Isalnd on the >>>> 100-year anniversary of their arrival, 11-22-2008. I think my next >>>> step is to go to Zichyfeld and to Setschanfeld where she was born. >>>> >>>> I'm looking forward to the discussions on this list! (maybe >>>> especially the ones about food) >>>> >>>> Marilyn Hochban McClaskey >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 20:19:36 -0400 > From: Eve <evebrown@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [DVHH] fresh chicken > To: Tony Fieder <aefieder@hotmail.com> > Cc: DVHH Mail List <donauschwaben-villages-l@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CACaKFz_HHpL8rA347w6YZXk-3XTKs1zr_=fWy43wMS5-r_uc7Q@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I grew up in the inner city of Flint, but I was never a city kid. I don't > recall how mom got the live chickens home but they were always running > around our garden/yard until it was execution time AND it was always mom > that snapped their necks - I will never forget seeing my first one - > literally running around like a chicken with his head cut off. Mom always > promised me that she wouldn't do that to my favorite Henrietta - WELL that > didn't happen and at the dinner table with our pastor and family there for > dinner - mom proudly presented Henrietta :( > > My most embarrassing thing with my parents was having friends over and all > over the basement where us kids "hung out" were bowls of pickled pigs feet > - my dad loved them - I don't think I could touch them to this day - even > though I've heard they are very good. > > Eve > > > On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Tony Fieder <aefieder@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> This was common practice by my mother as well. Every Saturday morning we >> would go to the Farmer's market in London Ontario, buy vegetables and a >> live chicken. We took it home on the bus in a sack inside a paper shopping >> bag and I prayed so mightily that it wouldn't cluck but it always did and I >> died a thousand deaths as everyone stared at me! >> I always felt so badly for the chicken when my mother killed it but it >> never prevented me from enjoying her chicken dinners. >> As someone else noted, my mother could never settle for anything but a >> live chicken, claiming it tasted so much better. >> >> Tony Fieder, >> Cambridge, Ontario >> >> >>> From: bures@att.net >>> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 09:46:11 -0400 >>> To: rosevetter@gmail.com >>> CC: Donauschwaben-Villages-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] fresh chicken >>> >>> Rose, >>> >>> I can remember too going home with my mother from the Westside Market in >> Cleveland, on the streetcar, with a live chicken wrapped in newspaper, >> still clucking! >>> >>> I can't remember if this was the era before or after we raised our own >> chickens in the backyard. >>> >>> The worst experience was when I found out my chicken dinner was one of >> my three little pastel colored Easter peeps! >>> >>> >>> Margaret >>>> From my iPad >>> >>> >>>> On Jun 1, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Rose Vetter <rosevetter@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Welcome to our group, Marilyn, and thank you for sharing your memories >> of >>>> your grandmother. I remember a scene similar to the one you describe, >> of >>>> my father coming home from the Winnipeg Public Market, carrying a >> clucking >>>> chicken under his arm, wrapped in newspaper--buying a dead bird in the >>>> store just wasn't good enough. I couldn't bear to watch him kill the >> bird >>>> in the basement, but I didn't mind helping my mother with the plucking >> and >>>> eviscerating part. As you love discussions about food, the recipes >> here >>>> will no doubt bring back memories of your grandmothers cooking: >>>> http://www.dvhh.org/cooking-donauschwaben-style/ >>>> >>>> Rose >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 31 May 2014 20:15, Marilyn McClaskey <m-mccl@umn.edu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Since I have jumped in on the Kraut Glace, I will introduce myself as >>>>> a new listmember. My nameis Marilyn McClaskey, nee Hochban. I grew >>>>> up until age 6 with my grandmother in the household. (She died when I >>>>> was 6, in 1953.) My childhood memories include visiting Mr. Most, >>>>> the butcher, and the Alexandrias' grocery store. On Sundays we would >>>>> sometimes visit with other friends from the Old Country (which I >>>>> thought was Germany) and they would sit and visit in German >>>>> together. We brought home live chickens from the farmers' market and >>>>> she killed them in the basement, making pastry brushes from the >>>>> feathers, using every part of the bird. She did not need to read Joy >>>>> of Cooking to know how to pluck and dress a bird. She made lye soap, >>>>> and there was a small two burner gas stove in the basement where she >>>>> canned everything. She made saurkraut,, her own dumplings, bread, >>>>> noodles. When she died, I was numb and did not grieve until I was in >>>>> my 20s. Then everything came flooding back, the German prayer she >>>>> taught me, detailed memories and feelings. >>>>> >>>>> In 1982 my husband and I travelled to Winnipeg and a relative in the >>>>> next generation from my grandmother told the story, the history. He >>>>> showed us a book published in Ohio in the late 70s with a map of >>>>> Zichydorf and which family lived in each house. I looked at the >>>>> family photos from studios in the Old Country and saw the Serbian and >>>>> Croatian doubled address on them. They put the Ellis Island records >>>>> online in the 90s and I found the ship's manifest with the 35~ pieces >>>>> of information about each passenger. I gathered my cousin and my >>>>> sister's family to make a pilgrimage with me to Ellis Isalnd on the >>>>> 100-year anniversary of their arrival, 11-22-2008. I think my next >>>>> step is to go to Zichyfeld and to Setschanfeld where she was born. >>>>> >>>>> I'm looking forward to the discussions on this list! (maybe >>>>> especially the ones about food) >>>>> >>>>> Marilyn Hochban McClaskey >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 21:19:19 -0500 > From: "stewgill" <stewgill@bellsouth.net> > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Lookup: Grabatz - SCHMIDT > To: <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <2207E83800A049EE9B2B8407F47B182A@DellStudio1737> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > >> Many thanks Shirley, >> >> I would say that is a definite match. The birth, death and 1st marriage >> information of Johann all match my data. All the rest is new information >> that will greatly help further my research. >> >> Stewart G. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "G and S Gibbard" <sggibb@uniserve.com> >> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 4:35 PM >> To: <stewgill@bellsouth.net> >> Subject: Johann Schmidt >> >>> Hello Stewart, >>> >>> This may be the family you are looking for: >>> >>> SCHMIDT Christian b. abt 1773 in Gottlob, d.30.07.1853 Grabatz. >>> M.- 19.02.1800 in Grabatz - >>> KATZLER Elisabeth b. 25.12 1779 in Grabatz, d. 15.09.1860 in Lenauheim >>> >>> Children: >>> Josefa b. 27.11.1800 Grabatz d. 21.01.1901 Grabatz >>> Johann b. 01.03 1802 Grabatz d. 15.01. 1869 Lenauheim >>> m. 1- 04.02 1827 in Lenauheim Margaretha BOHN >>> m. 2- 12.01. 1863 in Lenauheim Anna Maria ENDRES >>> Katharina b. 23.08.1804 Grabatz d. 10.11.1890 Grabatz m. Johann Nikolaus >>> FELLENZ in 1826 >>> Elisabeth b. abt 1805 Grabatz d. 9.06.1806 Grabatz >>> Simon b. 03.02.1807 Grabatz d. 26.11 1853 Lenauheim m. abt 1830 >>> Elisabeth HAMRAK >>> Margarethe b. 19.09.1812 Grabatz d. 11.02.1813 Grabatz >>> >>> There is no information on the parents of Christian SCHMIDT in the >>> Grabatz books. The parents of Elisabeth KATZLER were : >>> Karl KATZLER born abt. 1753 in Radlbrunn d. 22.06 1802 in Grabatz >>> Susanna BERGER b. abt 1755 d. 20.01.1829 in Lenauheim >>> >>> Good luck with your family research. >>> Shirley Gibbard >>> Vancouver, B.C. >>> > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES Digest, Vol 7, Issue 162 > ******************************************************

I never experienced the slaughtering of the chickens .... I lived in Queens -- one of the New York City counties. When I was about 8 or 9 my Mom surprised us with baby chicks one Easter morning. There were quite a few of them ... and Mom suggested strongly that we give a few of them to our cousin who lived in town and had a back yard. Apparently Mom did think ahead as to when these chicks would grow up. So off they went - a few of them to live in a chicken coop in Queens. Since I loved the color pink, Mom used some food coloring to dye my chick pink. Months later we would visit the grown up chickens ... and my aunt would try and point out the pink one ... of course I could never see it. Well, I know I did enjoy a chicken dinner at my aunt's house -- probably more than once -- but never ever put the chicken dinner together with those baby chicks we cooed over on Easter morning. And come to think of it ... where did we ever think the wonderful down pillows came from that granny brought from Glogowatz? They certainly weren't store- bought .... but came about by Granny's work plucking those chickens. Yes -- Gary ... nice memories all of them! And I believe I have one of those pillows still. Susan > From: gerbanz@gmail.com > To: bures@att.net; rosevetter@gmail.com > Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 14:10:46 -0400 > CC: Donauschwaben-Villages-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] fresh chicken > > > Good day to all the new names and Margret's memories of the Westside Market. > It took me back into the early fifties. Mom (*1903) and I, giving her a ride > to the Market in my 1951 Pontiac Star Chief - with pride. > Chickens alive, Mama had her stand there where they let "heads rolling" and > even plucking them and bringing the Chicken home to make everything that is > mentioned in today Ladies recopies ! > "Memories are made of this" and no matter how old you get - no one can take > them away! > > Gary (Gerhard) Banzhaf in Cleveland > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margaret Bures" <bures@att.net> > To: "Rose Vetter" <rosevetter@gmail.com> > Cc: "DVHH Mail List" <Donauschwaben-Villages-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 9:46 AM > Subject: Re: [DVHH] fresh chicken > > > > Rose, > > > > I can remember too going home with my mother from the Westside Market in > > Cleveland, on the streetcar, with a live chicken wrapped in newspaper, > > still clucking! > > > > I can't remember if this was the era before or after we raised our own > > chickens in the backyard. > > > > The worst experience was when I found out my chicken dinner was one of my > > three little pastel colored Easter peeps! > > > > > > Margaret > >>From my iPad > > > > > >> On Jun 1, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Rose Vetter <rosevetter@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Welcome to our group, Marilyn, and thank you for sharing your memories of > >> your grandmother. I remember a scene similar to the one you describe, > >> of > >> my father coming home from the Winnipeg Public Market, carrying a > >> clucking > >> chicken under his arm, wrapped in newspaper--buying a dead bird in the > >> store just wasn't good enough. I couldn't bear to watch him kill the > >> bird > >> in the basement, but I didn't mind helping my mother with the plucking > >> and > >> eviscerating part. As you love discussions about food, the recipes here > >> will no doubt bring back memories of your grandmothers cooking: > >> http://www.dvhh.org/cooking-donauschwaben-style/ > >> > >> Rose > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> On 31 May 2014 20:15, Marilyn McClaskey <m-mccl@umn.edu> wrote: > >>> > >>> Since I have jumped in on the Kraut Glace, I will introduce myself as > >>> a new listmember. My nameis Marilyn McClaskey, nee Hochban. I grew > >>> up until age 6 with my grandmother in the household. (She died when I > >>> was 6, in 1953.) My childhood memories include visiting Mr. Most, > >>> the butcher, and the Alexandrias' grocery store. On Sundays we would > >>> sometimes visit with other friends from the Old Country (which I > >>> thought was Germany) and they would sit and visit in German > >>> together. We brought home live chickens from the farmers' market and > >>> she killed them in the basement, making pastry brushes from the > >>> feathers, using every part of the bird. She did not need to read Joy > >>> of Cooking to know how to pluck and dress a bird. She made lye soap, > >>> and there was a small two burner gas stove in the basement where she > >>> canned everything. She made saurkraut,, her own dumplings, bread, > >>> noodles. When she died, I was numb and did not grieve until I was in > >>> my 20s. Then everything came flooding back, the German prayer she > >>> taught me, detailed memories and feelings. > >>> > >>> In 1982 my husband and I travelled to Winnipeg and a relative in the > >>> next generation from my grandmother told the story, the history. He > >>> showed us a book published in Ohio in the late 70s with a map of > >>> Zichydorf and which family lived in each house. I looked at the > >>> family photos from studios in the Old Country and saw the Serbian and > >>> Croatian doubled address on them. They put the Ellis Island records > >>> online in the 90s and I found the ship's manifest with the 35~ pieces > >>> of information about each passenger. I gathered my cousin and my > >>> sister's family to make a pilgrimage with me to Ellis Isalnd on the > >>> 100-year anniversary of their arrival, 11-22-2008. I think my next > >>> step is to go to Zichyfeld and to Setschanfeld where she was born. > >>> > >>> I'm looking forward to the discussions on this list! (maybe > >>> especially the ones about food) > >>> > >>> Marilyn Hochban McClaskey > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> Many thanks Shirley, > > I would say that is a definite match. The birth, death and 1st marriage > information of Johann all match my data. All the rest is new information > that will greatly help further my research. > > Stewart G. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "G and S Gibbard" <sggibb@uniserve.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 4:35 PM > To: <stewgill@bellsouth.net> > Subject: Johann Schmidt > >> Hello Stewart, >> >> This may be the family you are looking for: >> >> SCHMIDT Christian b. abt 1773 in Gottlob, d.30.07.1853 Grabatz. >> M.- 19.02.1800 in Grabatz - >> KATZLER Elisabeth b. 25.12 1779 in Grabatz, d. 15.09.1860 in Lenauheim >> >> Children: >> Josefa b. 27.11.1800 Grabatz d. 21.01.1901 Grabatz >> Johann b. 01.03 1802 Grabatz d. 15.01. 1869 Lenauheim >> m. 1- 04.02 1827 in Lenauheim Margaretha BOHN >> m. 2- 12.01. 1863 in Lenauheim Anna Maria ENDRES >> Katharina b. 23.08.1804 Grabatz d. 10.11.1890 Grabatz m. Johann Nikolaus >> FELLENZ in 1826 >> Elisabeth b. abt 1805 Grabatz d. 9.06.1806 Grabatz >> Simon b. 03.02.1807 Grabatz d. 26.11 1853 Lenauheim m. abt 1830 >> Elisabeth HAMRAK >> Margarethe b. 19.09.1812 Grabatz d. 11.02.1813 Grabatz >> >> There is no information on the parents of Christian SCHMIDT in the >> Grabatz books. The parents of Elisabeth KATZLER were : >> Karl KATZLER born abt. 1753 in Radlbrunn d. 22.06 1802 in Grabatz >> Susanna BERGER b. abt 1755 d. 20.01.1829 in Lenauheim >> >> Good luck with your family research. >> Shirley Gibbard >> Vancouver, B.C. >>

I grew up in the inner city of Flint, but I was never a city kid. I don't recall how mom got the live chickens home but they were always running around our garden/yard until it was execution time AND it was always mom that snapped their necks - I will never forget seeing my first one - literally running around like a chicken with his head cut off. Mom always promised me that she wouldn't do that to my favorite Henrietta - WELL that didn't happen and at the dinner table with our pastor and family there for dinner - mom proudly presented Henrietta :( My most embarrassing thing with my parents was having friends over and all over the basement where us kids "hung out" were bowls of pickled pigs feet - my dad loved them - I don't think I could touch them to this day - even though I've heard they are very good. Eve On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Tony Fieder <aefieder@hotmail.com> wrote: > This was common practice by my mother as well. Every Saturday morning we > would go to the Farmer's market in London Ontario, buy vegetables and a > live chicken. We took it home on the bus in a sack inside a paper shopping > bag and I prayed so mightily that it wouldn't cluck but it always did and I > died a thousand deaths as everyone stared at me! > I always felt so badly for the chicken when my mother killed it but it > never prevented me from enjoying her chicken dinners. > As someone else noted, my mother could never settle for anything but a > live chicken, claiming it tasted so much better. > > Tony Fieder, > Cambridge, Ontario > > > > From: bures@att.net > > Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 09:46:11 -0400 > > To: rosevetter@gmail.com > > CC: Donauschwaben-Villages-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] fresh chicken > > > > Rose, > > > > I can remember too going home with my mother from the Westside Market in > Cleveland, on the streetcar, with a live chicken wrapped in newspaper, > still clucking! > > > > I can't remember if this was the era before or after we raised our own > chickens in the backyard. > > > > The worst experience was when I found out my chicken dinner was one of > my three little pastel colored Easter peeps! > > > > > > Margaret > > >From my iPad > > > > > > > On Jun 1, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Rose Vetter <rosevetter@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Welcome to our group, Marilyn, and thank you for sharing your memories > of > > > your grandmother. I remember a scene similar to the one you describe, > of > > > my father coming home from the Winnipeg Public Market, carrying a > clucking > > > chicken under his arm, wrapped in newspaper--buying a dead bird in the > > > store just wasn't good enough. I couldn't bear to watch him kill the > bird > > > in the basement, but I didn't mind helping my mother with the plucking > and > > > eviscerating part. As you love discussions about food, the recipes > here > > > will no doubt bring back memories of your grandmothers cooking: > > > http://www.dvhh.org/cooking-donauschwaben-style/ > > > > > > Rose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 31 May 2014 20:15, Marilyn McClaskey <m-mccl@umn.edu> wrote: > > >> > > >> Since I have jumped in on the Kraut Glace, I will introduce myself as > > >> a new listmember. My nameis Marilyn McClaskey, nee Hochban. I grew > > >> up until age 6 with my grandmother in the household. (She died when I > > >> was 6, in 1953.) My childhood memories include visiting Mr. Most, > > >> the butcher, and the Alexandrias' grocery store. On Sundays we would > > >> sometimes visit with other friends from the Old Country (which I > > >> thought was Germany) and they would sit and visit in German > > >> together. We brought home live chickens from the farmers' market and > > >> she killed them in the basement, making pastry brushes from the > > >> feathers, using every part of the bird. She did not need to read Joy > > >> of Cooking to know how to pluck and dress a bird. She made lye soap, > > >> and there was a small two burner gas stove in the basement where she > > >> canned everything. She made saurkraut,, her own dumplings, bread, > > >> noodles. When she died, I was numb and did not grieve until I was in > > >> my 20s. Then everything came flooding back, the German prayer she > > >> taught me, detailed memories and feelings. > > >> > > >> In 1982 my husband and I travelled to Winnipeg and a relative in the > > >> next generation from my grandmother told the story, the history. He > > >> showed us a book published in Ohio in the late 70s with a map of > > >> Zichydorf and which family lived in each house. I looked at the > > >> family photos from studios in the Old Country and saw the Serbian and > > >> Croatian doubled address on them. They put the Ellis Island records > > >> online in the 90s and I found the ship's manifest with the 35~ pieces > > >> of information about each passenger. I gathered my cousin and my > > >> sister's family to make a pilgrimage with me to Ellis Isalnd on the > > >> 100-year anniversary of their arrival, 11-22-2008. I think my next > > >> step is to go to Zichyfeld and to Setschanfeld where she was born. > > >> > > >> I'm looking forward to the discussions on this list! (maybe > > >> especially the ones about food) > > >> > > >> Marilyn Hochban McClaskey > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

This was common practice by my mother as well. Every Saturday morning we would go to the Farmer's market in London Ontario, buy vegetables and a live chicken. We took it home on the bus in a sack inside a paper shopping bag and I prayed so mightily that it wouldn't cluck but it always did and I died a thousand deaths as everyone stared at me! I always felt so badly for the chicken when my mother killed it but it never prevented me from enjoying her chicken dinners. As someone else noted, my mother could never settle for anything but a live chicken, claiming it tasted so much better. Tony Fieder, Cambridge, Ontario > From: bures@att.net > Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 09:46:11 -0400 > To: rosevetter@gmail.com > CC: Donauschwaben-Villages-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] fresh chicken > > Rose, > > I can remember too going home with my mother from the Westside Market in Cleveland, on the streetcar, with a live chicken wrapped in newspaper, still clucking! > > I can't remember if this was the era before or after we raised our own chickens in the backyard. > > The worst experience was when I found out my chicken dinner was one of my three little pastel colored Easter peeps! > > > Margaret > >From my iPad > > > > On Jun 1, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Rose Vetter <rosevetter@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Welcome to our group, Marilyn, and thank you for sharing your memories of > > your grandmother. I remember a scene similar to the one you describe, of > > my father coming home from the Winnipeg Public Market, carrying a clucking > > chicken under his arm, wrapped in newspaper--buying a dead bird in the > > store just wasn't good enough. I couldn't bear to watch him kill the bird > > in the basement, but I didn't mind helping my mother with the plucking and > > eviscerating part. As you love discussions about food, the recipes here > > will no doubt bring back memories of your grandmothers cooking: > > http://www.dvhh.org/cooking-donauschwaben-style/ > > > > Rose > > > > > > > > > >> On 31 May 2014 20:15, Marilyn McClaskey <m-mccl@umn.edu> wrote: > >> > >> Since I have jumped in on the Kraut Glace, I will introduce myself as > >> a new listmember. My nameis Marilyn McClaskey, nee Hochban. I grew > >> up until age 6 with my grandmother in the household. (She died when I > >> was 6, in 1953.) My childhood memories include visiting Mr. Most, > >> the butcher, and the Alexandrias' grocery store. On Sundays we would > >> sometimes visit with other friends from the Old Country (which I > >> thought was Germany) and they would sit and visit in German > >> together. We brought home live chickens from the farmers' market and > >> she killed them in the basement, making pastry brushes from the > >> feathers, using every part of the bird. She did not need to read Joy > >> of Cooking to know how to pluck and dress a bird. She made lye soap, > >> and there was a small two burner gas stove in the basement where she > >> canned everything. She made saurkraut,, her own dumplings, bread, > >> noodles. When she died, I was numb and did not grieve until I was in > >> my 20s. Then everything came flooding back, the German prayer she > >> taught me, detailed memories and feelings. > >> > >> In 1982 my husband and I travelled to Winnipeg and a relative in the > >> next generation from my grandmother told the story, the history. He > >> showed us a book published in Ohio in the late 70s with a map of > >> Zichydorf and which family lived in each house. I looked at the > >> family photos from studios in the Old Country and saw the Serbian and > >> Croatian doubled address on them. They put the Ellis Island records > >> online in the 90s and I found the ship's manifest with the 35~ pieces > >> of information about each passenger. I gathered my cousin and my > >> sister's family to make a pilgrimage with me to Ellis Isalnd on the > >> 100-year anniversary of their arrival, 11-22-2008. I think my next > >> step is to go to Zichyfeld and to Setschanfeld where she was born. > >> > >> I'm looking forward to the discussions on this list! (maybe > >> especially the ones about food) > >> > >> Marilyn Hochban McClaskey > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good day to all the new names and Margret's memories of the Westside Market. It took me back into the early fifties. Mom (*1903) and I, giving her a ride to the Market in my 1951 Pontiac Star Chief - with pride. Chickens alive, Mama had her stand there where they let "heads rolling" and even plucking them and bringing the Chicken home to make everything that is mentioned in today Ladies recopies ! "Memories are made of this" and no matter how old you get - no one can take them away! Gary (Gerhard) Banzhaf in Cleveland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Bures" <bures@att.net> To: "Rose Vetter" <rosevetter@gmail.com> Cc: "DVHH Mail List" <Donauschwaben-Villages-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [DVHH] fresh chicken > Rose, > > I can remember too going home with my mother from the Westside Market in > Cleveland, on the streetcar, with a live chicken wrapped in newspaper, > still clucking! > > I can't remember if this was the era before or after we raised our own > chickens in the backyard. > > The worst experience was when I found out my chicken dinner was one of my > three little pastel colored Easter peeps! > > > Margaret >>From my iPad > > >> On Jun 1, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Rose Vetter <rosevetter@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Welcome to our group, Marilyn, and thank you for sharing your memories of >> your grandmother. I remember a scene similar to the one you describe, >> of >> my father coming home from the Winnipeg Public Market, carrying a >> clucking >> chicken under his arm, wrapped in newspaper--buying a dead bird in the >> store just wasn't good enough. I couldn't bear to watch him kill the >> bird >> in the basement, but I didn't mind helping my mother with the plucking >> and >> eviscerating part. As you love discussions about food, the recipes here >> will no doubt bring back memories of your grandmothers cooking: >> http://www.dvhh.org/cooking-donauschwaben-style/ >> >> Rose >> >> >> >> >>> On 31 May 2014 20:15, Marilyn McClaskey <m-mccl@umn.edu> wrote: >>> >>> Since I have jumped in on the Kraut Glace, I will introduce myself as >>> a new listmember. My nameis Marilyn McClaskey, nee Hochban. I grew >>> up until age 6 with my grandmother in the household. (She died when I >>> was 6, in 1953.) My childhood memories include visiting Mr. Most, >>> the butcher, and the Alexandrias' grocery store. On Sundays we would >>> sometimes visit with other friends from the Old Country (which I >>> thought was Germany) and they would sit and visit in German >>> together. We brought home live chickens from the farmers' market and >>> she killed them in the basement, making pastry brushes from the >>> feathers, using every part of the bird. She did not need to read Joy >>> of Cooking to know how to pluck and dress a bird. She made lye soap, >>> and there was a small two burner gas stove in the basement where she >>> canned everything. She made saurkraut,, her own dumplings, bread, >>> noodles. When she died, I was numb and did not grieve until I was in >>> my 20s. Then everything came flooding back, the German prayer she >>> taught me, detailed memories and feelings. >>> >>> In 1982 my husband and I travelled to Winnipeg and a relative in the >>> next generation from my grandmother told the story, the history. He >>> showed us a book published in Ohio in the late 70s with a map of >>> Zichydorf and which family lived in each house. I looked at the >>> family photos from studios in the Old Country and saw the Serbian and >>> Croatian doubled address on them. They put the Ellis Island records >>> online in the 90s and I found the ship's manifest with the 35~ pieces >>> of information about each passenger. I gathered my cousin and my >>> sister's family to make a pilgrimage with me to Ellis Isalnd on the >>> 100-year anniversary of their arrival, 11-22-2008. I think my next >>> step is to go to Zichyfeld and to Setschanfeld where she was born. >>> >>> I'm looking forward to the discussions on this list! (maybe >>> especially the ones about food) >>> >>> Marilyn Hochban McClaskey >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, It took me some time, but now I believe to know what you are talking about: (Large) dumplings in Bavaria, Baden-Württemberg or Rhineland-Pfalz are called "Knödel". Elsewhere they are called "Klöße". "Fleckerl" (patches) are pasta and don’t have anything to do with the above. The problem is, that in German you always have exceptions to rules and so people don’t care about south and north and just use the terms as they like. Regardless what these "doughballs" are made of (Potatoes - raw or cooked or bread/roll-pieces, add eggs, water or milk, and salt ) and boil them softly in hot water until they come up to the surface. These balls often where filled with minced meat, speck, greaves or kraut (when having made the balls, make a hole with your thumb, fill the cavity and close it again, before throwing them into the hot water). Perhaps you remember "Kartoffel-, Semmel-, Grieben, Speckknödel or -klöße"? How to make another dish called "Krautknödel" you can watch on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXCa20j81LQ . Many of you probably will be reminded of similar experiences made with Mom or Grandma. I admit, that I was really surprised that they called this dish "Schwowische Krautknödel" - my Grandmother called them "Krautwickel". However when you pronounce "glace" or "klace" in English it sounds very much like "Klöße" in German and that may be the correct answer to this topic. Have a wonderful Sunday Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] Im Auftrag von Eve Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. Juni 2014 05:29 An: Darlene Dimitrie Cc: DVHH-L Betreff: Re: [DVHH] Kraut glace Darlene, My mom says that pickles settle her stomach and I have started eating them now also when have indigestion problems - and it does seem to work - but boy I think it's weird that it does. Eve On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Darlene Dimitrie <fon.ladee@cogeco.ca> wrote: > > Asked my mom - she pronounced it exactly like you said - > "Klace/Glace", but > says they did make a dish known as cabbage dumplings that was a layer of > cabbage, then a layer of "dough balls", then more cabbage and dough > balls > and so on, but they called it "Knaedel". Guess everyone had different > names for things. > When we had kartoffel und glace, the same square little noodles, > with cut up > boiled potatoes, then fried up nice and crusty in a pan, we also > had this > odd soup. She used some of the water from boiling the potatoes and > added > square noodles, then using the frying pan where she fried up the > kartoffel > und glace, added some onion, water and paprika till the crusty stuff and > oils lifted up, then put that into the soup. Looked kind of like > an orange > oil slick, but tasted awesome. > Another odd thing - here in Canada, the doctor told one of our men > to drink > the juice from a jar of sauerkraut to settle his stomach. Don't > know if it > worked, too long ago. > What is so much worse than cabbage is the smell of cooking beets - > kind of > like a moldy garage ... > Darlene > p.s. this is making me very hungry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Rose Vetter wrote: > > Hello Darlene and Anne, > This sounds like Krautfleckl, a popular and economical meatless meal. I > wonder if you could be referring to Kraut-Klöss (cabbage dumplings). > The > way our people pronounced it would sound more like Klace or Glace. > Rose > > On 31 May 2014 15:50, Darlene Dimitrie <[1]fon.ladee@cogeco.ca> wrote: > > Rhymes with face or place - > > Anne Dreer wrote: > Thanks, Darlene. > We made that dish, too. We called it Kraut Fleckerli. In High > German it > would > be one word and called Krautfleckchen = little cabbage patches. > Just how exactly did you pronounce the ‘glace’? > Anne > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [1]DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES > > -[2]request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the sub > ject and the body of the messa > > References > > 1. mailto:fon.ladee@cogeco.ca > 2. mailto:request@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rose, I can remember too going home with my mother from the Westside Market in Cleveland, on the streetcar, with a live chicken wrapped in newspaper, still clucking! I can't remember if this was the era before or after we raised our own chickens in the backyard. The worst experience was when I found out my chicken dinner was one of my three little pastel colored Easter peeps! Margaret >From my iPad > On Jun 1, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Rose Vetter <rosevetter@gmail.com> wrote: > > Welcome to our group, Marilyn, and thank you for sharing your memories of > your grandmother. I remember a scene similar to the one you describe, of > my father coming home from the Winnipeg Public Market, carrying a clucking > chicken under his arm, wrapped in newspaper--buying a dead bird in the > store just wasn't good enough. I couldn't bear to watch him kill the bird > in the basement, but I didn't mind helping my mother with the plucking and > eviscerating part. As you love discussions about food, the recipes here > will no doubt bring back memories of your grandmothers cooking: > http://www.dvhh.org/cooking-donauschwaben-style/ > > Rose > > > > >> On 31 May 2014 20:15, Marilyn McClaskey <m-mccl@umn.edu> wrote: >> >> Since I have jumped in on the Kraut Glace, I will introduce myself as >> a new listmember. My nameis Marilyn McClaskey, nee Hochban. I grew >> up until age 6 with my grandmother in the household. (She died when I >> was 6, in 1953.) My childhood memories include visiting Mr. Most, >> the butcher, and the Alexandrias' grocery store. On Sundays we would >> sometimes visit with other friends from the Old Country (which I >> thought was Germany) and they would sit and visit in German >> together. We brought home live chickens from the farmers' market and >> she killed them in the basement, making pastry brushes from the >> feathers, using every part of the bird. She did not need to read Joy >> of Cooking to know how to pluck and dress a bird. She made lye soap, >> and there was a small two burner gas stove in the basement where she >> canned everything. She made saurkraut,, her own dumplings, bread, >> noodles. When she died, I was numb and did not grieve until I was in >> my 20s. Then everything came flooding back, the German prayer she >> taught me, detailed memories and feelings. >> >> In 1982 my husband and I travelled to Winnipeg and a relative in the >> next generation from my grandmother told the story, the history. He >> showed us a book published in Ohio in the late 70s with a map of >> Zichydorf and which family lived in each house. I looked at the >> family photos from studios in the Old Country and saw the Serbian and >> Croatian doubled address on them. They put the Ellis Island records >> online in the 90s and I found the ship's manifest with the 35~ pieces >> of information about each passenger. I gathered my cousin and my >> sister's family to make a pilgrimage with me to Ellis Isalnd on the >> 100-year anniversary of their arrival, 11-22-2008. I think my next >> step is to go to Zichyfeld and to Setschanfeld where she was born. >> >> I'm looking forward to the discussions on this list! (maybe >> especially the ones about food) >> >> Marilyn Hochban McClaskey >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rainer, I loved the video!! Thanks for sharing. Margaret >From my iPad > On Jun 1, 2014, at 5:05 AM, "Rainer Herrmann" <mail@rainerherrmann.de> wrote: > > Hi, > > It took me some time, but now I believe to know what you are talking about: > > (Large) dumplings in Bavaria, Baden-Württemberg or Rhineland-Pfalz are called "Knödel". Elsewhere they are called "Klöße". > "Fleckerl" (patches) are pasta and don’t have anything to do with the above. The problem is, that in German you always have exceptions to rules and so people don’t care about south and north and just use the terms as they like. > > Regardless what these "doughballs" are made of (Potatoes - raw or cooked or bread/roll-pieces, add eggs, water or milk, and salt ) and boil them softly in hot water until they come up to the surface. These balls often where filled with minced meat, speck, greaves or kraut (when having made the balls, make a hole with your thumb, fill the cavity and close it again, before throwing them into the hot water). Perhaps you remember "Kartoffel-, Semmel-, Grieben, Speckknödel or -klöße"? > > How to make another dish called "Krautknödel" you can watch on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXCa20j81LQ . Many of you probably will be reminded of similar experiences made with Mom or Grandma. I admit, that I was really surprised that they called this dish "Schwowische Krautknödel" - my Grandmother called them "Krautwickel". > > However when you pronounce "glace" or "klace" in English it sounds very much like "Klöße" in German and that may be the correct answer to this topic. > > Have a wonderful Sunday > > Rainer > > > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] Im Auftrag von Eve > Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. Juni 2014 05:29 > An: Darlene Dimitrie > Cc: DVHH-L > Betreff: Re: [DVHH] Kraut glace > > Darlene, > > My mom says that pickles settle her stomach and I have started eating them now also when have indigestion problems - and it does seem to work - but boy I think it's weird that it does. > > Eve > > > On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Darlene Dimitrie <fon.ladee@cogeco.ca> > wrote: > >> >> Asked my mom - she pronounced it exactly like you said - >> "Klace/Glace", but >> says they did make a dish known as cabbage dumplings that was a layer of >> cabbage, then a layer of "dough balls", then more cabbage and dough >> balls >> and so on, but they called it "Knaedel". Guess everyone had different >> names for things. >> When we had kartoffel und glace, the same square little noodles, >> with cut up >> boiled potatoes, then fried up nice and crusty in a pan, we also >> had this >> odd soup. She used some of the water from boiling the potatoes and >> added >> square noodles, then using the frying pan where she fried up the >> kartoffel >> und glace, added some onion, water and paprika till the crusty stuff and >> oils lifted up, then put that into the soup. Looked kind of like >> an orange >> oil slick, but tasted awesome. >> Another odd thing - here in Canada, the doctor told one of our men >> to drink >> the juice from a jar of sauerkraut to settle his stomach. Don't >> know if it >> worked, too long ago. >> What is so much worse than cabbage is the smell of cooking beets - >> kind of >> like a moldy garage ... >> Darlene >> p.s. this is making me very hungry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >> Rose Vetter wrote: >> >> Hello Darlene and Anne, >> This sounds like Krautfleckl, a popular and economical meatless meal. I >> wonder if you could be referring to Kraut-Klöss (cabbage dumplings). >> The >> way our people pronounced it would sound more like Klace or Glace. >> Rose >> >> On 31 May 2014 15:50, Darlene Dimitrie <[1]fon.ladee@cogeco.ca> wrote: >> >> Rhymes with face or place - >> >> Anne Dreer wrote: >> Thanks, Darlene. >> We made that dish, too. We called it Kraut Fleckerli. In High >> German it >> would >> be one word and called Krautfleckchen = little cabbage patches. >> Just how exactly did you pronounce the ‘glace’? >> Anne >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [1]DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES >> >> -[2]request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in >> the sub >> ject and the body of the messa >> >> References >> >> 1. mailto:fon.ladee@cogeco.ca >> 2. mailto:request@rootsweb.com >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My family is from Batschka as well, and I nave never heard of Glace or Kloss either. -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Bures Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 8:45 AM To: Larry & Shelly Hale Cc: DVHH Mail List Subject: Re: [DVHH] Germans from Russia Recipe Database Hi Larry & Shelly, My parents came from the Batschka too in 1922. The subject of glace came up and I was curious as to what it is. I don't remember my mother calling any of her dishes glace or Klöss. We ate a lot of kraut. Margaret >From my iPad > On May 31, 2014, at 11:53 PM, "Larry & Shelly Hale" <lshr@charter.net> > wrote: > > My grandmother was from the Batschka and I don't ever remember her making > Glace. However my wife's grandparents were "Germans from Russia" (Volga) > and > this was a common dish with them. My wife still makes this. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret > Bures > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 10:38 PM > To: DVHH Mail List > Subject: [DVHH] Germans from Russia Recipe Database > > > http://library.ndsu.edu/grhc/recipes/index.cgi?name=Cheryl%20Lackman > > > > Margaret >> From my iPad > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Larry & Shelly, My parents came from the Batschka too in 1922. The subject of glace came up and I was curious as to what it is. I don't remember my mother calling any of her dishes glace or Klöss. We ate a lot of kraut. Margaret >From my iPad > On May 31, 2014, at 11:53 PM, "Larry & Shelly Hale" <lshr@charter.net> wrote: > > My grandmother was from the Batschka and I don't ever remember her making > Glace. However my wife's grandparents were "Germans from Russia" (Volga) and > this was a common dish with them. My wife still makes this. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret > Bures > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 10:38 PM > To: DVHH Mail List > Subject: [DVHH] Germans from Russia Recipe Database > > > http://library.ndsu.edu/grhc/recipes/index.cgi?name=Cheryl%20Lackman > > > > Margaret >> From my iPad > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

My mother-in-law from Ruma called the Kraut Zweckl, same recipe. Anne

You are right, Rose, Klöss (e) it is. They were made of noodle dough. We also made ‘gezoppte Knedle’ (pulled dumplings). The noodle dough was rolled to about a third inch thickness, cut randomly into pieces, about three by four inches. From these pieces you pulled off teaspoon size chunks of dough and dropped them into boiling (lightly salted) water. They were just an other way of making pasta. The same as ‘noodle water, the water in which the Knedle (Knödel) were boiled could also be used for soup. You just left some of the Knedl in the water. The fried a chopped onion in a little lard, add a half tablespoon paprika and added this to the soup. Abgschmelzt! (larded). Haven’t made that in ages! Anne

Check out this video on YouTube: http://youtu.be/yGO4Wjvk2As Margaret >From my iPad

Welcome to our group, Marilyn, and thank you for sharing your memories of your grandmother. I remember a scene similar to the one you describe, of my father coming home from the Winnipeg Public Market, carrying a clucking chicken under his arm, wrapped in newspaper--buying a dead bird in the store just wasn't good enough. I couldn't bear to watch him kill the bird in the basement, but I didn't mind helping my mother with the plucking and eviscerating part. As you love discussions about food, the recipes here will no doubt bring back memories of your grandmothers cooking: http://www.dvhh.org/cooking-donauschwaben-style/ Rose On 31 May 2014 20:15, Marilyn McClaskey <m-mccl@umn.edu> wrote: > Since I have jumped in on the Kraut Glace, I will introduce myself as > a new listmember. My nameis Marilyn McClaskey, nee Hochban. I grew > up until age 6 with my grandmother in the household. (She died when I > was 6, in 1953.) My childhood memories include visiting Mr. Most, > the butcher, and the Alexandrias' grocery store. On Sundays we would > sometimes visit with other friends from the Old Country (which I > thought was Germany) and they would sit and visit in German > together. We brought home live chickens from the farmers' market and > she killed them in the basement, making pastry brushes from the > feathers, using every part of the bird. She did not need to read Joy > of Cooking to know how to pluck and dress a bird. She made lye soap, > and there was a small two burner gas stove in the basement where she > canned everything. She made saurkraut,, her own dumplings, bread, > noodles. When she died, I was numb and did not grieve until I was in > my 20s. Then everything came flooding back, the German prayer she > taught me, detailed memories and feelings. > > In 1982 my husband and I travelled to Winnipeg and a relative in the > next generation from my grandmother told the story, the history. He > showed us a book published in Ohio in the late 70s with a map of > Zichydorf and which family lived in each house. I looked at the > family photos from studios in the Old Country and saw the Serbian and > Croatian doubled address on them. They put the Ellis Island records > online in the 90s and I found the ship's manifest with the 35~ pieces > of information about each passenger. I gathered my cousin and my > sister's family to make a pilgrimage with me to Ellis Isalnd on the > 100-year anniversary of their arrival, 11-22-2008. I think my next > step is to go to Zichyfeld and to Setschanfeld where she was born. > > I'm looking forward to the discussions on this list! (maybe > especially the ones about food) > > Marilyn Hochban McClaskey > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

http://library.ndsu.edu/grhc/recipes/index.cgi?name=Cheryl%20Lackman Margaret >From my iPad