I have the following information: Jacob Hetzel, born about 1920 Schowe, died 2004, Windsor, Ontario, Canada. Married to Katharina, who died in 1992. Son of Philipp and Katharina, from Schowe; twin brother of Philipp and brother of Anna. Predeceased by all of these. In 1942 he was a violinist in the Hungarian Opera Radio Orchestra. I have more information on the family, but I have to find it, which could take a few days :) Will get back to you. Darlene royengel@rogers.com wrote: > Hi Manfred, > I am the co-coordinator for Kischker, which lies only a few kilometers north-east of Schowe. Although the Kischker Familienbuch does not have a record of either of these ancestors, both Hetzel and Ziwich names existed in small numbers in Kischker. Unfortunately, the information is imcomplete. However, this may give you some possible leads. > > Hetzel, (given name unknown) (evangelisch) born approx. 1890 in Schowe He married Margaretha Roth "Krischdin-Lisse" born 14.08.1894 in Kischker. > > Hetzel, Friedrich (ev.) born approx. 1855 in Schowe, died in Torschau. He married Elisabetha Schmidt (born 16.02.1859 in Kischker) on 29.04.1877 in Kischker. > There is no record of any sons born to them. They had two daughters: 1) Rosina Theresia 2) Theresia. > > Ziwich,Michael (ev.) born approx. 1835 in Schowe. He married I. Theresia Sohl (ev.) (born approx. 1837 in Kischker) on 30.01.1853 in Neu-Schowe. There is no record of any offspring. > He married II. Magdalena Haller (ev.) (born approx. 1840) in approx. 1864 in Neu-Schowe. They had one son, Philipp, born approx. 1865 in Schowe. He married Katharina Eidenmueller (ev.) born 20.04.1869 in Kischker. There is no record of any offspring. > > I don't think that this is much help for you, but perhaps if someone else has some Schowe records, these people might be connected with your wife's ancestors. > > Roy > > > On Friday, July 11, 2014 2:00:29 AM, Manfred Roux <manfred@roux.de> wrote: > > > > I am married to Renate Krüger, nee Hetzel, daughter of Ludwig Hetzel > (born 22 Jun 1922, Alt Schowe) and Theresia Ziwich (born 4 Apr 1923, > Alt Schowe). Does anyone have information about the heritage of Ludwig > Hetzel? Any information or lead would be welcome. > > Manfred Roux > 71067 Sindelfingen > Germany > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Darlene http://www.dvhh.org/membership/associates.htm#D http://home.cogeco.ca/~lindarlene/Index.html

Hi Manfred, I am the co-coordinator for Kischker, which lies only a few kilometers north-east of Schowe.  Although the Kischker Familienbuch  does not have a record of either of these ancestors, both Hetzel and Ziwich names existed in small numbers in Kischker.  Unfortunately, the information is imcomplete.  However, this may give you some possible leads. Hetzel, (given name unknown)     (evangelisch)   born approx. 1890 in Schowe   He married Margaretha Roth "Krischdin-Lisse"  born 14.08.1894 in Kischker. Hetzel, Friedrich (ev.)  born approx. 1855 in Schowe, died in Torschau.  He married Elisabetha Schmidt  (born 16.02.1859 in Kischker) on 29.04.1877 in Kischker. There is no record of any sons born to them.  They had two daughters: 1) Rosina Theresia 2) Theresia. Ziwich,Michael (ev.) born approx. 1835 in Schowe.  He married  I.  Theresia Sohl (ev.) (born approx. 1837 in Kischker) on 30.01.1853 in Neu-Schowe.  There is no record of any offspring. He married II. Magdalena Haller (ev.) (born approx. 1840) in approx. 1864 in Neu-Schowe.  They had one son, Philipp, born approx. 1865 in Schowe.  He married Katharina Eidenmueller (ev.) born 20.04.1869 in Kischker.  There is no record of any offspring. I don't think that this is much help for you, but perhaps if someone else has some Schowe records, these people might be connected with your wife's ancestors. Roy On Friday, July 11, 2014 2:00:29 AM, Manfred Roux <manfred@roux.de> wrote: I am married to Renate Krüger, nee Hetzel, daughter of Ludwig Hetzel (born 22 Jun 1922, Alt Schowe) and Theresia Ziwich (born 4 Apr 1923, Alt Schowe). Does anyone have information about the heritage of Ludwig Hetzel? Any information or lead would be welcome. Manfred Roux 71067 Sindelfingen Germany ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am married to Renate Krüger, nee Hetzel, daughter of Ludwig Hetzel (born 22 Jun 1922, Alt Schowe) and Theresia Ziwich (born 4 Apr 1923, Alt Schowe). Does anyone have information about the heritage of Ludwig Hetzel? Any information or lead would be welcome. Manfred Roux 71067 Sindelfingen Germany

HI Susan- Thanks for your help. I did manage to find my Tumele (Dumele, etc) roots and tree, but in this case you really do need to have a solid foundation, ie a couple exact names and dates to start with, because half the village of Glogowatz are Tumeles! I found many, many Tumeles and recorded theri names, but after a while I stopped recording as I scrolled through the archives and simply recorded the ones who were related directly to my family, because there are several Tumele families. I'm sure they eventually share common ancestors, but we're talking in the 18th or even 17th centuries. By the 19th there were many branches already. If I can help in some way I'd be happy to, but right now I'm tracking the Meisel family. The only Tumele who I can't seem to find conclusive info about is Anna Tumele, born in 1889 in Baumgarten/Livada. She married Boldhizar Bleichner, from Glogowatz (though she was from Baumgarten), and he was living in Tipar. I even went to Tipar to look through the records and we did not find any record of their deaths or children, and there is no record in Livada either. But again, there are several Anna Tumeles so it's difficult to research. -Mark On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Susan Sander <swan1200@hotmail.com> wrote: > Mark -- I am the Village Coordinator for Glogowatz ... > > Your e-mail with the mention of Dumelle caught my eye. > I have been in touch with Bob Hein ... he has Dumelle ancestors > and has been trying to trace their origination. > > If you have not been in touch with him, I could help you ...or him. > > I commend your efforts to find cousins. Good luck to you. > > I have family from Glogowatz and have found cousins living in > Sindelfingen. Many people from Glogowatz settled in or near > Sindelfingen. > > Have you ever been in contact with Erwin Kilzheimer ... he wrote the > Glogowatz Familienbuch and does live in Sindelfingen. I could give > you his e-mail address. > > I'll print this e-mail out and see if I can find any of those surnames in > the Glogowatz familienbuch. > > Looking forward to hearing from you. > > Susan Williams nee Sander > > > From: revensen@comcast.net > > To: pinkfork13@gmail.com; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:28:27 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] in Germany now searching for Meisel, Schonecker > > > > > Mark, > > I suggest you also look through Facebook. My ex-Banaters and Germans are > > now online and certainly many of their children correspond with each > other > > via Facebook. > > > > Robert Evensen > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Shipley > > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:53 AM > > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [DVHH] in Germany now searching for Meisel, Schonecker > > > > Hello fellow Schwabs, > > > > Eine schlechte Übersetzung von Deutsch googletranslate werden folgen. > > > > I am Mark Shipley from Chicago, IL. My mother was daughter of Elizabeth > > Meiszl, born 6 Aug, 1912 in Baumgarten/Fakert, Hungary In Arad County, > now > > Livada, Romania. Elizabeth Meiszl's parents were Theresa Tumele and > Joszef > > Meiszl, both born in Fakert/Livada. > > > > I spent last December in Arad, Romania, at the state archives, and with > > trips to the communities of Livada and Horia (historically "NeuPanat"). I > > have uncovered much of the family tree, but of course the archives stop > > when the families migrated. I am particularly concerned with finding our > > second cousins- the children of my grandmother's cousins, who are likely > > still alive in Germany. My grandmother's mother had 2 sisters who never > > left: Anna Tumele and Katalin Tumele, and her father had 2 brothers whose > > families stayed through the 1930s at least- Martin Meiszl and Jacob > Meiszl > > (died Horia, 1930). Tumele is almost always spelled Tumele but sometimes > > Dumele or Dumelle, such as in the Ellis Island records and a few of the > > church records. Meiszl was the Hungarian spelling- in modern archives it > > was generally written with an e- Meisel, and only long ago was spelled > > Mauszl in some of the first records in the mid 19th century. > > > > I have tracked much of the Tumele side- now Wilz- but I cannot find > records > > of many of the Meisels after WW2. I may write another e-mail later > > inquiring about the Tumele ancestors, but here I'll focus on the > Meisels. I > > will use the spellings as I recorded them from the church records from > > Livada and Horia. Jacob was born in Livada but appears to have gone back > to > > Horia to have many of his children. > > > > I am in Stuttgart right now for the next week, and in Europe for 1-4 more > > months, and I would like to learn the whereabouts of any of these > families. > > My goal is to meet any of my mother's second cousins who are still > alive. I > > have included all of the information that I have. > > > > They are all descendants of 2 brothers: Jacob and Martin. Jacob had 7 > > children with Catharina Ianson. They are Joszef, Ferencz, Jacob, > Magdolna, > > Janos, Katalin, and Anton (in order of birth). > > > > JACOB MEISZL, born 9 Dec, 1872, died 1930. Married CATHARINA IANSON. > > Children were: > > > > JOSZEF, born 1894, married KATALINA RIPPEL and had at least 2 children: > > JOSEF- born 11 April, 1923 in Horia. And CATHARINA- born 23 April, 1926 > in > > Livada. > > > > FERENCZ, born 13 June, 1899 (in Horia?), died 22 April, 1933 in > Timisoara. > > > > JACOB born 27 May, 1902, married ELISABETHA HOFFMAN in Arad. Died 2 July, > > 1946. > > > > MAGDOLNA, born 27 February, 1905. > > > > JANOS, born 27 July, 1907, married MAGDALENA SCHONECKER 31 January, 1932 > in > > Horia. Says that he was a shoemaker and she was a laborer > > > > KATALIN, born 13 February, 1910, factory worker. married ANDREI > SCHONECKER, > > woodworker. Had daughter MARGARETA, born 13 April, 1935 > > > > ANTON- born 2 Dec, 1919, died in 1941 in battle in World War 2. > > > > > > It is quite possible that JOSEF (JR.), CATHARINA, MARGARETA SCHONECKER, > or > > any of the children of these 7 Meisels could still be alive. Many of them > > have children I'm sure, I just don't have the records for them because > the > > families appear to have left the area sometime around the second world > war. > > > > MARTIN MEISZL, brother of JACOB (who had the 7 children above), had 3 > > children: FERENCZ, JOSEF, and KATALIN. > > > > FERENCZ, born 1888, married BARBOLOVAL WOLF in 1911, had FULOP on 5 > April, > > 1914. There is contradicting information about Ferencz, because in 2 > places > > it says that he died on the Russian Front in World War 1 in 1915, and > then > > in other records it shows him having another child- ANNA, born 1919, who > > married ERNEST HARTMAN in 1940, and died in 1945. I met her daughter, > also > > ANNA, who has a sister ROZALIA who lives in Germany. Anna didn't know > > anything about the extended Meisel family because her mother and > > grandfather both died so young and she didn't know either of them. > Perhaps > > they thought Ferencz had died but he hadn't, but it is sure that he died > > before his grandaughter Anna had met him. > > > > JOSEF, born in 1897, married ROZAL KOVACS in 1918 and there is no record > of > > their children. > > > > KATALIN, born 1899, married LENARD LEPTICH in 1917, and they had MARIA > ANNA > > LEPTICH, born 12 October, 1919. KATALIN died on 26 January, 1971. > > > > > > I would deeply appreciate any information on these families. I feel that > if > > I find a couple good sources I may be able to learn a lot more about the > > extended family. I do not know where I can further search beside the > German > > phonebook, making randomized phone calls, which so far has worked very > > poorly as people are very reluctant in Germany to talk to strangers about > > their family over the phone. > > > > Thank you. > > -Mark Shipley > > US (001)7732178178 > > German (0049) 160-95297021 > > > > ----------------- > > > > Ich bin Mark Shipley aus Chicago, IL. Meine Mutter war die Tochter von > > Elizabeth Meiszl, geboren am 6. August 1912 in Baumgarten / Fakert, > Ungarn > > In Arad County, jetzt Livada, Rumänien. Elizabeth Meiszl Eltern waren > > Theresa Tumele und Joszef Meiszl, sowohl in Fakert / Livada geboren. > > > > Ich habe im Dezember letzten Jahres in Arad, Rumänien, an den > > Staatsarchiven und mit Ausflügen in den Gemeinden Livada und Horia > > (historisch "Neupanat"). Ich habe viel von der Stammbaum, aber natürlich > > die Archive Anschlag aufgedeckt, als die Familien migriert. Besonders > > besorgt bin ich mit der Suche nach unserem zweiten Vettern-die Kinder der > > Cousins ​​meiner Großmutter, die wahrscheinlich noch am Leben in > > Deutschland sind. Meine Großmutter Mutter hatte zwei Schwestern, die nie > > verlassen: Anna Tumele und Katalin Tumele, und ihr Vater hatte zwei > Brüder, > > deren Familien blieben in den 1930er Jahren zumindest Meiszl-Martin und > > Jakob Meiszl (gestorben Horia, 1930). Tumele ist fast immer geschrieben, > > aber manchmal Tumele Dumele oder Dumelle, wie in den Ellis Island Records > > und ein paar von den Kirchenbüchern. Meiszl war die ungarische > > Rechtschreibung-Archiven in der modernen Zeit wurde allgemein mit einer > > E-Meisel geschrieben, und erst vor kurzem wurde in einigen der ersten > > Datensätze in der Mitte des 19. Jahrhunderts Mauszl buchstabiert. > > > > Ich habe viel von Ketten die Tumele Neben jetzt Wilz-aber ich kann > > Aufzeichnungen von vielen der Meisels nach dem 2. Weltkrieg gefunden. Ich > > kann eine andere E-Mail-Anfragen über den später Tumele Vorfahren zu > > schreiben, aber hier werde ich auf der Meisels konzentrieren. Ich werde > die > > Schreibweisen benutzen, wie ich sie aufgezeichnet von den Kirchenbüchern > > von Livada und Horia. Jacob wurde im Livada geboren, scheint sich aber > > wieder auf Horia gegangen, um viele seiner Kinder haben. > > > > Ich bin in Stuttgart gerade jetzt für die nächste Woche, in Europa für > 1-4 > > Monate, und ich möchte, um den Aufenthaltsort einer dieser Familien > lernen. > > Mein Ziel ist es zu einem zweiten Cousins ​​meiner Mutter, die noch am > > Leben sind zu erfüllen. Ich habe alle Informationen, die ich habe > > enthalten. > > > > Sie alle sind Nachkommen von zwei Brüder: Jacob und Martin. Jacob hatte 7 > > Kinder mit Catharina Ianson. Sie sind Joszef, Ferencz, Jakob, Magdolna, > > Janos, Katalin und Anton (in der Reihenfolge der Geburt). > > > > JACOB MEISZL, geboren am 9. Dezember 1872, gestorben 1930. Heiratete > > Catharina IAnson. Kinder waren: > > > > JOSZEF, geboren 1894, verheiratet KATALINA RIPPEL und hatte mindestens > zwei > > Kinder: JOSEF geboren 11. April 1923 in Horia. Und Catharina geboren 23. > > April 1926 in Livada. > > > > FERENCZ, geb. 13. Juni 1899 (in Horia?), Gestorben 22. April 1933 in > > Timisoara. > > > > JACOB, geboren 27. Mai 1902, heiratete ELISABETHA HOFFMAN in Arad. > > Gestorben 2. Juli 1946. > > > > Magdolna, geboren am 27. Februar 1905. > > > > JANOS, geboren am 27. Juli 1907, heiratete MAGDALENA Schönecker 31. > Januar > > 1932 in Horia. Sagt, dass er ein Schuster, und sie war ein Arbeiter > > > > KATALIN, geboren am 13. Februar 1910, Fabrikarbeiter. verheiratet ANDREI > > Schönecker, Schreiner. Hatte Tochter MARGARETA, geb. 13. April 1935 > > > > ANTON geboren 2. Dezember 1919, starb 1941 in der Schlacht im 2. > Weltkrieg. > > > > > > Es ist durchaus möglich, dass JOSEF (Jr.), CATHARINA, MARGARETA > Schönecker, > > oder eines der Kinder dieser 7 Meisels könnte noch am Leben sein. Viele > von > > ihnen haben Kinder, ich bin mir sicher, ich weiß nur nicht die Datensätze > > für sie, weil die Familien erscheinen, um den Bereich irgendwann um den > > zweiten Weltkrieg verlassen haben. > > > > MARTIN MEISZL, der Bruder von Jacob (der die Kinder über 7 hatte), hatte > 3 > > Kinder: FERENCZ, JOSEF und KATALIN. > > > > FERENCZ, geboren 1888, verheiratet BARBOLOVAL WOLF 1911, hatte FULOP am > 5. > > April 1914. Es gibt widersprüchliche Informationen über Ferencz, denn an > 2 > > Stellen heißt es, dass er starb an der russischen Front im 1. Weltkrieg > im > > Jahr 1915, und dann in anderen Aufzeichnungen es zeigt ihn mit einem > > anderen Kind-ANNA, geboren 1919, der ERNEST HARTMAN 1940 verheiratet und > > starb im Jahre 1945. ich ihre Tochter, auch Anna, die eine Schwester > > Rozalia, die in Deutschland lebt, hat getroffen. Anna wusste nicht, > nichts > > über die erweiterte Familie Meisel, weil ihre Mutter und Großvater > starben > > beide so jung und sie wusste nicht, einer von ihnen. Vielleicht dachte > sie > > Ferencz war gestorben, aber er nicht gehabt, aber es ist sicher, dass er > > starb, bevor seine Enkelin Anna ihn getroffen hatte. > > > > JOSEF, geboren 1897, verheiratet ROZAL KOVACS 1918 und es gibt keine > > Aufzeichnungen über ihre Kinder. > > > > KATALIN, geboren 1899, verheiratet LENARD LEPTICH im Jahre 1917, und sie > > hatten ANNA MARIA LEPTICH, geboren am 12. Oktober 1919. KATALIN starb am > > 26. Januar, 1971. > > > > > > Ich würde sehr dankbar für jegliche Informationen zu diesen Familien. Ich > > glaube, dass, wenn ich finde, ein paar gute Quellen kann ich in der Lage, > > viel mehr über die Großfamilie zu lernen. Ich weiß nicht, wo ich kann > > weiter neben dem deutschen Telefonbuch zu suchen, so dass randomisierte > > Telefonanrufe, die bisher nur sehr schlecht funktioniert, wie die > Menschen > > sind sehr zurückhaltend in Deutschland, mit Fremden über ihre Familie > über > > das Telefon sprechen. > > > > Danke. > > -Mark Shipley > > USA (001) 7732178178 > > Deutsch (0049) 160-95297021 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- "My mind is like a parachute: it doesn't work if it's not open." Frank Zappa

Hello fellow Schwabs, Eine schlechte Übersetzung von Deutsch googletranslate werden folgen. I am Mark Shipley from Chicago, IL. My mother was daughter of Elizabeth Meiszl, born 6 Aug, 1912 in Baumgarten/Fakert, Hungary In Arad County, now Livada, Romania. Elizabeth Meiszl's parents were Theresa Tumele and Joszef Meiszl, both born in Fakert/Livada. I spent last December in Arad, Romania, at the state archives, and with trips to the communities of Livada and Horia (historically "NeuPanat"). I have uncovered much of the family tree, but of course the archives stop when the families migrated. I am particularly concerned with finding our second cousins- the children of my grandmother's cousins, who are likely still alive in Germany. My grandmother's mother had 2 sisters who never left: Anna Tumele and Katalin Tumele, and her father had 2 brothers whose families stayed through the 1930s at least- Martin Meiszl and Jacob Meiszl (died Horia, 1930). Tumele is almost always spelled Tumele but sometimes Dumele or Dumelle, such as in the Ellis Island records and a few of the church records. Meiszl was the Hungarian spelling- in modern archives it was generally written with an e- Meisel, and only long ago was spelled Mauszl in some of the first records in the mid 19th century. I have tracked much of the Tumele side- now Wilz- but I cannot find records of many of the Meisels after WW2. I may write another e-mail later inquiring about the Tumele ancestors, but here I'll focus on the Meisels. I will use the spellings as I recorded them from the church records from Livada and Horia. Jacob was born in Livada but appears to have gone back to Horia to have many of his children. I am in Stuttgart right now for the next week, and in Europe for 1-4 more months, and I would like to learn the whereabouts of any of these families. My goal is to meet any of my mother's second cousins who are still alive. I have included all of the information that I have. They are all descendants of 2 brothers: Jacob and Martin. Jacob had 7 children with Catharina Ianson. They are Joszef, Ferencz, Jacob, Magdolna, Janos, Katalin, and Anton (in order of birth). JACOB MEISZL, born 9 Dec, 1872, died 1930. Married CATHARINA IANSON. Children were: JOSZEF, born 1894, married KATALINA RIPPEL and had at least 2 children: JOSEF- born 11 April, 1923 in Horia. And CATHARINA- born 23 April, 1926 in Livada. FERENCZ, born 13 June, 1899 (in Horia?), died 22 April, 1933 in Timisoara. JACOB born 27 May, 1902, married ELISABETHA HOFFMAN in Arad. Died 2 July, 1946. MAGDOLNA, born 27 February, 1905. JANOS, born 27 July, 1907, married MAGDALENA SCHONECKER 31 January, 1932 in Horia. Says that he was a shoemaker and she was a laborer KATALIN, born 13 February, 1910, factory worker. married ANDREI SCHONECKER, woodworker. Had daughter MARGARETA, born 13 April, 1935 ANTON- born 2 Dec, 1919, died in 1941 in battle in World War 2. It is quite possible that JOSEF (JR.), CATHARINA, MARGARETA SCHONECKER, or any of the children of these 7 Meisels could still be alive. Many of them have children I'm sure, I just don't have the records for them because the families appear to have left the area sometime around the second world war. MARTIN MEISZL, brother of JACOB (who had the 7 children above), had 3 children: FERENCZ, JOSEF, and KATALIN. FERENCZ, born 1888, married BARBOLOVAL WOLF in 1911, had FULOP on 5 April, 1914. There is contradicting information about Ferencz, because in 2 places it says that he died on the Russian Front in World War 1 in 1915, and then in other records it shows him having another child- ANNA, born 1919, who married ERNEST HARTMAN in 1940, and died in 1945. I met her daughter, also ANNA, who has a sister ROZALIA who lives in Germany. Anna didn't know anything about the extended Meisel family because her mother and grandfather both died so young and she didn't know either of them. Perhaps they thought Ferencz had died but he hadn't, but it is sure that he died before his grandaughter Anna had met him. JOSEF, born in 1897, married ROZAL KOVACS in 1918 and there is no record of their children. KATALIN, born 1899, married LENARD LEPTICH in 1917, and they had MARIA ANNA LEPTICH, born 12 October, 1919. KATALIN died on 26 January, 1971. I would deeply appreciate any information on these families. I feel that if I find a couple good sources I may be able to learn a lot more about the extended family. I do not know where I can further search beside the German phonebook, making randomized phone calls, which so far has worked very poorly as people are very reluctant in Germany to talk to strangers about their family over the phone. Thank you. -Mark Shipley US (001)7732178178 German (0049) 160-95297021 ----------------- Ich bin Mark Shipley aus Chicago, IL. Meine Mutter war die Tochter von Elizabeth Meiszl, geboren am 6. August 1912 in Baumgarten / Fakert, Ungarn In Arad County, jetzt Livada, Rumänien. Elizabeth Meiszl Eltern waren Theresa Tumele und Joszef Meiszl, sowohl in Fakert / Livada geboren. Ich habe im Dezember letzten Jahres in Arad, Rumänien, an den Staatsarchiven und mit Ausflügen in den Gemeinden Livada und Horia (historisch "Neupanat"). Ich habe viel von der Stammbaum, aber natürlich die Archive Anschlag aufgedeckt, als die Familien migriert. Besonders besorgt bin ich mit der Suche nach unserem zweiten Vettern-die Kinder der Cousins ​​meiner Großmutter, die wahrscheinlich noch am Leben in Deutschland sind. Meine Großmutter Mutter hatte zwei Schwestern, die nie verlassen: Anna Tumele und Katalin Tumele, und ihr Vater hatte zwei Brüder, deren Familien blieben in den 1930er Jahren zumindest Meiszl-Martin und Jakob Meiszl (gestorben Horia, 1930). Tumele ist fast immer geschrieben, aber manchmal Tumele Dumele oder Dumelle, wie in den Ellis Island Records und ein paar von den Kirchenbüchern. Meiszl war die ungarische Rechtschreibung-Archiven in der modernen Zeit wurde allgemein mit einer E-Meisel geschrieben, und erst vor kurzem wurde in einigen der ersten Datensätze in der Mitte des 19. Jahrhunderts Mauszl buchstabiert. Ich habe viel von Ketten die Tumele Neben jetzt Wilz-aber ich kann Aufzeichnungen von vielen der Meisels nach dem 2. Weltkrieg gefunden. Ich kann eine andere E-Mail-Anfragen über den später Tumele Vorfahren zu schreiben, aber hier werde ich auf der Meisels konzentrieren. Ich werde die Schreibweisen benutzen, wie ich sie aufgezeichnet von den Kirchenbüchern von Livada und Horia. Jacob wurde im Livada geboren, scheint sich aber wieder auf Horia gegangen, um viele seiner Kinder haben. Ich bin in Stuttgart gerade jetzt für die nächste Woche, in Europa für 1-4 Monate, und ich möchte, um den Aufenthaltsort einer dieser Familien lernen. Mein Ziel ist es zu einem zweiten Cousins ​​meiner Mutter, die noch am Leben sind zu erfüllen. Ich habe alle Informationen, die ich habe enthalten. Sie alle sind Nachkommen von zwei Brüder: Jacob und Martin. Jacob hatte 7 Kinder mit Catharina Ianson. Sie sind Joszef, Ferencz, Jakob, Magdolna, Janos, Katalin und Anton (in der Reihenfolge der Geburt). JACOB MEISZL, geboren am 9. Dezember 1872, gestorben 1930. Heiratete Catharina IAnson. Kinder waren: JOSZEF, geboren 1894, verheiratet KATALINA RIPPEL und hatte mindestens zwei Kinder: JOSEF geboren 11. April 1923 in Horia. Und Catharina geboren 23. April 1926 in Livada. FERENCZ, geb. 13. Juni 1899 (in Horia?), Gestorben 22. April 1933 in Timisoara. JACOB, geboren 27. Mai 1902, heiratete ELISABETHA HOFFMAN in Arad. Gestorben 2. Juli 1946. Magdolna, geboren am 27. Februar 1905. JANOS, geboren am 27. Juli 1907, heiratete MAGDALENA Schönecker 31. Januar 1932 in Horia. Sagt, dass er ein Schuster, und sie war ein Arbeiter KATALIN, geboren am 13. Februar 1910, Fabrikarbeiter. verheiratet ANDREI Schönecker, Schreiner. Hatte Tochter MARGARETA, geb. 13. April 1935 ANTON geboren 2. Dezember 1919, starb 1941 in der Schlacht im 2. Weltkrieg. Es ist durchaus möglich, dass JOSEF (Jr.), CATHARINA, MARGARETA Schönecker, oder eines der Kinder dieser 7 Meisels könnte noch am Leben sein. Viele von ihnen haben Kinder, ich bin mir sicher, ich weiß nur nicht die Datensätze für sie, weil die Familien erscheinen, um den Bereich irgendwann um den zweiten Weltkrieg verlassen haben. MARTIN MEISZL, der Bruder von Jacob (der die Kinder über 7 hatte), hatte 3 Kinder: FERENCZ, JOSEF und KATALIN. FERENCZ, geboren 1888, verheiratet BARBOLOVAL WOLF 1911, hatte FULOP am 5. April 1914. Es gibt widersprüchliche Informationen über Ferencz, denn an 2 Stellen heißt es, dass er starb an der russischen Front im 1. Weltkrieg im Jahr 1915, und dann in anderen Aufzeichnungen es zeigt ihn mit einem anderen Kind-ANNA, geboren 1919, der ERNEST HARTMAN 1940 verheiratet und starb im Jahre 1945. ich ihre Tochter, auch Anna, die eine Schwester Rozalia, die in Deutschland lebt, hat getroffen. Anna wusste nicht, nichts über die erweiterte Familie Meisel, weil ihre Mutter und Großvater starben beide so jung und sie wusste nicht, einer von ihnen. Vielleicht dachte sie Ferencz war gestorben, aber er nicht gehabt, aber es ist sicher, dass er starb, bevor seine Enkelin Anna ihn getroffen hatte. JOSEF, geboren 1897, verheiratet ROZAL KOVACS 1918 und es gibt keine Aufzeichnungen über ihre Kinder. KATALIN, geboren 1899, verheiratet LENARD LEPTICH im Jahre 1917, und sie hatten ANNA MARIA LEPTICH, geboren am 12. Oktober 1919. KATALIN starb am 26. Januar, 1971. Ich würde sehr dankbar für jegliche Informationen zu diesen Familien. Ich glaube, dass, wenn ich finde, ein paar gute Quellen kann ich in der Lage, viel mehr über die Großfamilie zu lernen. Ich weiß nicht, wo ich kann weiter neben dem deutschen Telefonbuch zu suchen, so dass randomisierte Telefonanrufe, die bisher nur sehr schlecht funktioniert, wie die Menschen sind sehr zurückhaltend in Deutschland, mit Fremden über ihre Familie über das Telefon sprechen. Danke. -Mark Shipley USA (001) 7732178178 Deutsch (0049) 160-95297021

Have you tried contacting ITS in Bad Arolsen? I requested a search of my in-laws who were born in Tscherwenka. I knew they emigrated to NY but was curious as to their whereabouts during the war. The letter I received told me where they registered during the war and the last line was when & where they emigrated. Noelle https://www.its-arolsen.org/en/inquiries-by-family-members/application-forms/index.html#c503 Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 10, 2014, at 1:47 PM, Mark Shipley <pinkfork13@gmail.com> wrote: > > HI Susan- > > Thanks for your help. I did manage to find my Tumele (Dumele, etc) roots > and tree, but in this case you really do need to have a solid foundation, > ie a couple exact names and dates to start with, because half the village > of Glogowatz are Tumeles! I found many, many Tumeles and recorded theri > names, but after a while I stopped recording as I scrolled through the > archives and simply recorded the ones who were related directly to my > family, because there are several Tumele families. I'm sure they eventually > share common ancestors, but we're talking in the 18th or even 17th > centuries. By the 19th there were many branches already. > > If I can help in some way I'd be happy to, but right now I'm tracking the > Meisel family. The only Tumele who I can't seem to find conclusive info > about is Anna Tumele, born in 1889 in Baumgarten/Livada. She married > Boldhizar Bleichner, from Glogowatz (though she was from Baumgarten), and > he was living in Tipar. I even went to Tipar to look through the records > and we did not find any record of their deaths or children, and there is no > record in Livada either. But again, there are several Anna Tumeles so it's > difficult to research. > > -Mark > > >> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Susan Sander <swan1200@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Mark -- I am the Village Coordinator for Glogowatz ... >> >> Your e-mail with the mention of Dumelle caught my eye. >> I have been in touch with Bob Hein ... he has Dumelle ancestors >> and has been trying to trace their origination. >> >> If you have not been in touch with him, I could help you ...or him. >> >> I commend your efforts to find cousins. Good luck to you. >> >> I have family from Glogowatz and have found cousins living in >> Sindelfingen. Many people from Glogowatz settled in or near >> Sindelfingen. >> >> Have you ever been in contact with Erwin Kilzheimer ... he wrote the >> Glogowatz Familienbuch and does live in Sindelfingen. I could give >> you his e-mail address. >> >> I'll print this e-mail out and see if I can find any of those surnames in >> the Glogowatz familienbuch. >> >> Looking forward to hearing from you. >> >> Susan Williams nee Sander >> >>> From: revensen@comcast.net >>> To: pinkfork13@gmail.com; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:28:27 -0400 >>> Sub

Mark -- I am the Village Coordinator for Glogowatz ... Your e-mail with the mention of Dumelle caught my eye. I have been in touch with Bob Hein ... he has Dumelle ancestors and has been trying to trace their origination. If you have not been in touch with him, I could help you ...or him. I commend your efforts to find cousins. Good luck to you. I have family from Glogowatz and have found cousins living in Sindelfingen. Many people from Glogowatz settled in or near Sindelfingen. Have you ever been in contact with Erwin Kilzheimer ... he wrote the Glogowatz Familienbuch and does live in Sindelfingen. I could give you his e-mail address. I'll print this e-mail out and see if I can find any of those surnames in the Glogowatz familienbuch. Looking forward to hearing from you. Susan Williams nee Sander > From: revensen@comcast.net > To: pinkfork13@gmail.com; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:28:27 -0400 > Subject: Re: [DVHH] in Germany now searching for Meisel, Schonecker > > Mark, > I suggest you also look through Facebook. My ex-Banaters and Germans are > now online and certainly many of their children correspond with each other > via Facebook. > > Robert Evensen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Shipley > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:53 AM > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DVHH] in Germany now searching for Meisel, Schonecker > > Hello fellow Schwabs, > > Eine schlechte Übersetzung von Deutsch googletranslate werden folgen. > > I am Mark Shipley from Chicago, IL. My mother was daughter of Elizabeth > Meiszl, born 6 Aug, 1912 in Baumgarten/Fakert, Hungary In Arad County, now > Livada, Romania. Elizabeth Meiszl's parents were Theresa Tumele and Joszef > Meiszl, both born in Fakert/Livada. > > I spent last December in Arad, Romania, at the state archives, and with > trips to the communities of Livada and Horia (historically "NeuPanat"). I > have uncovered much of the family tree, but of course the archives stop > when the families migrated. I am particularly concerned with finding our > second cousins- the children of my grandmother's cousins, who are likely > still alive in Germany. My grandmother's mother had 2 sisters who never > left: Anna Tumele and Katalin Tumele, and her father had 2 brothers whose > families stayed through the 1930s at least- Martin Meiszl and Jacob Meiszl > (died Horia, 1930). Tumele is almost always spelled Tumele but sometimes > Dumele or Dumelle, such as in the Ellis Island records and a few of the > church records. Meiszl was the Hungarian spelling- in modern archives it > was generally written with an e- Meisel, and only long ago was spelled > Mauszl in some of the first records in the mid 19th century. > > I have tracked much of the Tumele side- now Wilz- but I cannot find records > of many of the Meisels after WW2. I may write another e-mail later > inquiring about the Tumele ancestors, but here I'll focus on the Meisels. I > will use the spellings as I recorded them from the church records from > Livada and Horia. Jacob was born in Livada but appears to have gone back to > Horia to have many of his children. > > I am in Stuttgart right now for the next week, and in Europe for 1-4 more > months, and I would like to learn the whereabouts of any of these families. > My goal is to meet any of my mother's second cousins who are still alive. I > have included all of the information that I have. > > They are all descendants of 2 brothers: Jacob and Martin. Jacob had 7 > children with Catharina Ianson. They are Joszef, Ferencz, Jacob, Magdolna, > Janos, Katalin, and Anton (in order of birth). > > JACOB MEISZL, born 9 Dec, 1872, died 1930. Married CATHARINA IANSON. > Children were: > > JOSZEF, born 1894, married KATALINA RIPPEL and had at least 2 children: > JOSEF- born 11 April, 1923 in Horia. And CATHARINA- born 23 April, 1926 in > Livada. > > FERENCZ, born 13 June, 1899 (in Horia?), died 22 April, 1933 in Timisoara. > > JACOB born 27 May, 1902, married ELISABETHA HOFFMAN in Arad. Died 2 July, > 1946. > > MAGDOLNA, born 27 February, 1905. > > JANOS, born 27 July, 1907, married MAGDALENA SCHONECKER 31 January, 1932 in > Horia. Says that he was a shoemaker and she was a laborer > > KATALIN, born 13 February, 1910, factory worker. married ANDREI SCHONECKER, > woodworker. Had daughter MARGARETA, born 13 April, 1935 > > ANTON- born 2 Dec, 1919, died in 1941 in battle in World War 2. > > > It is quite possible that JOSEF (JR.), CATHARINA, MARGARETA SCHONECKER, or > any of the children of these 7 Meisels could still be alive. Many of them > have children I'm sure, I just don't have the records for them because the > families appear to have left the area sometime around the second world war. > > MARTIN MEISZL, brother of JACOB (who had the 7 children above), had 3 > children: FERENCZ, JOSEF, and KATALIN. > > FERENCZ, born 1888, married BARBOLOVAL WOLF in 1911, had FULOP on 5 April, > 1914. There is contradicting information about Ferencz, because in 2 places > it says that he died on the Russian Front in World War 1 in 1915, and then > in other records it shows him having another child- ANNA, born 1919, who > married ERNEST HARTMAN in 1940, and died in 1945. I met her daughter, also > ANNA, who has a sister ROZALIA who lives in Germany. Anna didn't know > anything about the extended Meisel family because her mother and > grandfather both died so young and she didn't know either of them. Perhaps > they thought Ferencz had died but he hadn't, but it is sure that he died > before his grandaughter Anna had met him. > > JOSEF, born in 1897, married ROZAL KOVACS in 1918 and there is no record of > their children. > > KATALIN, born 1899, married LENARD LEPTICH in 1917, and they had MARIA ANNA > LEPTICH, born 12 October, 1919. KATALIN died on 26 January, 1971. > > > I would deeply appreciate any information on these families. I feel that if > I find a couple good sources I may be able to learn a lot more about the > extended family. I do not know where I can further search beside the German > phonebook, making randomized phone calls, which so far has worked very > poorly as people are very reluctant in Germany to talk to strangers about > their family over the phone. > > Thank you. > -Mark Shipley > US (001)7732178178 > German (0049) 160-95297021 > > ----------------- > > Ich bin Mark Shipley aus Chicago, IL. Meine Mutter war die Tochter von > Elizabeth Meiszl, geboren am 6. August 1912 in Baumgarten / Fakert, Ungarn > In Arad County, jetzt Livada, Rumänien. Elizabeth Meiszl Eltern waren > Theresa Tumele und Joszef Meiszl, sowohl in Fakert / Livada geboren. > > Ich habe im Dezember letzten Jahres in Arad, Rumänien, an den > Staatsarchiven und mit Ausflügen in den Gemeinden Livada und Horia > (historisch "Neupanat"). Ich habe viel von der Stammbaum, aber natürlich > die Archive Anschlag aufgedeckt, als die Familien migriert. Besonders > besorgt bin ich mit der Suche nach unserem zweiten Vettern-die Kinder der > Cousins ​​meiner Großmutter, die wahrscheinlich noch am Leben in > Deutschland sind. Meine Großmutter Mutter hatte zwei Schwestern, die nie > verlassen: Anna Tumele und Katalin Tumele, und ihr Vater hatte zwei Brüder, > deren Familien blieben in den 1930er Jahren zumindest Meiszl-Martin und > Jakob Meiszl (gestorben Horia, 1930). Tumele ist fast immer geschrieben, > aber manchmal Tumele Dumele oder Dumelle, wie in den Ellis Island Records > und ein paar von den Kirchenbüchern. Meiszl war die ungarische > Rechtschreibung-Archiven in der modernen Zeit wurde allgemein mit einer > E-Meisel geschrieben, und erst vor kurzem wurde in einigen der ersten > Datensätze in der Mitte des 19. Jahrhunderts Mauszl buchstabiert. > > Ich habe viel von Ketten die Tumele Neben jetzt Wilz-aber ich kann > Aufzeichnungen von vielen der Meisels nach dem 2. Weltkrieg gefunden. Ich > kann eine andere E-Mail-Anfragen über den später Tumele Vorfahren zu > schreiben, aber hier werde ich auf der Meisels konzentrieren. Ich werde die > Schreibweisen benutzen, wie ich sie aufgezeichnet von den Kirchenbüchern > von Livada und Horia. Jacob wurde im Livada geboren, scheint sich aber > wieder auf Horia gegangen, um viele seiner Kinder haben. > > Ich bin in Stuttgart gerade jetzt für die nächste Woche, in Europa für 1-4 > Monate, und ich möchte, um den Aufenthaltsort einer dieser Familien lernen. > Mein Ziel ist es zu einem zweiten Cousins ​​meiner Mutter, die noch am > Leben sind zu erfüllen. Ich habe alle Informationen, die ich habe > enthalten. > > Sie alle sind Nachkommen von zwei Brüder: Jacob und Martin. Jacob hatte 7 > Kinder mit Catharina Ianson. Sie sind Joszef, Ferencz, Jakob, Magdolna, > Janos, Katalin und Anton (in der Reihenfolge der Geburt). > > JACOB MEISZL, geboren am 9. Dezember 1872, gestorben 1930. Heiratete > Catharina IAnson. Kinder waren: > > JOSZEF, geboren 1894, verheiratet KATALINA RIPPEL und hatte mindestens zwei > Kinder: JOSEF geboren 11. April 1923 in Horia. Und Catharina geboren 23. > April 1926 in Livada. > > FERENCZ, geb. 13. Juni 1899 (in Horia?), Gestorben 22. April 1933 in > Timisoara. > > JACOB, geboren 27. Mai 1902, heiratete ELISABETHA HOFFMAN in Arad. > Gestorben 2. Juli 1946. > > Magdolna, geboren am 27. Februar 1905. > > JANOS, geboren am 27. Juli 1907, heiratete MAGDALENA Schönecker 31. Januar > 1932 in Horia. Sagt, dass er ein Schuster, und sie war ein Arbeiter > > KATALIN, geboren am 13. Februar 1910, Fabrikarbeiter. verheiratet ANDREI > Schönecker, Schreiner. Hatte Tochter MARGARETA, geb. 13. April 1935 > > ANTON geboren 2. Dezember 1919, starb 1941 in der Schlacht im 2. Weltkrieg. > > > Es ist durchaus möglich, dass JOSEF (Jr.), CATHARINA, MARGARETA Schönecker, > oder eines der Kinder dieser 7 Meisels könnte noch am Leben sein. Viele von > ihnen haben Kinder, ich bin mir sicher, ich weiß nur nicht die Datensätze > für sie, weil die Familien erscheinen, um den Bereich irgendwann um den > zweiten Weltkrieg verlassen haben. > > MARTIN MEISZL, der Bruder von Jacob (der die Kinder über 7 hatte), hatte 3 > Kinder: FERENCZ, JOSEF und KATALIN. > > FERENCZ, geboren 1888, verheiratet BARBOLOVAL WOLF 1911, hatte FULOP am 5. > April 1914. Es gibt widersprüchliche Informationen über Ferencz, denn an 2 > Stellen heißt es, dass er starb an der russischen Front im 1. Weltkrieg im > Jahr 1915, und dann in anderen Aufzeichnungen es zeigt ihn mit einem > anderen Kind-ANNA, geboren 1919, der ERNEST HARTMAN 1940 verheiratet und > starb im Jahre 1945. ich ihre Tochter, auch Anna, die eine Schwester > Rozalia, die in Deutschland lebt, hat getroffen. Anna wusste nicht, nichts > über die erweiterte Familie Meisel, weil ihre Mutter und Großvater starben > beide so jung und sie wusste nicht, einer von ihnen. Vielleicht dachte sie > Ferencz war gestorben, aber er nicht gehabt, aber es ist sicher, dass er > starb, bevor seine Enkelin Anna ihn getroffen hatte. > > JOSEF, geboren 1897, verheiratet ROZAL KOVACS 1918 und es gibt keine > Aufzeichnungen über ihre Kinder. > > KATALIN, geboren 1899, verheiratet LENARD LEPTICH im Jahre 1917, und sie > hatten ANNA MARIA LEPTICH, geboren am 12. Oktober 1919. KATALIN starb am > 26. Januar, 1971. > > > Ich würde sehr dankbar für jegliche Informationen zu diesen Familien. Ich > glaube, dass, wenn ich finde, ein paar gute Quellen kann ich in der Lage, > viel mehr über die Großfamilie zu lernen. Ich weiß nicht, wo ich kann > weiter neben dem deutschen Telefonbuch zu suchen, so dass randomisierte > Telefonanrufe, die bisher nur sehr schlecht funktioniert, wie die Menschen > sind sehr zurückhaltend in Deutschland, mit Fremden über ihre Familie über > das Telefon sprechen. > > Danke. > -Mark Shipley > USA (001) 7732178178 > Deutsch (0049) 160-95297021 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mark, I suggest you also look through Facebook. My ex-Banaters and Germans are now online and certainly many of their children correspond with each other via Facebook. Robert Evensen -----Original Message----- From: Mark Shipley Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:53 AM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] in Germany now searching for Meisel, Schonecker Hello fellow Schwabs, Eine schlechte Übersetzung von Deutsch googletranslate werden folgen. I am Mark Shipley from Chicago, IL. My mother was daughter of Elizabeth Meiszl, born 6 Aug, 1912 in Baumgarten/Fakert, Hungary In Arad County, now Livada, Romania. Elizabeth Meiszl's parents were Theresa Tumele and Joszef Meiszl, both born in Fakert/Livada. I spent last December in Arad, Romania, at the state archives, and with trips to the communities of Livada and Horia (historically "NeuPanat"). I have uncovered much of the family tree, but of course the archives stop when the families migrated. I am particularly concerned with finding our second cousins- the children of my grandmother's cousins, who are likely still alive in Germany. My grandmother's mother had 2 sisters who never left: Anna Tumele and Katalin Tumele, and her father had 2 brothers whose families stayed through the 1930s at least- Martin Meiszl and Jacob Meiszl (died Horia, 1930). Tumele is almost always spelled Tumele but sometimes Dumele or Dumelle, such as in the Ellis Island records and a few of the church records. Meiszl was the Hungarian spelling- in modern archives it was generally written with an e- Meisel, and only long ago was spelled Mauszl in some of the first records in the mid 19th century. I have tracked much of the Tumele side- now Wilz- but I cannot find records of many of the Meisels after WW2. I may write another e-mail later inquiring about the Tumele ancestors, but here I'll focus on the Meisels. I will use the spellings as I recorded them from the church records from Livada and Horia. Jacob was born in Livada but appears to have gone back to Horia to have many of his children. I am in Stuttgart right now for the next week, and in Europe for 1-4 more months, and I would like to learn the whereabouts of any of these families. My goal is to meet any of my mother's second cousins who are still alive. I have included all of the information that I have. They are all descendants of 2 brothers: Jacob and Martin. Jacob had 7 children with Catharina Ianson. They are Joszef, Ferencz, Jacob, Magdolna, Janos, Katalin, and Anton (in order of birth). JACOB MEISZL, born 9 Dec, 1872, died 1930. Married CATHARINA IANSON. Children were: JOSZEF, born 1894, married KATALINA RIPPEL and had at least 2 children: JOSEF- born 11 April, 1923 in Horia. And CATHARINA- born 23 April, 1926 in Livada. FERENCZ, born 13 June, 1899 (in Horia?), died 22 April, 1933 in Timisoara. JACOB born 27 May, 1902, married ELISABETHA HOFFMAN in Arad. Died 2 July, 1946. MAGDOLNA, born 27 February, 1905. JANOS, born 27 July, 1907, married MAGDALENA SCHONECKER 31 January, 1932 in Horia. Says that he was a shoemaker and she was a laborer KATALIN, born 13 February, 1910, factory worker. married ANDREI SCHONECKER, woodworker. Had daughter MARGARETA, born 13 April, 1935 ANTON- born 2 Dec, 1919, died in 1941 in battle in World War 2. It is quite possible that JOSEF (JR.), CATHARINA, MARGARETA SCHONECKER, or any of the children of these 7 Meisels could still be alive. Many of them have children I'm sure, I just don't have the records for them because the families appear to have left the area sometime around the second world war. MARTIN MEISZL, brother of JACOB (who had the 7 children above), had 3 children: FERENCZ, JOSEF, and KATALIN. FERENCZ, born 1888, married BARBOLOVAL WOLF in 1911, had FULOP on 5 April, 1914. There is contradicting information about Ferencz, because in 2 places it says that he died on the Russian Front in World War 1 in 1915, and then in other records it shows him having another child- ANNA, born 1919, who married ERNEST HARTMAN in 1940, and died in 1945. I met her daughter, also ANNA, who has a sister ROZALIA who lives in Germany. Anna didn't know anything about the extended Meisel family because her mother and grandfather both died so young and she didn't know either of them. Perhaps they thought Ferencz had died but he hadn't, but it is sure that he died before his grandaughter Anna had met him. JOSEF, born in 1897, married ROZAL KOVACS in 1918 and there is no record of their children. KATALIN, born 1899, married LENARD LEPTICH in 1917, and they had MARIA ANNA LEPTICH, born 12 October, 1919. KATALIN died on 26 January, 1971. I would deeply appreciate any information on these families. I feel that if I find a couple good sources I may be able to learn a lot more about the extended family. I do not know where I can further search beside the German phonebook, making randomized phone calls, which so far has worked very poorly as people are very reluctant in Germany to talk to strangers about their family over the phone. Thank you. -Mark Shipley US (001)7732178178 German (0049) 160-95297021 ----------------- Ich bin Mark Shipley aus Chicago, IL. Meine Mutter war die Tochter von Elizabeth Meiszl, geboren am 6. August 1912 in Baumgarten / Fakert, Ungarn In Arad County, jetzt Livada, Rumänien. Elizabeth Meiszl Eltern waren Theresa Tumele und Joszef Meiszl, sowohl in Fakert / Livada geboren. Ich habe im Dezember letzten Jahres in Arad, Rumänien, an den Staatsarchiven und mit Ausflügen in den Gemeinden Livada und Horia (historisch "Neupanat"). Ich habe viel von der Stammbaum, aber natürlich die Archive Anschlag aufgedeckt, als die Familien migriert. Besonders besorgt bin ich mit der Suche nach unserem zweiten Vettern-die Kinder der Cousins ​​meiner Großmutter, die wahrscheinlich noch am Leben in Deutschland sind. Meine Großmutter Mutter hatte zwei Schwestern, die nie verlassen: Anna Tumele und Katalin Tumele, und ihr Vater hatte zwei Brüder, deren Familien blieben in den 1930er Jahren zumindest Meiszl-Martin und Jakob Meiszl (gestorben Horia, 1930). Tumele ist fast immer geschrieben, aber manchmal Tumele Dumele oder Dumelle, wie in den Ellis Island Records und ein paar von den Kirchenbüchern. Meiszl war die ungarische Rechtschreibung-Archiven in der modernen Zeit wurde allgemein mit einer E-Meisel geschrieben, und erst vor kurzem wurde in einigen der ersten Datensätze in der Mitte des 19. Jahrhunderts Mauszl buchstabiert. Ich habe viel von Ketten die Tumele Neben jetzt Wilz-aber ich kann Aufzeichnungen von vielen der Meisels nach dem 2. Weltkrieg gefunden. Ich kann eine andere E-Mail-Anfragen über den später Tumele Vorfahren zu schreiben, aber hier werde ich auf der Meisels konzentrieren. Ich werde die Schreibweisen benutzen, wie ich sie aufgezeichnet von den Kirchenbüchern von Livada und Horia. Jacob wurde im Livada geboren, scheint sich aber wieder auf Horia gegangen, um viele seiner Kinder haben. Ich bin in Stuttgart gerade jetzt für die nächste Woche, in Europa für 1-4 Monate, und ich möchte, um den Aufenthaltsort einer dieser Familien lernen. Mein Ziel ist es zu einem zweiten Cousins ​​meiner Mutter, die noch am Leben sind zu erfüllen. Ich habe alle Informationen, die ich habe enthalten. Sie alle sind Nachkommen von zwei Brüder: Jacob und Martin. Jacob hatte 7 Kinder mit Catharina Ianson. Sie sind Joszef, Ferencz, Jakob, Magdolna, Janos, Katalin und Anton (in der Reihenfolge der Geburt). JACOB MEISZL, geboren am 9. Dezember 1872, gestorben 1930. Heiratete Catharina IAnson. Kinder waren: JOSZEF, geboren 1894, verheiratet KATALINA RIPPEL und hatte mindestens zwei Kinder: JOSEF geboren 11. April 1923 in Horia. Und Catharina geboren 23. April 1926 in Livada. FERENCZ, geb. 13. Juni 1899 (in Horia?), Gestorben 22. April 1933 in Timisoara. JACOB, geboren 27. Mai 1902, heiratete ELISABETHA HOFFMAN in Arad. Gestorben 2. Juli 1946. Magdolna, geboren am 27. Februar 1905. JANOS, geboren am 27. Juli 1907, heiratete MAGDALENA Schönecker 31. Januar 1932 in Horia. Sagt, dass er ein Schuster, und sie war ein Arbeiter KATALIN, geboren am 13. Februar 1910, Fabrikarbeiter. verheiratet ANDREI Schönecker, Schreiner. Hatte Tochter MARGARETA, geb. 13. April 1935 ANTON geboren 2. Dezember 1919, starb 1941 in der Schlacht im 2. Weltkrieg. Es ist durchaus möglich, dass JOSEF (Jr.), CATHARINA, MARGARETA Schönecker, oder eines der Kinder dieser 7 Meisels könnte noch am Leben sein. Viele von ihnen haben Kinder, ich bin mir sicher, ich weiß nur nicht die Datensätze für sie, weil die Familien erscheinen, um den Bereich irgendwann um den zweiten Weltkrieg verlassen haben. MARTIN MEISZL, der Bruder von Jacob (der die Kinder über 7 hatte), hatte 3 Kinder: FERENCZ, JOSEF und KATALIN. FERENCZ, geboren 1888, verheiratet BARBOLOVAL WOLF 1911, hatte FULOP am 5. April 1914. Es gibt widersprüchliche Informationen über Ferencz, denn an 2 Stellen heißt es, dass er starb an der russischen Front im 1. Weltkrieg im Jahr 1915, und dann in anderen Aufzeichnungen es zeigt ihn mit einem anderen Kind-ANNA, geboren 1919, der ERNEST HARTMAN 1940 verheiratet und starb im Jahre 1945. ich ihre Tochter, auch Anna, die eine Schwester Rozalia, die in Deutschland lebt, hat getroffen. Anna wusste nicht, nichts über die erweiterte Familie Meisel, weil ihre Mutter und Großvater starben beide so jung und sie wusste nicht, einer von ihnen. Vielleicht dachte sie Ferencz war gestorben, aber er nicht gehabt, aber es ist sicher, dass er starb, bevor seine Enkelin Anna ihn getroffen hatte. JOSEF, geboren 1897, verheiratet ROZAL KOVACS 1918 und es gibt keine Aufzeichnungen über ihre Kinder. KATALIN, geboren 1899, verheiratet LENARD LEPTICH im Jahre 1917, und sie hatten ANNA MARIA LEPTICH, geboren am 12. Oktober 1919. KATALIN starb am 26. Januar, 1971. Ich würde sehr dankbar für jegliche Informationen zu diesen Familien. Ich glaube, dass, wenn ich finde, ein paar gute Quellen kann ich in der Lage, viel mehr über die Großfamilie zu lernen. Ich weiß nicht, wo ich kann weiter neben dem deutschen Telefonbuch zu suchen, so dass randomisierte Telefonanrufe, die bisher nur sehr schlecht funktioniert, wie die Menschen sind sehr zurückhaltend in Deutschland, mit Fremden über ihre Familie über das Telefon sprechen. Danke. -Mark Shipley USA (001) 7732178178 Deutsch (0049) 160-95297021 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My ancestor, Martin Thess (b. 1805 Gakova), married Katharina Faller (b. 1812) on 13 Nov 1827 in Kolut and they later moved to Katymar (http://www.dvelten.net/vaf-o/p872.htm#i8718 ). The Kolut church marriage record does not list parents of either spouse. I bought Jakob Schuy's new Kolut book, which covers the earlier period 1760-1825. This period does not cover the marriage in 1827 but I hoped it might have Katharina's birth and family. Lots of Faller families but nothing matching Katharina's info. The Katymar book by Joseph Pahl has the Martin Thess family but no information on Katharina's parents. I assume the other Kolut book covering 1826 on does not have information on her family or Joseph Pahl would have used that info in his book. Anyone have knowledge of this family or suggestions on how to find Katharina Faller's family? Thanks, Dave Velten dvelten@gmail.com http://www.dvelten.net

Hi, I am looking for information on my grandparents who were from Weisskirchen in the Banat. The detail I have are :- Siegfried Huy-Prech & Maria Huy-Prech (nee Ebert) They had three children, Karl (my father) , Siegfried and Robert. I know that my grandmother had two sister Paula and Anna Ebert who were married but am unsure of their married names. I am also unsure about whether my grandfather had any siblings. If anybody can provide any information it would be greatly appreciated. Rgds James

Can I also get information how to find the original chuch book pages online? I only find extractions. Thank you Anni Gesendet: Dienstag, 08. Juli 2014 um 05:15 Uhr Von: "Julie Hammitt" <juliehammitt@aol.com> An: "donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Betreff: [DVHH] Orczyfalva Info Hello, I am trying to follow the instructions to look up the Mormon information on family or.com and am running into a difficulty. After I go to search, catalog, Orczfalva, I don't know where to go next. The directions that someone posted say to keep clicking until I find that sentence until you can read the records online. But that is where I get lost. Can someone give me more detailed instructions from this point please? Thanks, Julie Sent from my iPad > On Jul 7, 2014, at 1:00 AM, donauschwaben-villages-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > To respond to a Digest Mode message, click reply, CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE TO REFLECT THE TOPIC - then delete any postings/text not specific to the message you are responding to. Otherwise it could cause your message to be too long and not get posted. Your cooperation is appreciated. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [DS] Traveling to Serbia and visitng Heufeld and Neuberg > an der Bega (Rita Schiwanowitsch) > 2. Re: Fw: Orzyfalva info please (Susan Sander) > 3. Re: Fw: Orzyfalva info please (Susan Sander) > 4. Re: [DS] Traveling to Serbia and visitng Heufeld and Neuberg > an der Bega (wknuttel@aol.com) > 5. Translation help (Jim and Jean Hagen) > 6. info (Barb D) > 7. Weisskirchen - before 1804 (Walter Sucher) > 8. Re: Fw: Orzyfalva info please (mep) > 9. Translate (Anne Dreer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 06:35:20 -0600 > From: Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com> > Subject: Re: [DVHH] [DS] Traveling to Serbia and visitng Heufeld and > Neuberg an der Bega > To: "gmcopeland@aol.com" <gmcopeland@aol.com>, > "donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com" > <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BLU172-W500905EA1A79533BB4680ED4020@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Gwen, > > The people on this list are most helpful. Some members are made the trip there also and can give you better advise on the specific areas you are looking for. My families are near the Pancevo area much closer to Belgrade. The people on this list may even be able to give you better advise on house numbers as some of the villages have old maps available. I will forward you questions to this list in hopes of better responses for you. Hopefully they will respond to you directly.... instead of on the list. > > Donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > Rita > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 22:19:48 -0700 >> To: donauschwaben-l@genealogy.net >> From: donauschwaben-l@genealogy.net >> Subject: [DS] Traveling to Serbia and visitng Heufeld and Neuberg an der Bega >> >> >>> Hello List: >>> I am seeking your travel advice! I suddenly find myself traveling to Serbia shortly, and am able to spend one day up near the Romanian border, near Kikinda. I have a Belgrade youth willing to bring me there at my request. My problem is that I've been out of my genealogy research for so long, that this sudden trip has caught me off guard, and I'm not sure where to tell him to take me. Any advice? >>> >>> Here is what I remember: >>> Great Grandfather, Chrisof BUERGER is from Nagy Tozeg/Heufeld (out of Matias BUERGER and Magdalena NOEL) >>> Great Grandmother, Magdelene KLINGER is from Ujvar/Neuberg an der Bega, (d. of Jacob KLINGER and Ana ZAHRINGER) >>> Magdalena was born in house 28, which is where her grandfather also passed. >>> >>> Is it an easy trip to visit both towns (one in Serbia and one in Romania?) >>> How can I find where house 28 was in Neuberg an der Bega, so I can try and see it today? >>> Where are the german cemeteries for these cities? Will I be able to recognize names? (I remember they are not cared for). >>> >>> These are small towns, what would you recommend? >>> >>> Gwen Olsen in Oregon, USA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Donauschwaben-L mailing list >> Donauschwaben-L@genealogy.net >> [1]http://list.genealogy.net/mm/listinfo/donauschwaben-l > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 12:55:32 -0400 > From: Susan Sander <swan1200@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Fw: Orzyfalva info please > To: mep <res00fr1@gmail.com> > Cc: "donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com" > <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BAY179-W5CCDC8420522B7698C315C7020@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Happy to possibly help someone. Orczyfalva is particularly hard to research > because of the lack of later records necessary to make connections. > > You mention the name Stadler .... where have you searched prior to this. > Have you looked for manifests, etc.? > > I don't remember seeing any posts regarding this surname. It's worth a try > as there are many helpers on this list. > > Susan > > Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 16:59:14 -0700 > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Fw: Orzyfalva info please > From: res00fr1@gmail.com > To: swan1200@hotmail.com > CC: pjford10@yahoo.ca; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > Thanks for posting this. > > This is an awesome link to possibly invaluable information. > > I cannot find a connection to my Stadlers but it's the 1st data that I have found that actually includes Stadlers in Times. > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Susan Sander <swan1200@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Pat -- not sure if you ever received any information ... and I think I did > > write to you. Had some time today ... raining thanks to Arthur .... > > there are records online with the Mormons from Orczifalva,Hungary. > > > > You cannot see the actual record but you can access the records by > > going to: [2]www.familysearch.org > > > > Under search, go to Catalog > > > > Type in Orczifalva ... and it will pop up .... go through clicking on film > > and you get to the sentence that says you can see records online. > > Be sure the spell the village as above. > > > > Adam .. b. 11 Dec 1832 -- might be your man > > > > Parents: Josephus Nachbrun; mother: Apollonia Fisch > > > > I did find 5 people by the name of Baimenits .... > > Magdalena b. about 1835 > > > > Hope you can find something here ..... good luck. > > Let me know if you need further help finding the records. > > > > Susan > > > >> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 16:56:12 -0700 > >> From: pjford10@yahoo.ca > >> To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: [DVHH] Fw: Orzyfalva info please > > > > >> ----- Forwarded Message ----- > >> From: Pat Ford <pjford10@yahoo.ca> > >> To: "donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 11:52:37 AM > >> Subject: Fw: Orzyfalva info please > > > > > > > > >> ----- Forwarded Message ----- > >> From: Pat Ford <pjford10@yahoo.ca> > >> To: "DANUBE-SWABIAN-GENEALOGY@rootsweb.com" <DANUBE-SWABIAN-GENEALOGY@rootsweb.com> > > >> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 9:23:47 AM > >> Subject: Orzyfalva info please > > > > >> Hi, > > >> I'm hoping someone might have information regarding the family of Margaretha or Magdalena Beimanitz, b. 1825-1835?, in Orzy. She is believed to have married Adam Nachbrun (1832), son of Josephus Nachbrun and Apolonia Fisch. > > > >> Any info regarding either of these families would be greatly appreciated. > > >> Thanks, > >> Pat > >> Ontario, Canada > > > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 13:01:44 -0400 > From: Susan Sander <swan1200@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Fw: Orzyfalva info please > To: mep <res00fr1@gmail.com> > Cc: "donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com" > <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BAY179-W95A6AE0E55D9AB305F2917C7020@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Not sure if you have seen Dave Dreyer's manifest list. I just checked and > found three entries with the name Stadler. I will try and cut and paste for > you. > > STADLER Anna -[S334 ]- Age: 22 -From: Detta > -DtAr: > Wednesday, 10 Oct 1906 - To: Pittsburg, PA -Via: Fiu/NY -Ship: Slavonia > > -Note: Accompanied by daughter, Rozalia 2, both born in Detta. Going to join > husband, Isador Szadler. > > > > STADLER Isador -[S334 ]- Age: 30 -From: Detta > -DtAr: > Sunday, 23 Jul 1905 - To: Pittsburg, PA -Via: Fiu/NY -Ship: Pannonia > > > STADLER Peter -[S334]- Age: 39 > -From: Warjasch > -DtAr: Thursday, 13 Jun 1907 - To: Philadelphia, PA -Via: > Ham/NY -Ship: Pres Lincoln > -Note: Born in Warjasch. Accompanied by wife, > Barbara 38, born in Kleinsiedel and son Daniel 10/12, born in Geczi(?). Going to > join bro-in-law, Jakob Kirsch. Last residence, Ketfel. > > It appears as if Dave is continuing ot add new information as he find it. > > Hope this is helpful. Susan > > > > > Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 16:59:14 -0700 > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Fw: Orzyfalva info please > From: res00fr1@gmail.com > To: swan1200@hotmail.com > CC: pjford10@yahoo.ca; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > Thanks for posting this. > > This is an awesome link to possibly invaluable information. > > I cannot find a connection to my Stadlers but it's the 1st data that I have found that actually includes Stadlers in Times. > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Susan Sander <swan1200@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Pat -- not sure if you ever received any information ... and I think I did > > write to you. Had some time today ... raining thanks to Arthur .... > > there are records online with the Mormons from Orczifalva,Hungary. > > > > You cannot see the actual record but you can access the records by > > going to: [3]www.familysearch.org > > > > Under search, go to Catalog > > > > Type in Orczifalva ... and it will pop up .... go through clicking on film > > and you get to the sentence that says you can see records online. > > Be sure the spell the village as above. > > > > Adam .. b. 11 Dec 1832 -- might be your man > > > > Parents: Josephus Nachbrun; mother: Apollonia Fisch > > > > I did find 5 people by the name of Baimenits .... > > Magdalena b. about 1835 > > > > Hope you can find something here ..... good luck. > > Let me know if you need further help finding the records. > > > > Susan > > > >> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 16:56:12 -0700 > >> From: pjford10@yahoo.ca > >> To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: [DVHH] Fw: Orzyfalva info please > > > > >> ----- Forwarded Message ----- > >> From: Pat Ford <pjford10@yahoo.ca> > >> To: "donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 11:52:37 AM > >> Subject: Fw: Orzyfalva info please > > > > > > > > >> ----- Forwarded Message ----- > >> From: Pat Ford <pjford10@yahoo.ca> > >> To: "DANUBE-SWABIAN-GENEALOGY@rootsweb.com" <DANUBE-SWABIAN-GENEALOGY@rootsweb.com> > > >> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 9:23:47 AM > >> Subject: Orzyfalva info please > > > > >> Hi, > > >> I'm hoping someone might have information regarding the family of Margaretha or Magdalena Beimanitz, b. 1825-1835?, in Orzy. She is believed to have married Adam Nachbrun (1832), son of Josephus Nachbrun and Apolonia Fisch. > > > >> Any info regarding either of these families would be greatly appreciated. > > >> Thanks, > >> Pat > >> Ontario, Canada > > > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 15:00:23 -0400 (EDT) > From: wknuttel@aol.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] [DS] Traveling to Serbia and visitng Heufeld and > Neuberg an der Bega > To: schiwanore@msn.com, gmcopeland@aol.com, > donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8D16763ACF4C98F-FCC-8683@webmail-vd008.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Gwen, > I haven't been in Serbia for many years (since the time just before the revolution in the early 90s, I think it was). If you are traveling with a Serb, that can be very helpful! But with only one day, maybe it's better to visit Heufeld only, unless your Serbian guide can arrange the Romanian visit for you and make it easy. Hopefully your Serb guide will make it possible to visit the villages without any suspicion. When I traveled alone there, a few people were helpful, but many seemed wary of contact with me--this was in St. Hubert, which is nearby Heufeld. It may have been the language barrier, but there was also a clear "these are Germanic types searching for their ancestors" kind of thing going on. It was a very tense time there, however, and I can say that for the most part it seemed like good people there, living under a difficult situation. > > > Sadly, most of the cemeteries are either completely gone, or are in ruins where you might find an occasional headstone exposed. That was 20+ years ago, and maybe the situation is worse now. I would strongly advise you to find early maps of Heufeld and Neuberg to see the house numbers, as I'm pretty sure nothing will correspond to current addresses. But you will probably find the house not much different than when your ancestors were there! Maybe you can find a map in a family book, or someone on this list can perhaps assist you with the old layout of the town. > > > Okay, that's just some general idea...good luck! > Bill Knuttel > Napa > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com> > To: gmcopeland <gmcopeland@aol.com>; donauschwaben-villages <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sun, Jul 6, 2014 5:40 am > Subject: Re: [DVHH] [DS] Traveling to Serbia and visitng Heufeld and Neuberg an der Bega > > > Hi Gwen, > > The people on this list are most helpful. Some members are made the trip there > also and can give you better advise on the specific areas you are looking for. > My families are near the Pancevo area much closer to Belgrade. The people on > this list may even be able to give you better advise on house numbers as some of > the villages have old maps available. I will forward you questions to this list > in hopes of better responses for you. Hopefully they will respond to you > directly.... instead of on the list. > > Donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > Rita > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 22:19:48 -0700 >> To: donauschwaben-l@genealogy.net >> From: donauschwaben-l@genealogy.net >> Subject: [DS] Traveling to Serbia and visitng Heufeld and Neuberg an der Bega >> >> >>> Hello List: >>> I am seeking your travel advice! I suddenly find myself traveling to Serbia > shortly, and am able to spend one day up near the Romanian border, near Kikinda. > I have a Belgrade youth willing to bring me there at my request. My problem is > that I've been out of my genealogy research for so long, that this sudden trip > has caught me off guard, and I'm not sure where to tell him to take me. Any > advice? >>> >>> Here is what I remember: >>> Great Grandfather, Chrisof BUERGER is from Nagy Tozeg/Heufeld (out of Matias > BUERGER and Magdalena NOEL) >>> Great Grandmother, Magdelene KLINGER is from Ujvar/Neuberg an der Bega, (d. > of Jacob KLINGER and Ana ZAHRINGER) >>> Magdalena was born in house 28, which is where her grandfather also passed. >>> >>> Is it an easy trip to visit both towns (one in Serbia and one in Romania?) >>> How can I find where house 28 was in Neuberg an der Bega, so I can try and > see it today? >>> Where are the german cemeteries for these cities? Will I be able to > recognize names? (I remember they are not cared for). >>> >>> These are small towns, what would you recommend? >>> >>> Gwen Olsen in Oregon, USA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Donauschwaben-L mailing list >> Donauschwaben-L@genealogy.net >> [4]http://list.genealogy.net/mm/listinfo/donauschwaben-l > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2014 15:02:36 -0400 > From: Jim and Jean Hagen <mrmrsgtx@tds.net> > Subject: [DVHH] Translation help > To: DVHH MAIL LIST <Donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <53B99D4C.3080301@tds.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hello, I have an email in German. It's from a Hans Repp. He has a > Familienbuch on my Grandmother's village Klek. His first email was short > and I think I read it correctly along with names and dates of my > Grandmother's family. I used a translator and got the general > message. He was nice enough to send only the information I needed from > his CD. Not of all the records were in his first email. So he sent me > another meassage with more information. My second message from him is > longer. Is there someone that would translate this for me? > Thanks, > Jean Hagen > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 15:44:09 -0500 > From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > Subject: [DVHH] info > To: "DVHH" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <C515A5755DDC4516B874338292DB647D@BarbHP> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi All Listers, > I am looking for any info on the town of Deutschsanktmichael (also know as Nemetszentmihaly, Zilasch, sanmihaiu) in Romania .( At one time I think Austria-Hungary) > Maps, pictures, records,house # and location. > My grandparents and Mother are from there. BRATAN, JUNGER, KOST, LEIMETTER, FRESZ so I would like to get as much info about the town as I can. > > Also BRATAN in Vizejdia(Wiseschdia) any info about there or about them. > Also BRATAN (BRATTAN) in Vojtek(voiteg) and info about there or them > I am not sure where any of the families are from before Deutschsanktmichael. Except for BRATAN. > > I would be very thankful for anything or anyone could contribute. I figure if I get more info on the towns, it might lead me somewhere. > Thanks, > Barb D. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 23:12:57 +0200 > From: Walter Sucher <walter.sucher@t-online.de> > Subject: [DVHH] Weisskirchen - before 1804 > To: "DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com" > <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <210A33D8-24E4-440E-829F-682AE6410B30@t-online.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I suddenly find me to visit Weisskirchen in 10 days, the 'town' my ancestor Valentin Sucher was born in 1803... I know his father's name was Domenicus, but that's about it. Would love to find out more about Domenicus and the others in Weisskirchen somehow.... Any advice pleeeeese???? > > Walter Sucher > Eichenallee 15 > 14050 Berlin > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 14:26:34 -0700 > From: mep <res00fr1@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Fw: Orzyfalva info please > To: Susan Sander <swan1200@hotmail.com> > Cc: "donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com" > <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CABwfzNqMVSAgLjM_UtAP10R5ab7baNoFxgTvPBki8R6w+3dO0g@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Thanks to all for responding. Yes, I've been there. Anna, nee Buchmann, > and Isador are my relatives. The Buchmanns I have back to the late 17th > century in the Rhine-Pfatz. The problem is Isador. Where did he come > from? The oral history from my aunt was that he lived "on the other side > of the mountain" from Deta before marrying Anna Buchmann. Looking at the > topographical maps from Google, I can see hills but no mountains and > Orczyfalva seems to be over one of these hills. There is also the family > rumor that he or his family were Jewish and converted to Catholicism to > avoid any antisemitism. > > Since I have so little to go on, I do not ask for specific help because I > feel it would be too much to ask when I can only "shotgun" around. So I > read as much as I can find so that I can ask more specific questions. > > BTW, there are no Stadlers in the Anton Kraemer family book for Deta. I > credit that information as coming from Dave Dreyer. He has been most > helpful. > > Marty > > > > >> On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Susan Sander <swan1200@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Not sure if you have seen Dave Dreyer's manifest list. I just checked and >> found three entries with the name Stadler. I will try and cut and paste >> for >> you. >> >> *STADLER Anna **-[S334 *]- Age: 22 -From: Detta >> -DtAr: Wednesday, 10 Oct 1906 - To: Pittsburg, PA -Via: Fiu/NY -Ship: >> Slavonia >> -Note: Accompanied by daughter, Rozalia 2, both born in Detta. Going to >> join husband, Isador Szadler. >> >> >> *STADLER Isador **-[S334 *]- Age: 30 -From: Detta >> -DtAr: Sunday, 23 Jul 1905 - To: Pittsburg, PA -Via: Fiu/NY -Ship: >> Pannonia >> >> *STADLER Peter *-[S334]- Age: 39 -From: Warjasch >> -DtAr: Thursday, 13 Jun 1907 - To: Philadelphia, PA -Via: Ham/NY -Ship: >> Pres Lincoln >> -Note: Born in Warjasch. Accompanied by wife, Barbara 38, born in >> Kleinsiedel and son Daniel 10/12, born in Geczi(?). Going to join >> bro-in-law, Jakob Kirsch. Last residence, Ketfel. >> >> It appears as if Dave is continuing ot add new information as he find it. >> >> Hope this is helpful. Susan >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 16:59:14 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Fw: Orzyfalva info please >> From: res00fr1@gmail.com >> To: swan1200@hotmail.com >> CC: pjford10@yahoo.ca; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> >> Thanks for posting this. >> >> This is an awesome link to possibly invaluable information. >> >> I cannot find a connection to my Stadlers but it's the 1st data that I >> have found that actually includes Stadlers in Times. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Susan Sander <swan1200@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Pat -- not sure if you ever received any information ... and I think I >> did >> write to you. Had some time today ... raining thanks to Arthur .... >> there are records online with the Mormons from Orczifalva,Hungary. >> >> You cannot see the actual record but you can access the records by >> going to: [5]www.familysearch.org >> >> Under search, go to Catalog >> >> Type in Orczifalva ... and it will pop up .... go through clicking on film >> and you get to the sentence that says you can see records online. >> Be sure the spell the village as above. >> >> Adam .. b. 11 Dec 1832 -- might be your man >> >> Parents: Josephus Nachbrun; mother: Apollonia Fisch >> >> I did find 5 people by the name of Baimenits .... >> Magdalena b. about 1835 >> >> Hope you can find something here ..... good luck. >> Let me know if you need further help finding the records. >> >> Susan >> >>> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 16:56:12 -0700 >>> From: pjford10@yahoo.ca >>> To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [DVHH] Fw: Orzyfalva info please >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Forwarded Message ----- >>> From: Pat Ford <pjford10@yahoo.ca> >>> To: "donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com" < >> donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 11:52:37 AM >>> Subject: Fw: Orzyfalva info please >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Forwarded Message ----- >>> From: Pat Ford <pjford10@yahoo.ca> >>> To: "DANUBE-SWABIAN-GENEALOGY@rootsweb.com" < >> DANUBE-SWABIAN-GENEALOGY@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 9:23:47 AM >>> Subject: Orzyfalva info please >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm hoping someone might have information regarding the family of >> Margaretha or Magdalena Beimanitz, b. 1825-1835?, in Orzy. She is believed >> to have married Adam Nachbrun (1832), son of Josephus Nachbrun and Apolonia >> Fisch. >>> >>> Any info regarding either of these families would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Pat >>> Ontario, Canada >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 17:38:09 -0400 > From: Anne Dreer <dreera@sympatico.ca> > Subject: [DVHH] Translate > To: <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP1926DBCBFF528D123DD4EA9B4020@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello Jean, > I can translate your German information for you. Just send it to me. > Anne Dreer > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES Digest, Vol 7, Issue 183 > ****************************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://list.genealogy.net/mm/listinfo/donauschwaben-l 2. http://www.familysearch.org/ 3. http://www.familysearch.org/ 4. http://list.genealogy.net/mm/listinfo/donauschwaben-l 5. http://www.familysearch.org/

Karl is my 4th GGF. He is listed in the Darowa Familienbuch as follows..... &lt;577&gt; BERWANGER Karl um.1757 t 17.03.1805 Dar anfangs als Carolus Bervanger, SKR.Lippa 499:"Bervanger Carl, Colonist, Lippa Nr.30, hat sich nur hier gemeldet und alsogleich auf Urlaub zu seinen Befreunden begeben", Herkunftsort nicht genannt; St.03968: Wien 1785, sonst wie oben; 2.00 H.33 + als Enp. der Anna Maria "Omnibus moribundorum sacraments rite provisus", English translation (Google) ........ and lt; 577 and gt; Berwanger Karl um.1757 t 3/17/1805 Dar initially as Carolus Bervanger, SKR.Lippa 499: "Bervanger Carl, Colonist, Lippa No.30, sends word only here and thus equally go on holidays to its Befriend origin ", not mentioned; St.03968: Vienna 1785, otherwise as above; 2:00 H.33 as Enp. Anna Maria "Omnibus moribundorum sacraments rite Provisus" I'm looking for his origins, his parents and siblings There are several Berwangers listed in the book that I can not tie to him. I think they are his siblings family's. Apparently he is a colonist in Lippa and moved to Darowa. Thanks for any help Steve Berwanger

Friends, We are departing on Thursday for our Ancestry/holiday trip to Hungary, Romania and Germany. Our family is from Orczfalva and from reading the recent posts, I see that having an old map would be very useful. I have no idea how to find what address my great-grandmother's family lived at but would an old map of the village include the names of the residence as well? My great grandma was Anna C. Genser born 1880 in Orzcfalva and her parents were Michael Genser and Elizabeth Eisner. Gosh, how I would love to see the house that they lived in! My great grandpa's name was Johan Schwarz, he was born in Jimbolia (Hatzfeld) in 1870. His parents were Johan Schwarz and Elisabeth Luffi. I have been researching a lot before trip but never quite got what I was looking for. If anyone has any information that will help us make this trip of a lifetime, please let me know! Thank you, Julie Sent from my iPad

I was searching for something the other day and found these books and thought someone might find them useful.  They are both in German.  I hope these work as they are doing strange things when I try and put them on this email. History of the greater community of Temes-Pauli:   Felix Milleker Geschichte der Großgemeinde Temes-Paulis  Austr. 5476 d Werschetz 1891  http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0000/bsb00009831/images/index.html?seite=00001&l=en  The Werschetzer area in ancient times:   Die Werschetzer Gegend im Alterthume  Felix Milleker http://reader.digitale-sammlungen.de/de/fs1/object/display/bsb11165969_00001.html Leah

I am a new subscriber. I hope this is an appropriate use of this list. I am seeking reliable information on the Grunzweig or Logel families originally from Schoendorf -- in particular 1) Magdelena Grunzweig and Peter Grunzweig - siblings 2) Margaretha, Joseph, and Maxmillian Logel - siblings If you have any helpful information or hints, please pass them along. Thank you. Gina Krehbiel Koeppl

Hi Fran, I notice in a reply from you to Barb D. you listed some names from the Deutsch-Zerne fb, One of the names listed was Jakob Bratsko. Is there any more of this name listed and if there is could you please sent it to me ? Many thanks for your help, Harold Bratsko ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> To: "Fran Matkovich" <mjm1021@comcast.net>, "DVHH" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 2:01:40 PM Subject: Re: [DVHH] info Thanks Fran, Hopefully something will fit. I really appreciate your effort. Barb D. -----Original Message----- From: Fran Matkovich Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 2:39 P To: Barb D ; DVHH Subject: Re: [DVHH] info >From the Hatzfeld Familienbuch: 1176 BRAUN, Johann Heinrich Eltern siehe <1166> t 28.10.1768 in Laufersweiler 28 30.05.1797 in Hf weitere Ehe(n) <1175> JUNGER, Elisabeth Wwe. * um. .1777 vorherige Ehe unbekannt >From Deutsch Zerne Famlienbuch: : 1164 BRATSKO, Jakob Wwr. * um. .1798 vorherige Ehe unbekannt 8 17.06.1823 in Hf FIDLER, Magdalena Wwe. * um. .1803 vorherige Ehe unbekannt 1165 BRATT, Franz * um. .1775 8 27.04.1800 in Hf MARTIN, Karolina Wwe. * um. .1762 + 26.11.1821 in Hf vorherige Ehe unbekannt. geb.Brach? Kind(er) a) Magdalena t um. .1802 Ehe siehe <4161> Fran Matkovich -----Original Message----- From: Barb D Sent: Sunday, July 6, 2014 4:44 PM To: DVHH Subject: [DVHH] info Hi All Listers, I am looking for any info on the town of Deutschsanktmichael (also know as Nemetszentmihaly, Zilasch, sanmihaiu) in Romania .( At one time I think Austria-Hungary) Maps, pictures, records,house # and location. My grandparents and Mother are from there. BRATAN, JUNGER, KOST, LEIMETTER, FRESZ so I would like to get as much info about the town as I can. Also BRATAN in Vizejdia(Wiseschdia) any info about there or about them. Also BRATAN (BRATTAN) in Vojtek(voiteg) and info about there or them I am not sure where any of the families are from before Deutschsanktmichael. Except for BRATAN. I would be very thankful for anything or anyone could contribute. I figure if I get more info on the towns, it might lead me somewhere. Thanks, Barb D. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From the Hatzfeld Familienbuch: 1176 BRAUN, Johann Heinrich Eltern siehe <1166> t 28.10.1768 in Laufersweiler 28 30.05.1797 in Hf weitere Ehe(n) <1175> JUNGER, Elisabeth Wwe. * um. .1777 vorherige Ehe unbekannt >From Deutsch Zerne Famlienbuch: : 1164 BRATSKO, Jakob Wwr. * um. .1798 vorherige Ehe unbekannt 8 17.06.1823 in Hf FIDLER, Magdalena Wwe. * um. .1803 vorherige Ehe unbekannt 1165 BRATT, Franz * um. .1775 8 27.04.1800 in Hf MARTIN, Karolina Wwe. * um. .1762 + 26.11.1821 in Hf vorherige Ehe unbekannt. geb.Brach? Kind(er) a) Magdalena t um. .1802 Ehe siehe <4161> Fran Matkovich -----Original Message----- From: Barb D Sent: Sunday, July 6, 2014 4:44 PM To: DVHH Subject: [DVHH] info Hi All Listers, I am looking for any info on the town of Deutschsanktmichael (also know as Nemetszentmihaly, Zilasch, sanmihaiu) in Romania .( At one time I think Austria-Hungary) Maps, pictures, records,house # and location. My grandparents and Mother are from there. BRATAN, JUNGER, KOST, LEIMETTER, FRESZ so I would like to get as much info about the town as I can. Also BRATAN in Vizejdia(Wiseschdia) any info about there or about them. Also BRATAN (BRATTAN) in Vojtek(voiteg) and info about there or them I am not sure where any of the families are from before Deutschsanktmichael. Except for BRATAN. I would be very thankful for anything or anyone could contribute. I figure if I get more info on the towns, it might lead me somewhere. Thanks, Barb D. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Fran, Hopefully something will fit. I really appreciate your effort. Barb D. -----Original Message----- From: Fran Matkovich Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 2:39 P To: Barb D ; DVHH Subject: Re: [DVHH] info >From the Hatzfeld Familienbuch: 1176 BRAUN, Johann Heinrich Eltern siehe <1166> t 28.10.1768 in Laufersweiler 28 30.05.1797 in Hf weitere Ehe(n) <1175> JUNGER, Elisabeth Wwe. * um. .1777 vorherige Ehe unbekannt >From Deutsch Zerne Famlienbuch: : 1164 BRATSKO, Jakob Wwr. * um. .1798 vorherige Ehe unbekannt 8 17.06.1823 in Hf FIDLER, Magdalena Wwe. * um. .1803 vorherige Ehe unbekannt 1165 BRATT, Franz * um. .1775 8 27.04.1800 in Hf MARTIN, Karolina Wwe. * um. .1762 + 26.11.1821 in Hf vorherige Ehe unbekannt. geb.Brach? Kind(er) a) Magdalena t um. .1802 Ehe siehe <4161> Fran Matkovich -----Original Message----- From: Barb D Sent: Sunday, July 6, 2014 4:44 PM To: DVHH Subject: [DVHH] info Hi All Listers, I am looking for any info on the town of Deutschsanktmichael (also know as Nemetszentmihaly, Zilasch, sanmihaiu) in Romania .( At one time I think Austria-Hungary) Maps, pictures, records,house # and location. My grandparents and Mother are from there. BRATAN, JUNGER, KOST, LEIMETTER, FRESZ so I would like to get as much info about the town as I can. Also BRATAN in Vizejdia(Wiseschdia) any info about there or about them. Also BRATAN (BRATTAN) in Vojtek(voiteg) and info about there or them I am not sure where any of the families are from before Deutschsanktmichael. Except for BRATAN. I would be very thankful for anything or anyone could contribute. I figure if I get more info on the towns, it might lead me somewhere. Thanks, Barb D. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello dear Listers, I thought these links on historical facts in reference to German settlers in the U.S. could be of interest to some of you. Enjoy the reading... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Flatts,_New_York http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herkimer,_New_York Best regards, Tina Montreal, Canada

Thanks Tina! Very interesting and I learned something new again, which I do on this site all the time. Barb D. -----Original Message----- From: Tina Michel Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 12:27 PM To: DVHH Mail List Subject: [DVHH] Interesting Historical Facts Hello dear Listers, I thought these links on historical facts in reference to German settlers in the U.S. could be of interest to some of you. Enjoy the reading... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Flatts,_New_York http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herkimer,_New_York Best regards, Tina Montreal, Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message