DER GROSSE SCHWABENZUG by Adam Mueller Guttenbrunn in *ENGLISH*. Title: THE GREAT SWABIAN MIGRATION by members of the Danube Swabian Foundation. Published by Pannonia Press in conjunction with the Danube Swabian Foundation of the USA, Inc. with 50% proceeds benefiting the Foundation. The Great Swabian Migration "Der Gross Schwabenzug" a Historical Novel by Adam Müller-Guttenbrunn. Translated by Linda Byrom, and editing team, Eddy Paffy, Mike Walter, and Annerose George. Published by Pannonia Press in conjunction with the Danube Swabian Foundation of the USA, Inc. See flyer for ordering details: http://www.dvhh.org/community/flyer-Der-Grosse-Schwabenzug-EWalter.pdf Book Reviews: By Michael Fricker: The Great Swabian Migration (Der Grosse Schwabenzug) Adam Müller-Guttenbrunn. Palatine, Illinois: Pannonia Press, 2012. 222pp. http://www.germaninfousa.org/main-blog/book-review-the-great-swabian-migrati on-der-grosse-schwabenzug By Erik Eisel via Amazon, quote: “Adam Mueller-Gutenbrunn's literary masterpiece is out of print and cannot be purchased. Fortunately, Kessinger Publishing has made a photocopy of an original German edition and reproduced this essential work about Danube-Swabian history. After reading several histories of the Danube-Swabians, both literary and historical, I am fortunate to have read Mueller-Gutenbrunn's seminal novel, which hews closely to all available historical accounts of the migration to the Banat and Batschka regions from Ulm, Germany and down the Danube river. Anyone interested in the early history of the Danube-Swabians (or Donauschwaben) should begin with this book. Anyone interested in the history of the Communist genocide of the Danube-Swabians should begin with Fr. Wendelin Gruber's book, "In the Claws of the Red Dragon." Unfortunately, despite the fact that Herta Mueller was awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature in 2009 for her novels about the Communist oppression of the Danube-Swabian minority in Romania. At this time, Mueller-Guttenbrunn is still tarnished with an unearned reputation as a nationalist on account of his ethnic price for the Danube-Swabian minority during the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Thus, anyone wishing to reading his account of the "Great Swabian Migration" to Eastern Europe must be able to read German.” ~By Erik Eisel (Huntington Beach, CA) Enjoy and learn, Jody McKim Pharr

Hello Everyone, While in Milwaukee I got to see Elizabeth Walter and her husband Mike again, who had a book booth set up. I wanted to re-announce one of their latest publications. "Kirchweih Fest: A Donauschwaben Celebration from Europe to America" By Elizabeth (Elsa) Walter's illustrated narrative book about the Kirchweih The illustrations in this colorful, hard cover book are aquatinted etchings, depicting the way Kirchweih was celebrated Drhaam, and today in our new home in America. For more info and ordering info http://www.dvhh.org/heritage/churches/kirchweih-fest~Walter.E.htm More about Elizabeth (Elsa) Walter: http://www.dvhh.org/banat_biographies/walter-elizabeth.htm 'Kirchweih Fest' . . . "All Donauschwaben are familiar with the Kirchweih Fest in their birthplace. This is a revival of our heritage to be passed on to our children and grandchildren." ~Katherine Flotz, 1 Jan 2012 Thanks Elizabeth for publishing books in English for us! Jody McKim Pharr

Hi, If one of the officers of the mail list would contact me direct I would really appreciate it. If you e-mail me direct I will send you my phone # or send me yours. I have had an incident that I think you need to be aware of and I don’t want to put it out for the general list. Thanks so much, Barb D. bbd2424@gmail.com

From: Elizabeth Walter [mailto:elsawalt@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 4:34 PM To: Jody McKim Subject: Address Dear Jody, Please send this email out to all. I tried and it backfired George Flotz was a wonderful person who was always friendly, good natured and with a twinkle in his eyes. He was also very proud to be a Schwob. His wife Kathy wrote both of their stories in A PEBBLE IN MY SHOE, She wrote his story as he told it to her. They were a team. He will be missed by his wife, family and friends. Below is Kathy's address if you would like to send a note to her. Katherine Flotz P.O. Box 1124 Crown Point, IN 46308 http://www.dvhh.org/batschka/biographies/memories_from_gakowa-flotz.htm

Bob -- I may have mentioned before but I do have the Wilhelm & Kalbrunner CD which is a record of their book listing registrations in Vienna. Not all registered there. I need to look again at any Hain or Hein registrations. Stader volumes would also be of interest .... it contains some information not in W&K. Just returned from a short trip ... but would be will copy some pages that could be of interest to you. Please list the earliest information you have on Hain ... and any other names. Unfortunately, for many of us the earliest we can find is the Reich or Holy Roman Empire. Susan > To: dvhalas@comcast.net; donauschwaben-villages-l@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:30:03 -0400 > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Breakthrough encouragement > From: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > DIANE,My most singular question remains the same. Does anyone have information regarding the registration data from Vienna or Ulm?Bob Hain > > > To: donauschwaben-villages-l@rootsweb.com > > Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 07:25:42 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Breakthrough encouragement > > From: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > > > My apologies. I may have confused people with my syntax. It was my > > grandmother who talked about Alsace-Lorraine not the researcher. Yes, I > > know most immigrants to the Banat registered in Vienna. I am sure my > > grandmother did not know that and believed that her ancestors got there > > through the military. (I still do not have an answer to that.) > > > > > > > > The researcher I used has access right now ONLY to Timis County record > > archives in Timisoara and the Roman Catholic Timis Dioceses archives. She > > does not travel to do research at present. She does not do the rest of > > Romania. So if your ancestors' village was in Timis county at one time, > > their records may be in the archives. (Many books as you know are missing.) > > If they lived somewhere else, it is unlikely she can help you. > > > > > > > > My apologies if I was not clear. > > > > > > > > Diane > > > > > > > > Diane Halas > > > > 239-592-9969 > > > > > > > > From: Bob Hain [mailto:robertfhain@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 4:38 PM > > To: Diane Halas; 'DVHH Mail List' > > Subject: RE: [DVHH] Breakthrough encouragement > > > > > > > > Diane, > > > > Is it her claim that immigrants to the Banat all traveled through > > > > Alsace-lorraine? I have read over the years that there were several start > > up points and eventually they all went through Vienna. Do you think that > > she can get information through these archives for me? My ancestors > > traveled to Glogowatz Romania previously Othalom Hungary, and and during the > > time between 1750 and 1775. > > > > Can you ask her to email me? > > > > Bob Hain /Hein > > > > > > > > I just had a 15 year roadblock erased by a breakthrough with help from a > > > > researcher in Timisoara who went to the archives for me. > > Moral 1: Some information is only available in the archives. > > Moral 2: Don't put too much weight in family stories. My migrants to the > > Banat were a good four generations before I was told and they went from an > > as-yet-unidentified place in Alsace-Lorraine to unidentified place, then to > > Billed and only then to Orzydorf. This is very different from the stories - > > quite a few generations were left out. I have added new ancestral names and > > looking at old resources with a new eye. > > > > Right now I am trying to find out from where these folks migrated. If > > anyone shares ancestors with these names or spellings, I would love to hear > > from you. > > > > New names or spellings and places: > > Heil - Orzydorf (specifically the parents of Jacobus Heil b. before 1805) > > Fridrich - Billed (specifically the parents of Ignatius Fridrich b.1757) > > Jost - Billed > > Ningl, Ningl - Billed > > > > The gal in Timisoara who helped me and another list member is familiar with > > the archives, college educated, and fluent in English and Romanian. I now > > her personally. She is less expensive than the pros and does this on her > > days off. I don't know whether I am allowed by the list to post her > > contact information, but I would be happy to provide it if you email me. She > > uses Pay Pal for payment. > > > > > > > > > To: Donauschwaben-Villages-L@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 12:02:11 -0400 > > > Subject: [DVHH] Breakthrough encouragement > > > From: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > > > > > I just had a 15 year roadblock erased by a breakthrough with help from a > > > researcher in Timisoara who went to the archives for me. > > > Moral 1: Some information is only available in the archives. > > > Moral 2: Don't put too much weight in family stories. My migrants to the > > > Banat were a good four generations before I was told and they went from an > > > as-yet-unidentified place in Alsace-Lorraine to unidentified place, then > > to > > > Billed and only then to Orzydorf. This is very different from the stories > > - > > > quite a few generations were left out. I have added new ancestral names > > and > > > looking at old resources with a new eye. > > > > > > Right now I am trying to find out from where these folks migrated. If > > > anyone shares ancestors with these names or spellings, I would love to > > hear > > > from you. > > > > > > New names or spellings and places: > > > Heil - Orzydorf (specifically the parents of Jacobus Heil b. before 1805) > > > Fridrich - Billed (specifically the parents of Ignatius Fridrich b.1757) > > > Jost - Billed > > > Ningl, Ningl - Billed > > > > > > The gal in Timisoara who helped me and another list member is familiar > > with > > > the archives, college educated, and fluent in English and Romanian. I now > > > her personally. She is less expensive than the pros and does this on her > > > days off. I don't know whether I am allowed by the list to post her > > > contact information, but I would be happy to provide it if you email me. > > She > > > uses Pay Pal for payment. > > > > > > Diane Halas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Diane Halas, A lot of DS settlers were descendants of the Austrian military. It is possible that your grandmother was right. Go t Dave Dreyer’s website of “Banater in the Austrian military”. It also contains directions on where to find the records. I hope this helps. Anne Dreer

Thanks Roy! Their website is fantastic. Check out their Library! Margaret >From my iPad > On Sep 14, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Roy W Shiflet via <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Press Release > Mid Atlantic Germanic Society -- A Genealogy Society > > The Great War and Your Family: Documenting Service in the American Military > in World War I > Friday, Saturday 24, 25 October 2014 > MAGS is proud to present our Fall program on October 25, 2014 at the > Sheraton - Wilmington South Hotel, New Castle, Delaware. PLUS a workshop > presented by Dr Kenneth Heger. (the workshop will be held on Friday, October > 24, 2014 from 2:00 - 5:00 PM at the Sheraton) > Constance Potter was a reference archivist with more than 30 years > experience for the National Archives and Records Administration. She > routinely represented the National Archives to members of the news media on > matters relating to family history. > Patrick Osborn is a native of Kansas City, Missouri, and received both a BA > and MA in history from the University of Missouri-Kansas City He has been > with the National Archives since 1999, working primarily with Navy and > Marine Corps records from the World War II and postwar period. > Dr. Kenneth W. Heger is a Senior Supervisory Archivist in the Office of > Research Services at the National Archives and Records Administration He > has a doctorate in history from the University of Maryland. He has made > presentations at the annual conferences of the National Genealogical > Society, the Federation of Genealogical Societies and the Mid-Atlantic > Germanic Society, and is a regular speaker at the National Institute on > Genealogical Research. Dr. Heger will present a special inter-active > lecture on Posters from the Great War. Governments made extensive use of > posters to raise morale and money for the war effort during World War I. > > Please visit our website www.magsgen.com for more information > > > Roy W Shiflet, Publicity Chair > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Press Release Mid Atlantic Germanic Society -- A Genealogy Society The Great War and Your Family: Documenting Service in the American Military in World War I Friday, Saturday 24, 25 October 2014 MAGS is proud to present our Fall program on October 25, 2014 at the Sheraton - Wilmington South Hotel, New Castle, Delaware. PLUS a workshop presented by Dr Kenneth Heger. (the workshop will be held on Friday, October 24, 2014 from 2:00 - 5:00 PM at the Sheraton) Constance Potter was a reference archivist with more than 30 years experience for the National Archives and Records Administration. She routinely represented the National Archives to members of the news media on matters relating to family history. Patrick Osborn is a native of Kansas City, Missouri, and received both a BA and MA in history from the University of Missouri-Kansas City He has been with the National Archives since 1999, working primarily with Navy and Marine Corps records from the World War II and postwar period. Dr. Kenneth W. Heger is a Senior Supervisory Archivist in the Office of Research Services at the National Archives and Records Administration He has a doctorate in history from the University of Maryland. He has made presentations at the annual conferences of the National Genealogical Society, the Federation of Genealogical Societies and the Mid-Atlantic Germanic Society, and is a regular speaker at the National Institute on Genealogical Research. Dr. Heger will present a special inter-active lecture on Posters from the Great War. Governments made extensive use of posters to raise morale and money for the war effort during World War I. Please visit our website www.magsgen.com for more information Roy W Shiflet, Publicity Chair

DIANE,My most singular question remains the same. Does anyone have information regarding the registration data from Vienna or Ulm?Bob Hain > To: donauschwaben-villages-l@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 07:25:42 -0400 > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Breakthrough encouragement > From: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > My apologies. I may have confused people with my syntax. It was my > grandmother who talked about Alsace-Lorraine not the researcher. Yes, I > know most immigrants to the Banat registered in Vienna. I am sure my > grandmother did not know that and believed that her ancestors got there > through the military. (I still do not have an answer to that.) > > > > The researcher I used has access right now ONLY to Timis County record > archives in Timisoara and the Roman Catholic Timis Dioceses archives. She > does not travel to do research at present. She does not do the rest of > Romania. So if your ancestors' village was in Timis county at one time, > their records may be in the archives. (Many books as you know are missing.) > If they lived somewhere else, it is unlikely she can help you. > > > > My apologies if I was not clear. > > > > Diane > > > > Diane Halas > > 239-592-9969 > > > > From: Bob Hain [mailto:robertfhain@hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 4:38 PM > To: Diane Halas; 'DVHH Mail List' > Subject: RE: [DVHH] Breakthrough encouragement > > > > Diane, > > Is it her claim that immigrants to the Banat all traveled through > > Alsace-lorraine? I have read over the years that there were several start > up points and eventually they all went through Vienna. Do you think that > she can get information through these archives for me? My ancestors > traveled to Glogowatz Romania previously Othalom Hungary, and and during the > time between 1750 and 1775. > > Can you ask her to email me? > > Bob Hain /Hein > > > > I just had a 15 year roadblock erased by a breakthrough with help from a > > researcher in Timisoara who went to the archives for me. > Moral 1: Some information is only available in the archives. > Moral 2: Don't put too much weight in family stories. My migrants to the > Banat were a good four generations before I was told and they went from an > as-yet-unidentified place in Alsace-Lorraine to unidentified place, then to > Billed and only then to Orzydorf. This is very different from the stories - > quite a few generations were left out. I have added new ancestral names and > looking at old resources with a new eye. > > Right now I am trying to find out from where these folks migrated. If > anyone shares ancestors with these names or spellings, I would love to hear > from you. > > New names or spellings and places: > Heil - Orzydorf (specifically the parents of Jacobus Heil b. before 1805) > Fridrich - Billed (specifically the parents of Ignatius Fridrich b.1757) > Jost - Billed > Ningl, Ningl - Billed > > The gal in Timisoara who helped me and another list member is familiar with > the archives, college educated, and fluent in English and Romanian. I now > her personally. She is less expensive than the pros and does this on her > days off. I don't know whether I am allowed by the list to post her > contact information, but I would be happy to provide it if you email me. She > uses Pay Pal for payment. > > > > > To: Donauschwaben-Villages-L@rootsweb.com > > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 12:02:11 -0400 > > Subject: [DVHH] Breakthrough encouragement > > From: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > > > I just had a 15 year roadblock erased by a breakthrough with help from a > > researcher in Timisoara who went to the archives for me. > > Moral 1: Some information is only available in the archives. > > Moral 2: Don't put too much weight in family stories. My migrants to the > > Banat were a good four generations before I was told and they went from an > > as-yet-unidentified place in Alsace-Lorraine to unidentified place, then > to > > Billed and only then to Orzydorf. This is very different from the stories > - > > quite a few generations were left out. I have added new ancestral names > and > > looking at old resources with a new eye. > > > > Right now I am trying to find out from where these folks migrated. If > > anyone shares ancestors with these names or spellings, I would love to > hear > > from you. > > > > New names or spellings and places: > > Heil - Orzydorf (specifically the parents of Jacobus Heil b. before 1805) > > Fridrich - Billed (specifically the parents of Ignatius Fridrich b.1757) > > Jost - Billed > > Ningl, Ningl - Billed > > > > The gal in Timisoara who helped me and another list member is familiar > with > > the archives, college educated, and fluent in English and Romanian. I now > > her personally. She is less expensive than the pros and does this on her > > days off. I don't know whether I am allowed by the list to post her > > contact information, but I would be happy to provide it if you email me. > She > > uses Pay Pal for payment. > > > > Diane Halas > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am looking for a family book(Familienbuch) for Basaid, Bikac, Hungary. I am researching the surnames: Vig, Csordas, Teibock, Forkosh, Fargas On Friday, August 8, 2014 3:01 AM, "donauschwaben-villages-request@rootsweb.com" <donauschwaben-villages-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > >To respond to a Digest Mode message, click reply, CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE TO REFLECT THE TOPIC - then delete any postings/text not specific to the message you are responding to. Otherwise it could cause your message to be too long and not get posted. Your cooperation is appreciated. > >Today's Topics: > > 1. FW: looking for a book on Sartscha - Banat (Nick Tullius) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 11:37:58 -0400 >From: "Nick Tullius" <ntullius@rogers.com> >Subject: [DVHH] FW: looking for a book on Sartscha - Banat >To: <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <000301cfb255$91040dc0$b30c2940$@com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >I am hoping that some List member can help Linda. > >Nick > > > >The following feedback was sent by Linda Obermaier (linda@evhtc.com) via the >www.dvhh.org Contact page: > >My aunt who is 93 had a book about Sartscha - Banat and somehow through the >years it got lost. My aunt and mother (Krieger) come from there and we would >really like to find out how we can purchase it and was it ever translated >into English. Thank you Linda - 519-858-0788, London, ON Canada > >DVHH-L Subscriber: N > > >IP Address: 184.145.69.91 > > > >------------------------------ > > > >End of DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES Digest, Vol 7, Issue 210 >****************************************************** > > >

My apologies. I may have confused people with my syntax. It was my grandmother who talked about Alsace-Lorraine not the researcher. Yes, I know most immigrants to the Banat registered in Vienna. I am sure my grandmother did not know that and believed that her ancestors got there through the military. (I still do not have an answer to that.) The researcher I used has access right now ONLY to Timis County record archives in Timisoara and the Roman Catholic Timis Dioceses archives. She does not travel to do research at present. She does not do the rest of Romania. So if your ancestors' village was in Timis county at one time, their records may be in the archives. (Many books as you know are missing.) If they lived somewhere else, it is unlikely she can help you. My apologies if I was not clear. Diane Diane Halas 239-592-9969 From: Bob Hain [mailto:robertfhain@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 4:38 PM To: Diane Halas; 'DVHH Mail List' Subject: RE: [DVHH] Breakthrough encouragement Diane, Is it her claim that immigrants to the Banat all traveled through Alsace-lorraine? I have read over the years that there were several start up points and eventually they all went through Vienna. Do you think that she can get information through these archives for me? My ancestors traveled to Glogowatz Romania previously Othalom Hungary, and and during the time between 1750 and 1775. Can you ask her to email me? Bob Hain /Hein I just had a 15 year roadblock erased by a breakthrough with help from a researcher in Timisoara who went to the archives for me. Moral 1: Some information is only available in the archives. Moral 2: Don't put too much weight in family stories. My migrants to the Banat were a good four generations before I was told and they went from an as-yet-unidentified place in Alsace-Lorraine to unidentified place, then to Billed and only then to Orzydorf. This is very different from the stories - quite a few generations were left out. I have added new ancestral names and looking at old resources with a new eye. Right now I am trying to find out from where these folks migrated. If anyone shares ancestors with these names or spellings, I would love to hear from you. New names or spellings and places: Heil - Orzydorf (specifically the parents of Jacobus Heil b. before 1805) Fridrich - Billed (specifically the parents of Ignatius Fridrich b.1757) Jost - Billed Ningl, Ningl - Billed The gal in Timisoara who helped me and another list member is familiar with the archives, college educated, and fluent in English and Romanian. I now her personally. She is less expensive than the pros and does this on her days off. I don't know whether I am allowed by the list to post her contact information, but I would be happy to provide it if you email me. She uses Pay Pal for payment. > To: Donauschwaben-Villages-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 12:02:11 -0400 > Subject: [DVHH] Breakthrough encouragement > From: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > I just had a 15 year roadblock erased by a breakthrough with help from a > researcher in Timisoara who went to the archives for me. > Moral 1: Some information is only available in the archives. > Moral 2: Don't put too much weight in family stories. My migrants to the > Banat were a good four generations before I was told and they went from an > as-yet-unidentified place in Alsace-Lorraine to unidentified place, then to > Billed and only then to Orzydorf. This is very different from the stories - > quite a few generations were left out. I have added new ancestral names and > looking at old resources with a new eye. > > Right now I am trying to find out from where these folks migrated. If > anyone shares ancestors with these names or spellings, I would love to hear > from you. > > New names or spellings and places: > Heil - Orzydorf (specifically the parents of Jacobus Heil b. before 1805) > Fridrich - Billed (specifically the parents of Ignatius Fridrich b.1757) > Jost - Billed > Ningl, Ningl - Billed > > The gal in Timisoara who helped me and another list member is familiar with > the archives, college educated, and fluent in English and Romanian. I now > her personally. She is less expensive than the pros and does this on her > days off. I don't know whether I am allowed by the list to post her > contact information, but I would be happy to provide it if you email me. She > uses Pay Pal for payment. > > Diane Halas > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is my first request on this list so am looking for direction from Listers to get the information I am looking for. My research is for my Son in Law who came to Australia in 1953 from Germany . His mother Marianne Taugner was born in Alexanderhausen in 1925. She had a brother Johann and a sister Elizabeta. Her mother's name was Magdalena Stenger. I am requesting any information or direction on this family. At present this is as much as we know as both Marianne and her husband have passed on . Looking forward to any replies . Thankyou in advance Gail

Hi Diane. I would also appreciate the info on the researcher that u used. If u would be so kind as to send me the info at bbd2424@gmail.com Thanks so much Barb D. -----Original Message----- From: Diane Halas via Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:02 AM To: 'DVHH Mail List' Subject: [DVHH] Breakthrough encouragement I just had a 15 year roadblock erased by a breakthrough with help from a researcher in Timisoara who went to the archives for me. Moral 1: Some information is only available in the archives. Moral 2: Don't put too much weight in family stories. My migrants to the Banat were a good four generations before I was told and they went from an as-yet-unidentified place in Alsace-Lorraine to unidentified place, then to Billed and only then to Orzydorf. This is very different from the stories - quite a few generations were left out. I have added new ancestral names and looking at old resources with a new eye. Right now I am trying to find out from where these folks migrated. If anyone shares ancestors with these names or spellings, I would love to hear from you. New names or spellings and places: Heil - Orzydorf (specifically the parents of Jacobus Heil b. before 1805) Fridrich - Billed (specifically the parents of Ignatius Fridrich b.1757) Jost - Billed Ningl, Ningl - Billed The gal in Timisoara who helped me and another list member is familiar with the archives, college educated, and fluent in English and Romanian. I now her personally. She is less expensive than the pros and does this on her days off. I don't know whether I am allowed by the list to post her contact information, but I would be happy to provide it if you email me. She uses Pay Pal for payment. Diane Halas ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Hans Kopp<mailto:hanskopp.anni@yahoo.com> Sent: ‎9/‎12/‎2014 4:59 PM To: Rita Schiwanowitsch<mailto:schiwanore@msn.com> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Breakthrough encouragement Hi Listers To the question; did all travel through Lothringen? No only the ones from Lothringen when they left. They had to travel through several other Bundeslaender to reach Ulm on the Danube from where they traveled on the so called Ulmer Schachteln to Vienna from where they continued to travel down the Danube to several destinations. There is a good article written by Gottfried Stemmer describing such a voyage. if you Google it you shall find it. Hans On Friday, September 12, 2014 5:49 PM, Rita Schiwanowitsch via <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hello..... I would also like contact information for the researcher in Romania. Thank you, Rita > To: dvhalas@comcast.net; donauschwaben-villages-l@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:38:14 -0400 > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Breakthrough encouragement > From: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > Diane,Is it her claim that immigrants to the Banat all traveled through Alsace-lorraine? I have read over the years that there were several start up points and eventually they all went through Vienna. Do you think that she can get information through these archives for me? My ancestors traveled to Glogowatz Romania previously Othalom Hungary, and and during the time between 1750 and 1775. Can you ask her to email me?Bob Hain /Hein > I just had a 15 year roadblock erased by a breakthrough with help from aresearcher in Timisoara who went to the archives for me. Moral 1: Some information is only available in the archives. Moral 2: Don't put too much weight in family stories. My migrants to theBanat were a good four generations before I was told and they went from anas-yet-unidentified place in Alsace-Lorraine to unidentified place, then toBilled and only then to Orzydorf. This is very different from the stories -quite a few generations were left out. I have added new ancestral names andlooking at old resources with a new eye.Right now I am trying to find out from where these folks migrated. Ifanyone shares ancestors with these names or spellings, I would love to hearfrom you.New names or spellings and places:Heil - Orzydorf (specifically the parents of Jacobus Heil b. before 1805)Fridrich - Billed (specifically the parents of Ignatius Fridrich b.1757)Jost - Billed Ningl, Ningl - BilledThe gal in Timisoar! a ! > who helped me and another list member is familiar withthe archives, college educated, and fluent in English and Romanian. I nowher personally. She is less expensive than the pros and does this on herdays off. I don't know whether I am allowed by the list to post hercontact information, but I would be happy to provide it if you email me. Sheuses Pay Pal for payment. > > To: Donauschwaben-Villages-L@rootsweb.com > > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 12:02:11 -0400 > > Subject: [DVHH] Breakthrough encouragement > > From: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > > > I just had a 15 year roadblock erased by a breakthrough with help from a > > researcher in Timisoara who went to the archives for me. > > Moral 1: Some information is only available in the archives. > > Moral 2: Don't put too much weight in family stories. My migrants to the > > Banat were a good four generations before I was told and they went from an > > as-yet-unidentified place in Alsace-Lorraine to unidentified place, then to > > Billed and only then to Orzydorf. This is very different from the stories - > > quite a few generations were left out. I have added new ancestral names and > > looking at old resources with a new eye. > > > > Right now I am trying to find out from where these folks migrated. If > > anyone shares ancestors with these names or spellings, I would love to hear > > from you. > > > > New names or spellings and places: > > Heil - Orzydorf (specifically the parents of Jacobus Heil b. before 1805) > > Fridrich - Billed (specifically the parents of Ignatius Fridrich b.1757) > > Jost - Billed > > Ningl, Ningl - Billed > > > > The gal in Timisoara who helped me and another list member is familiar with > > the archives, college educated, and fluent in English and Romanian. I now > > her personally. She is less expensive than the pros and does this on her > > days off. I don't know whether I am allowed by the list to post her > > contact information, but I would be happy to provide it if you email me. She > > uses Pay Pal for payment. > > > > Diane Halas > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Diane,Is it her claim that immigrants to the Banat all traveled through Alsace-lorraine? I have read over the years that there were several start up points and eventually they all went through Vienna. Do you think that she can get information through these archives for me? My ancestors traveled to Glogowatz Romania previously Othalom Hungary, and and during the time between 1750 and 1775. Can you ask her to email me?Bob Hain /Hein I just had a 15 year roadblock erased by a breakthrough with help from aresearcher in Timisoara who went to the archives for me. Moral 1: Some information is only available in the archives. Moral 2: Don't put too much weight in family stories. My migrants to theBanat were a good four generations before I was told and they went from anas-yet-unidentified place in Alsace-Lorraine to unidentified place, then toBilled and only then to Orzydorf. This is very different from the stories -quite a few generations were left out. I have added new ancestral names andlooking at old resources with a new eye.Right now I am trying to find out from where these folks migrated. Ifanyone shares ancestors with these names or spellings, I would love to hearfrom you.New names or spellings and places:Heil - Orzydorf (specifically the parents of Jacobus Heil b. before 1805)Fridrich - Billed (specifically the parents of Ignatius Fridrich b.1757)Jost - Billed Ningl, Ningl - BilledThe gal in Timisoara who helped me and another list member is familiar withthe archives, college educated, and fluent in English and Romanian. I nowher personally. She is less expensive than the pros and does this on herdays off. I don't know whether I am allowed by the list to post hercontact information, but I would be happy to provide it if you email me. Sheuses Pay Pal for payment. > To: Donauschwaben-Villages-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 12:02:11 -0400 > Subject: [DVHH] Breakthrough encouragement > From: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > I just had a 15 year roadblock erased by a breakthrough with help from a > researcher in Timisoara who went to the archives for me. > Moral 1: Some information is only available in the archives. > Moral 2: Don't put too much weight in family stories. My migrants to the > Banat were a good four generations before I was told and they went from an > as-yet-unidentified place in Alsace-Lorraine to unidentified place, then to > Billed and only then to Orzydorf. This is very different from the stories - > quite a few generations were left out. I have added new ancestral names and > looking at old resources with a new eye. > > Right now I am trying to find out from where these folks migrated. If > anyone shares ancestors with these names or spellings, I would love to hear > from you. > > New names or spellings and places: > Heil - Orzydorf (specifically the parents of Jacobus Heil b. before 1805) > Fridrich - Billed (specifically the parents of Ignatius Fridrich b.1757) > Jost - Billed > Ningl, Ningl - Billed > > The gal in Timisoara who helped me and another list member is familiar with > the archives, college educated, and fluent in English and Romanian. I now > her personally. She is less expensive than the pros and does this on her > days off. I don't know whether I am allowed by the list to post her > contact information, but I would be happy to provide it if you email me. She > uses Pay Pal for payment. > > Diane Halas > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello..... I would also like contact information for the researcher in Romania. Thank you, Rita > To: dvhalas@comcast.net; donauschwaben-villages-l@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:38:14 -0400 > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Breakthrough encouragement > From: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > Diane,Is it her claim that immigrants to the Banat all traveled through Alsace-lorraine? I have read over the years that there were several start up points and eventually they all went through Vienna. Do you think that she can get information through these archives for me? My ancestors traveled to Glogowatz Romania previously Othalom Hungary, and and during the time between 1750 and 1775. Can you ask her to email me?Bob Hain /Hein > I just had a 15 year roadblock erased by a breakthrough with help from aresearcher in Timisoara who went to the archives for me. Moral 1: Some information is only available in the archives. Moral 2: Don't put too much weight in family stories. My migrants to theBanat were a good four generations before I was told and they went from anas-yet-unidentified place in Alsace-Lorraine to unidentified place, then toBilled and only then to Orzydorf. This is very different from the stories -quite a few generations were left out. I have added new ancestral names andlooking at old resources with a new eye.Right now I am trying to find out from where these folks migrated. Ifanyone shares ancestors with these names or spellings, I would love to hearfrom you.New names or spellings and places:Heil - Orzydorf (specifically the parents of Jacobus Heil b. before 1805)Fridrich - Billed (specifically the parents of Ignatius Fridrich b.1757)Jost - Billed Ningl, Ningl - BilledThe gal in Timisoara ! > who helped me and another list member is familiar withthe archives, college educated, and fluent in English and Romanian. I nowher personally. She is less expensive than the pros and does this on herdays off. I don't know whether I am allowed by the list to post hercontact information, but I would be happy to provide it if you email me. Sheuses Pay Pal for payment. > > To: Donauschwaben-Villages-L@rootsweb.com > > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 12:02:11 -0400 > > Subject: [DVHH] Breakthrough encouragement > > From: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > > > I just had a 15 year roadblock erased by a breakthrough with help from a > > researcher in Timisoara who went to the archives for me. > > Moral 1: Some information is only available in the archives. > > Moral 2: Don't put too much weight in family stories. My migrants to the > > Banat were a good four generations before I was told and they went from an > > as-yet-unidentified place in Alsace-Lorraine to unidentified place, then to > > Billed and only then to Orzydorf. This is very different from the stories - > > quite a few generations were left out. I have added new ancestral names and > > looking at old resources with a new eye. > > > > Right now I am trying to find out from where these folks migrated. If > > anyone shares ancestors with these names or spellings, I would love to hear > > from you. > > > > New names or spellings and places: > > Heil - Orzydorf (specifically the parents of Jacobus Heil b. before 1805) > > Fridrich - Billed (specifically the parents of Ignatius Fridrich b.1757) > > Jost - Billed > > Ningl, Ningl - Billed > > > > The gal in Timisoara who helped me and another list member is familiar with > > the archives, college educated, and fluent in English and Romanian. I now > > her personally. She is less expensive than the pros and does this on her > > days off. I don't know whether I am allowed by the list to post her > > contact information, but I would be happy to provide it if you email me. She > > uses Pay Pal for payment. > > > > Diane Halas > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Gail, Small world. I have Marianne Taugner in my family tree. She was my 5th cousin, 1x removed. What information are you seeking? I don't know anything about her after she emigrated to Australia. I can however, provide a full history of the Taugner's in Alexanderhausen. Robert Evensen -----Original Message----- From: Gail Gillis via Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 8:06 AM To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] Mariane Taugner This is my first request on this list so am looking for direction from Listers to get the information I am looking for. My research is for my Son in Law who came to Australia in 1953 from Germany . His mother Marianne Taugner was born in Alexanderhausen in 1925. She had a brother Johann and a sister Elizabeta. Her mother's name was Magdalena Stenger. I am requesting any information or direction on this family. At present this is as much as we know as both Marianne and her husband have passed on . Looking forward to any replies . Thankyou in advance Gail ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just had a 15 year roadblock erased by a breakthrough with help from a researcher in Timisoara who went to the archives for me. Moral 1: Some information is only available in the archives. Moral 2: Don't put too much weight in family stories. My migrants to the Banat were a good four generations before I was told and they went from an as-yet-unidentified place in Alsace-Lorraine to unidentified place, then to Billed and only then to Orzydorf. This is very different from the stories - quite a few generations were left out. I have added new ancestral names and looking at old resources with a new eye. Right now I am trying to find out from where these folks migrated. If anyone shares ancestors with these names or spellings, I would love to hear from you. New names or spellings and places: Heil - Orzydorf (specifically the parents of Jacobus Heil b. before 1805) Fridrich - Billed (specifically the parents of Ignatius Fridrich b.1757) Jost - Billed Ningl, Ningl - Billed The gal in Timisoara who helped me and another list member is familiar with the archives, college educated, and fluent in English and Romanian. I now her personally. She is less expensive than the pros and does this on her days off. I don't know whether I am allowed by the list to post her contact information, but I would be happy to provide it if you email me. She uses Pay Pal for payment. Diane Halas

Hallo Frank in Cape Coral! Like your post, all! But may I quote your last line - bottom line: "don't even like Face book... much info for others to steal your identify" Love your area and crossed the Ft. Myers-Bridge to 'Del Prado' in Cp. Coral many times! We live in the North again where the Wind blows so cold! Gary in Fairview Park/OH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank A Jakob via" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> To: "Susan Sander" <swan1200@hotmail.com> Cc: <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [DVHH] Ancestry DNA testing > Can someone tell me how much this cost and where to begin? > > I don't like making all this info public in case someone gets us mixed up > with some criminal thing because of a mistake in DNA > > I don't even like Facebook....too much info for other people to steal your > identy > > > > Thanks and Have a Great Day ! > > Frank A. Jakob, Cape Coral Flofida > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Sep 8, 2014, at 12:54 PM, Susan Sander via >> <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Thanks Roy ... for your explanation. I knew it was complicated and would >> have to spend a bit of >> time trying to understand all the information. >> >> I'm considering asking my brother to have his DNA tested ... just to see >> how his would differ since >> I am assuming his Y chromosome would bring more information. I will >> print out your explanation >> to help me understand more. >> >> You've started me on a quest to learn more about this type of testing. >> I just find it interesting ... >> and have heard that if we go back 1000 years we find we are all related >> ... which does make sense. >> >> Thanks for your help. >> >> Susan >> >> >> >> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 22:27:16 -0700 >> From: royengel@rogers.com >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Ancestry DNA testing >> To: swan1200@hotmail.com; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> >> Hi Susan,I have had some DNA ancestry testing done as well and I have a >> bit of a biology background. Without actually seeing the report of your >> results, I'm not sure whether your interpretations of these percentages >> reflect what these percentages actually mean. When these labs test your >> DNA, they are looking at specific markers on the mitochondrial DNA for >> both men and women (these are used to establish the maternal ancestry) >> and specific markers on the Y-chromosome for men (these establish the >> paternal ancestry). These markers, and there are two types, do >> not code for any physical or physiological traits. They are mutations >> that have occurred throughout the history of the human species. One >> type, and I will not go into the details here, mutates very rarely (over >> thousands of years) and is used to establish an individuals deep >> ancestral roots. The other type mutates more frequently (every several >> generations) and can be used to established how distantly two individuals >> are related. An enormous database of the distribution of these markers >> for people around the world has been compiled and it has been used, in >> combination with historical and archaeological records, to hypothesize >> how humans have migrated from the Rift Valley in Africa to all parts of >> the world. Perhaps you have seen such migration maps on the DNA testing >> websites. Since these labs cannot test every known marker for each >> individual, because the cost would be prohibitive, they test 10 to 25 >> representative >> markers and calculate the probability of the individual belonging to a >> particular group. The major groups have been designated by an alphabetic >> letter. For the Y-chromosome (paternal lines), there are 18 main groups: >> A to R. Within each group there are subgroups, which define the ancestry >> more precisely. I have personally had 25 markers tested and I have been >> identified, with a probability of about 90%, that I lie within sub-group >> R1b. This is no surprise, since this is a dominant group in western >> Europe. The more markers that you have tested, the higher the degree of >> certainty as to your ancestral roots. The subgroups also become more and >> more refined (more numbers and letters get added). The problem with this >> science is that throughout history, not all populations that were close >> relatives always migrated together. Therefore, there will always be some >> individuals that have ended up in a part of the >> world that is far from the region where most of there ancestors ended up. >> The end result is that there is quite a bit of "mixing" of these markers >> within a regional population. Hence, there will always be a degree of >> uncertainty. This is where the percentages that you have posted come >> from. So when you look at a map that shows the distribution of groups >> with a specific location, it often has a pie chart that shows the >> percentage of people in that area with each of the main groups present >> there. For mitochondrial DNA (maternal line), the same thing has been >> done. There are 20 main groups ( A to Z , for some reason O,P,Q,S and Y >> have been skipped) for the mDNA markers.Since the people of the world >> have been >> much more mobile for the last several decades and offspring from people >> of different ancestral genetic backgrounds more common, the distribution >> of these genetic markers are becoming much more homogenized throughout >> the world. Nevertheless, the geographical distributions have been firmly >> established and correspond well with the accepted anthropological >> theories of early human migrations. I wish to make it clear that I am >> not an expert in anthropology. Also, this is a fairly simple explanation >> of DNA ancestry testing. If someone wishes to know more about these >> markers, I can post that, but there is so much good information on the >> internet, it would be redundant for me to post it here.I also hope that I >> have not offended >> anyone's religious beliefs with this. If so, I apologize in advance and >> want to make it clear that I respect everyone's belief system and would >> never attempt to change them.Roy >> >> On Sunday, September 7, 2014 8:34 PM, Susan Sander via >> <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> >> I recently took or had administered the DNA testing from Ancestry.com My >> father's family came from Glogowatz, Hungary and can be traced through >> Neupanat; Sankta Anna and Sanktmarton. I have traced one line back to Au >> am Rhein. And my Reichert ancestors from Glogowatz -- family I have >> contacted recently said the Reichert's came from Alsace. My mother's >> family came from Bohemia or the Czech Republic. I have traced both >> paternal and maternal lines back to the early 1700's. This is the result >> of my tests: 37% Eastern Europe which would include Czech Republic, >> Slovakia; Hungary, Romania 23% Western Europe which includes Germany, >> France and Austria >> 23% Scandinavian My paternal aunt tested differently reflecting the >> paternal side of my family. 32% Western Europe 16% Italy; Greece 15% >> Great Britain 15% Eastern Europes 8% Scandinavian And traces of other >> places. I realize my results are different from my paternal aunt (due to >> my DNA from Mom's side). Has anyone else from the Banat tested in a >> similar manner and would they be willing to share the results. >> Obviously I don't mind my results being public on the list; if someone >> would rather share privatelythat would be fine also. I was just >> wondering if anyone else reading this list tested similar to me. >> Susan -------------------------------To >> unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Roy and the other list members that over blow DNA. You are not offending my religious philosophy, it just doesn't match. I believe some list members do not want to pass DVHH borders - regulations. It is still creation vs. evolution. Friend Gerhard in Cleveland >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message