Let's try this again. Schuessler (et al) Katy, Hungary Zircher (et al) unknown, but possibly Katy as well If anyone has any info on these two surnames, please contact me. I already have quite a bit of info on the Schuessler surname. Frank Schuessler was my grandfather who emigrated to the US in the early 1900's. My grandmother, Caroline Zircher, emigrated around the same time but she is a mystery. I cannot locate any info on her. I only know she was born in Nov of 1881/1882. That name does show up in ancestry.com, but that particular immigrant lived, married, had children, died and was buried in New Jersey. She is not the correct Caroline Zircher. And I find nothing on my grandmother until she married Frank Schuessler in St Louis, MO around 1910. Any help out there would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Sharon (Schuessler) McGuire

Hello all! What do you think, should we write, who owns wich family books? It may be helpful to know, who can look up which places. I have Sammelwerk donauschwäbischer Kolonialisten (Stefan Stader) P - SCHA Heimatbuch der Stadt Weißkirchen im Banat ----> Bela Crkva, Serbia Bildband zum Heimatbuch der Stadt Weißkirchen im Banat ----> Bela Crkva, Serbia Familienbuch Neudorf in der Batschka (Paul Scherer) ----> Bačko Novo Selo, Serbia If anyone likes to look up somebody, please feel free to ask. Liebe Grüße, Daniela

This is the only info I have: Schuessler, et al Katy, Hungary Zircher, et al

I have both FEDERMANN & GUTWEIN in my tree. FEDERMANN was my grandmother's surname and they came into Srem (Syrmia) from Kischker and Altker. They are very scattered once they get into Srem. Which has made connecting them all a bit difficult but you should definitely check Evangelical villages in any search for them. On a side note something I found interesting and one reason for me wanting to do a dna test is there is a rather famous FEDERMANN and I wonder if my family line is connected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolaus_Federmann I also have GUTWEIN in my tree, but not direct line. Also a family friend, I have found that many were indeed in Kac My 2 cents (maybe more) worth, Eve On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 12:55 AM, Darlene Dimitrie via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > Just my two cents about some surnames and towns I've seen go by in the > Roll Call. > ------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------- > > Remembered seeing the name GUTWEIN recently; also there was a lookup back > in 2013 about Gutweins in Katy, Yugoslavia. I can't read it because the > archives are down. > > Here is a recent obit for Maria Febel nee Gutwein. She is from KATY. > > I believe Katy is also known as Katsch/Kac and is today in Serbia just > northeast of Novi Sad. > > I think that the Febel family Maria married into is from Neu Schowe. They > are related to a family that one of my cousins married into. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > ----------------- > > Here's another obit that might be of interest, Theresia Federman > Febel-Schonherr. She was also married to Josef Federman who died in 1945. > http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/windsorstar/obituary.aspx? > n=theresia-febel-schonherr&pid=157240982 > I remember talking about Federmans in Schowe with Roy Engel at one of the > DVHH Southwestern Ontario get-togethers. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > If you go to the Windsor Star obituary site and do a search for all of > their entries (goes back to Nov 2002) for the KEYWORD of the surname you > are looking for, you can find more members of these families. Make sure to > pick "ALL TIME" by the calendar. > > http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/windsorstar/obituary- > search.aspx?affiliateid=3131&stateid=47 > > A handy index to all obits (death records) in the Windsor Star can be > found at: > http://projects.windsorpubliclibrary.com/digi/obits/index.php > The years covered are 1938, 1939, 1940 and 1945-now. > The date listed is the date it was published in the paper. > I can go to the library and pull obits off the microfilm if anyone wants. > > > -- > Darlene > http://www.dvhh.org/membership/associates.htm#D > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

Jody McKim Pharr, DVHH Webmistress, takes care of the website: http://www.dvhh.org/web1/contact.php?cuser=jmckim -----Original Message----- From: Daniela hieslmayr [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 6:25 AM To: Beth Tolfree Cc: 'DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-L' Subject: Re: RE: [DVHH] Look ups Oh thank you! I can‘t believe that I overlooked this or did not have it in my mind long enough. Who does the updates for this list? My books and contact can be added for lookups, if you want. BTW, during the last weeks I found out, many of my e-mails to my American and Australian contacs don‘t pass the spam filters. Beth Tolfree and Rita Schiwanowitsch, I wrote you e-mails (not in the mailing list but directly to your e-mail adresses), please let me know, if they did not reach you. Liebe Grüße, Daniela Gesendet mit der GMX Mail App Am 16.01.18 um 15:11 schrieb Beth Tolfree > Here's a link on the DVHH which lists those who have books and will do > look > ups: http://www.dvhh.org/community/reg-lookup-guides.html > > Beth Tolfree > > -----Original Message----- > From: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Daniela Hieslmayr via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 12:18 AM > To: DVHH Mail List > Subject: [DVHH] Look ups > > Hello all! > > What do you think, should we write, who owns wich family books? It may > be helpful to know, who can look up which places. > > I have > Sammelwerk donauschwäbischer Kolonialisten (Stefan Stader) P - SCHA > Heimatbuch der Stadt Weißkirchen im Banat ----> Bela Crkva, Serbia > Bildband zum Heimatbuch der Stadt Weißkirchen im Banat ----> Bela > Crkva, Serbia Familienbuch Neudorf in der Batschka (Paul Scherer) > ----> Bačko Novo Selo, Serbia > > If anyone likes to look up somebody, please feel free to ask. > > Liebe Grüße, Daniela > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is only one Weigand family listed in the Apatin Familienregister: Georg Weigand married Therese Strumberger on 31 May 1892. Listed as from Bataszek. Perhaps someone else on the List can find more relevant information. Beth From: Camilla Hardee [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 8:05 AM To: Beth Tolfree Subject: Re: [DVHH] Look ups Weigand brick wall I'm sending this directly to you to see if it has gone through to the list. I sent it a couple of days ago but haven't seen any acknowledgement that it passed the Spam filter. Thank you in advance for letting me know. Through ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/> , I found the following information on my husband’s great-great grandfather (who immigrated to America in 1904) in Romania, Vital Records: Arad, Bulci, romano-catolici (romisch-katholisch), 1852-1886. Norbertus Joannes Weigand, baptised January 12, 1870; parents Joannes Weigand and Clementina Stenda. Additional research shows that Joannes Evangelista Weigand and Clementina had 7 other children baptized in the same church between 1859 and 1872. Joannes E. Weigand, b. 1859; Antonius Weigand, b. 1861; Caroline Weigand, b. 1864; Alexander Weigand, b. 1865. Carolus Josephus Weigand, b. 1866, d. 1920; Francisca Magdalena, b. 1868; Norbertus J., b. 1870, d. 1943 in San Antonio, Texas, U.S.A., and Joanna Clementina, b. 1872. NOTE: Norbertus’ death certificate in America says he was born in Hungary instead of Romania. I assume that is because of border changes over the years. One of his son’s birth certificates specifies that Norbertus was born in Facset, Hungary. Can anyone offer a) insight into the above information b) death information on any of the above, except Norbertus; and c) suggestions on where to look for Joannes Weigand’s and Clementina Stenda’s birth/death information? I found another document in the United States that says Norbertus’ father was born in Vienna, Austria. Other family stories suggest the Weigands were from Germany. Any information you can provide is appreciated. Thank you. Cami Hardee Sent from my iPad

good idea......thank you > On January 16, 2018 at 3:17 AM Daniela Hieslmayr via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hello all! > > What do you think, should we write, who owns wich family books? It may be > helpful to know, who can look up which places. > > I have > Sammelwerk donauschwäbischer Kolonialisten (Stefan Stader) P - SCHA > Heimatbuch der Stadt Weißkirchen im Banat ----> Bela Crkva, Serbia > Bildband zum Heimatbuch der Stadt Weißkirchen im Banat ----> Bela Crkva, > Serbia > Familienbuch Neudorf in der Batschka (Paul Scherer) ----> Bačko Novo Selo, > Serbia > > If anyone likes to look up somebody, please feel free to ask. > > Liebe Grüße, Daniela > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here's a link on the DVHH which lists those who have books and will do look ups: http://www.dvhh.org/community/reg-lookup-guides.html Beth Tolfree -----Original Message----- From: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Daniela Hieslmayr via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 12:18 AM To: DVHH Mail List Subject: [DVHH] Look ups Hello all! What do you think, should we write, who owns wich family books? It may be helpful to know, who can look up which places. I have Sammelwerk donauschwäbischer Kolonialisten (Stefan Stader) P - SCHA Heimatbuch der Stadt Weißkirchen im Banat ----> Bela Crkva, Serbia Bildband zum Heimatbuch der Stadt Weißkirchen im Banat ----> Bela Crkva, Serbia Familienbuch Neudorf in der Batschka (Paul Scherer) ----> Bačko Novo Selo, Serbia If anyone likes to look up somebody, please feel free to ask. Liebe Grüße, Daniela ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings Dan, I cannot say for certain, but if there were a Haumann connection, it would have had to have happened much earlier. My grandfather is HAUMANN Andreas (b: 13Dec1869 in Palanka and married to REHLINGER Anna - b: 5Jul1875 also from Palanka). His father was HAUMANN Johann (b: 8Jul1844 in Szentfülöp and married JAKOBY Eva from Palanka). My records go back another two generations to a HAUMANN Sebastian (born 1790 in Szentfülöp). I suspect your Haumanns from Ceric may have migrated from Filipowa (Szentfülöp). As I was scanning the few HAUMANN (HAMAN) pages I have from the Filipowa book, I happened to see a reference to "Anna Untereiner" in the vicinity of a Georg HAUMANN but the birth year didn't seem quite right, and it's late and I'm getting blurry-eyed. I'll try to get back to you in the next few days when I'm more alert. John Haumann "The person who invented the pencil was smart, but the one who invented the eraser was brilliant," -- Author Unknown On Jan 15, 2018, at 6:58 PM, Andrea & Dan Walter via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES wrote: > John Haumann, > Any tie to the Haumanns that originated from Ceric? I have an great-uncle > George b. 1891, d. 1984 in Portland Oregon, with father Johann and mother > Anna Untereiner. > Dan Walter >

Just my two cents about some surnames and towns I've seen go by in the Roll Call. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Remembered seeing the name GUTWEIN recently; also there was a lookup back in 2013 about Gutweins in Katy, Yugoslavia. I can't read it because the archives are down. Here is a recent obit for Maria Febel nee Gutwein. She is from KATY. I believe Katy is also known as Katsch/Kac and is today in Serbia just northeast of Novi Sad. I think that the Febel family Maria married into is from Neu Schowe. They are related to a family that one of my cousins married into. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here's another obit that might be of interest, Theresia Federman Febel-Schonherr. She was also married to Josef Federman who died in 1945. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/windsorstar/obituary.aspx?n=theresia-febel-schonherr&pid=157240982 I remember talking about Federmans in Schowe with Roy Engel at one of the DVHH Southwestern Ontario get-togethers. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ If you go to the Windsor Star obituary site and do a search for all of their entries (goes back to Nov 2002) for the KEYWORD of the surname you are looking for, you can find more members of these families. Make sure to pick "ALL TIME" by the calendar. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/windsorstar/obituary-search.aspx?affiliateid=3131&stateid=47 A handy index to all obits (death records) in the Windsor Star can be found at: http://projects.windsorpubliclibrary.com/digi/obits/index.php The years covered are 1938, 1939, 1940 and 1945-now. The date listed is the date it was published in the paper. I can go to the library and pull obits off the microfilm if anyone wants. -- Darlene http://www.dvhh.org/membership/associates.htm#D

Speaking of inter-religious marriages, when I was in Neue Schowe this summer, I saw the plot of what the map says was once a Jewish cemetery. It was directly behind my grandfather’s house. It is now a plum orchard. Does anyone know anything about the Jews of Batschka? There’s a beautiful, giant and now abandoned synagogue in Novi Sad. Greg > On Jan 15, 2018, at 3:26 PM, Kelly Dazet via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi everyone! > > > I have found all of the Roll Call messages and responses extremely interesting! There have been so many villages and names that I've not been familiar with. I have the impression that most are Catholic villages and families. Whereas our Donaushaben were Lutheran and probably came later to Hungary. I know our families must have come about 1885-1886 to the Batschka. So the villages that I'm most familiar with are Kischker, Tscherwenka, Werbass, Torshau, Jarick, and Sekitsch. > > > I do have some questions about all of this: > > > From 1786 onward, how religion segregated were our Donauschaben ancestors and how common would inter-religion marriages have been? > > > I ask this because my hypothetical ancestor Johann Burghard Dietrich * 1769, who was Lutheran living in Kischker married a Catholic Christina Querin in Kula in 1788 (according to the Kula OSB). I can't find any more information about this couple nor about their parents. Did they move to another village? I assume they lived in Kischker. > > > Does anyone have information about this couple living in any other Donauschaben village? Could be Lutheran, could be Catholic. Or information about Johann Burghard's parents Michael Dietrich, his wife Maria Gertraud Hoffmann or their other son Johann Matthais Dietrich? > > > Thank you! > > > Kind regards, > > > Kelly > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

________________________________ Hello there, I am searching for information on my relatives from small towns located close to Kikinda, Serbia MALY/MALI/KIRER - Basaid RENJI/RENYI/DIPPONG - Bikacs Thanking you in advance for any information that is able to be provided. Kind regards, Ingrid Petrovics On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 6:21 PM, DVHH-L Administrator via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > It's that time of year again - ROLL CALL time! > > Time to list the surnames and the towns you are researching. > > I will send out an example of a roll call message using my surnames > and towns. Yours does not have to look exactly like this, but please > make it easy to read. The first 2 examples, by surname or by town are > the easiest way. > > The subject line should indicate what is most important to you - in my > case, my most important surnames and town. > > Look forward to hearing from everyone! > > > > > ----------------------------------------------- > Darlene Dimitrie > DVHH-L Email List Administrator

Thank you, Michael, I will check it out. One of my husband’s first cousins is a Bonigut. When we first came to Canada I worked in a packaging plant with Stefan Minich. I knew the Nagels in Toronto, but I think they moved to Kitchener. There were a number of Reinprecht. One of my husband’s cousins lives in Cleveland. Anne D.

I find the possibility of connection with Jewish families from the Banat to be very interesting.  My wife's family, Liebgott, have been Catholic for as far back as the family records go, to the 1880s, but there are some anomolies.  In the HBO television series "Band of Brothers" about WW2, from ten or so years ago, one of the characters was my wife's cousin Joseph Liebgott, who was portrayed as Jewish.  I have spent a lot of time on websites related to the TV series trying to "correct" the story that he was Jewish.  However, in my genealogical research, I have found an archived record of his membership card in a San Francisco Jewish serviceman's club.  Some of his fellow soldiers thought he was Jewish, and he could have been playing off the perception that Liebgott "sounds Jewish" to gain access to another watering hole in which to drink.  (We military types take advantage of every opportunity available).   Or, he could have been going off some family history (now forgotten) that the family had Jewish roots. Even though I find this unlikely (my father in law, of Joseph Liebgott's generation, certainly had no notion of the family having Jewish roots), I still find the possibility interesting.  I would be interested in hearing from anyone else with a Liebgott or Zimmermann connection from the Banat. On 1/15/2018 6:16 PM, mep via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES wrote: > It might not have been common but it did happen. > > Do not forget Jewish. My maternal line goes back to Deta, Romania to the > 1780's. My great grandmother was from a Jewish family (a brother of hers > changed his surname to a more German sounding name to avoid the > antisemitism of the day). My grandparents was Catholic. This explains the > small percentage of Jewish genes in my DNA. > > Martin > > > On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 1:37 PM, John Haumann via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Kelly, >> >> I suspect inter-religion marriages were not that uncommon. My father was >> originally from a Catholic village (Palanka) and my mother from a Lutheran >> village (Sekitsch). >> >> >> John Haumann >> >> >> ===== >> >> On Jan 15, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Kelly Dazet via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone! >>> >>> >>> I have found all of the Roll Call messages and responses extremely >> interesting! There have been so many villages and names that I've not been >> familiar with. I have the impression that most are Catholic villages and >> families. Whereas our Donaushaben were Lutheran and probably came later to >> Hungary. I know our families must have come about 1885-1886 to the >> Batschka. So the villages that I'm most familiar with are Kischker, >> Tscherwenka, Werbass, Torshau, Jarick, and Sekitsch. >>> >>> I do have some questions about all of this: >>> >>> >>> From 1786 onward, how religion segregated were our Donauschaben >> ancestors and how common would inter-religion marriages have been? >>> >>> I ask this because my hypothetical ancestor Johann Burghard Dietrich * >> 1769, who was Lutheran living in Kischker married a Catholic Christina >> Querin in Kula in 1788 (according to the Kula OSB). I can't find any more >> information about this couple nor about their parents. Did they move to >> another village? I assume they lived in Kischker. >>> >>> Does anyone have information about this couple living in any other >> Donauschaben village? Could be Lutheran, could be Catholic. Or >> information about Johann Burghard's parents Michael Dietrich, his wife >> Maria Gertraud Hoffmann or their other son Johann Matthais Dietrich? >>> >>> Thank you! >>> >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> >>> Kelly >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Katharina, If you go on Google, just type in lager Oradour, Tirol. There are several sites of it. I don't know if the have a list of the refugees. Anne D. -----Original Message----- From: rosiebear--- via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 9:29 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DVHH] Oradour Lager, Schwaz, Tirol, Austria I have reason to believe that my family ended up in the Oradour Lager in Schwaz, Tirol, Austria. I know that two of my mother’s sisters where born in Schwaz which is why I believe that the Oradour Lager is the place where they ended up. My Mother has told me about the Lager while she was still alive but I am not sure if it was called Oradour at the time. Does anyone have any information on this? They travelled from Marienfeld to Austria before ending up in Canada. Katharina Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nancy, I also found dates of Elizabeth (Laljer) Layer and her parents, are you interested? Anni     Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. Januar 2018 um 22:54 Uhr Von: "Annamaria Lorenz via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES" <[email protected]> An: [email protected] Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Betreff: [DVHH] Johann Bohn Lenauheim Aw: roll call Hello Nancy   according to the Family book Csatád/Lenauheim of Dietmar Giel  under number 795 your John Bohn was born 14 Sept 1881 in Lenauheim  as forth child to Johann Bohn and Barbara Kiefer Johann Bohn senior  born 13 Okt. 1841 in Lenauheim died 10 feb 1893 Lenauheim Barbara Kiefer was his second wife with 4 children  they married 31 jan 1876 in Lenauheim  witnesses: Johann Racher and Johann Brescher Barbara Kiefer was born 21 June 1858 in Großjetscha, she died 27 Okt 1936 in Lenauheim parents: Valentin Kiefer and Angela Racher   Enjoy this information Anni   Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. Januar 2018 um 18:25 Uhr Von: "Nancy Perry via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES" <[email protected]> An: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Betreff: [DVHH] roll call  Working on the John Bohn family..John came to the US in 1904. John's parents were thought to be Johann Bohn and Barbara Keifer.  Some of his papers show him as being born in 1881 in Csatád Hungry .. which I recently discovered is now Lenauheim TimișCounty, Banat, Romania. John married Anna Elizabeth (Laljer) Layer in the Cincinnati Ohio in 1904.  Her parents were Peter (Laljer) Layer and Theresa Altmeyer who are also believed to have lived in the same area as John Bohn.Nancy Perry   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My brick wall is I'm trying to find the parents of Franz HERMAN born in 1751, but I don't know where he was born. He married Margaretha KLEIN on 9 Jan 1774 in Apatin. Franz died on 14 Mar 1829 in Batschsentiwan.   ThanksBill Herman

Hi everyone! I have found all of the Roll Call messages and responses extremely interesting! There have been so many villages and names that I've not been familiar with. I have the impression that most are Catholic villages and families. Whereas our Donaushaben were Lutheran and probably came later to Hungary. I know our families must have come about 1885-1886 to the Batschka. So the villages that I'm most familiar with are Kischker, Tscherwenka, Werbass, Torshau, Jarick, and Sekitsch. I do have some questions about all of this: >From 1786 onward, how religion segregated were our Donauschaben ancestors and how common would inter-religion marriages have been? I ask this because my hypothetical ancestor Johann Burghard Dietrich * 1769, who was Lutheran living in Kischker married a Catholic Christina Querin in Kula in 1788 (according to the Kula OSB). I can't find any more information about this couple nor about their parents. Did they move to another village? I assume they lived in Kischker. Does anyone have information about this couple living in any other Donauschaben village? Could be Lutheran, could be Catholic. Or information about Johann Burghard's parents Michael Dietrich, his wife Maria Gertraud Hoffmann or their other son Johann Matthais Dietrich? Thank you! Kind regards, Kelly

Hello Anne, I have an ever-growing tree of ancestors from Ruma. The two blue books, "Rumaer Dokumentation, I & II", have been very helpful. On p. 263 of vol. II the origin of Thomas DREER is given as Dossenheim-Schriesheim, Mittelneckar (this would have been Rheinpfalz at the time, I believe). On his way to Ruma he stopped in Tolna, Hungary as did many of the early settlers of Ruma who came in the 1740's. It is my belief that all the DREHERs, DREERs, etc. descend from Thomas based on the writings in these two books. Contrary to your statement, there is quite a good deal of information on many of the original immigrants, their year of arrival and general (often specific) place of origin. I would recommend having a look - you may be surprised! Nearly all of the names you list from Toronto are among my ancestors. My grandmother was a NAGEL and she had great-grandmothers REINPRECHT, MINNICH and BONIGUT. In regard to your comment regarding house names in Ruma, not all families had one. The NAGELs were one of the biggest families, but there were no house names used. Hello Eric, May seem obvious, but if your great-grandfather Anton FELKER immigrated to Chicago in 1921, have you looked for a death certificate to see if parents are listed? There ought to be one by that time in that area. Best regards, Mike > > ________________________________ > From: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> > on behalf of anna dreer via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < > [email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2018 11:32 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Ruma Connection > > Hello Mike, > There were quite a few Dreers in Ruma. Unfortunately all of the the > ?older? generation is long dead, (those who were adults when they fled). > Do you have the names of other Ruma relatives? > According to my husband?s family their name was always spelled without > an h. > There were even other Dreer families that my husband was not related to. > If you go on Christoph Stoepel?s ?GEOGEN? page you will find most Dreers > in Bavaria. It gives the percentage of Dreers from all regions of Germany. > The first settlers came 1749 from W?rttemberg, the Palatine and > Oberfranken. Their dialect was definitely Bavarian /Frankish. They always > insisted they were not Donauschwowe, but Roamer ?Deitsche?. Officially > they were DS. When we lived in Toronto there were a lot of Rumaer > families: Rupp, Nagel, Reinprecht, Dillmetz, Habenschuss, Wolf, Minich, > Linzner, Kaufmann, Bornbaum, Bonigut, Schoblocher..... > > Do you have the two Ruma books. There is a lot of history since the first > settlers arrived, but no individual towns or dates of origin. > They list all the male residents but no spouses or birth , marriage or > death dates. > i?m sorry I have no other information. My husband died in seventeen years > ago. > Anne Dreer > In freezing Ontario > > > From: Michael Ewing > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2018 11:10 AM > To: Anne Dreer > Subject: Ruma Connection > > Hello Anne, > > I hope you had a wonderful holiday season with your family. It has been a > while since we corresponded and in the meanwhile, I have established a > DREHER lineage for my family going back to the original Ruma immigrant, > Thomas DREER through his son Balthasar. As you surely know, the name was > spelled a variety of ways: Dreher, Dreer, Treer, etc. > > I was wondering if your husband has information on his descent to see how > we may connect. > > Best regards, > Mike Ewing > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 01:55:04 +0000 (UTC) > From: Eric Jiran <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [DVHH] Roll Call: RUMA - Felker, Hoffman, Pendl, Wolf > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > My great - grandparents were Anton Felker and Eva Hoffman. > Eva's parents were Ivan Hoffman and Elizabeta Pendl. > Elizabeta's parents were Pavao Pendl and Ana Wolf. > > In 1921, Anton & Eva, along with Elizabeta (now Molnar, she was a widower > twice), and Elizabeta's three step children from her marriage with Molnar, > immigrated to Chicago. > > I know nothing of Anton's parent's or family, except that his mother's > first name was Magdelena. > > Cheers! > Eric Jiran > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 21:44:16 -0500 > From: anna dreer <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [DVHH] Ruma > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello Eric, > Do you know any of the Wolf descendants? Which house name did your Ana > Wolf?s family have? > > Are you familiar with the house names? In Ruma every family had a ?house > name? The Wolfs we knew in Toronto had the house name ?Paki?.My husband?s > Dreers were ?Wusl. > His mother?s side was Linzner, but the house name was Reka. > > Anne Dreer >

There is nothing in the Apatin books to indicate where they may have originated before Apatin. Beth -----Original Message----- From: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Ewing via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 7:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DVHH] VERBANATZ, VRBANAC, VRBANEK John, Beth, Thank you for your responses. My Mathias VERBANACZ must have been born by about 1767 so if there is a connection, he'd either be a much younger brother or a nephew of Georg. I don't suppose there is any information on where this family came from before Apatin or general source locations for immigrants to the town at this time, but if that's an incorrect assumption, please let me know. Thanks, Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: John Wrbanek [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2018 8:11 PM > To: 'Beth Tolfree'; 'Michael Ewing'; 'DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-L' > Subject: RE: [DVHH] VERBANATZ, VRBANAC, VRBANEK > > Michael, what you see below is essentially what Beth sent me earlier > on Verbanatz from Apatin. Michael (b.1777) and Elizabeth had many > children in Apatin between 1829 and 1843: Juliana (13.6.1829), Joseph > (24.2.1832), Michael (16.4.1836), Anna (24.4.1839), Joannes > (10.7.1840), Theresia > (12.2.1842) and Ferentz (9.10.1843). Records show that at least > Michael > (father) and children Julianna, Joseph, and Michael living Veliskovci > by > 1851 (shout-out thanks to distant cousin Ivan Kovac for digging that > up), but we don't know if the others were with them. My understanding > is that the re-settlement of Veliskovci didn't begin until after 1840, > and the first church was built in 1860 so records before that are > difficult to come by for that town. It is such a unique name that a > traceable connection between the Apatin Verbanatz and Ruma Verbanatz > should be possible. > > Thank you Beth. Is there any more information on Josef Becker & > Katharina Lauterbach's family? > > Thanks, > John Wrbanek > > > Subject: RE: [DVHH] VERBANATZ, VRBANAC, VRBANEK > > Michael, what you see below is essentially what Beth sent me earlier > on Verbanatz from Apatin. Michael (b.1777) and Elizabeth had many > children in Apatin between 1829 and 1843: Juliana (13.6.1829), Joseph > (24.2.1832), Michael (16.4.1836), Anna (24.4.1839), Joannes > (10.7.1840), Theresia > (12.2.1842) and Ferentz (9.10.1843). Records show that at least > Michael > (father) and children Julianna, Joseph, and Michael living Veliskovci > by > 1851 (shout-out thanks to distant cousin Ivan Kovac for digging that > up), but we don't know if the others were with them. My understanding > is that the re-settlement of Veliskovci didn't begin until after 1840, > and the first church was built in 1860 so records before that are > difficult to come by for that town. It is such a unique name that a > traceable connection between the Apatin Verbanatz and Ruma Verbanatz > should be possible. > > Thank you Beth. Is there any more information on Josef Becker & > Katharina Lauterbach's family? > > Thanks, > John Wrbanek > > -----Original Message----- > From: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Beth > Tolfree via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2018 4:28 PM > To: 'Michael Ewing' <[email protected]>; 'DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-L' > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DVHH] VERBANATZ, VRBANAC, VRBANEK > > VERBONATZ from J.P.Schwend's 'Familienregister Apatin/Abthausen' page 798: > > ?... *1777 Georg VERBONATZ Katharina ZLAMENJAK of ? 5 > children > I. 13 Jan 1807 Michael VERBONATZ Susanna DOMBOVITSCH > II. 13 Feb 1827 Michael VERBONATZ Elisabeth BECKER 11 children > > ---below is copied and pasted from Schwend's CD-Rom: > Nr. 20 Verbonatz Michael Apatin verwitwet > 13.02. Witwer der Dombovitsch Susanna > 1827 Becker Elisabeth Apatin ledig > E " Josef > Lautenbach Katharina > Tr. Z. Dombovitsch Anton und Becker Balthasar getraut von Herold > Johann Kaplan > > VERBONATZ from Jakob Schuy's 'Familienbuch Apatin' - pages 824 and 825: > > Georg VERBONATZ b. 1741 d. 12 Feb 1826 age 85 m. 13 Feb 1776 Katharina > ZLAMENAK (widow) b. 1739 d. 03 Sep 1807 age 66 > Children: > Michael b. 19 Sep 1777 m. 13 Oct 1807 Susanna Dombovits Theresia b. > 02 Jan 1779 m. 04 ul 1803 Stefan Szobanovits Georg b. 16 Nov > 1780 Lorenz b. 10 Aug 1782 d. 24 Jul 1784 Josef b. 13 Apr 1784 d. 01 > Jun > 1795 Sebastian b. 20 Jan 1786 > > Georg VERBONATZ age 33 > m. 12 Aug 1793 > Elisabeth BELIAZI b. 24 Sep 1775 daughter of Martin B /Katharina Vestiak > `Children: > Eva b. 23 Dec 1796 d. 13 Jul 1800 > Juliana b. 15 Jun 1799 d. 28 Nov 1800 Maria Anna b. 06 Sep 1801 > Juliana b. 13 Mar 1804 Adam b. 10 Dec 1806 d. 11 Dec 1806 Eva b. > 10 Dec 1806 d. 23 Dec 1806 Mathias b. 27 Jan 1809 Katharina b. 27 > Jan 1811 d. 11 Feb 1811 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Michael Ewing via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2018 8:22 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DVHH] VERBANATZ, VRBANAC, VRBANEK > > John (and Beth too), > > I'm looking to connect my VERBANACZ family in Ruma. Around 1811 > Erasmus NOLL married Elisabeth VERBANACZ, however a marriage record > has not been found in Ruma. Her parents were Mathias VERBANACZ and > Sophia/Josepha SEBEK (SEEBECK). Elisabeth was born 1794 in Ruma, but > it is likely her parents were from elsewhere. > > I was wondering if you might be able to share the information you have > on the VERBANACZ family, whether from Apatin or from Veliskovci, in > case I can determine a connection now or at a later date after I have > done additional research. > > Thank you and best regards, > Mike > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message