So, after making my way through a variety of articles online about various churches, I have to admit I still don’t really understand what “GRNU" is getting at. Protestants like Lutherans or Calvinists (Reformed) as Christians not Roman/Greek Catholic and not Greek Orthodox, as Dan suggested, would make sense. I’m not sure then why the “Greek” part of the label - I can’t find any mention of differences in liturgy, etc. between those groups in the Banat and elsewhere. And the GRNU abbreviation itself doesn’t seem that common in the other FBs I’ve looked at, though maybe that’s just a function of the religions prevalent in each town. This would just be one of those things that I’d notice and then move on, except of course it’s a label attached to a possible relative and now I feel compelled to understand it. :-) -Linda On Mar 28, 2018, at 6:35 PM, Rose Mary Keller Hughes <[email protected]> wrote: > In Semlak, there is a Greek Orthodox church. I don't know how large their congregation is but the church looks quite nice. However, the DS churches in the community look lovely in photos until someone points out the cracks in the walls and ceilings. > > Rose Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Sedley <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 3:40 PM > To: Linda Sohl <[email protected]>; DVHH Mail List <[email protected]>; Roy Engel <[email protected]> > Subject: [DVHH] Re: GRNU abbreviation? > > Linda, > > Though I’m not an expert in this field, I interpreted that to mean a Greek church in the Protestant tradition, rather than Orthodox or Catholic. I believe that such Greek denominations were a small minority at that time in comparison to Orthodox and Catholic. I’ve never run across any in my research, but they are obviously out there, based on your question and the abbreviation reference in the Familienbuch Bogarosch. Here is a link that might explain this better than I can. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_and_uniting_churches <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_and_uniting_churches> > > Best to you in your research. > > Dan > > >> On Mar 28, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Linda Sohl <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Thanks for that information, Dan. It does lead me to an obvious follow-up question, though - which churches (then, or now) would be considered "Greek, not united" that are neither Greek-Catholic (one of the 23 churches in communion with Rome, listed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_particular_churches_and_liturgical_rites#Particular_churches_sui_iuris ), nor Greek Orthodox? >> >> -Linda >> >> >> On Mar 28, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Daniel Sedley <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> In the Abkürzungen (abbreviations) section of the Familienbuch Bogarosch, under Konfessionen (Religious Denominations), grnu is Griechisch nicht uniert (Greek not united), differentiated from go (Griechisch-orthodox) and grka (Griechisch-katholisch). >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 11:44 PM, Roy Engel <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I have never seen that abbreviation before. I am assuming that it is German and I can't think what the GR would stand for, but the NU might stand for "Namen Unbekannt" (Name Unknown). This is just a guess. >>>> Roy >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 10:54 PM, Linda Sohl <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> In the new Gross Betschkerek familienbuch, does anyone know what the abbreviation “GRNU” means? It’s not listed up front with other abbreviations (or else I’ve overlooked it). I see it following some people’s names, where there might otherwise be a note about a person’s occupation or marital status. >>>> >>>> -Linda >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus

In Semlak, there is a Greek Orthodox church. I don't know how large their congregation is but the church looks quite nice. However, the DS churches in the community look lovely in photos until someone points out the cracks in the walls and ceilings. Rose Mary -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Sedley <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 3:40 PM To: Linda Sohl <[email protected]>; DVHH Mail List <donauschwabe[email protected]>; Roy Engel <[email protected]> Subject: [DVHH] Re: GRNU abbreviation? Linda, Though I’m not an expert in this field, I interpreted that to mean a Greek church in the Protestant tradition, rather than Orthodox or Catholic. I believe that such Greek denominations were a small minority at that time in comparison to Orthodox and Catholic. I’ve never run across any in my research, but they are obviously out there, based on your question and the abbreviation reference in the Familienbuch Bogarosch. Here is a link that might explain this better than I can. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_and_uniting_churches <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_and_uniting_churches> Best to you in your research. Dan > On Mar 28, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Linda Sohl <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks for that information, Dan. It does lead me to an obvious follow-up question, though - which churches (then, or now) would be considered "Greek, not united" that are neither Greek-Catholic (one of the 23 churches in communion with Rome, listed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_particular_churches_and_liturgical_rites#Particular_churches_sui_iuris ), nor Greek Orthodox? > > -Linda > > > On Mar 28, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Daniel Sedley <[email protected]> wrote: > >> In the Abkürzungen (abbreviations) section of the Familienbuch Bogarosch, under Konfessionen (Religious Denominations), grnu is Griechisch nicht uniert (Greek not united), differentiated from go (Griechisch-orthodox) and grka (Griechisch-katholisch). >> >> Dan >> >> >> >>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 11:44 PM, Roy Engel <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I have never seen that abbreviation before. I am assuming that it is German and I can't think what the GR would stand for, but the NU might stand for "Namen Unbekannt" (Name Unknown). This is just a guess. >>> Roy >>> >>> On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 10:54 PM, Linda Sohl <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> In the new Gross Betschkerek familienbuch, does anyone know what the abbreviation “GRNU” means? It’s not listed up front with other abbreviations (or else I’ve overlooked it). I see it following some people’s names, where there might otherwise be a note about a person’s occupation or marital status. >>> >>> -Linda >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Linda, Though I’m not an expert in this field, I interpreted that to mean a Greek church in the Protestant tradition, rather than Orthodox or Catholic. I believe that such Greek denominations were a small minority at that time in comparison to Orthodox and Catholic. I’ve never run across any in my research, but they are obviously out there, based on your question and the abbreviation reference in the Familienbuch Bogarosch. Here is a link that might explain this better than I can. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_and_uniting_churches <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_and_uniting_churches> Best to you in your research. Dan > On Mar 28, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Linda Sohl <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks for that information, Dan. It does lead me to an obvious follow-up question, though - which churches (then, or now) would be considered "Greek, not united" that are neither Greek-Catholic (one of the 23 churches in communion with Rome, listed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_particular_churches_and_liturgical_rites#Particular_churches_sui_iuris ), nor Greek Orthodox? > > -Linda > > > On Mar 28, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Daniel Sedley <[email protected]> wrote: > >> In the Abkürzungen (abbreviations) section of the Familienbuch Bogarosch, under Konfessionen (Religious Denominations), grnu is Griechisch nicht uniert (Greek not united), differentiated from go (Griechisch-orthodox) and grka (Griechisch-katholisch). >> >> Dan >> >> >> >>> On Mar 27, 2018, at 11:44 PM, Roy Engel <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I have never seen that abbreviation before. I am assuming that it is German and I can't think what the GR would stand for, but the NU might stand for "Namen Unbekannt" (Name Unknown). This is just a guess. >>> Roy >>> >>> On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 10:54 PM, Linda Sohl <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> In the new Gross Betschkerek familienbuch, does anyone know what the abbreviation “GRNU” means? It’s not listed up front with other abbreviations (or else I’ve overlooked it). I see it following some people’s names, where there might otherwise be a note about a person’s occupation or marital status. >>> >>> -Linda >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >

Thanks for that information, Dan. It does lead me to an obvious follow-up question, though - which churches (then, or now) would be considered "Greek, not united" that are neither Greek-Catholic (one of the 23 churches in communion with Rome, listed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_particular_churches_and_liturgical_rites#Particular_churches_sui_iuris ), nor Greek Orthodox? -Linda On Mar 28, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Daniel Sedley <[email protected]> wrote: > In the Abkürzungen (abbreviations) section of the Familienbuch Bogarosch, under Konfessionen (Religious Denominations), grnu is Griechisch nicht uniert (Greek not united), differentiated from go (Griechisch-orthodox) and grka (Griechisch-katholisch). > > Dan > > > >> On Mar 27, 2018, at 11:44 PM, Roy Engel <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I have never seen that abbreviation before. I am assuming that it is German and I can't think what the GR would stand for, but the NU might stand for "Namen Unbekannt" (Name Unknown). This is just a guess. >> Roy >> >> On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 10:54 PM, Linda Sohl <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> In the new Gross Betschkerek familienbuch, does anyone know what the abbreviation “GRNU” means? It’s not listed up front with other abbreviations (or else I’ve overlooked it). I see it following some people’s names, where there might otherwise be a note about a person’s occupation or marital status. >> >> -Linda >> >> >> >> >

> From: Daniel Sedley <[email protected]> > Subject: [DVHH] Re: GRNU abbreviation? > Date: March 28, 2018 at 1:28:08 PM EDT > To: Roy Engel <[email protected]>, Linda Sohl <[email protected]> > Cc: DVHH Mail List <[email protected]> > > In the Abkürzungen (abbreviations) section of the Familienbuch Bogarosch, under Konfessionen (Religious Denominations), grnu is Griechisch nicht uniert (Greek not united), differentiated from go (Griechisch-orthodox) and grka (Griechisch-katholisch). > > Dan > > > >> On Mar 27, 2018, at 11:44 PM, Roy Engel <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I have never seen that abbreviation before. I am assuming that it is German and I can't think what the GR would stand for, but the NU might stand for "Namen Unbekannt" (Name Unknown). This is just a guess. >> Roy >> >> On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 10:54 PM, Linda Sohl <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> In the new Gross Betschkerek familienbuch, does anyone know what the abbreviation “GRNU” means? It’s not listed up front with other abbreviations (or else I’ve overlooked it). I see it following some people’s names, where there might otherwise be a note about a person’s occupation or marital status. >> >> -Linda >> >> >> >> >

In the Abkürzungen (abbreviations) section of the Familienbuch Bogarosch, under Konfessionen (Religious Denominations), grnu is Griechisch nicht uniert (Greek not united), differentiated from go (Griechisch-orthodox) and grka (Griechisch-katholisch). Dan > On Mar 27, 2018, at 11:44 PM, Roy Engel <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have never seen that abbreviation before. I am assuming that it is German and I can't think what the GR would stand for, but the NU might stand for "Namen Unbekannt" (Name Unknown). This is just a guess. > Roy > > On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 10:54 PM, Linda Sohl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > In the new Gross Betschkerek familienbuch, does anyone know what the abbreviation “GRNU” means? It’s not listed up front with other abbreviations (or else I’ve overlooked it). I see it following some people’s names, where there might otherwise be a note about a person’s occupation or marital status. > > -Linda > > > >

I have never seen that abbreviation before.  I am assuming that it is German and I can't think what the GR would stand for, but the NU might stand for "Namen Unbekannt" (Name Unknown).  This is just a guess. Roy On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 10:54 PM, Linda Sohl <[email protected]> wrote: In the new Gross Betschkerek familienbuch, does anyone know what the abbreviation “GRNU” means? It’s not listed up front with other abbreviations (or else I’ve overlooked it). I see it following some people’s names, where there might otherwise be a note about a person’s occupation or marital status.  -Linda

In the new Gross Betschkerek familienbuch, does anyone know what the abbreviation “GRNU” means? It’s not listed up front with other abbreviations (or else I’ve overlooked it). I see it following some people’s names, where there might otherwise be a note about a person’s occupation or marital status. -Linda

I live in town :) Lori Straus Freelance writer, editor, German-to-English translator Sent from my tablet > On Mar 25, 2018, at 9:28 PM, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote: > > Eve > > I am replying to your message that I just found to-day. Just came back from Florida and had lots of problems with my computer and I might add, car. > > I think that I replied to Anne Dreer that I will be coming and Judy Ottinger as well and I think Aileen Wilson and Tony Fieder. Check with Anne. Looking forward to it. However, I did not see the posting from Lori Strauss. > > -----Original Message----- From: Eve > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 3:43 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DVHH] Landestreffen - Kitchener 2018 > > Hello everyone, > > A couple of us have booked some rooms at the Radisson in Kitchener. It > would be great to know where others are staying and who all plans to be > making the trip or those that are coming that live in the area. > > Can we discuss here as a thread? Or, if this a problem with causing undo > mail issues for those not interested please write me personally. > > So far all I know of for sure are Jean Hagen, Darlene Dimitrie and myself. > It seems that Lori Strauss wrote also that she plans to attend. > > Would love to hear from you! > > Eve > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

Hi Helga, Are you talking about the Treffen at the Kitchener Schwaben club Labor Day weekend or the one in June in Guelph? I am coming end of Aug and staying at the Radisson with Jean Hagen and Darlene, but I've noticed a few people are getting the 2 events mixed up. Eve On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:28 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Eve > > I am replying to your message that I just found to-day. Just came back > from Florida and had lots of problems with my computer and I might add, > car. > > I think that I replied to Anne Dreer that I will be coming and Judy > Ottinger as well and I think Aileen Wilson and Tony Fieder. Check with > Anne. Looking forward to it. However, I did not see the posting from Lori > Strauss. > > -----Original Message----- From: Eve > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 3:43 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DVHH] Landestreffen - Kitchener 2018 > > Hello everyone, > > A couple of us have booked some rooms at the Radisson in Kitchener. It > would be great to know where others are staying and who all plans to be > making the trip or those that are coming that live in the area. > > Can we discuss here as a thread? Or, if this a problem with causing undo > mail issues for those not interested please write me personally. > > So far all I know of for sure are Jean Hagen, Darlene Dimitrie and myself. > It seems that Lori Strauss wrote also that she plans to attend. > > Would love to hear from you! > > Eve > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

Eve I am replying to your message that I just found to-day. Just came back from Florida and had lots of problems with my computer and I might add, car. I think that I replied to Anne Dreer that I will be coming and Judy Ottinger as well and I think Aileen Wilson and Tony Fieder. Check with Anne. Looking forward to it. However, I did not see the posting from Lori Strauss. -----Original Message----- From: Eve Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 3:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DVHH] Landestreffen - Kitchener 2018 Hello everyone, A couple of us have booked some rooms at the Radisson in Kitchener. It would be great to know where others are staying and who all plans to be making the trip or those that are coming that live in the area. Can we discuss here as a thread? Or, if this a problem with causing undo mail issues for those not interested please write me personally. So far all I know of for sure are Jean Hagen, Darlene Dimitrie and myself. It seems that Lori Strauss wrote also that she plans to attend. Would love to hear from you! Eve -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

Hello, I am looking from information on the following from Lovrin: Franz Lukas (1821-1908) – Son of Franz Emmerich Lukas and Magdalena Karl Maria Eva Weiss (1797-1850) – Daughter of Franz Xaver Weiss and Margaretha Kugler Valentin Kipper (1794-1825) – Son of Peter Adam Kipper (1772- )and Johanna Theilinger I want to thank you in advance for any information you are able to provide. Ken

Hi again, everyone, Tony Fieder was kind enough to point out a tiny mistake: I'd accessed the website from inside my account, so the link is bunk. Sorry! This should be the right link for the public: https://uwaterloo.ca/library/special-collections-archives/collections/henry-fischer-schwaben-heimatbuch-collection @Tony: Thanks for letting me know! Regards, Regards, Lori Straus Author of Postcards in a Closet: A Creative Non-Fiction Memoir, about a Wolf ancestor from Semlak Gara: Heffner, Wagner Ridjica/Stanisitsch: Wagner, Zimmermann, Fleckstein Semlak: Wolf, Bartolf Schöndorf: Bortscher, Klein www.loristraus.com <http://www.loristraus.com> Speak fluent German On 03-24-18, 3:21 PM, "Lori Straus" <[email protected]> wrote: Hey everyone, You may or may not know this, but active DVHH member Henry Fischer donated his DS history books to the University of Waterloo, and they reside in the Porter Library’s special collections. This part of the library is only open Monday-Friday, but if you’re coming to Kitchener for the Landestreffen in September, you may want to consider a research stop on the Friday. Full details of the collection, including the books in it, are here: https://uwaterloo-ca.proxy.lib.uwaterloo.ca/library/special-collections-archives/collections/henry-fischer-schwaben-heimatbuch-collection Look into if you need to make an appointment: I don’t know those details. But in the upper righthand corner of the webpage, under the title, it says “We’re lonely! Come visit us.” So, I think you’re fine to take them up on it :) Regards, Lori Straus Author of Postcards in a Closet: A Creative Non-Fiction Memoir, about a Wolf ancestor from Semlak Gara: Heffner, Wagner Ridjica/Stanisitsch: Wagner, Zimmermann, Fleckstein Semlak: Wolf, Bartolf Schöndorf: Bortscher, Klein www.loristraus.com Speak fluent German

Hey everyone, You may or may not know this, but active DVHH member Henry Fischer donated his DS history books to the University of Waterloo, and they reside in the Porter Library’s special collections. This part of the library is only open Monday-Friday, but if you’re coming to Kitchener for the Landestreffen in September, you may want to consider a research stop on the Friday. Full details of the collection, including the books in it, are here: https://uwaterloo-ca.proxy.lib.uwaterloo.ca/library/special-collections-archives/collections/henry-fischer-schwaben-heimatbuch-collection Look into if you need to make an appointment: I don’t know those details. But in the upper righthand corner of the webpage, under the title, it says “We’re lonely! Come visit us.” So, I think you’re fine to take them up on it :) Regards, Lori Straus Author of Postcards in a Closet: A Creative Non-Fiction Memoir, about a Wolf ancestor from Semlak Gara: Heffner, Wagner Ridjica/Stanisitsch: Wagner, Zimmermann, Fleckstein Semlak: Wolf, Bartolf Schöndorf: Bortscher, Klein www.loristraus.com Speak fluent German

Thank you, Susan! I’ll try looking for an index or two! Rose Mary From: Susan Sander <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 9:35 AM To: Rose Mary Keller Hughes <[email protected]>; 'Rhonda Staudt' <[email protected]>; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [DVHH] Re: Familysearch.org and church records online Rose Mary ... here is a suggestion that might or might not work. When you find the village and call up the pages of course you will see hundreds of them. Scan through them ... the closed pages .... sometimes you can see an indication that there are lists of names ... indexes ... within the film. Worth a try .... I have found indexes that way. Or try looking at the end ... if you find one index it might mean there are more within the film. When I first read Glogowatz records ... well after the fact ... I did find indexes which would have saved a tremendous amount of hours of squinting and looking. Good luck ... I agree ... it is a genealogical blessing. Susan Sander _____ From: Rose Mary Keller Hughes <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 10:59 PM To: 'Susan Sander'; 'Rhonda Staudt'; [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ; [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: [DVHH] Re: Familysearch.org and church records online It takes some time, but I am saving the church records page by page, 25 at a time (that's if I quickly look at the page and see a family surname). They may not always be accurate but church register pages are probably the closest to accuracy. I've been lucky to find two villages so far. I consider this a real genealogical blessing! Rose Mary -----Original Message----- From: Susan Sander <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 8:15 PM To: Rhonda Staudt <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >; [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ; [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [DVHH] Re: Familysearch.org and church records online Keep in mind if you are searching on familysearch.org the old Hungarian records are online but not necessarily indexed. This means you have to locate the village name going to Search and then to Catalog .... then click through until you find the village. Then the fun begins ... you need to go page by page. Rhonda is correct. If you are looking through the old records you will find the woman listed under her maiden name .... As I mentioned for the most part the old records ... prior to 1830 or 1850 depending on the village is not indexed ... which means if you find the film you must read through .....you can try guessing date-wise but that is it. In some instances you might find an index in the microfilm records .... try going to the last few pages to see if an index exists. Unfortunately, it is hunt and peck system but at least the records are available. Susan ________________________________ From: Rhonda Staudt <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 10:01 AM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ; [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ; [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Re: Familysearch.org and church records online No put her given and maiden surname. After you search her as single you can add spouse's, parent's names, residence, etc. Rhonda Staudt [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> -----Original Message----- From: Renate Thomas <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > To: Susan Sander <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >; donauschwaben-villages <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2018 6:32 pm Subject: [DVHH] Re: Familysearch.org and church records online I am confused on how to enter the women's names. Should I put the maiden name under the first name and married name under last name? -----Original Message----- From: Susan Sander Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 9:36 PM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [DVHH] Re: Familysearch.org and church records online Kind of by accident I learned that the Mormons have been putting church records online ... they are the early records for the most part. So far I have found records for Glogowatz, Mercydorf, Schondorf, Gutterbrunn, Neudorf, Sanktmarton. This is how to find the records. Go to: www.familysearch.org <http://www.familysearch.org%3chttp:/www.familysearch.org%3chttp:/www.family search.org> <http://www.familysearch.org<http://www.familysearch.org <http://www.familysearch.org>> Then go to the heading Search; scroll down to Catalog; then type in the name of the village you are searching for. Once you find there are records, keep clicking through till you see the film description and film number. If there is a tiny camera on the right side of the screen it means they will be online. One thing though, sometimes you need to go to a Mormon Reading Room to see the records. But the films mentioned above can be viewed online. Glogowatz records 1770-1835; Neupanat/Ujpanat 1787-1852 Gutterbrunn 1729-1852. Since these films have not been indexed you will not find information by doing a simple Search. You need to go to Catalog and then find the actual film as described above. Good luck ... hoping this helps a few researchers. Susan Sander Williams Village Coordinator for Glogowatz Free Family History and Genealogy Records — FamilySearch.org<http://www.familysearch.org/> www.familysearch.org <http://www.familysearch.org%3chttp:/www.familysearch.org> <http://www.familysearch.org> Discover your family history. Explore the world’s largest collection of free family trees, genealogy records and resources. ________________________________ From: Anna Berkes via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 4:55 PM To: Darlene Dimitrie; [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>; FREY Tamas Subject: [DVHH] Re: Hungarian research sites with genealogical info While we're on the subject, I've always wondered: is there a good reference giving origins/meanings of Hungarian surnames? I've looked online and haven't found anything very informative, and ditto for WorldCat. Thanks for any suggestions!Anna On Monday, March 19, 2018, 9:13:18 AM EDT, FREY Tamas <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I also recommend www.oskereso.hu <http://www.oskereso.hu%3chttp:/www.oskereso.hu%3chttp:/www.oskereso.hu%3cht tp:/www.osk> <http://www.oskereso.hu<http://www.oskereso.hu<http://www.osk ereso.hu>> - digital copies of all Lutheran church registers from Hungary. It is a paying service: you need to transfer a small sum to the Hungarian Lutheran Church. Btw, if anybody needs assistance with Hungarian, I'm happy to help (I'm a native Hungarian speaker and I actually work as a translator). Tamás Frey -----Original Message----- From: Darlene Dimitrie <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: jeudi 15 mars 2018 01:25 To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]%3cmailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [DVHH] Hungarian research sites with genealogical info https://hungaricana.hu/en/ http://thehungaryexchange.blogspot.ca/ https://www.hungaryexchange.com/ While on the hunt for an article on Barcs, Somogy County, I came across these sites. I browsed quickly through some of the Hungary Exchange. There is an amazing amount of digitized material on these sites. They seem well organized and easy to search. If I could read Hungarian fluently, I'd be in genealogy-heaven, but, there are a lot of hand-written records, which I do have a fair shot of reading and understanding. -- Darlene http://www.dvhh.org/membership/associates.htm#D --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Rose Mary ... here is a suggestion that might or might not work. When you find the village and call up the pages of course you will see hundreds of them. Scan through them ... the closed pages .... sometimes you can see an indication that there are lists of names ... indexes ... within the film. Worth a try .... I have found indexes that way. Or try looking at the end ... if you find one index it might mean there are more within the film. When I first read Glogowatz records ... well after the fact ... I did find indexes which would have saved a tremendous amount of hours of squinting and looking. Good luck ... I agree ... it is a genealogical blessing. Susan Sander ________________________________ From: Rose Mary Keller Hughes <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 10:59 PM To: 'Susan Sander'; 'Rhonda Staudt'; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: RE: [DVHH] Re: Familysearch.org and church records online It takes some time, but I am saving the church records page by page, 25 at a time (that's if I quickly look at the page and see a family surname). They may not always be accurate but church register pages are probably the closest to accuracy. I've been lucky to find two villages so far. I consider this a real genealogical blessing! Rose Mary -----Original Message----- From: Susan Sander <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 8:15 PM To: Rhonda Staudt <[email protected]>; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [DVHH] Re: Familysearch.org and church records online Keep in mind if you are searching on familysearch.org the old Hungarian records are online but not necessarily indexed. This means you have to locate the village name going to Search and then to Catalog .... then click through until you find the village. Then the fun begins ... you need to go page by page. Rhonda is correct. If you are looking through the old records you will find the woman listed under her maiden name .... As I mentioned for the most part the old records ... prior to 1830 or 1850 depending on the village is not indexed ... which means if you find the film you must read through .....you can try guessing date-wise but that is it. In some instances you might find an index in the microfilm records .... try going to the last few pages to see if an index exists. Unfortunately, it is hunt and peck system but at least the records are available. Susan ________________________________ From: Rhonda Staudt <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 10:01 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [DVHH] Re: Familysearch.org and church records online No put her given and maiden surname. After you search her as single you can add spouse's, parent's names, residence, etc. Rhonda Staudt [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Renate Thomas <[email protected]> To: Susan Sander <[email protected]>; donauschwaben-villages <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2018 6:32 pm Subject: [DVHH] Re: Familysearch.org and church records online I am confused on how to enter the women's names. Should I put the maiden name under the first name and married name under last name? -----Original Message----- From: Susan Sander Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 9:36 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [DVHH] Re: Familysearch.org and church records online Kind of by accident I learned that the Mormons have been putting church records online ... they are the early records for the most part. So far I have found records for Glogowatz, Mercydorf, Schondorf, Gutterbrunn, Neudorf, Sanktmarton. This is how to find the records. Go to: www.familysearch.org<http://www.familysearch.org<http://www.familysearch.org<http://www.familysearch.org<http://www.familysearch.org<http://www.familysearch.org> <http://www.familysearch.org>> Then go to the heading Search; scroll down to Catalog; then type in the name of the village you are searching for. Once you find there are records, keep clicking through till you see the film description and film number. If there is a tiny camera on the right side of the screen it means they will be online. One thing though, sometimes you need to go to a Mormon Reading Room to see the records. But the films mentioned above can be viewed online. Glogowatz records 1770-1835; Neupanat/Ujpanat 1787-1852 Gutterbrunn 1729-1852. Since these films have not been indexed you will not find information by doing a simple Search. You need to go to Catalog and then find the actual film as described above. Good luck ... hoping this helps a few researchers. Susan Sander Williams Village Coordinator for Glogowatz Free Family History and Genealogy Records — FamilySearch.org<http://www.familysearch.org/> www.familysearch.org<http://www.familysearch.org<http://www.familysearch.org<http://www.familysearch.org>> Discover your family history. Explore the world’s largest collection of free family trees, genealogy records and resources. ________________________________ From: Anna Berkes via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 4:55 PM To: Darlene Dimitrie; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; FREY Tamas Subject: [DVHH] Re: Hungarian research sites with genealogical info While we're on the subject, I've always wondered: is there a good reference giving origins/meanings of Hungarian surnames? I've looked online and haven't found anything very informative, and ditto for WorldCat. Thanks for any suggestions!Anna On Monday, March 19, 2018, 9:13:18 AM EDT, FREY Tamas <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I also recommend www.oskereso.hu<http://www.oskereso.hu<http://www.oskereso.hu<http://www.osk ereso.hu>> - digital copies of all Lutheran church registers from Hungary. It is a paying service: you need to transfer a small sum to the Hungarian Lutheran Church. Btw, if anybody needs assistance with Hungarian, I'm happy to help (I'm a native Hungarian speaker and I actually work as a translator). Tamás Frey -----Original Message----- From: Darlene Dimitrie <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: jeudi 15 mars 2018 01:25 To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [DVHH] Hungarian research sites with genealogical info https://hungaricana.hu/en/ http://thehungaryexchange.blogspot.ca/ https://www.hungaryexchange.com/ While on the hunt for an article on Barcs, Somogy County, I came across these sites. I browsed quickly through some of the Hungary Exchange. There is an amazing amount of digitized material on these sites. They seem well organized and easy to search. If I could read Hungarian fluently, I'd be in genealogy-heaven, but, there are a lot of hand-written records, which I do have a fair shot of reading and understanding. -- Darlene http://www.dvhh.org/membership/associates.htm#D --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

It takes some time, but I am saving the church records page by page, 25 at a time (that's if I quickly look at the page and see a family surname). They may not always be accurate but church register pages are probably the closest to accuracy. I've been lucky to find two villages so far. I consider this a real genealogical blessing! Rose Mary -----Original Message----- From: Susan Sander <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 8:15 PM To: Rhonda Staudt <[email protected]>; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [DVHH] Re: Familysearch.org and church records online Keep in mind if you are searching on familysearch.org the old Hungarian records are online but not necessarily indexed. This means you have to locate the village name going to Search and then to Catalog .... then click through until you find the village. Then the fun begins ... you need to go page by page. Rhonda is correct. If you are looking through the old records you will find the woman listed under her maiden name .... As I mentioned for the most part the old records ... prior to 1830 or 1850 depending on the village is not indexed ... which means if you find the film you must read through .....you can try guessing date-wise but that is it. In some instances you might find an index in the microfilm records .... try going to the last few pages to see if an index exists. Unfortunately, it is hunt and peck system but at least the records are available. Susan ________________________________ From: Rhonda Staudt <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 10:01 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [DVHH] Re: Familysearch.org and church records online No put her given and maiden surname. After you search her as single you can add spouse's, parent's names, residence, etc. Rhonda Staudt [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Renate Thomas <[email protected]> To: Susan Sander <[email protected]>; donauschwaben-villages <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2018 6:32 pm Subject: [DVHH] Re: Familysearch.org and church records online I am confused on how to enter the women's names. Should I put the maiden name under the first name and married name under last name? -----Original Message----- From: Susan Sander Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 9:36 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [DVHH] Re: Familysearch.org and church records online Kind of by accident I learned that the Mormons have been putting church records online ... they are the early records for the most part. So far I have found records for Glogowatz, Mercydorf, Schondorf, Gutterbrunn, Neudorf, Sanktmarton. This is how to find the records. Go to: www.familysearch.org<http://www.familysearch.org<http://www.familysearch.org <http://www.familysearch.org>> Then go to the heading Search; scroll down to Catalog; then type in the name of the village you are searching for. Once you find there are records, keep clicking through till you see the film description and film number. If there is a tiny camera on the right side of the screen it means they will be online. One thing though, sometimes you need to go to a Mormon Reading Room to see the records. But the films mentioned above can be viewed online. Glogowatz records 1770-1835; Neupanat/Ujpanat 1787-1852 Gutterbrunn 1729-1852. Since these films have not been indexed you will not find information by doing a simple Search. You need to go to Catalog and then find the actual film as described above. Good luck ... hoping this helps a few researchers. Susan Sander Williams Village Coordinator for Glogowatz Free Family History and Genealogy Records — FamilySearch.org<http://www.familysearch.org/> www.familysearch.org<http://www.familysearch.org> Discover your family history. Explore the world’s largest collection of free family trees, genealogy records and resources. ________________________________ From: Anna Berkes via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 4:55 PM To: Darlene Dimitrie; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; FREY Tamas Subject: [DVHH] Re: Hungarian research sites with genealogical info While we're on the subject, I've always wondered: is there a good reference giving origins/meanings of Hungarian surnames? I've looked online and haven't found anything very informative, and ditto for WorldCat. Thanks for any suggestions!Anna On Monday, March 19, 2018, 9:13:18 AM EDT, FREY Tamas <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I also recommend www.oskereso.hu<http://www.oskereso.hu<http://www.oskereso.hu<http://www.osk ereso.hu>> - digital copies of all Lutheran church registers from Hungary. It is a paying service: you need to transfer a small sum to the Hungarian Lutheran Church. Btw, if anybody needs assistance with Hungarian, I'm happy to help (I'm a native Hungarian speaker and I actually work as a translator). Tamás Frey -----Original Message----- From: Darlene Dimitrie <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: jeudi 15 mars 2018 01:25 To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [DVHH] Hungarian research sites with genealogical info https://hungaricana.hu/en/ http://thehungaryexchange.blogspot.ca/ https://www.hungaryexchange.com/ While on the hunt for an article on Barcs, Somogy County, I came across these sites. I browsed quickly through some of the Hungary Exchange. There is an amazing amount of digitized material on these sites. They seem well organized and easy to search. If I could read Hungarian fluently, I'd be in genealogy-heaven, but, there are a lot of hand-written records, which I do have a fair shot of reading and understanding. -- Darlene http://www.dvhh.org/membership/associates.htm#D --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Keep in mind if you are searching on familysearch.org the old Hungarian records are online but not necessarily indexed. This means you have to locate the village name going to Search and then to Catalog .... then click through until you find the village. Then the fun begins ... you need to go page by page. Rhonda is correct. If you are looking through the old records you will find the woman listed under her maiden name .... As I mentioned for the most part the old records ... prior to 1830 or 1850 depending on the village is not indexed ... which means if you find the film you must read through .....you can try guessing date-wise but that is it. In some instances you might find an index in the microfilm records .... try going to the last few pages to see if an index exists. Unfortunately, it is hunt and peck system but at least the records are available. Susan ________________________________ From: Rhonda Staudt <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 10:01 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [DVHH] Re: Familysearch.org and church records online No put her given and maiden surname. After you search her as single you can add spouse's, parent's names, residence, etc. Rhonda Staudt [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Renate Thomas <[email protected]> To: Susan Sander <[email protected]>; donauschwaben-villages <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2018 6:32 pm Subject: [DVHH] Re: Familysearch.org and church records online I am confused on how to enter the women's names. Should I put the maiden name under the first name and married name under last name? -----Original Message----- From: Susan Sander Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 9:36 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [DVHH] Re: Familysearch.org and church records online Kind of by accident I learned that the Mormons have been putting church records online ... they are the early records for the most part. So far I have found records for Glogowatz, Mercydorf, Schondorf, Gutterbrunn, Neudorf, Sanktmarton. This is how to find the records. Go to: www.familysearch.org<http://www.familysearch.org<http://www.familysearch.org<http://www.familysearch.org>> Then go to the heading Search; scroll down to Catalog; then type in the name of the village you are searching for. Once you find there are records, keep clicking through till you see the film description and film number. If there is a tiny camera on the right side of the screen it means they will be online. One thing though, sometimes you need to go to a Mormon Reading Room to see the records. But the films mentioned above can be viewed online. Glogowatz records 1770-1835; Neupanat/Ujpanat 1787-1852 Gutterbrunn 1729-1852. Since these films have not been indexed you will not find information by doing a simple Search. You need to go to Catalog and then find the actual film as described above. Good luck ... hoping this helps a few researchers. Susan Sander Williams Village Coordinator for Glogowatz Free Family History and Genealogy Records — FamilySearch.org<http://www.familysearch.org/> www.familysearch.org<http://www.familysearch.org> Discover your family history. Explore the world’s largest collection of free family trees, genealogy records and resources. ________________________________ From: Anna Berkes via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 4:55 PM To: Darlene Dimitrie; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; FREY Tamas Subject: [DVHH] Re: Hungarian research sites with genealogical info While we're on the subject, I've always wondered: is there a good reference giving origins/meanings of Hungarian surnames? I've looked online and haven't found anything very informative, and ditto for WorldCat. Thanks for any suggestions!Anna On Monday, March 19, 2018, 9:13:18 AM EDT, FREY Tamas <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I also recommend www.oskereso.hu<http://www.oskereso.hu<http://www.oskereso.hu<http://www.oskereso.hu>> - digital copies of all Lutheran church registers from Hungary. It is a paying service: you need to transfer a small sum to the Hungarian Lutheran Church. Btw, if anybody needs assistance with Hungarian, I'm happy to help (I'm a native Hungarian speaker and I actually work as a translator). Tamás Frey -----Original Message----- From: Darlene Dimitrie <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: jeudi 15 mars 2018 01:25 To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [DVHH] Hungarian research sites with genealogical info https://hungaricana.hu/en/ http://thehungaryexchange.blogspot.ca/ https://www.hungaryexchange.com/ While on the hunt for an article on Barcs, Somogy County, I came across these sites. I browsed quickly through some of the Hungary Exchange. There is an amazing amount of digitized material on these sites. They seem well organized and easy to search. If I could read Hungarian fluently, I'd be in genealogy-heaven, but, there are a lot of hand-written records, which I do have a fair shot of reading and understanding. -- Darlene http://www.dvhh.org/membership/associates.htm#D

Does anyone know if the Budapest archives are online? From: DVHH Feedback [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 2:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Burger Name The following feedback was sent by Dale Leslie ([email protected]) via the www.dvhh.org Contact page: Dear Beth, Hope you remember me, you sent me information on the Burger family in Apatin about a year or so ago. I am really trying to find Karl Burger\'s parents. He is my grandfather. You had told me that I would have to go to Budapest archives. Do you know if that is possible online? Thanks so much. Dale Leslie DVHH-L Subscriber: N IP Address: 189.208.163.76

The newspaper Banater Post of March 15, 2018 announces a new, up-to-date family book for the Banat village of Bakowa/Bacova/Bakovár. The full description is as follows: Familienbuch der katholischen Pfarrgemeinde Bakowa im Banat 1786-2017 (ohne Filialen) mit Querverbindungen zu den deutschen Gemeinden der näheren Umgebung, zu anderen Ortschaften im Banat, in den anderen Ländern Europas und in den Vereinigten Staaten von Amerika, Bd. I (A-L) , Bd. II (M-Z). In translation: Family book of the Catholic parish Bakowa in the Banat 1786-2017 (without branches) with links to the German communities in the surrounding area, to other villages in the Banat, in the other countries of Europe and in the United States of America, vol. I (A-L), Vol. II (M-Z). Individuals and families are covered in alphabetical order, godparents and witnesses to marriages, for many also the house number, profession and causes of death... The entries in the church records contain a wealth of variant names - aliases, nicknames and substitute names - that have been collected by the author. Ordering information is as follows (no price is given): Reinhold Lovasz, e-mail: [email protected], tel.0049 6202 92477000; or Banat-Verlag Erding, e-mail: [email protected]; tel. 0049 8122 2293422 I have provided this information for the benefit of those who may be interested; I have no other information or personal involvement. Nick Tullius