Hello Katherine! As I have also ancestors from Bacs, the E-Archive of Kalocsa holds the records: https://archivum.asztrik.hu/?q=de For a small fee you can browse the records from home for some time. You may find more places there, that you may also need. I did this E-research twice and it worked well, is a fair price and was extremely helpful. Liebe Grüße, Daniela Am 22.01.19, 09:00 schrieb "Katharine Samuelson" unter <samuelson@telus.net>: >Looking for any & all POSPISCHIL entries in the Batschka. >I have gone back as far as 1836 Ujfutak with my 4th great grandfather >Franciscus Pospischil *1836. >Stasa had indicated the family may have come from Bacs, Bacs-Bodrog. >Unfortunately the FB starts in 1830. >Any information and/or suggestions will be appreciated. >Thank you in advance, >Katharine >from sunny Delta > >_______________________________________________ >Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >Unsubscribe >https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb >.com >Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >community
Looking for any & all POSPISCHIL entries in the Batschka. I have gone back as far as 1836 Ujfutak with my 4th great grandfather Franciscus Pospischil *1836. Stasa had indicated the family may have come from Bacs, Bacs-Bodrog. Unfortunately the FB starts in 1830. Any information and/or suggestions will be appreciated. Thank you in advance, Katharine from sunny Delta
Wow! Thank you so much Melissa. I’ll follow up on these leads. It turns out that Adam and his family were quite a group of characters back in the Village and the Historical Society has some records that indicate why he moved to the Banat. I’ve been unsuccessful trying to find his family’s travels from Hasborn-Dautweiler to Perjamosh through records so far. I’ve used the Family History Library to find research and had a copy of the FB Perjamosh temporarily loaned to out local college here. Slow progress, but I’m wanting to see what happened to our family in the Banat through the years. My part of the Beschs stayed in the Village until 1853 and then my 2nd Great Grandparents came to America. We have a nice relationship with our cousins in Hasborn-Dautweiler and will be going back again soon. Viele Grüße aus Kalifornien Ray Gesendet mit mein iPhone > On Jan 21, 2019, at 15:16, Melissa Brooks <mrp_brooks@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Ray, > > I'd try looking in Sackelhausen and maybe even Jahrmarkt. > > If I'm reading the Perjamosch FB correctly, Adam and Anna Besch had two children who married spouses from Jahrmarkt: Anna married a man from Jahrmarkt in 1755, and Peter married a woman from Jahrmarkt in 1759. So it's possible with some family connections there, some of the Beschs may have ended up in Jarhmarkt. However for Peter, I would look first at Sackelhausen. Although he has no separate entry for himself, he is listed as the son of Adam and Anna (B320.4), and also listed as the father of Peter Besch in entry B325. At entry B325 we see that Peter's son, Peter, is listed as having been born in Perjamosch in 1766 and died in Sackelhausen in 1770. > > For Mathias, it seems simple. Mathias Besch died at age 45, having had two daughters by his second wife (first daughter died in infancy, second married and had 10 kids). So the name does not carry on from Mathias as there were no sons. > > For Johann, his entry as Adam and Anna's son (entry B320.2) indicates that Johann's own entry is at B323. But the Johann at B323 is the son of Johann Besch and Elisabeth (last name unknown), not the son of Adam and Anna. So that could be an error. Instead, it seems Johann's entry is at B321 (and this is cross referenced to B320.2), and the information there also points to Sackelhausen as a possible place to search, since his sixth child was married in Sackelhausen and his second wife has information from the Sackelhausen FB. > > Good luck! Genealogy is one of the only hobbies that gets harder the more you do it. > > Melissa > > ________________________________ > From: Ray & Vicky Basch <vbasch@sonic.net> > Sent: January 21, 2019 11:34 AM > To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) > Subject: [DVHH] Re: ROLL CALL - BESCH IN PERJAMOSCH, GROSS ST. PETER > > I am researching my ancestors Adam Besch and his wife Anna Lauck and their children that left our ancestral village of Hasborn-Dautweiler in the Saarland about 1754 and settled in Perjamosh, Banat. From the Perjamosh FB the parents died in 1755 and the children married. > > I’ve been unable to find the Besch name for the male children (Johann, Peter and Mathias) beyond about 1760. They may have moved, but I can’t find where. If anyone has come across this surname in the region, please contact me. Thanks. > > Greetings > Raymond Basch > > Gesendet mit mein iPhone > >> On Jan 20, 2019, at 13:31, Melissa Brooks <mrp_brooks@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Thanks Karen, but unfortunately the Poths in my tree moved from Perjamosch at some point to Gross St-Peter, and the records are different. The only FB for Gross St-Peter ends in 1852, and my gr.grandfather Michael Poth was born in 1881. It's so frustrating because the villages are only 1km apart physically, but the parishes were separate and the Perjamosch FB only covers Haulik (which has now been swallowed up by Perjamosch). >> >> If you have a family tree on ancestry, it would be pretty cool to compare notes though! I'm sure we have branches in common. >> >> Are you in the US or Canada? My line of Poths came from Gross St-Peter to a small farming village in Saskatchewan, Canada in 1911. >> >> Cheers, >> Melissa >> >> ________________________________ >> From: karen mcbride <islandkaren@bellsouth.net> >> Sent: January 20, 2019 11:58 AM >> To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) >> Subject: [DVHH] Re: ROLL CALL - PERJAMOSCH, GROSS ST. PETER, LOVRIN, KLEINJETSCHA >> >> Hello Melissa!I have POTHS in my Family, as well as ENDRES, FRANK, RECTOVALD, BAUM/BOHM, and ZILLICH/GILLICH. You can find most all of them in the Perjamosch FB. I copied many of the pages before they took it off-line. I will look-up your JOHANN POTH and send you what I find.Best, Karen. >> On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 9:31:45 AM EST, Melissa Brooks <mrp_brooks@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> Brick walls: >> >> Gross St. Peter: POTH, Michael, b. 1881. The existing FB ends in 1852 so I can't connect him back further. Father's name was Johann POTH (b. abt 1847), mother was Anna KLEITSCH from Kleinjetscha born about 1850 (no record of her in the Kleinjetscha FB). Michael Poth might have had military service, but no idea how to research that. >> >> Also from Gross St. Peter: WIRS, Adam, b. abt 1861. Possibly lived in or died in Lovrin. >> >> Other surnames of interest in the Banat include: ENDRES, FRANK, RECTOVALD, REICH, KERSCH, SCHUCH, REMMEL, LEHR, WETZLER, MATHES, KREITER, ZILLICH, LUDWIG, KIEFER, BALTES, SEEBERGER, KELLER, BAUM, KLOECKNER, JUNGH >> >> Cheers, >> Melissa Brooks >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >> > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >
Thank you Rhonda for taking a look; I was not aware that a second volume had been produced. So if anyone out there has the later volume, would you please look this up for me? Karl ________________________________ From: Rhonda Staudt <ref58@verizon.net> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:22 AM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] Re: ROLL CALL: HUEBCHEN / HUBCHEN / HUBSCHEN in MERCYDORF or NOVI VRBAS Karl I have many HUBCHENs in my Mercydorf familienbuch vol. 1 , but it only goes up to 1843. If you can find someone with vol. 2, you might find the answers you are looking for. Rhonda Friedl Staudt -----Original Message----- From: karl huebchen <huebchen@hotmail.com> To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 21, 2019 12:11 pm Subject: [DVHH] Re: ROLL CALL: HUEBCHEN / HUBCHEN / HUBSCHEN in MERCYDORF or NOVI VRBAS Noelle; Thank you for the reply. I grew up Lutheran, and so I assume that is what my parents were prior to coming to the US; perhaps Daniel switched to Catholicism at some point. Or else I am just using the improper term for the head of the church. Karl ________________________________ From: Noelle Giesse <ngiesse@verizon.net> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 7:33 AM To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) Subject: [DVHH] Re: ROLL CALL: HUEBCHEN / HUBCHEN / HUBSCHEN in MERCYDORF or NOVI VRBAS I looked in the Neuwerbass books and did not find a match for the information you listed. You mentioned one of them becoming a priest. Can I assume the family was Catholic? I will look in the Kalocsa Archive records as well. Noelle Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 20, 2019, at 3:41 PM, karl huebchen <huebchen@hotmail.com> wrote: > > All; > > I am looking for the family of my father's (Raimund Huebchen(1929-1998)) father's (Karl Hubchen (1892-1966)) brother (Daniel Hubchen (1899-?)). The information I have suggests my father was born in Novi Vrbas, and his father may have been born in Mercydorf. I had heard somewhere that Daniel became a priest in a town to the west of either Mercydorf or Novi Vrbas, and that he had family there. Unfortunately that is all I have. 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Hi, everyone! My cousin has done some great work on our grandmother's side of the family - Loris. However, because my great grandfather, Johann Brill, was killed in an accident when my GF was a baby and his mother remarried, I've lost the thread on the Brill family. My GF came from Giarmata (or Jahrmarkt) near Timisoara, Romania and emigrated about 1920. Johann Brill: 1865 - 1892, Giarmata, Timis, Romania Peter Brill: b. 1891, Giarmata, Timis, Romania, d. 1975 Pittsburgh, PA. Thanks! - Ann Brill White
Hello Judy, The Klipfel/Knipf/Knipl surname also appears in Kolut which is in the Batschka. According to Jakob Schuy who produced the Kolut Family Book 1760-1825 this family originated in Affenthal. Spelling is close to Klippel/Knippel. Judy Ottinger On Monday, January 21, 2019, 12:07:07 PM EST, Jakob Götz <jakob.goetz@t-online.de> wrote: Hello Judy, In Tscherwenka we find both names KNIPPEL as well as KLIPPEL for one and the same person in the family. Angela Hefner knew, the family came from Torschau, so we have to wait for the results of the research there. Some more information are on the way to your private address. Jakob Götz -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Carl Offen via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES [mailto:donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com] Gesendet: Montag, 21. Januar 2019 02:10 An: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Cc: Carl Offen Betreff: [DVHH] ROLL CALL - TSCHERWENKA, Batschka (now Crvenka, Serbia) All the following families lived in Tscherwenka, Batschka: BECKER, KLIPPEL (or KNIPPEL), JUDT, WERTH, MUNTZ, KERN, DUNKEL, LITZENBERGER, SCHLARB, FRIEDMANN, PETER, SIMON, ESCHENAUER, BINGEL, SCHWARTZ and BRUCKNER. This information came from Angela Hefner's "Tscherwenka Familienbuch", except for the surname KNIPPEL which my father told me was his grandmother's maiden name. There is no Knippel in the familienbuch, only KLIPPEL so I am not certain which is correct. Tscherwenka (now Crvenka, Serbia) is near Kula. Judy OffenCaledonia, NY _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@root sweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- Diese E-Mail wurde von AVG auf Viren geprüft. http://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Unser Tscherwenka is available here https://austria-forum.org/web-books/en/unsertscherwenka00de1980iicm Noelle Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 21, 2019, at 7:22 PM, Bradley Schwebler via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Are you talking about Unser Tscherwenka? If it is online I would like to see it. - Brad > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 21, 2019, at 3:57 PM, Carl Offen via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Hello Jakob! >> Thank you very much for the information about the KNIPPEL family being from Torschau! I did not know this and look forward to learning more about this family and their history. >> Is Angela Hefner's book still online? >> >> Thank you again.Judy Offen >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Anne, Thank you for doing this, but I have the Bukin books and have gleaned all of the HAUS info I could verify. The same issue with the KUHN name. The Bukin book has the KUHN entries ranging from 1757 (marriage date) up to 1842 (marriage date). My KÜHNs start appearing with the birth of Maria Anna (1855-1919); my great grandmother. She was born, however, in Palanka. Her father was Andreas KÜHN and mother Barbara HENTZL, no dates for either. I have a suspicion that the KÜHN clan moved from Bukin to Palanka? But I have not been able to make a verifiable tie. Yet! Thanks again, Ralph Haus in sunny AND warm Texas (had to do that) On 1/20/2019 7:41 PM, Anne Dreer wrote: > This is a scan of the Kuhn family in Bukin. It does not say Kühn. They > are the only ones in the Bukin book. > I hope this helps. > Anne Dreer in freezing Ontario
Are you talking about Unser Tscherwenka? If it is online I would like to see it. - Brad Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 21, 2019, at 3:57 PM, Carl Offen via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hello Jakob! > Thank you very much for the information about the KNIPPEL family being from Torschau! I did not know this and look forward to learning more about this family and their history. > Is Angela Hefner's book still online? > > Thank you again.Judy Offen > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Does the 2013 Dolatz Family Book contain records for Rudna? If so, are there any details on the family of Nikolaus BRAUN (1860 Stefansfeld-1941 Tschakowa) and his wife, Anna TOMA (1865 Kathreinfeld-1937 Tschakowa)? They lived there from about 1892-94 to at least 1923 and a few of their children were born there. Many thanks!
Hi Ray, I'd try looking in Sackelhausen and maybe even Jahrmarkt. If I'm reading the Perjamosch FB correctly, Adam and Anna Besch had two children who married spouses from Jahrmarkt: Anna married a man from Jahrmarkt in 1755, and Peter married a woman from Jahrmarkt in 1759. So it's possible with some family connections there, some of the Beschs may have ended up in Jarhmarkt. However for Peter, I would look first at Sackelhausen. Although he has no separate entry for himself, he is listed as the son of Adam and Anna (B320.4), and also listed as the father of Peter Besch in entry B325. At entry B325 we see that Peter's son, Peter, is listed as having been born in Perjamosch in 1766 and died in Sackelhausen in 1770. For Mathias, it seems simple. Mathias Besch died at age 45, having had two daughters by his second wife (first daughter died in infancy, second married and had 10 kids). So the name does not carry on from Mathias as there were no sons. For Johann, his entry as Adam and Anna's son (entry B320.2) indicates that Johann's own entry is at B323. But the Johann at B323 is the son of Johann Besch and Elisabeth (last name unknown), not the son of Adam and Anna. So that could be an error. Instead, it seems Johann's entry is at B321 (and this is cross referenced to B320.2), and the information there also points to Sackelhausen as a possible place to search, since his sixth child was married in Sackelhausen and his second wife has information from the Sackelhausen FB. Good luck! Genealogy is one of the only hobbies that gets harder the more you do it. Melissa ________________________________ From: Ray & Vicky Basch <vbasch@sonic.net> Sent: January 21, 2019 11:34 AM To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) Subject: [DVHH] Re: ROLL CALL - BESCH IN PERJAMOSCH, GROSS ST. PETER I am researching my ancestors Adam Besch and his wife Anna Lauck and their children that left our ancestral village of Hasborn-Dautweiler in the Saarland about 1754 and settled in Perjamosh, Banat. From the Perjamosh FB the parents died in 1755 and the children married. I’ve been unable to find the Besch name for the male children (Johann, Peter and Mathias) beyond about 1760. They may have moved, but I can’t find where. If anyone has come across this surname in the region, please contact me. Thanks. Greetings Raymond Basch Gesendet mit mein iPhone > On Jan 20, 2019, at 13:31, Melissa Brooks <mrp_brooks@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks Karen, but unfortunately the Poths in my tree moved from Perjamosch at some point to Gross St-Peter, and the records are different. The only FB for Gross St-Peter ends in 1852, and my gr.grandfather Michael Poth was born in 1881. It's so frustrating because the villages are only 1km apart physically, but the parishes were separate and the Perjamosch FB only covers Haulik (which has now been swallowed up by Perjamosch). > > If you have a family tree on ancestry, it would be pretty cool to compare notes though! I'm sure we have branches in common. > > Are you in the US or Canada? My line of Poths came from Gross St-Peter to a small farming village in Saskatchewan, Canada in 1911. > > Cheers, > Melissa > > ________________________________ > From: karen mcbride <islandkaren@bellsouth.net> > Sent: January 20, 2019 11:58 AM > To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) > Subject: [DVHH] Re: ROLL CALL - PERJAMOSCH, GROSS ST. PETER, LOVRIN, KLEINJETSCHA > > Hello Melissa!I have POTHS in my Family, as well as ENDRES, FRANK, RECTOVALD, BAUM/BOHM, and ZILLICH/GILLICH. You can find most all of them in the Perjamosch FB. I copied many of the pages before they took it off-line. I will look-up your JOHANN POTH and send you what I find.Best, Karen. > On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 9:31:45 AM EST, Melissa Brooks <mrp_brooks@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Brick walls: > > Gross St. Peter: POTH, Michael, b. 1881. The existing FB ends in 1852 so I can't connect him back further. Father's name was Johann POTH (b. abt 1847), mother was Anna KLEITSCH from Kleinjetscha born about 1850 (no record of her in the Kleinjetscha FB). Michael Poth might have had military service, but no idea how to research that. > > Also from Gross St. Peter: WIRS, Adam, b. abt 1861. Possibly lived in or died in Lovrin. > > Other surnames of interest in the Banat include: ENDRES, FRANK, RECTOVALD, REICH, KERSCH, SCHUCH, REMMEL, LEHR, WETZLER, MATHES, KREITER, ZILLICH, LUDWIG, KIEFER, BALTES, SEEBERGER, KELLER, BAUM, KLOECKNER, JUNGH > > Cheers, > Melissa Brooks > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Roy...well said. Today's very inexpensive DNA testing is based on an infinitesimal amount of DNA that is "compared" to other samplings and then extrapolated by percentages (not exact scientific testing) to fit a predetermined pattern...and is about current GEOGRAPHY and NOT so much about GENETICS. Also, Where your ancestors came from is Geography..what languages they spoke, food they ate, religions they practiced are called Ethnicity..and does NOT necessarily have anything to do with Genetics/Biology.Example..my granddaughters are genetically Asian and were born in China. Nothing...not what they eat, language they speak, religion they may practice, or where they may live now or in the future will make them Caucasian (genetically white). They are now geographically American, and depending on their choices they may decide to live in France, Africa or Buenos Aires..none of which changes their genetic makeup. So...what are they in 200 years...Americans...or Asians? Genetics vs. Nationality/Ethnicity...Biology vs. Geography.Karen. On Monday, January 21, 2019, 3:04:14 PM EST, MARY ANN HUESER <mahueser@hotmail.com> wrote: Well said Roy. (I shake my head at all the people that think that DNA testing can bypass all the hard work it takes to do genealogy research.) Mary Ann ________________________________ From: Roy Engel <royengel@rogers.com> Sent: Monday 21 January 2019 04:16 To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) Cc: bguysmom Subject: [DVHH] Re: DNA Testing It is important to understand the difference between nationality and ancestry. They have different definitions. A person's nationality is the name of the country in which they hold citizenship. It has no direct relationship to their ancestry. Those of us that live in the USA or Canada know this to be very obvious, unless you happen to belong to the indigenous community in North America. If we have a discussion about ancestry, we have to clarify if we wish to discuss cultural or ethnic ancestry, or whether we want to discuss DNA ancestry. Once again, they are not necessarily the same thing. A person's ethnic or cultural ancestry generally refers to the location, language, customs, cuisine, etc. that was the realm of their most recent ancestors. To put it bluntly, if your immediate ancestors spoke German, wore lederhosen and ate bratwurst, they were Germanic and no DNA test will change this. DNA ancestry, when it is used to estimate an individual's geographic origin, is an att empt to define a person's deep ancestral roots based on statistics from a large DNA database of individuals. The CBC Marketplace investigation showed that this is not an exacting science because each DNA ancestry provider uses their own database and that is fraught with two main problems. Firstly, any database, no matter how large, is only a sampling. Secondly, as was pointed out in the TV report, almost all human DNA is the same. About 99% of our DNA is the same, so teasing out small differences on certain key chromosome markers was not an easy task. One of the biggest problems is that it is impossible to know exactly how humans migrated throughout the world since the dawn of modern humanity. Nobody kept any records in those very early days. We can only rely on anthropological clues and what we can infer from the distribution of people around the world in modern times. I think we can confidently assume that genetically distinct people did not move as distinct, cohesive grou ps throughout human history without any mixing. This is exactly why the pie charts and percentages that you receive with your results never give you a result that is 100% of any given ancestry. My biggest frustration is that these percentages are never properly explained and the CBC report failed to do so as well. When you see a breakdown of your results with percentages of various ancestries, it does not mean that you have ancestors that ever lived in those parts of the world. What it does mean is that your genetic profile, which is based on the values on these genetic markers for which you have been tested, correspond to people currently living in those parts of the world, predicted as a percentage. For example, if your report says that your genetic profile includes 15% Scandinavian, this does not mean that 15% of your ancestors came from Scandinavian countries. In fact, it is very possible that none of your ancestors were ever in Scandinavia. What it does mean is this: Yo ur genetic profile indicates that you share approximately 15% of the markers that you had tested with those people who are known to have Scandinavian ancestry. What the tests can never tell you is whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was truly Scandinavian or whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was also common to people who migrated to the Scandinavian countries at some time later in history. The difference is a bit subtle but it does have significant implications as to where you think your ancestors came from in the world. Also be aware that only some of your markers are tested. The companies that do the testing pick a representative small number of markers. You can have more markers tested, which will refine your results and increase the confidence level of your results, but you have to pay more for this. Regards, Roy On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 6:01:40 p.m. EST, bguysmom via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: I have done ancestry family tree 23&me I had my brothers do Ancestry to see the German it says Great Britian when I know 100% my Kircher Tobias are from Billed Hungary. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: MARY ANN HUESER <mahueser@hotmail.com> Date: 1/20/19 5:44 PM (GMT-05:00) To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] DNA Testing There was a great program on TV the other night regarding finding out what nationality you are by doing DNA testing. Hopefully, copying and pasting will get you the program to watch on line. https://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/episodes/2018-2019/dna-ancestry-tests-can-you-trust-the-results Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Hi, My name is Bernie Mayer and I live in Chicago. This is my first attempt to post to this list. In working on my ancestry, I have two walls. Obelz: Magdalena Obelz was born in 1884 in Albrechtsflor, Romania to Mihai Obelz and Anna Weiler. I have been unable to to link Mihai Obelz or Anna Weiler back in time. I strongly suspect that Mihai Obelz decends from one of the Albrechtsflor, Hungary Obelz families of the late 1700’s, but I have been unable to make a connection. Mayer: In 1827 and 1831, sons Anton and Nicklaus were born in Bocar, Hungary to Joannes Mayer and Magdalena Merd(in). I have been unable to link Joannes Mayer or Magdalena Merd(in) back in time. Again, I strongly suspect that Joannes Mayer descends from one of Albrechtsflor, Hungary Mayer families of the late 1700’s, but I have not been able to make a connection. Thanks, Bernie Mayer Sent from my iPad
Hello Jakob! Thank you very much for the information about the KNIPPEL family being from Torschau! I did not know this and look forward to learning more about this family and their history. Is Angela Hefner's book still online? Thank you again.Judy Offen
Hi, has anyone the book Krawukowo? Please can you look after - Johann Georg, born 1723. He should have died in Karawukowa. Where was he born and when? - He was married to Anna Maria Nyarai, born 1725. Where? Maybe she died too in Karawukowa. Where was she born? From where did she come? Where and when did they married? Bye, Norbert
Here is a link to the family Ritter of Lenauheim which may be of interest. http://ofb.genealogy.net/namelist.php?nachname=Ritter&ofb=lenauheim&modus=&lang=de Also, some Ritters in Neubeschenowa (UjBessenjo) Now Dudestii Noi, Romania. R200 RITTER Margarethe Wwe. * St. Andres † Nb*I seite 222 Fil.St.A. Zwill.unehelich geb.am 03.08.1773 in St.Andres Filiale Nb. 1 Joh.Adam * 04.08.1773 StA † 13.08.1773 StA Hügel J.Adam u. 2 Anna Maria * 04.08.1773 StA † 15.08.1773 StA Anna Maria Hügel vh. . R201 RITTER Johann Sv. Michael R. u. Kath. Kersch * 18.08.1819 Perjamosch † 03.03.1889 Perjamosch Q: FB Pj R 404 o 20.02.1843 Perjamosch Tz: Phil. Zillich, Jak. Burghardt WASMER Anna Tv. Michael W. u. Anna Till <W208.9> * 02.04.1808 Nb † 26.02.1874 Perjamosch vw Remmel WE: R162 - . R202 RITTER Josef (Lehrer) Sv. Jakob R. u. Theresia Weber * 11.10.1874 Warjasch o 27.06.1897 Ostern Tz: Josef Ritter; Johann Muth HOLZINGER Anna Maria * 21.07.1875 Ostern 1 Elis.Anna.Ther. * 07.03.1898 35 <E148> E. Ritter,Adam Holzinger Leibliche Eltern von Elisabeth Anna Theresia Maria sind Ritter Josef (Lehrer in Neubeschenowa) und Holzinger Anna Maria; (Mitteilung M. Friedrich) Adoptiveltern: Holzinger Ludwig und Lambrecht Susanna Magdalena in Nakodorf. B423 BLENZ Alexander led. Sv. Alexander B. u. Katharina Schneider * 08.04.1891 Keglewitsch Hn 35 o 27.03.1919 Nb Tz: Alexander Blenz-Ritter; Peter Michels BLENZ Maria led. Tv. Josef B. u. Maria Bohn <B422.5> * 25.02.1898 Nb Hn 40 E148 ERHARDT Jakob (Kantorlehrer) Sv. Johann E. u. Margarethe Burg * 18.10.1895 Nakodorf † 18.01.1970 Innsbruck Q: FB Nakodorf Fam 972 o 08.01.1920 Nakodorf Tz: Seiler Nik. (Lehrer), Burg Nikolaus HOLZINGER Elisabeth Anna Ther. Tv. Josef Ritter u. Anna M. Holzinger <R202.1> * 07.03.1898 Nb † 03.12.1970 Innsbruck 1 Ludwig Joh. * 23.10.1920 Nak *Nakodorf 2 Johann Jakob * 28.11.1922 Nak Adoptiveltern von Elisabeth Anna Theresia Maria Holzinger sind Holzinger Ludwig und Lambrecht Susanna Magdalena Maria. 5 Mathias * 21.02.1860 151 † 20.10.1863 193 M. Petri,Anna Maria Schäfer 6 Peter * 14.12.1862 148 P. Bach,Gertrude Krausz . K98 KARL Nikolaus led. (Bauer) Sv. Jakob K. u. Barbara Hein <K90.2> * 14.01.1837 Nb Hn 270 † 12.09.1917 Nb 80J. Hn+ 270 Q: FB Sack 3158 1 o 09.05.1858 Nb Tz: Heinrich Schuch-Sackelhausen; Michael Regert EM21J. EF19J. KATZENMAYER Anna Maria led. Tv. Johannn K. u. Anna Maria Seitz 18.04.1839 Sackelhausen Hn 246 * † 12.01.1863 Nb Hn+ 270 1 Anna Maria * 11.07.1859 270 † 26.03.1861 270 A. Kronenberger,Michael Reinert Reg 2 Margarethe * 27.10.1862 271 † 10.03.1863 270 M. Karl,Johann Katzenmayer 2 o 11.05.1863 Nb Tz: Michael Regert; Konrad Zimmer EM26J. EF20J. KLINGLER Margarethe led. Tv. Georg K. u. Margaretha Bosch 25.04.1843 Großjetscha Hn 209 * † 17.02.1923 Nb 79J. Hn+ 553 Q: FB Grj k289.9 1 Magdalena * 21.06.1864 270 <S91> M. Klinger,Josef Jakobi 2 Nikolaus * 20.10.1865 272 <K113> N. Hein,Elisabeth Pfeiffer 3 Theodor * 28.01.1867 270 † 21.03.1867 270 T. Müller,Gertrude Krausz 4 Katharina * 17.05.1868 270 <E145> K. Kurz,Nikolaus Karl 5 Anna Maria * 22.01.1870 270 † 28.01.1870 270 A. Sibold,Peter Ebner 6 Karl * 07.01.1871 270 † 17.04.1878 270 K. Karl,Gertrud Mayer 7 Anton * 05.12.1874 270 <K116> A. Jost,Margaretha Baldesweiler 8 Angela * 29.09.1876 270 † 07.04.1878 270 A. Bach *,Michael Malz 9 Josef * 31.10.1878 270 † 23.11.1879 70 J. Metzen,Susanna Herzog 10 Margarethe * 21.07.1880 270 <S842> M. Baldesweiler,Nikolaus Schmickert 11 Johann * 23.03.1883 270 † 19.12.1886 270 J. Ritter,Margaretha Metzen 12 Peter * 26.10.1887 270 † 02.11.1887 270 P. Schäfer,Barbara Ebner P178 PILLTELEONISS ? Philipp Wwr. * St. Andres Faber lignarius Q: Fb Sa (H. Lay) o 14.06.1774 I/1 St. Andres Tz: Joh.Adam Higl (Wagner).Lischer Franz RITTER Margarethe Wwe. * St. Andres See R200 above R162 REMMEL Johann Wwr. Sv. Joh. R. u. Marg. Bäsch * 29.01.1794 Perjamosch † 03.08.1836 Perjamosch Q: FB Pj R227 o 22.11.1829 I/172 Nb Tz: Burghard Jakob. Kreider Mathias EM35J. EF21J. WASMER Anna led. Tv. Michael W. u. Anna Thill <W208.9> * 02.04.1808 Nb † 26.02.1874 Perjamosch + Gv.Joh.Ritter 5 Kinder * Pj. WE: - R201 W208 WASMER Michael Sv. Michael W. u. Cäcilia Pucher <W206.1> [Waßmer] * 15.09.1768 Nb † 05.07.1809 Nb. 43 J. Hn.8 o 09.02.1790 I/73 Nb Hn208 Tz: Molter Bernhard. Bucher Karl TILL Anna Tv. Johann T. u. Katharina <T135.8> [Thill] * 30.08.1768 Nb WE: - K320 1 Katharina * 10.05.1791 208 † 12.04.1794 208 Kath.Jakobi. Mich. Wasmer 2 Anna Maria * 13.09.1793 208 † 21.09.1793 208 Cäcilia Wasmer. Melch.Wilhelm 3 Michael * 01.01.1795 208 † 08.01.1795 8 Mich.Wasmer. A.M.Michels 4 Nikolaus * 06.02.1797 Nb † 04.12.1797 8 Nik.Wasmer. A.M.Wilhelms 5 Katharina * 17.01.1799 Nb <D86> Kath.Schabl. Melch.Wihelm 6 Susanna * 25.06.1801 Nb † 22.05.1804 Nb Sus.u. Michel Kiefer 7 Anna * 27.07.1803 8 † 13.06.1804 Nb Anna u. Nikolaus Kunzelmann 8 Susanna * 17.12.1805 8 <N162> Sus.Schmidt. Peter Jakobi 9 Anna * 02.04.1808 8 <R162> Pj. A.Kunzelmann. Henning Hope these prove useful for you. Barbara (DRESCHER) Layman Lincoln, Nebraska bdl ________________________________ From: Jane Heath <crzywmn@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 5:28 PM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] Roll call Lenauheim/Csatad/Cetad/Schadat Ritter I am looking for information on my maternal grandfather Anton(?) Ritter. My grandfather said he was called “White Tony” because of his ultra blond hair. Born: 31 December, 1862 Lenauheim, Timis, Romania Died: 22 August, 1942 Lenauheim, Timis, Romania. Married: Margaretha Bitto Parents: Jakob Ritter and Elisabeta Pfeiffer Siblings: 1. Nicholas Ritter 1887 Lenauheim - 1959 Montaña, USA never married 2. Katharine Ritter 1893 Lenauheim- 1984 Pennsylvania, USA married Mathias Enderle 3. Margaret Ritter 1895 Lenauheim 4. Henry Ritter 1895 Lenauheim 5. Anna Ritter 1896 Lenauheim 6. Elisabeth Ritter 1898 Lenauheim- 1987 Pennsylvania, USA married Karl Krohn I am looking for any information you may have about the Ritter Family and when they arrived in Lenauheim as the name Ritter does not appear on the original settlement homes map. Thank you!
Mary Ann, DNA cannot bypass the paper trail. But it is still a valuable took to find clues and provide proof support for conventional genealogy! The two together are called, genetic genealogy. What is valuable is DNA cousin matching, But people are buying DNA kits to see their ethnicity estimate, and not for genealogy research. Most are not interested in that. Then there are some who foolishly think DNA will provide the names and places of their ancestors which of course, it can not. An example of a clue I have uncovered via DNA cousin matching with Ancestry DNA. Two cousins with the surname Kreis appeared in my matches. I had no idea how I would be related. So, I started researching their families working back from what I knew (using conventional genealogy) I discovered their family came to Alexanderhilft, South Russia and then some descendants lived in Rosenfeld where my Dietrich family was living. Then I discovered several sons were born in Kischker Hungary, where my great great grandfather was born. I'm still working on finding the common ancestor, but my point is, I would never have known any of this without DNA! I think it is possible that my Johann Dietrich's wife Katharina, may have been Katharina Kreis? We'll see. It will take more hard work to figure it out. :-) BTW neither the Kries family or Dietrich family appear in the two OFBs for Kischker. Other than in the book Roy is translating (Unforgettable Kisker) There is mention of a third Dietrich family living in house 107, but who did not remain there long. Could be my Dietrich family? Kind regards, Kelly ________________________________ From: MARY ANN HUESER <mahueser@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 8:03 PM To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) Subject: [DVHH] Re: DNA Testing Well said Roy. (I shake my head at all the people that think that DNA testing can bypass all the hard work it takes to do genealogy research.) Mary Ann ________________________________ From: Roy Engel <royengel@rogers.com> Sent: Monday 21 January 2019 04:16 To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) Cc: bguysmom Subject: [DVHH] Re: DNA Testing It is important to understand the difference between nationality and ancestry. They have different definitions. A person's nationality is the name of the country in which they hold citizenship. It has no direct relationship to their ancestry. Those of us that live in the USA or Canada know this to be very obvious, unless you happen to belong to the indigenous community in North America. If we have a discussion about ancestry, we have to clarify if we wish to discuss cultural or ethnic ancestry, or whether we want to discuss DNA ancestry. Once again, they are not necessarily the same thing. A person's ethnic or cultural ancestry generally refers to the location, language, customs, cuisine, etc. that was the realm of their most recent ancestors. To put it bluntly, if your immediate ancestors spoke German, wore lederhosen and ate bratwurst, they were Germanic and no DNA test will change this. DNA ancestry, when it is used to estimate an individual's geographic origin, is an att empt to define a person's deep ancestral roots based on statistics from a large DNA database of individuals. The CBC Marketplace investigation showed that this is not an exacting science because each DNA ancestry provider uses their own database and that is fraught with two main problems. Firstly, any database, no matter how large, is only a sampling. Secondly, as was pointed out in the TV report, almost all human DNA is the same. About 99% of our DNA is the same, so teasing out small differences on certain key chromosome markers was not an easy task. One of the biggest problems is that it is impossible to know exactly how humans migrated throughout the world since the dawn of modern humanity. Nobody kept any records in those very early days. We can only rely on anthropological clues and what we can infer from the distribution of people around the world in modern times. I think we can confidently assume that genetically distinct people did not move as distinct, cohesive grou ps throughout human history without any mixing. This is exactly why the pie charts and percentages that you receive with your results never give you a result that is 100% of any given ancestry. My biggest frustration is that these percentages are never properly explained and the CBC report failed to do so as well. When you see a breakdown of your results with percentages of various ancestries, it does not mean that you have ancestors that ever lived in those parts of the world. What it does mean is that your genetic profile, which is based on the values on these genetic markers for which you have been tested, correspond to people currently living in those parts of the world, predicted as a percentage. For example, if your report says that your genetic profile includes 15% Scandinavian, this does not mean that 15% of your ancestors came from Scandinavian countries. In fact, it is very possible that none of your ancestors were ever in Scandinavia. What it does mean is this: Yo ur genetic profile indicates that you share approximately 15% of the markers that you had tested with those people who are known to have Scandinavian ancestry. What the tests can never tell you is whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was truly Scandinavian or whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was also common to people who migrated to the Scandinavian countries at some time later in history. The difference is a bit subtle but it does have significant implications as to where you think your ancestors came from in the world. Also be aware that only some of your markers are tested. The companies that do the testing pick a representative small number of markers. You can have more markers tested, which will refine your results and increase the confidence level of your results, but you have to pay more for this. Regards, Roy On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 6:01:40 p.m. EST, bguysmom via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: I have done ancestry family tree 23&me I had my brothers do Ancestry to see the German it says Great Britian when I know 100% my Kircher Tobias are from Billed Hungary. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: MARY ANN HUESER <mahueser@hotmail.com> Date: 1/20/19 5:44 PM (GMT-05:00) To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] DNA Testing There was a great program on TV the other night regarding finding out what nationality you are by doing DNA testing. Hopefully, copying and pasting will get you the program to watch on line. https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbc.ca%2Fmarketplace%2Fepisodes%2F2018-2019%2Fdna-ancestry-tests-can-you-trust-the-results&data=02%7C01%7C%7C85788878f16b4c46032808d67fdb9cc2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836978538016474&sdata=4mQIg7oHasP1uhfRFovng0t0WEbZPNDf87C%2BBTlIwLQ%3D&reserved=0 Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Frootswebpref&data=02%7C01%7C%7C85788878f16b4c46032808d67fdb9cc2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836978538016474&sdata=0FeuYf43shIXNT5Q02qCF1o5wzDhfik%2FU26rQ3i2NqQ%3D&reserved=0 Unsubscribe 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Well said Roy. (I shake my head at all the people that think that DNA testing can bypass all the hard work it takes to do genealogy research.) Mary Ann ________________________________ From: Roy Engel <royengel@rogers.com> Sent: Monday 21 January 2019 04:16 To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) Cc: bguysmom Subject: [DVHH] Re: DNA Testing It is important to understand the difference between nationality and ancestry. They have different definitions. A person's nationality is the name of the country in which they hold citizenship. It has no direct relationship to their ancestry. Those of us that live in the USA or Canada know this to be very obvious, unless you happen to belong to the indigenous community in North America. If we have a discussion about ancestry, we have to clarify if we wish to discuss cultural or ethnic ancestry, or whether we want to discuss DNA ancestry. Once again, they are not necessarily the same thing. A person's ethnic or cultural ancestry generally refers to the location, language, customs, cuisine, etc. that was the realm of their most recent ancestors. To put it bluntly, if your immediate ancestors spoke German, wore lederhosen and ate bratwurst, they were Germanic and no DNA test will change this. DNA ancestry, when it is used to estimate an individual's geographic origin, is an attempt to define a person's deep ancestral roots based on statistics from a large DNA database of individuals. The CBC Marketplace investigation showed that this is not an exacting science because each DNA ancestry provider uses their own database and that is fraught with two main problems. Firstly, any database, no matter how large, is only a sampling. Secondly, as was pointed out in the TV report, almost all human DNA is the same. About 99% of our DNA is the same, so teasing out small differences on certain key chromosome markers was not an easy task. One of the biggest problems is that it is impossible to know exactly how humans migrated throughout the world since the dawn of modern humanity. Nobody kept any records in those very early days. We can only rely on anthropological clues and what we can infer from the distribution of people around the world in modern times. I think we can confidently assume that genetically distinct people did not move as distinct, cohesive groups throughout human history without any mixing. This is exactly why the pie charts and percentages that you receive with your results never give you a result that is 100% of any given ancestry. My biggest frustration is that these percentages are never properly explained and the CBC report failed to do so as well. When you see a breakdown of your results with percentages of various ancestries, it does not mean that you have ancestors that ever lived in those parts of the world. What it does mean is that your genetic profile, which is based on the values on these genetic markers for which you have been tested, correspond to people currently living in those parts of the world, predicted as a percentage. For example, if your report says that your genetic profile includes 15% Scandinavian, this does not mean that 15% of your ancestors came from Scandinavian countries. In fact, it is very possible that none of your ancestors were ever in Scandinavia. What it does mean is this: Your genetic profile indicates that you share approximately 15% of the markers that you had tested with those people who are known to have Scandinavian ancestry. What the tests can never tell you is whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was truly Scandinavian or whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was also common to people who migrated to the Scandinavian countries at some time later in history. The difference is a bit subtle but it does have significant implications as to where you think your ancestors came from in the world. Also be aware that only some of your markers are tested. The companies that do the testing pick a representative small number of markers. You can have more markers tested, which will refine your results and increase the confidence level of your results, but you have to pay more for this. Regards, Roy On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 6:01:40 p.m. EST, bguysmom via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: I have done ancestry family tree 23&me I had my brothers do Ancestry to see the German it says Great Britian when I know 100% my Kircher Tobias are from Billed Hungary. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: MARY ANN HUESER <mahueser@hotmail.com> Date: 1/20/19 5:44 PM (GMT-05:00) To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] DNA Testing There was a great program on TV the other night regarding finding out what nationality you are by doing DNA testing. Hopefully, copying and pasting will get you the program to watch on line. https://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/episodes/2018-2019/dna-ancestry-tests-can-you-trust-the-results Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Veszprem County – Looking for 1770’s and earlier connections to my relatives Vogl or Fogl Rauscher Pucsek Katzer Veber or Weber Weinberg or Szolloszi or Veinp(b)erl Kohlrusz Englert Erdlich Kislinger Sell Roszas P(B)uchinger Bertalan Hol(t)zer Zalinger Baumgartner P(B)achstetter Amberg Voroshazi Hudi Tolna county - Schum or Schom Thanks Lil
Kelly I have looked at the Tschakowa Familienbuch and there are a number of people with the Schneider surname and a few with the first name Peter. Unfortunately none were married to a Margaretha and I did not find the children’s names. There was also no listings for Andreas Ammon or references to the village names that you provided. If this family was Lutheran, then the Tschakowa Familienbuch would likely not show them anyway since it is a record of Catholic parishioners. I could send you a scan but I am not sure how helpful it would be. David > On Jan 21, 2019, at 11:35 AM, Kelly Dazet <kellydazet@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi David, > > In regards to the Tschakowa Familienbuch. You mentioned in another message that you checked this book. If you have this book at hand, I wondered if you would be able to check for Peter Schneider and family as in my roll call post below. I know this is just shot in the dark, but in the death record of my great great grandmother, Katharina, Elisabetha Schneider, they wrote that she was born in Cserowka, Ungarn. I interpreted this as a misspelling of Cservenka/Tscherwenka, Batschka, but did they mean Tschakowa? I have not been able to find this family in the Tscherwenka Familienbuch. They would have lived there in the late 1700s until about 1806. > > Thanks very much! > > Kind regards, > > Kelly > > From: Kelly Dazet <kellydazet@hotmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 7:17 PM > To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) > Subject: ROLL CALL: TSCHERWENKA (Cserowka?) Schneider > > Hello All, > > Peter Schneider and family are another brick wall of mine. I know less about them than the Dietrich family! The following is from the 1812 and 1816 census for Neuburg near Odessa. His daughter Katharina Elisabetha married Jakob Dietrich in Neuburg, Odessa. Her Death record says she was born in Cserowka Ungarn, which I interpret as Tscherwenka, but I could be wrong? > > 1812 > Peter Schneider 43 - Wife: Margaretha 43 > Daughters: Christina 14, Maria 11, Dorothea 3 > Son-in-law: Andreas Ammon 24 - Wife: > Christina 20 > Daughter: Friedrika 6 mo. > > 1816 > Schneider, Peter 46, aus: Jöhlingen/ Karlsruhe- > Ba, seine Frau Margaretha 46, seine Kinder > Maria 14, Marianne, gestorben 1814, > Elisabetha, verheiratet 1815, ferner sein > Schwiegersohn Andreas Ammon 28, seine Frau > Christina 19, deren Tochter Friederika 3. [see > Hungary data earlier in this book] > > Here it says he was from Jöhlingen, but I don't think that is correct. Peter Schneider was Lutheran and Jöhlingen is Catholic community. I haven't been able to find Peter Schneider in any OFB for the Batschka. Again, as with my Schmidt and Dietrich ancestors, the Schneiders were only in the Batscka from about 1786 to 1806 and they were Evangelich Lutheran. > > Kind regards, > > Kelly