Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying to catch up after the busy Easter holiday. Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of oral history before my grandparents died. Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my GGM) immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife and 4 remaining children. There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister went to the German club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting overseas. When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from Austria-Hungary, never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the Stadervolumes. All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in the Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. Thank You All, Linda On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast .net> wrote: > Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a Schwowe. > Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the > witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa > would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You are > in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research > quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after > those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and > knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > > This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have brick > walls, post it onto the mail list. > Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the > entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know where > you are at in your search. > > Thanks for sharing, > > Jody McKim Pharr > Woodstock, GA - USA > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling > us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around > his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. > Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my > father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic > German). > > I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one with > a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with a > need to dig and find out more. > > With kind regards, > > Tina Michel, > Montreal > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > >I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. I > >am > > getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. So > > many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to most. I > > am > > not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > > I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived in > > DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their kids > > (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying > > enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had the > > foresight to ask or listen better. > > So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help let > > me > > know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > > Thanks so much for all info and help! > > Barb D. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: SusanM > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > > To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It has > > been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. I'm > > not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say thanks > > to > > people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > > > > > > Susan M > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sorry Rose, I thought that it was called Austria Hungary but perhaps you are correct in saying it was called the Kingdom of Hungary. I always thought they were one and the same. My mother said at that time, all radio programmes were blocked out and they didn't know what was happening in the rest of the world. They only thing they ever heard was Hitler's speeches. I had no idea that the language and currency reverted to Hungarian. I do know that the streets changed names once again. I think our street changed names at least four times. In the last change it was Serbian. Walking through the village a few years ago, I noticed a few of the streets still bore names in honour of the Russia. One street was still called "Lenin". Helga ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Vetter" <rosevetter@gmail.com> To: "DVHH-L" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 12:40 AM Subject: [DVHH] World War II recapture of former Hungarian Territories > Hello Helga, > > I would like to comment on your statement: "I was born in Austria Hungary > when it was regained by Germany..." > > The changing of the map of Hungary has been, and still is, mind boggling. > As > Anne Dreer stated, the Austro-Hungarian Empire ceased to be subsequent to > the Treaty of Trianon, when the re-drawing of the borders by the Allied > Powers resulted in Hungary's devastating loss of more than two thirds of > its territories. After joining the Axis Powers and taking part in the > invasion of Yugoslavia In 1941, Hungary reclaimed some of those lost > territories. As a child I still remember the radical changes in the > Batschka - the currency, city/village/street names, official language, > etc. > were changed overnight from Serbian to Hungarian. > > If you were born during that period prior to 1944, you were born in what > was once again the Kingdom of Hungary - albeit for a short period - but > not > in Austria-Hungary. After 1944, Hungary's borders reverted to its > post-Trianon status, and the Batschka was once again part of Yugoslavia, > now Serbia. > > Rose Vetter > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Thank you All for the very very warm welcome. When Eve told me I had indeed posted to everyone, I had a bit of a panic attack. But, her kind words and all the nice notes from others in the group here (and in private), helped a great deal. I am glad I broke the ice and comforted in being amongst fellow Donauschwaben. I love reading everything in this group. Growing up it was always hard to be able to speak freely about what my parents and their families went through in Yugoslavia. And for many years they tried to hide it. They (and I) were afraid to speak about what happened. There of course was even shame to be dealt with. And fear. But no more. I will not be silent any longer. My (our) heritage is too rich and should not be hidden or forgotten! After the second World War, the Volksdeutsche, the Donauschwaben, were not overly welcomed by the real Germans in Germany. That was a big surprise for the Donauschwaben to see! But, we have to understand that it was a general confusion and misery going on for quite a while because the Germans in Germany, at that particular time did not have anything either. This was all the after results of the war. And that was a big tragedy by itself. Daniela Ivkovic Showley IL - USA -----Original Message----- From: Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast.net> To: 'Daniela' <danielashowley@aol.com> Cc: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Apr 23, 2014 6:27 pm Subject: RE: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe Dear Daniela, I agree with Eve's comments & Welcome! Loving your heritage is wonderful and you're certainly at home amongst this group. Jody McKim Pharr Woodstock, GA - USA -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eve Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 6:19 PM To: Daniela Cc: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe Daniela, You may be disappointed to have actually posted to the list, since that is not what you intended, but I am happy that you broke the ice - even if unintentional. Your post is informative and reads well - AND welcome to the discussion! Eve DVHH mail list co-administrator On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Daniela <danielashowley@aol.com> wrote: > Hi there Barb...I am a new member so I have been a silent reader. > Still trying to get used to how the mailing list works and still > reading all the info on the DVHH website. If I made this reply > correctly I am just responding to you, not the whole group. I am still > nervous and hesitant to message all. It is so comforting to be > amongst this group and getting access to all the literature out > there. I was surprised and happy to see you are in a suburb of > Chicago. I also live in a suburb of Chicago. I was lucky to have grown > up hearing many stories about my mom and dad's life in Banat and > Syrmia. I was always very proud of them. My mom was born in Banat, > Sankt Hubert 1927. She and her family did not flee when they had the > chance. She spent 4 years in Rudolfsgnad Concentration Camp. My dad > was born in Srem, in Zemun 1930. In 1941 his family moved to > Brandenburg, near Berlin because things were very dangerous in Zemun. > They lived in Brandenburg until 1944. He was in the Berlin zoo the day > the first bombs fell on Berlin. I thank God the German's had so many > bomb shelters. My dad was one of the lucky ones to make it to the > subway shelter that could hold hundreds of people. Unfortunately, he > was in what became the Russian zone, not the American zone, and the > Russians sent my dad and his parents back to their homeland in > Yugoslavia. They were put into concentration camp in Mitrowitza, and > my dad and opa were then sent to work in coal mine in Verdnic camp by > Neusatz. In 1948 my parents met each other in Gakowa, which is where > they were sent when the camps closed to work on big farms, pustas, My > older sister was born in Sombor in 1950. And all 3 of them came to the > USA in 1956, where I was born shortly later. I love my heritage and I love speaking "Schwowisch". I will never lose it. I am so happy that the Donauschwaben are all over the world and that we can come together here. > God Bless everyone. > > Daniela > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barb D <bbd2424@gmail.com> > To: SusanM <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tue, Apr 22, 2014 1:26 pm > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps > up. I am getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived > and died. So many question to go and I will probably never have the > answers to most. I am not even sure how to know if we are > Donauschwaben or not. > I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived > in DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their > kids (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't > paying enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I > had had the foresight to ask or listen better. > So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help > let me know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > Thanks so much for all info and help! > Barb D. >

Hello Lotte, Do you think you could submit a story of your parents’ stay in the refugee camp Haid in Austria? It could be published on our DS refugee camp Site. We could also post some pictures. Anne Dreer

Mea Culpa! and a slap with a Kochlöffel. Anne Dreer From: JOHN GRUBER Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 10:22 PM To: Anne Dreer Subject: RE: [DVHH] Austro Hungarian Empire .... the end of World War I in 1918 > From: dreera@sympatico.ca > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 22:00:09 -0400 > Subject: [DVHH] Austro Hungarian Empire > > The Austro-Hungarian empire was dissolved at the end of World War II in 1918. > Serbia and Croatia and some of the other nearby states became the country Yugoslavia. > > Google Yugoslavia for more information. > > Anne D. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Helga, Sorry for the typing error. It should read: There was no more Austria-Hungary after World War One because they lost the war. They changed the borders many times. As in the recent news from the Ukraine and Russia, things got shifted back then, too. Our property and land was in Croatia (also called Srem/Sryem) and when I was there a few years ago our vineyard was in Serbia. Oh, the confusion of it all! Anne D. Freezing in Guelph

To all our Donauschwaben cooks and food lovers, Hello all Donauschwaben cooks and food lovers, Thanks to the recent surge of food-related e-mails, our webmaster, Jody McKim Pharr, has just posted a Recipe Submission Form on the "Cooking Donauschwaben Style!" page. Thank you, Jody! http://www.dvhh.org/cooking-donauschwaben-style/ You will find the link to the form near the top of the Recipe Index page. For the sake of efficiency and record keeping, I would ask that anyone submitting a recipe fill out this form. Follow the easy step-by-step instructions on the top of the form and e-mail the completed form to me. If you can attach a snapshot of yourself (if we don't already have one) to accompany the recipe, that would be appreciated. I would like to express my appreciation to Jane Moore for creating the professional submission form. Jane served as our Membership Registrar for 5 years, but still works behind the scenes as a DVHH Board member, pitching in wherever help is needed. Thank you, Jane! You are all invited to share your treasured DS family recipes. Please keep the recipes as original as possible. Our families have been away from ‘back home’ for a long time. This has contributed to a lot of new cooking and baking ingredients which were unknown to our grandmothers. Make sure to always ask if the ingredients changed since leaving ‘home’. With a wave with my ‘Gscherrtuch’ (dishtowel) I welcome your contributions! Anne Dreer

Hi Eve: Just replied to Anne Dreer and am not sure that it went to the list. However, I had been told in the past that it was recaptured and turned over to Hungary again. I think my mother told me that and should she not know as she lived there during that time. When I met Vesna Ibrahimovic in Sombor 2 years, she told me that same thing. ----- Original Message ----- From: Eve To: Helga Kiely Cc: Linda Bautz McKenna ; Terry Brown ; DVHH Mail List Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [DVHH] Strudel / Schwob or Schwäbele Well learn something new every day - I had never heard of it being Austro - Hungary again in 42. Was it all parts of former Yugoslavia or just some of it? Eve On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Helga Kiely <kandhkiely@rogers.com> wrote: This email was too funny. The part where one is asked what nationality they are. Been there, done that and answered in the same manner. It is all to familiar. Mine is a little more complicated because I had to add more to it. I was born in Austria Hungary when it was regained by Germany and shortly after that went back to Yugoslavia and to-day Serbia. So I also have to mention Yes, I was born in Yugoslavia, but it was Austria Hungry in 1942 and of course now it is Serbia. But I was born as a British Subject which is now called Canadian Citizenship. If one is born to parents that held this status on their passport, the child automatically of the same. Helga. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Bautz McKenna" <famline@embarqmail.com> To: <terryb@tcn.net>; "DVHH Mail List" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Helga Kiely" <kandhkiely@rogers.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [DVHH] Strudel / Schwob or Schwäbele love the cats born in the barn analogy.....perfect ----- Original Message ----- From: <terryb@tcn.net> To: "DVHH Mail List" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Helga Kiely" <kandhkiely@rogers.com> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [DVHH] Strudel / Schwob or Schwäbele > What a small world! I grew up in Winnipeg ....I don't recall a > 'Donauschwab Club' per se but as a family we attended weddings etc. > at St. Steven's Hall on Main street which I always thought was a > Hungarian Club and on special days we attended St Joseph's Church > (german mass) in the North end which was right across the city for > us. St Boniface Cathedral was our parish because St Boniface is where > we lived. > > I left Wpg for Toronto in 1966 and my parents and the rest of the > family all moved to BC in 1968. > > To add more to this saga. Two of my SIL were also 'german' .. Eva > from Banat Hungary ... Resi from Karikovka in Batschka ..... needless > to say there was much conversation about all this after my epiphany at > 40. > > And more ... we immigrated here in '38 just before the war .... my > uncle came in '27 .. he established himself as Hungarian ... Because > that's what his papers showed and when we landed, immigration wanted > to label us as Romanian, again according to papers, (tho we siblings > and our parents were born in the same village our parents passport > showed country of birth as Hungary, while ours state Romania) but my > mother balked at that .... and then when we attended school at the > height of the war, with only 3 German families in the school, it > became difficult, so at my older brother's insistance and my mother's > displeasure we children became Hungarian, for our own safety. Almost > every one of my classmates had someone in their family fighting 'the > germans'. > > This all boils down to ... every Donauschwab has a story.... or even > MANY stories. > > How many of you have experienced this while mingling at a get together/ > party etc. LOL. > > They: So, what are you? > Me: German. > They: What part of Germany? > Me: Not Germany ... well Im not really German .. > They: No? Then what are you? > Me: Well I am German ... but I'm what we are referred to as > Volksduetsch or Donauschwabs. > They: Dunno that ... Well, where were you born? > Me: In Romania. > They: So you're Romanian. > Me: Noooo I was born in the same house and village as my parents but > they were born in Hungary. > I am still German .... my mother explained it to me this way ... if > kittens are born in the stable they will always be kittens/cats, not > cows or horses. > > At this point I usually run out of any intelligent explanations. > > Love you all and love this site. > Terry > > P.S. Can someone tell me how to make that delicious caisse strudel > with phylo pastry ... never mind the stretched pastry... I'm too old > for all that work ... I love lazy shortcuts. > > 'On 21-Apr-14, at 11:26 AM, Helga Kiely wrote: > > It's funny that Terry did not know she was a Donauschwab but not > unusual. When my new neighbour moved into our townhouse complex she > told us that she came to Toronto from Winnipeg about 20 years ago and > she was German on her mother's side and German from Yugoslavia on her > father's side. I said oh you mean you are a Donauschwab. She looked > at me strangely and asked what a Donauschwab was. She too had never > heard of of this. I was floored! Do they not have a Donauschwab club > in Winnipeg? > > Helga Kiely > ----- Original Message ----- From: <terryb@tcn.net> > To: "DVHH Mail List" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 10:58 AM > Subject: [DVHH] Strudel > > >> Thank you June ... I never knew that Linzerteig was the same ... happy >> to hear that. I never heard Linzerteig mentioned in my home, and >> once, my Budapest Hungarian friend wanted to share that with me and I >> kept insisting it was Schpitzbuben. I also have a German friend from >> Gengenbusch (near Freiberg) ... it is interesting but comical how a >> simple conversation from our childhoods can be so far apart in culture >> and language ... my Hungarian friend understands my language and >> customs better than my German friend. We three, became friends here >> in Toronto, and I immediatly identified with them, but they didn't >> with me ... which was strange for me. Until I sorted it all out, it >> unnerved me at times, even tho we are the closest of friends, sharing >> a deep Catholic faith. >> >> Though both my parents were fluent in Hungarian when required, we the >> children were not. My first language was German as in Schwobisch. I >> finally realized my true ethnicity when I was 40 yrs old ... I am now >> 79. The word Donauschwab was never mentioned in my home that I can >> recall, although Banat was ... which of course was not on any >> coventional map. >> >> I love your website and I thank you for that also. >> >> Best regards to you too, >> Terry >> >> On 19-Apr-14, at 5:08 PM, June Meyer wrote: >> >> >> Terry, the Shpitzbuben teig is also the Hungarian LINZERTEIG COOKIE >> (Linz dough) The cookie can be made with cookie cutter or made in a >> shallow pan topped with crisscrossed lattice dough. See my family pre >> World War One recipes in my cookbook. It is listed under Christmas >> Cookie, and the LEKVAR (prune or apricot) recipe is listed in Filling >> for Kipfels and Cookies. >> (website has free recipes) Enjoy!! >> >> >> Regards, June Meyer >> junemeyerrecipes@yahoo.com >> >> >> On Apr 19, 2014, at 1:21 PM, terryb@tcn.net wrote: >> >>> Does anyone have a recipe for 'schpitzbuben teig'. It has a bottom >>> pastry and then a spread of lekwahr or jam over that with th top >>> layer >>> of pastry in criss cross latice. My mother baked it in a large >>> rectangular pan. I cannot find it in my mother's recipes. She knew >>> the >>> recipe so well, I assume she just never felt it was necessary to >>> record. >>> >>> Favorites of mine were saltz kippfel. apfel bite, caisse kuchen, >>> krammel pogatschen and strudel. I always liked the cheese strudel >>> more >>> than the apple. >>> >>> I just love when the food recipes come around ... usually at >>> Eastertime. It seems there usually was a different kind of baking >>> prior to Easter. At Christmas there were more bars, squares and >>> crescents at our house. Even candies which were wrapped and decorated >>> the tree. >>> >>> Thank you all for the work and interest in this site. 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Michael HUPFEL also listed as HIPFEL * um 1716 Podersdorf and wife Anna Maria are my ancestors as well. Linda Bautz McKenna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Clark" <clark1991@att.net> To: "Fran Matkovich" <mjm1021@comcast.net>; "Maria Moore" <Maria.Moore@sas.com>; <BANAT@rootsweb.com>; <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.net> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Josef HÜPFEL Grabatz book > Some information on the book is available at > http://www.banatbooks.com/FamilienbuchList.htm > > PS: The Grabatz book can be ordered from Grabatz HOG, Alfred Ivanov, Am > Hasenlauf 23, D-67591 Offstein; > There is some Email information on the web site. > > I just mailed him cash US post to Germany and in a couple of weeks the > book arrived. It is a two book set in hard cover that requires about 4 > inches of shelve space and cost a bit more than some of the CD books. I > only have one direct line from Grabatz for my family, but several of my > distant cousins have Grabatz connections and the books have been a good > resource. > > Paul Clark > > ________________________________ > From: Paul Clark <clark1991@att.net> > To: Fran Matkovich <mjm1021@comcast.net>; Maria Moore > <Maria.Moore@sas.com>; "BANAT@rootsweb.com" <BANAT@rootsweb.com>; > "donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.net" > <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.net> > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 9:47 PM > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Josef HÜPFEL Grabatz > > > > In Grabatz book > > 2330 HÜPFEL Karl, 2313.5 > * 03.11.1851 Grabatz > oo K 12.01.1875 Grabatz > SCHILLING Barbara, 4713.10 > * 31.07.1854 Grabatz > > I had overlooked one Josef who is a son of the couple below and probably > the one but still one month off. > > 2332 HÜPFEL Philipp 2313.9 (brother of Karl above) > * 07.11.1858 Grabatz > oo K 06.07.1880 Grabatz (Tz: Michael Henzl, Michael HÜPFEL) > Manjet Magdalena 3262.12 > *16.09.1858 Grabatz > > 1. Josef *25.01.1881 in Grabatz > 2. Elisabeth *21.12.1882 Grabatz > 3. Theresia *27.07.1884 Grabatz > > Paten: 1. Josef Erling, Theresia HÜPFEL > > There are four more generations of HÜPFEL back to Michael HÜPFEL *um 1716 > Podersdorf +21.01.1770 Grabatz and spouse Anna Maria Unknown *1720 > Burgenland + 1765 Boglar > > Two other possible Josef both born in 1881 > > Josef *15.09.1881 Grabatz son of Johann HÜPFEL and Theresia HÜPFEL > > Josef *15.07.1881 Grabatz son of Karl HÜPFEL and Barbara Shilling. There > are 4 more siblings in the Grabatz book bottom of page 550 Josef *1874, > Barbara *1878, Franz *1880, Johann * 1884 Appears this couple moved back > and forth between Deutsch Zerne and Grabatz > > There is more information on most of these people, but I only have the > book in hard copy, so not providing it at this time. > > Paul Quentin Clark > > ________________________________ > From: Fran Matkovich <mjm1021@comcast.net> > To: Paul Clark <clark1991@att.net>; Maria Moore <Maria.Moore@sas.com>; > BANAT@rootsweb.com; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.net > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Adam FOHS & Family from Nagykikinda > > The > following HÜPFEL are from the Deutsch Zerne Familienbuch. Perhaps they > are related, as the first one refers back to Grabatz. > > 4014 > HÜPFEL Karl, Taglöhner > * e 1851 Grabatz +/bgr 11/12.06.1928 SZ/DZ > SZ Haus Nr. 725 > vh > SCHILLINGER Barbara, SZ > * Grabatz > 1. Jakob * e 1877 Grabatz <4015> > 2. Anna */~ 08/09.07.1883 SZ/DZ P.: Johann Schillinger, Anna Schillinger > <12189> > 3. Johann */~ 13/15.11.1885 SZ/DZ P.: Johann Schäfer, Theresia Schleimer > <4016> > 4. Anton */~ 12/13.03.1892 SZ/DZ +/bgr 19/20.09.1898 SZ/DZ P.: Anton > Stiebl, > Franziska Weissmann > 5. Franz */~ 17/18.02.1894 SZ/DZ +/bgr 11/12.02.1898 SZ/DZ P.: Franz > Kremer, > Barbara Schillinger > 6. Franz Karl Josef */~ 18/19.03.1897 SZ/DZ P.: Franz Walter, Elisabetha > Behring <4017> > 4015 > HÜPFEL Jakob <4014.1>, Taglöhner, S.v. H. Karl und SCHILLINGER Barbara > * e 1877 Grabatz +/bgr 09/11.08.1924 DZ, Typhus > Haus Nr. 725, 817, DZ 146, ab 29.06.1906 in Cleveland > vh K 29.01.1900 DZ (ledig, ledig, TZ Jakob Schillinger, Nikolaus Kampf) > NEUMAYER Eva <7804.5>, T.v. N. Heinrich und KAMPF Katharina > */~ 11.02.1877 DZ +/bgr 30.04/01.05.1935 DZ, Asthma > 1. Johann */~ 27/30.09.1900 SZ/DZ P.: Johann Gabor, Anna Hüpfel <4018> > 2. Gertrud */~ 23/25.06.1902 DZ P.: Anton Kremer, Anton Neumajer <10401> > 3. Franz */~ 20/26.05.1912 DZ P.: Franz Hüpfel, Katharina Krausshaar > <4019> > 4. Eva */~ 06/12.10.1920 DZ P.: Ludwig Meumayer, > Eva Schummer <10557> > 4016 > HÜPFEL Johann <4014.3>, S.v. H. Karl und SCHILLINGER Barbara > */~ 13/15.11.1885 SZ/DZ > ab 19.12.1909 mit Familie in Cleveland > vh K 15.02.1909 St.-Georgen > TITZ Barbara > * 15.06.1887 Tschesterlek > 4017 > HÜPFEL Franz Karl Josef <4014.6>, Bäcker, S.v. H. Karl und SCHILLINGER > Barbara > */~ 18/19.03.1897 SZ/DZ > auch Hipfel > vh K 09.01.1919 DZ (ledig, ledig, TZ Franz Walter, Josef Majer) > TABAR Anna Maria <11185.6>, T.v. T. Michael und MAYER Maria > */~ 24/30.05.1898 DZ > 1. Johann */~ 25/26.10.1919 SZ/DZ P.: Johann Hüpfel, Elisabetha Mayer > 4018 > HÜPFEL Johann <4015.1>, Musikant, S.v. H. Jakob und NEUMAYER Eva > */~ > 27/30.09.1900 SZ/DZ > vh K 18.06.1925 DZ (ledig, ledig, TZ Josef Wagner, Anton Strobl) > BOCKMÜLLER Maria Anna <1092.3>, T.v. B. Nikolaus und LICHTFUß Katharina > */~ 09/10.07.1902 SZ/DZ > 1. Jakob Johann */~ 16/23.08.1925 DZ > 2. Eva */~ 21/28.02.1929 SZ/DZ P.: Franz Hüpfel, Eva Bauer (geb. > Bockmüller) > Firmung am 11.05.1938 > 4019 > HÜPFEL Franz <4015.3>, S.v. H. Jakob und NEUMAYER Eva > */~ 20/26.05.1912 DZ > vh K 16.06.1935 DZ (ledig, ledig, TZ Nikolaus Feuerholz, Mathias Ludwig, > Anton Spengler) > SEHR Magdalena <10146.3>, T.v. S. Anton und FEUERHOLZ Anna > */~ 05/06.12.1914 DZ > 1. Jakob */~ 09/13.06.1937 DZ +/bgr 27/29.09.1937 DZ P.: Jakob sehr, Eva > Hüpfel > 2. Johann */~ 20/29.10.1939 DZ P.: > Johann Hüpfel, Maria Mayer > 3. Maria */~ 11/17.05.1942 DZ P.: Josef Sehr, Johann Hüpfel, Maria Wagner > (geb. Vichnal) <842> > > > Fran Matkovich > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Clark > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 8:20 AM > To: Maria Moore ; BANAT@rootsweb.com ; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.net > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Adam FOHS & Family from Nagykikinda > > Hello, > > In the Grabatz book, I suspect HIPFEL has an alternate > spelling of HŰPFEL. > > There are a couple of Josef born in 1881, but I didn't see one with a > matching birthday on 25 Feb 1881. I might have overlooked it, but others > might check under the alternate spelling. > > Paul Quentin Clark > > > > ________________________________ > From: Maria Moore <Maria.Moore@sas.com> > To: "BANAT@rootsweb.com" <BANAT@rootsweb.com>; > "donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.net" > <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.net> > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:41 PM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Adam FOHS & Family from Nagykikinda > > > I am new to the list and looking for information on my Grandparents from > the > Banat. What information I have on them from Hungary is from family stories > and documents that my father had. I have not been able to find anything on > them in any other records or indexes. I have not been able to verify the > names of my Great Grandparents or go back any further - I have hit a brick > wall. Any information anyone can provide > or point me in the right direction > is greatly appreciated. > > Catherine ROTH had a father or brothers named Anthony ROTH and Pal ROTH. > > Adam FOHS & Catherine ROTH had: > > * Elizabeth FOHS b. 1883 in Nagykikinda, Hungary > > * Adam FOHS b. 6 Nov 1889 in Nagykikinda, Hungary m. Magdalena KNAB > 1Jan1918 in Chicago, IL. Adam left Bremen on 11Sep1912 aboard the S.S. > Konigin Luise. > > Starting at the age of 14, Adam spent his 4-year apprenticeship under > master > ropemaker Pal ROTH at Nagykikinda, Hungary from 1 March 1904 to 1 March > 1908 > as an apprentice studying the craft of ropemaking. > > Juszt KNAB & Maria RECZLER had: > > * Magdalena KNAB b. 24 Dec 1879 in Seultour, Hungary m. Josef Klar > (b. about 1881) in1902. She was baptized Catholic at Saint-Hubert. > Magdalena arrived in New York on 16Oct1907 aboard the Barbarossa. They > divorced or Josef died. > > > Magdalena KLAR & Josef KLAR had: > > * Elizabeth KLAR b. 10Sep1903 in Yugoslavia. > > Josef HIPFEL b. 25Feb1881 in Grabatz, Hungary m. Elizabeth FOHS in 1900. > > Josef HIPFEL & Elizabeth FOHS had: > > * Teresa A. HIPFEL b. 28Aug1901 in Hungary > > * Elizabeth HIPFEL b. 1Jul1905 in Hungary > > * > Joseph A. 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Brick Walls: # 1 HORWATH HORVATH HORVAT Stefan... birth date and place unknown married PAUTZ, Aloisia her 2nd marriage daughter of Stefan and Aloisia HORVATH Sofia b. 2 April 1924 Kowatschi. no other info on her. (Aloisia Pautz b 1 Oct 1882 Kowatschi to Friedirch PAUTZ and Emilia KIRSCHNER) and died 29 Sept 1956 in Kowatschi; married FRANZWA, Nikolaus 27 Jan 1907) FRANZWA Nikolaus 15 May 1882 Kowatschi d. 2 March 1966 Kowatschi (son of Alois from Tschene & Hubertt, Anna from St. Andreas) Family story had Aloisia married to a man who went to war and was missing for 7 years. Presumed dead, she remarried Stefan Horvath and they had child Sofia b. 2 April 1924 in Kowatschi. 1924 - 7 = 1917 World War 1 time frame FRANZWA returns and I find Aloisia and Nikolaus Franzwa living at 165 Altgasse, Kowatschi in the 1945 population record. No information on them between these dates What happened to her daughter Sofia Horvath??? Stefan Horvath??? Any info / hints appreciated Brick Wall # 2 Josef PETROSCHEK (PETROSEK, POTROSCHEK) b. 16 Nov 1879 Kowatschi ( or Temeswar) son of Emalie Kirschner b. abt 1864 Tem. Jm. to Josef Kirschner and Regina Reck. Josef PETROSCHEK / POTROSCHEK... married Anna WEISSGERBER b. Arad. no date or place of marriage. children: 1. Konrad 07.09.1915 Kowatschi 2. Aloisia 24.08.1917 Kowatschi Any info or hints on the Portroschek/Petroschek family greatly appreciated. Linda Bautz McKenna --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

The Austro-Hungarian empire was dissolved at the end of World War II in 1918. Serbia and Croatia and some of the other nearby states became the country Yugoslavia. Google Yugoslavia for more information. Anne D.

Yes, that's the way how these sauces were cooked in my family. I still make them that way how my Oma made them when I was a child. Andrea Von Samsung Mobile gesendet -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -------- Von: Rose Mary Keller Hughes <rhughes5@rochester.rr.com> Datum: 23.04.2014 21:33 (GMT+01:00) An: donauschwaben-villages <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Betreff: Re: [DVHH] Paradeis Soss Here is the sauce Semlak style.  The meat was used in so many ways in the meal.  First in the soup and then we ate it with a sauce (Paradeis, Horse Radish, or Dill).  I was wonderful. Tomato Sauce (Paradicsommartas) This is a cooked creamy tomato sauce that is not at all like a spaghetti sauce. This tomato sauce is traditionally served over boiled beef and vegetables, after having consumed the beef soup. It is also traditionally served over boiled chicken, after having consumed the chicken soup.  Mother always served her sauce in a bowl and we put dollops of it on our plates and would dip our meat in it.  I was so pleased when we visited our relatives now living in Kandel . . . I didn't have my mother's recipe but this tasted just like it! 1½ tablespoons soft butter 1½ tablespoons flour 1 cup of water or stock 1 heaping tablespoons tomato paste ½ teaspoon sugar c teaspoon salt 2 teaspoons vinegar Melt the butter in a saucepan. Sprinkle the flour over the butter, stir and cook until the mixture foams up. Do not let it brown. Stir in the tomato paste, water or stock and cook stirring so no lumps form. When thickened, stir in sugar, and salt. Taste and adjust seasoning if needed. If you like more "bite" you can add 1 teaspoon of vinegar. Makes over 1 cup of sauce. Recipe can be doubled or tripled if more is needed. Serve hot over boiled beef and vegetables in Hungarian Beef Soup or serve separately for a dipping sauce for the meat. The same sauce is used in the Hungarian Chicken Soup. There, too, the broth is first served with cooked noodles or knadels and then the meat is served with the vegetables and sauce. Sour Cream-Horseradish Sauce 2 cups of sour cream 4 tablespoons prepared grated horse-radish 2 teaspoons sugar ½ teaspoon salt Mix together in small sauce bowl. Add more horse-radish if you like it stronger, more sour cream and sugar if you like it milder. Serve at room temperature Yield: 2 cups. Dill Sauce 1½ tablespoons soft butter 1½ tablespoons flour 1 cup of milk or water or stock 1½ teaspoons good vinegar ½ teaspoon sugar 1 teaspoon fresh dill chopped 1/8 teaspoon salt Melt the butter in a saucepan. Sprinkle the flour over the butter; stir and cook until the mixture foams up. Do not let it brown. Stir in the milk, water or stock and cook stirring so no lumps form. When thickened, stir in vinegar, sugar, fresh dill and salt. Taste and adjust seasoning if needed. Yield: 1 cup Note: This recipe can be doubled or tripled if more is needed. -----Original Message----- From: Eve Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 9:14 AM To: Anne Dreer Cc: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Paradeis Soss What was the liquid used for this roux Anne?  Was it tomato juice by chance? Eve On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Anne Dreer <dreera@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Hello Eve, > In my family and the  extended family we did not put (home made) tomato > sauce in cabbage rolls. They were made with sauerkraut, when available > even > sauerkraut leaves from a whole head of sauerkraut cabbage. We made a roux > with medium browned flour and stirred paprika (naturally) in to the roux > before it was added to the  cooked Sarma ( cabbage rolls). It was gently > stirred in and brought to a boil for a few minutes. > It is possible that other villages did it differently. For stuffed peppers > (Paprich Sarma) we added Paradeis Soss. > Anne > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Helga, I would like to comment on your statement: "I was born in Austria Hungary when it was regained by Germany..." The changing of the map of Hungary has been, and still is, mind boggling. As Anne Dreer stated, the Austro-Hungarian Empire ceased to be subsequent to the Treaty of Trianon, when the re-drawing of the borders by the Allied Powers resulted in Hungary's devastating loss of more than two thirds of its territories. After joining the Axis Powers and taking part in the invasion of Yugoslavia In 1941, Hungary reclaimed some of those lost territories. As a child I still remember the radical changes in the Batschka - the currency, city/village/street names, official language, etc. were changed overnight from Serbian to Hungarian. If you were born during that period prior to 1944, you were born in what was once again the Kingdom of Hungary - albeit for a short period - but not in Austria-Hungary. After 1944, Hungary's borders reverted to its post-Trianon status, and the Batschka was once again part of Yugoslavia, now Serbia. Rose Vetter

Well learn something new every day - I had never heard of it being Austro - Hungary again in 42. Was it all parts of former Yugoslavia or just some of it? Eve On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Helga Kiely <kandhkiely@rogers.com> wrote: > > > This email was too funny. The part where one is asked what nationality > they > are. Been there, done that and answered in the same manner. It is all to > familiar. Mine is a little more complicated because I had to add more to > it. I was born in Austria Hungary when it was regained by Germany and > shortly after that went back to Yugoslavia and to-day Serbia. So I also > have to mention Yes, I was born in Yugoslavia, but it was Austria Hungry in > 1942 and of course now it is Serbia. But I was born as a British Subject > which is now called Canadian Citizenship. If one is born to parents that > held this status on their passport, the child automatically of the same. > > Helga. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Bautz McKenna" <famline@embarqmail.com> > To: <terryb@tcn.net>; "DVHH Mail List" < > donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "Helga Kiely" <kandhkiely@rogers.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Strudel / Schwob or Schwäbele > > > love the cats born in the barn analogy.....perfect > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <terryb@tcn.net> > To: "DVHH Mail List" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "Helga Kiely" <kandhkiely@rogers.com> > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 6:19 PM > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Strudel / Schwob or Schwäbele > > > > What a small world! I grew up in Winnipeg ....I don't recall a > > 'Donauschwab Club' per se but as a family we attended weddings etc. > > at St. Steven's Hall on Main street which I always thought was a > > Hungarian Club and on special days we attended St Joseph's Church > > (german mass) in the North end which was right across the city for > > us. St Boniface Cathedral was our parish because St Boniface is where > > we lived. > > > > I left Wpg for Toronto in 1966 and my parents and the rest of the > > family all moved to BC in 1968. > > > > To add more to this saga. Two of my SIL were also 'german' .. Eva > > from Banat Hungary ... Resi from Karikovka in Batschka ..... needless > > to say there was much conversation about all this after my epiphany at > > 40. > > > > And more ... we immigrated here in '38 just before the war .... my > > uncle came in '27 .. he established himself as Hungarian ... Because > > that's what his papers showed and when we landed, immigration wanted > > to label us as Romanian, again according to papers, (tho we siblings > > and our parents were born in the same village our parents passport > > showed country of birth as Hungary, while ours state Romania) but my > > mother balked at that .... and then when we attended school at the > > height of the war, with only 3 German families in the school, it > > became difficult, so at my older brother's insistance and my mother's > > displeasure we children became Hungarian, for our own safety. Almost > > every one of my classmates had someone in their family fighting 'the > > germans'. > > > > This all boils down to ... every Donauschwab has a story.... or even > > MANY stories. > > > > How many of you have experienced this while mingling at a get together/ > > party etc. LOL. > > > > They: So, what are you? > > Me: German. > > They: What part of Germany? > > Me: Not Germany ... well Im not really German .. > > They: No? Then what are you? > > Me: Well I am German ... but I'm what we are referred to as > > Volksduetsch or Donauschwabs. > > They: Dunno that ... Well, where were you born? > > Me: In Romania. > > They: So you're Romanian. > > Me: Noooo I was born in the same house and village as my parents but > > they were born in Hungary. > > I am still German .... my mother explained it to me this way ... if > > kittens are born in the stable they will always be kittens/cats, not > > cows or horses. > > > > At this point I usually run out of any intelligent explanations. > > > > Love you all and love this site. > > Terry > > > > P.S. Can someone tell me how to make that delicious caisse strudel > > with phylo pastry ... never mind the stretched pastry... I'm too old > > for all that work ... I love lazy shortcuts. > > > > 'On 21-Apr-14, at 11:26 AM, Helga Kiely wrote: > > > > It's funny that Terry did not know she was a Donauschwab but not > > unusual. When my new neighbour moved into our townhouse complex she > > told us that she came to Toronto from Winnipeg about 20 years ago and > > she was German on her mother's side and German from Yugoslavia on her > > father's side. I said oh you mean you are a Donauschwab. She looked > > at me strangely and asked what a Donauschwab was. She too had never > > heard of of this. I was floored! Do they not have a Donauschwab club > > in Winnipeg? > > > > Helga Kiely > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <terryb@tcn.net> > > To: "DVHH Mail List" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 10:58 AM > > Subject: [DVHH] Strudel > > > > > >> Thank you June ... I never knew that Linzerteig was the same ... happy > >> to hear that. I never heard Linzerteig mentioned in my home, and > >> once, my Budapest Hungarian friend wanted to share that with me and I > >> kept insisting it was Schpitzbuben. I also have a German friend from > >> Gengenbusch (near Freiberg) ... it is interesting but comical how a > >> simple conversation from our childhoods can be so far apart in culture > >> and language ... my Hungarian friend understands my language and > >> customs better than my German friend. We three, became friends here > >> in Toronto, and I immediatly identified with them, but they didn't > >> with me ... which was strange for me. Until I sorted it all out, it > >> unnerved me at times, even tho we are the closest of friends, sharing > >> a deep Catholic faith. > >> > >> Though both my parents were fluent in Hungarian when required, we the > >> children were not. My first language was German as in Schwobisch. I > >> finally realized my true ethnicity when I was 40 yrs old ... I am now > >> 79. The word Donauschwab was never mentioned in my home that I can > >> recall, although Banat was ... which of course was not on any > >> coventional map. > >> > >> I love your website and I thank you for that also. > >> > >> Best regards to you too, > >> Terry > >> > >> On 19-Apr-14, at 5:08 PM, June Meyer wrote: > >> > >> > >> Terry, the Shpitzbuben teig is also the Hungarian LINZERTEIG COOKIE > >> (Linz dough) The cookie can be made with cookie cutter or made in a > >> shallow pan topped with crisscrossed lattice dough. See my family pre > >> World War One recipes in my cookbook. It is listed under Christmas > >> Cookie, and the LEKVAR (prune or apricot) recipe is listed in Filling > >> for Kipfels and Cookies. > >> (website has free recipes) Enjoy!! > >> > >> > >> Regards, June Meyer > >> junemeyerrecipes@yahoo.com > >> > >> > >> On Apr 19, 2014, at 1:21 PM, terryb@tcn.net wrote: > >> > >>> Does anyone have a recipe for 'schpitzbuben teig'. It has a bottom > >>> pastry and then a spread of lekwahr or jam over that with th top > >>> layer > >>> of pastry in criss cross latice. My mother baked it in a large > >>> rectangular pan. I cannot find it in my mother's recipes. She knew > >>> the > >>> recipe so well, I assume she just never felt it was necessary to > >>> record. > >>> > >>> Favorites of mine were saltz kippfel. apfel bite, caisse kuchen, > >>> krammel pogatschen and strudel. I always liked the cheese strudel > >>> more > >>> than the apple. > >>> > >>> I just love when the food recipes come around ... usually at > >>> Eastertime. It seems there usually was a different kind of baking > >>> prior to Easter. At Christmas there were more bars, squares and > >>> crescents at our house. Even candies which were wrapped and decorated > >>> the tree. > >>> > >>> Thank you all for the work and interest in this site. A Happy Easter/ > >>> Frolich Ostern to All. > >>> > >>> Terry (Miller) Blanchette > >>> Toronto > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com > >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > >> the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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Lotte, My parents were also at Haid (by Ansfeldon) from 47-51 before they came here to the US. I have a book filled with pictures that my cousin sent me. Have you seen it? Eve On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Jody McKim Pharr < jodymckimpharr@comcast.net> wrote: > Dear Lotte, > > Thank you for sharing some of the details of your life. I'd like to point > you to the DVHH "Displaced Persons Camps" section, whereby you could submit > your family's story of being in Haid and any photos they may have taken > while there. > SEE: http://www.dvhh.org/history/ds_camps/index.htm > > Jody McKim Pharr > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lotte > Devlin > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 4:17 PM > To: monicaellis621@aol.com; terryb@tcn.net; > donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Strudel > > > I also have a strange (to me) story. We immigrated when I was 2 from an > Austrian DP camp in Haid. Growing up there was a big DS community in > Philadelphia, so we went to German school and German singing school on > Saturdays, and "Tanzgruppe" on Tuesdays. > So I learned all the old German folk songs. Though my mother was also a > Donauschwaebin, her dialect was more Austrian than Schwowisch, so we spoke > her dialect of German at home. I could understand Schwowisch, but speak it. > > > The summer between my sophomore and junior year in college I spent the > summer studying German in Iserlohn Germany at the Goetheinstitut. In my > class, there were "Volksdeutsche" from Russia, Poland, Argentina, > Czechoslovakia, etc. One night we had a cookout and we started singing > these old songs, which all the Volksdeutsche knew perfectly. My German > teacher (a "German" German) asked me where I learned all of these songs, > and > so perfectly. I proudly said that I'd learned them in singing school. He > said, "you know, no one sings these songs in Germany any more today. You > need to be careful where you sing them!" I was crushed! > > But I still sing them whenever I clean house, as we did at home growing up. > My children even know some of them. I believe that the gift of heritage is > a gift we owe our offspring! > > Lotte > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

Found a Katharina Mausz b. 19 Feb 1883 in Kowatschi (10 km north of Timisoara/Temeswar). D. 16 Oct 1943 Kowatschi. married Muller, Franz 18 Nov 1906 (he was b. 2 Apr 1881 Katharina's parents: Mikolaus Mausz b. 1847 New Arad, d. 21 Aug either 1911 or 1916 (illegible) and Ww. Gassner, Franziska b 9 July 1847 in Grabatz. d. 11 Sept 1887. Linda Bautz McKenna Kowatschi village coordinator ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice Gentry" <alice@gentry.net> To: "donauschwaben-villages" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 11:35 PM Subject: [DVHH] ROLL CALL 2014 Dietz/Ditz/Titz, Mausz, Reichrath, Augenstein (mostly from Jimbolia/Hatzfeld) > Name Village > DIETZ/TITZ/DITZ Hatzfeld > AUGENSTEIN Hatzfeld > MAUSZ Hatzfeld (probably) > REICHRATH Hatzfeld (probably) > > My maternal grandmother, *Theresia Hedwig Dietz *(also spelled as Ditz > and Titz), immigrated from Hatzfeld in 1904 to Cincinnati to join her > sister, Genoveva, who had married in Hungary and also immigrated to > Cincinnati. > > Her parents and siblings were: > > DIETZ, Josephus > > Birth: 27 Aug 1841 in Jimbolia, Timis, Romania > Marriage: 30 Jan 1871 in Jimbolia, Timis, Romania > > Wife: > > AUGENSTEIN, Catharina (also spelled as Katalin) > Birth: 16 Jun 1851 in Jimbolia, Timis, Romania > > Children: > > DIETZ, Josephus > > Birth: 16 Jul 1872 in Jimbolia, Timis, Romania > > Death: 27 Jan 1879 in Jimbolia, Timis, Romania > > > DIETZ, Joannes > Birth: 04 Apr 1874 in Jimbolia, Timis, Romania > Death: 31 Dec 1878 in Jimbolia, Timis, Romania > > DIETZ, Anna > Birth: 26 Jul 1876 in Jimbolia, Timis, Romania > Death: 16 Sep 1888 > > DIETZ, Genoveva Catharina > Birth: 31 Aug 1878 > Marriage: 05 May 1901 in Jimbolia, Timis, Romania > > Immigrated to Cincinnati after 1901 > Death: 1914 (in Ohio?) > > *DIETZ, Theresia Hedwig*** > > ** > > *Birth: 8 Apr 1885 in Hatzfeld, Hungary; Jimbolia > Immigrated to Cincinnati in 1904* > > DIETZ, Franciscus > Birth: 16 Apr 1881 > Marriage: 07 Nov 1959 in Deva, Romania > > DIETZ, Jozsef > Birth: 23 Apr 1892 > > Other ancestors (and siblings of ancestors) with the limited information > that I have: > > AUGENSTEIN,Antonius Birth: 04 Feb 1850 > > AUGENSTEIN, Franciscus > > DIETZ, Catharina Birth: 19 Sep 1802 > > > DIETZ, Chrisophorus Birth: 04 Apr 1806 > > DIETZ, Dominicus Birth: 22 Feb 1809 in Jimbolia Marriage: 1830 > > DIETZ, Franciscus Birth: 1840 > > DIETZ, Joannes Birth: 22 Feb 1811 Death: 27 Jan 1879 in > Jimbolia, Timis, Romania > > DIETZ, Petrus Birth: 23 Apr 1804 > > DIETZ, Theodorus Birth: 24 Sep 1815 > > MAUSZ, Catharina > > REICHRATH, Anna Birth: 1808 Marriage: 1830 > > > For some of these ancestors, I have house numbers in Hatzfeld. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

God bless you Barbara, you've a wonderful person to know; and was very happy we met finally in person in 2007 at the Mansfield Treffen. You've been very supportive of the DVHH through the years, being a member and surprising us with purchasing and donating about a dozen Donauschwäbischer Kalenders, ---which hopefully very soon you'll get to see what a "valued contribution" that really was. Donauschwäbischer Kalenders: http://www.dvhh.org/community/dsk.htm Thank you, thank you! Jody -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Hilderson Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 9:41 PM To: Barbara Hilderson; donauschwaben-villages Subject: Re: [DVHH] DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES Digest, Vol 7, Issue 95 From: bhilderson@msn.com Subject: RE: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES Digest, Vol 7, Issue 95 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 19:44:32 -0400 Several years ago while at the Florida Keys Welcome Center for postcards. 3 women got out of the next vehicle with a dog. I said hello and when they answered, with accents. Because of myDonauschwaben ancestors, I asked if they were Donauschwaben, which they didn't recognize. Ever on the lookout for "Us", I mentioned Banat............Their reaction was wonderful.....we did make a connection. The3, Brunhilde, Gerta; and Helga were indeed "Us", we talked for an hour; and their story was of their Motherwith them did flee the Russians. So, 1 of them remained in Germany, 1 emigrated to Canada; and the 3rdto Mexico. We are still in contact. 15 years ago I'd never heard of Donauschwaben. 13 years ago it happened, I met Jody on line...since thenthis wonderful organization has spread the knowledge of our ancestors and their lives over the internet.

Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a Schwowe. Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You are in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have brick walls, post it onto the mail list. Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know where you are at in your search. Thanks for sharing, Jody McKim Pharr Woodstock, GA - USA -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic German). I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one with a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with a need to dig and find out more. With kind regards, Tina Michel, Montreal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. I >am > getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. So > many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to most. I > am > not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived in > DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their kids > (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying > enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had the > foresight to ask or listen better. > So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help let > me > know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > Thanks so much for all info and help! > Barb D. > > -----Original Message----- > From: SusanM > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It has > been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. I'm > not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say thanks > to > people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > > > Susan M

Dear Daniela, I agree with Eve's comments & Welcome! Loving your heritage is wonderful and you're certainly at home amongst this group. Jody McKim Pharr Woodstock, GA - USA -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eve Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 6:19 PM To: Daniela Cc: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe Daniela, You may be disappointed to have actually posted to the list, since that is not what you intended, but I am happy that you broke the ice - even if unintentional. Your post is informative and reads well - AND welcome to the discussion! Eve DVHH mail list co-administrator On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Daniela <danielashowley@aol.com> wrote: > Hi there Barb...I am a new member so I have been a silent reader. > Still trying to get used to how the mailing list works and still > reading all the info on the DVHH website. If I made this reply > correctly I am just responding to you, not the whole group. I am still > nervous and hesitant to message all. It is so comforting to be > amongst this group and getting access to all the literature out > there. I was surprised and happy to see you are in a suburb of > Chicago. I also live in a suburb of Chicago. I was lucky to have grown > up hearing many stories about my mom and dad's life in Banat and > Syrmia. I was always very proud of them. My mom was born in Banat, > Sankt Hubert 1927. She and her family did not flee when they had the > chance. She spent 4 years in Rudolfsgnad Concentration Camp. My dad > was born in Srem, in Zemun 1930. In 1941 his family moved to > Brandenburg, near Berlin because things were very dangerous in Zemun. > They lived in Brandenburg until 1944. He was in the Berlin zoo the day > the first bombs fell on Berlin. I thank God the German's had so many > bomb shelters. My dad was one of the lucky ones to make it to the > subway shelter that could hold hundreds of people. Unfortunately, he > was in what became the Russian zone, not the American zone, and the > Russians sent my dad and his parents back to their homeland in > Yugoslavia. They were put into concentration camp in Mitrowitza, and > my dad and opa were then sent to work in coal mine in Verdnic camp by > Neusatz. In 1948 my parents met each other in Gakowa, which is where > they were sent when the camps closed to work on big farms, pustas, My > older sister was born in Sombor in 1950. And all 3 of them came to the > USA in 1956, where I was born shortly later. I love my heritage and I love speaking "Schwowisch". I will never lose it. I am so happy that the Donauschwaben are all over the world and that we can come together here. > God Bless everyone. > > Daniela > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barb D <bbd2424@gmail.com> > To: SusanM <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tue, Apr 22, 2014 1:26 pm > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps > up. I am getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived > and died. So many question to go and I will probably never have the > answers to most. I am not even sure how to know if we are > Donauschwaben or not. > I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived > in DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their > kids (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't > paying enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I > had had the foresight to ask or listen better. > So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help > let me know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > Thanks so much for all info and help! > Barb D. >

Welcome to the list Gaby. Glad you posted. We've all been new on the list at one point. There are no right or wrong questions and DS stories and comments are always welcome. For you and others who may be fairly new to the DVHH list, I invite you to see our 10th year anniversary publication of Jan 15, 1013: http://www.dvhh.org/community/10-years/index.htm Particularly read about listers finding cousins via the DVHH: http://www.dvhh.org/community/connections.htm You never know who is reading your messages, either now or in the future. That's why it is so important to post information and inquires to the list, so it can be stored in the Rootsweb archives ---probably forever! Thanks again, Jody McKim Pharr Woodstock, GA - USA -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gaby Curtis-Hayward Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 5:31 AM To: Eve Cc: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe Hi Daniela I am also new to the mailing list and was a silent reader until a few days ago when I reluctantly posted my first story. My mother was from Banat, Torda. Your story was very sad and I am so grateful that my mother fled when she had the chance. Welcome aboard! Gaby Sent from my iPad > On 23 Apr 2014, at 7:48 am, Eve <evebrown@gmail.com> wrote: > > Daniela, > > You may be disappointed to have actually posted to the list, since > that is not what you intended, but I am happy that you broke the ice - > even if unintentional. Your post is informative and reads well - AND > welcome to the discussion! > > Eve > DVHH mail list co-administrator > > >> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Daniela <danielashowley@aol.com> wrote: >> >> Hi there Barb...I am a new member so I have been a silent reader. >> Still trying to get used to how the mailing list works and still >> reading all the info on the DVHH website. If I made this reply >> correctly I am just responding to you, not the whole group. I am >> still nervous and hesitant to message all. It is so comforting to be >> amongst this group and getting access to all the literature out >> there. I was surprised and happy to see you are in a suburb of >> Chicago. I also live in a suburb of Chicago. I was lucky to have >> grown up hearing many stories about my mom and dad's life in Banat >> and Syrmia. I was always very proud of them. My mom was born in >> Banat, Sankt Hubert 1927. She and her family did not flee when they >> had the chance. She spent 4 years in Rudolfsgnad Concentration Camp. >> My dad was born in Srem, in Zemun 1930. In 1941 his family moved to >> Brandenburg, near Berlin because things were very dangerous in Zemun. >> They lived in Brandenburg until 1944. He was in the Berlin zoo the >> day the first bombs fell on Berlin. I thank God the German's had so >> many bomb shelters. My dad was one of the lucky ones to make it to >> the subway shelter that could hold hundreds of people. >> Unfortunately, he was in what became the Russian zone, not the >> American zone, and the Russians sent my dad and his parents back to >> their homeland in Yugoslavia. They were put into concentration camp >> in Mitrowitza, and my dad and opa were then sent to work in coal mine >> in Verdnic camp by Neusatz. In 1948 my parents met each other in >> Gakowa, which is where they were sent when the camps closed to work >> on big farms, pustas, My older sister was born in Sombor in 1950. And >> all 3 of them came to the USA in 1956, where I was born shortly >> later. I love my heritage and I love speaking "Schwowisch". I will >> never lose it. I am so happy that the Donauschwaben are all over the >> world and ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message