You are absolutely right Rita. My mail line Ancestor was in the military from Rojau, Bohemia. He is not registered in Ulm either. I researched this some years ago and learned that anyone who was already living in the Empire was already a citizen. Too bad I can't find his actual military record, or even why his military group went to Banat in the late 1700's. Jody -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rita Schiwanowitsch Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 11:56 AM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe I know that part of my family came to the Banat from an area that was already in the Austro Hungarian Empire. Specifically from the Moravia, Hungarian, and Croatia regions. Since these people were traveling to an area within the same country, they did not need to register like those from Germany, for example. Rita > From: evebrown@gmail.com > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 09:19:45 -0400 > To: ljaspersen@gmail.com > CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > Hello Linda, > > I don't know if this would be the case for your family or not, my > father's family also was not in the Stader books. I learned with time > and help the reason was because his family was brought in as Grenzers - border patrol. > My phrasing of this may be incorrect - I am by no means an expert and > please I someone knows the how and why of the Grenzers coming into the > Banat - please share here! > > Eve > > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com>wrote: > > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The > > heritage postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them > > all - trying to catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments > > about little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. > > Perhaps they were too busy struggling to support their families, > > learn English, and adapt to a radically new life in their adopted > > country. And in my case... I also regret not asking the questions > > that might have triggered more sharing of oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were > > born in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to > > the 1700's, according to Erwin Kilzheimer's wonderful Familienbuch. > > My GF immigrant to Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; > > his widowed mother (my > > GGM) > > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, > > in 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 > > & 1910, and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to > > accompany his wife and 4 remaining children. > > > > > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > > went to the German club but that it closed during WWII and never > > reopened. There was distrust and fear at the time; many of the > > neighbors' sons were soldiers fighting overseas. > > > > > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about "the old country" as > > they called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from > > Austria-Hungary, never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. > > One of my huge brick walls is trying to learn where in Germany my > > ancestors emigrated from in the 1700's. Unfortunately, I haven't > > been able to find them in the Stadervolumes. > > > > > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site > > have been a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something > > new to learn, particularly from listers with family memories of what > > life was like in the Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > > > > Thank You All, > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr > > <jodymckimpharr@comcast .net> wrote: > > > > > Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a > > Schwowe. > > > Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were > > > in the witness protection program. They would barely talk about > > > anything. Papa would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) > > > to speak English "You > > are > > > in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family > > > research quest. It wasn't easy figuring out all the answers to my > > > questions after those who had the answers had passed away. Because > > > of our wonderful and knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > > > > > > This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you > > > have > > brick > > > walls, post it onto the mail list. > > > Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to > > > the entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help > > > can know > > where > > > you are at in your search. > > > > > > Thanks for sharing, > > > > > > Jody McKim Pharr > > > Woodstock, GA - USA > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > > > donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina > > > Michel > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > > > To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > > > I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on > > > telling us about the good eating and all the things that were done > > > in and around his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. > > > Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked > > > my father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch > > > (Academic German). > > > > > > I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only > > > one > > with > > > a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure > > > enough with > > a > > > need to dig and find out more. > > > > > > With kind regards, > > > > > > Tina Michel, > > > Montreal > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > > > To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; > > > <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > > > > > > >I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. > > I > > > >am > > > > getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. > > So > > > > many question to go and I will probably never have the answers > > > > to > > most. I > > > > am > > > > not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > > > > I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who > > > > lived > > in > > > > DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to > > > > their > > kids > > > > (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't > > > > paying enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I > > > > wish I had had > > the > > > > foresight to ask or listen better. > > > > So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to > > > > help > > let > > > > me > > > > know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > > > > Thanks so much for all info and help! > > > > Barb D. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: SusanM > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > > > > To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > > > > > I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this > > > > discussion. It > > has > > > > been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. > > I'm > > > > not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to > > > > say > > thanks > > > > to > > > > people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Rita & Eve. The possibility that my Banat ancestors may have come from somewhere other than Germany was not consider. They were mostly farmers and a few craftsmen. This is an important reminder to avoid jumping to any premature conclusions. Linda Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 24, 2014, at 11:56 AM, Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com> wrote: > > I know that part of my family came to the Banat from an area that was already in the Austro Hungarian Empire. Specifically from the Moravia, Hungarian, and Croatia regions. Since these people were traveling to an area within the same country, they did not need to register like those from Germany, for example. > > > > Rita > > > > > >> From: evebrown@gmail.com >> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 09:19:45 -0400 >> To: ljaspersen@gmail.com >> CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >> >> Hello Linda, >> >> I don't know if this would be the case for your family or not, my father's >> family also was not in the Stader books. I learned with time and help the >> reason was because his family was brought in as Grenzers - border patrol. >> My phrasing of this may be incorrect - I am by no means an expert and >> please I someone knows the how and why of the Grenzers coming into the >> Banat - please share here! >> >> Eve >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage >>> postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying to >>> catch up after the busy Easter holiday. >>> >>> >>> >>> Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about >>> little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were >>> too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to >>> a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also >>> regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of >>> oral history before my grandparents died. >>> >>> >>> >>> Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born >>> in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, >>> according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to >>> Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my >>> GGM) >>> immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in >>> 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, >>> and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife >>> and 4 remaining children. >>> >>> >>> >>> There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no >>> Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister >>> went to the German >>> club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust >>> and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting >>> overseas. >>> >>> >>> >>> When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they >>> called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from Austria-Hungary, >>> never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick >>> walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in >>> the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the >>> Stadervolumes. >>> >>> >>> >>> All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been >>> a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, >>> particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in the >>> Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. >>> >>> >>> Thank You All, >>> >>> >>> Linda >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast >>> .net> wrote: >>> >>>> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a >>> Schwowe. >>>> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the >>>> witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa >>>> would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You >>> are >>>> in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research >>>> quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after >>>> those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and >>>> knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. >>>> >>>> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have >>> brick >>>> walls, post it onto the mail list. >>>> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the >>>> entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know >>> where >>>> you are at in your search. >>>> >>>> Thanks for sharing, >>>> >>>> Jody McKim Pharr >>>> Woodstock, GA - USA >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: >>>> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM >>>> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>>> >>>> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling >>>> us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around >>>> his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. >>>> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my >>>> father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic >>>> German). >>>> >>>> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one >>> with >>>> a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with >>> a >>>> need to dig and find out more. >>>> >>>> With kind regards, >>>> >>>> Tina Michel, >>>> Montreal >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> >>>> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>>> >>>> >>>>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. >>> I >>>>> am >>>>> getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. >>> So >>>>> many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to >>> most. I >>>>> am >>>>> not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. >>>>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived >>> in >>>>> DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their >>> kids >>>>> (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying >>>>> enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had >>> the >>>>> foresight to ask or listen better. >>>>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help >>> let >>>>> me >>>>> know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. >>>>> Thanks so much for all info and help! >>>>> Barb D. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: SusanM >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM >>>>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>>>> >>>>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It >>> has >>>>> been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. >>> I'm >>>>> not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say >>> thanks >>>>> to >>>>> people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Susan M >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> -- >> Syrmia Regional Coordinator >> http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rita, Thank you for posting about people who came from Moravia not having to register because they were from the same country. that explains why I can't find my Grandfathers relatives on any lists of people entering Hungary. Harold Bratsko ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rita Schiwanowitsch" <schiwanore@msn.com> To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 9:56:07 AM Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe I know that part of my family came to the Banat from an area that was already in the Austro Hungarian Empire. Specifically from the Moravia, Hungarian, and Croatia regions. Since these people were traveling to an area within the same country, they did not need to register like those from Germany, for example. Rita > From: evebrown@gmail.com > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 09:19:45 -0400 > To: ljaspersen@gmail.com > CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > Hello Linda, > > I don't know if this would be the case for your family or not, my father's > family also was not in the Stader books. I learned with time and help the > reason was because his family was brought in as Grenzers - border patrol. > My phrasing of this may be incorrect - I am by no means an expert and > please I someone knows the how and why of the Grenzers coming into the > Banat - please share here! > > Eve > > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com>wrote: > > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage > > postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying to > > catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about > > little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were > > too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to > > a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also > > regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of > > oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born > > in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, > > according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to > > Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my > > GGM) > > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in > > 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, > > and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife > > and 4 remaining children. > > > > > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > > went to the German > > club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust > > and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting > > overseas. > > > > > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they > > called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from Austria-Hungary, > > never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick > > walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in > > the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > > Stadervolumes. > > > > > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been > > a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, > > particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in the > > Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > > > > Thank You All, > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast > > .net> wrote: > > > > > Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a > > Schwowe. > > > Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the > > > witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa > > > would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You > > are > > > in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research > > > quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after > > > those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and > > > knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > > > > > > This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have > > brick > > > walls, post it onto the mail list. > > > Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the > > > entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know > > where > > > you are at in your search. > > > > > > Thanks for sharing, > > > > > > Jody McKim Pharr > > > Woodstock, GA - USA > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > > > donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > > > To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > > > I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling > > > us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around > > > his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. > > > Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my > > > father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic > > > German). > > > > > > I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one > > with > > > a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with > > a > > > need to dig and find out more. > > > > > > With kind regards, > > > > > > Tina Michel, > > > Montreal > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > > > To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > > > > > > >I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. > > I > > > >am > > > > getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. > > So > > > > many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to > > most. I > > > > am > > > > not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > > > > I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived > > in > > > > DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their > > kids > > > > (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying > > > > enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had > > the > > > > foresight to ask or listen better. > > > > So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help > > let > > > > me > > > > know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > > > > Thanks so much for all info and help! > > > > Barb D. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: SusanM > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > > > > To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > > > > > I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It > > has > > > > been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. > > I'm > > > > not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say > > thanks > > > > to > > > > people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Linda, Some family books list the prior origins of the new settlers... also some of the church books. I love using the church books as I find more information there. I am not sure if these are available for Glogowatz. Rita Colorado and Jabuka > CC: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > From: ljaspersen@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 12:43:25 -0400 > To: schiwanore@msn.com > > Hi Rita, Their origins are listed in the Glogowatz FB back to the 1700's Information regarding country of birth then ends. Is it possible the early church books in Glogowatz would have origin information noted upon settlement there? Linda > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 12:32 PM, Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Linda, > > > > > > > > My family were all Catholic also. I found their origins by looking at the church books. The first marriage entry after relocating usually listed where the Groom and Bride were from. > > > > > > > > Rita > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >> From: ljaspersen@gmail.com > >> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 12:19:07 -0400 > >> To: schiwanore@msn.com > >> > >> Thank you, Rita - I never considered that. Since they're all Catholic, I made a possibly erroneous guess that they originated from somewhere in southern Germany. > >> Linda > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Apr 24, 2014, at 11:56 AM, Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> I know that part of my family came to the Banat from an area that was already in the Austro Hungarian Empire. Specifically from the Moravia, Hungarian, and Croatia regions. Since these people were traveling to an area within the same country, they did not need to register like those from Germany, for example. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Rita > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> From: evebrown@gmail.com > >>>> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 09:19:45 -0400 > >>>> To: ljaspersen@gmail.com > >>>> CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > >>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >>>> > >>>> Hello Linda, > >>>> > >>>> I don't know if this would be the case for your family or not, my father's > >>>> family also was not in the Stader books. I learned with time and help the > >>>> reason was because his family was brought in as Grenzers - border patrol. > >>>> My phrasing of this may be incorrect - I am by no means an expert and > >>>> please I someone knows the how and why of the Grenzers coming into the > >>>> Banat - please share here! > >>>> > >>>> Eve > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com>wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage > >>>>> postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying to > >>>>> catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about > >>>>> little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were > >>>>> too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to > >>>>> a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also > >>>>> regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of > >>>>> oral history before my grandparents died. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born > >>>>> in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, > >>>>> according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to > >>>>> Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my > >>>>> GGM) > >>>>> immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in > >>>>> 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, > >>>>> and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife > >>>>> and 4 remaining children. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > >>>>> Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > >>>>> went to the German > >>>>> club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust > >>>>> and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting > >>>>> overseas. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they > >>>>> called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from Austria-Hungary, > >>>>> never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick > >>>>> walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in > >>>>> the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > >>>>> Stadervolumes. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been > >>>>> a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, > >>>>> particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in the > >>>>> Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Thank You All, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Linda > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast > >>>>> .net> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a > >>>>> Schwowe. > >>>>>> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the > >>>>>> witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa > >>>>>> would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You > >>>>> are > >>>>>> in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research > >>>>>> quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after > >>>>>> those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and > >>>>>> knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have > >>>>> brick > >>>>>> walls, post it onto the mail list. > >>>>>> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the > >>>>>> entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know > >>>>> where > >>>>>> you are at in your search. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks for sharing, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jody McKim Pharr > >>>>>> Woodstock, GA - USA > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > >>>>>> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel > >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > >>>>>> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling > >>>>>> us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around > >>>>>> his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. > >>>>>> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my > >>>>>> father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic > >>>>>> German). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one > >>>>> with > >>>>>> a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with > >>>>> a > >>>>>> need to dig and find out more. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> With kind regards, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Tina Michel, > >>>>>> Montreal > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > >>>>>> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. > >>>>> I > >>>>>>> am > >>>>>>> getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. > >>>>> So > >>>>>>> many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to > >>>>> most. I > >>>>>>> am > >>>>>>> not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > >>>>>>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived > >>>>> in > >>>>>>> DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their > >>>>> kids > >>>>>>> (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying > >>>>>>> enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> foresight to ask or listen better. > >>>>>>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help > >>>>> let > >>>>>>> me > >>>>>>> know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > >>>>>>> Thanks so much for all info and help! > >>>>>>> Barb D. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>> From: SusanM > >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > >>>>>>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It > >>>>> has > >>>>>>> been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. > >>>>> I'm > >>>>>>> not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say > >>>>> thanks > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>> people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Susan M > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>>>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Syrmia Regional Coordinator > >>>> http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Maria, I have been to Serbia 4 times in the last 5 years. First visit was in 2009. Although we occasionally run into a slight off key remark, for the most part, the people have been wonderful. Just remember, some areas are still very poor and some villages are very sad looking. I would also recommend a translator. Rita Colorado and Jabuka > From: Maria.Moore@sas.com > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 17:22:34 +0000 > Subject: [DVHH] Visiting Serbia/Romania > > I've been reading the list for about a year now and learning so much. Just recently I got brave enough to ask for help with my search. I was shocked by the wealth of information I received. I went from very little and thinking I had unsurmountable road blocks, to lots of information to keep me busy for some time. I'm grateful for everyone who has shared information with me. > > Both my grandparents died while I was very young so I barely remember them. Older cousins either didn't care of had incorrect information. In fact one cousin was quite upset with me when I 'claimed' they came from Austria Hungary. Since Grandma always said they were German, they must have come from Germany! (The kittens being born in the barn analogy was terrific.) Depending on when the legal documents were filled out, my Grandfather claimed he came from Hungary, Yugoslavia, or Serbia. > > Now based on records, pictures, and stories, I am trying to piece together the past - just like all of you. Being able to connect with a piece of the past and bring it to life is often emotional. My grandparents came from Nagykikinda and Soltour with their ancestors living in Marienfeld and other surrounding villages. I would love to visit the area now in Serbia and Romania. Being able to walk the streets, visit the cemeteries where ancestors are buried and make that connection would be priceless. In 2008 we were in Budapest but were told that Americans visiting Serbia wouldn't be very welcome at that time. Does anyone know what the political climate is at this time? Our son, age 21, will be in Budapest this summer. He has expressed interest in seeing where his ancestors came from. But I wasn't sure if I should encourage him at this point or not. Of course I'll be jealous if he makes it there before I do! > > Thanks to all for sharing your memories and insight with the rest of us, > Maria > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Donauschwaben DP Camp site should read DVHH Displaced Persons’ Camps in Post War Europe Anne D.

Hello Helga, Your story is one of the most unique ones of the camp survivors and should have been published when you first told me about it. Please send it to me so it can be published. The refugee camp stories are on this site: DISPLACED PERSONS’ CAMPS IN POSTWAR EUROPE Anne DP Camp Coordinator

I also would be very interested in understanding this document better! :) Susan On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Helga Kiely <kandhkiely@rogers.com> wrote: > Hi Hans: > > Since there are other listers now that have requested the menu card that > you > sent to me a while ago, could you please interpret this for us and post > same. I don't quite understand it and am really interested. > > Thank you > > Helga Kiely > still have snow in Toronto! > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Linda, My family were all Catholic also. I found their origins by looking at the church books. The first marriage entry after relocating usually listed where the Groom and Bride were from. Rita > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > From: ljaspersen@gmail.com > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 12:19:07 -0400 > To: schiwanore@msn.com > > Thank you, Rita - I never considered that. Since they're all Catholic, I made a possibly erroneous guess that they originated from somewhere in southern Germany. > Linda > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 11:56 AM, Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com> wrote: > > > > I know that part of my family came to the Banat from an area that was already in the Austro Hungarian Empire. Specifically from the Moravia, Hungarian, and Croatia regions. Since these people were traveling to an area within the same country, they did not need to register like those from Germany, for example. > > > > > > > > Rita > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: evebrown@gmail.com > >> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 09:19:45 -0400 > >> To: ljaspersen@gmail.com > >> CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >> > >> Hello Linda, > >> > >> I don't know if this would be the case for your family or not, my father's > >> family also was not in the Stader books. I learned with time and help the > >> reason was because his family was brought in as Grenzers - border patrol. > >> My phrasing of this may be incorrect - I am by no means an expert and > >> please I someone knows the how and why of the Grenzers coming into the > >> Banat - please share here! > >> > >> Eve > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com>wrote: > >> > >>> Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage > >>> postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying to > >>> catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about > >>> little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were > >>> too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to > >>> a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also > >>> regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of > >>> oral history before my grandparents died. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born > >>> in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, > >>> according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to > >>> Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my > >>> GGM) > >>> immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in > >>> 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, > >>> and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife > >>> and 4 remaining children. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > >>> Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > >>> went to the German > >>> club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust > >>> and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting > >>> overseas. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they > >>> called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from Austria-Hungary, > >>> never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick > >>> walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in > >>> the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > >>> Stadervolumes. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been > >>> a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, > >>> particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in the > >>> Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > >>> > >>> > >>> Thank You All, > >>> > >>> > >>> Linda > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast > >>> .net> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a > >>> Schwowe. > >>>> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the > >>>> witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa > >>>> would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You > >>> are > >>>> in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research > >>>> quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after > >>>> those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and > >>>> knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > >>>> > >>>> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have > >>> brick > >>>> walls, post it onto the mail list. > >>>> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the > >>>> entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know > >>> where > >>>> you are at in your search. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for sharing, > >>>> > >>>> Jody McKim Pharr > >>>> Woodstock, GA - USA > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > >>>> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > >>>> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > >>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >>>> > >>>> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling > >>>> us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around > >>>> his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. > >>>> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my > >>>> father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic > >>>> German). > >>>> > >>>> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one > >>> with > >>>> a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with > >>> a > >>>> need to dig and find out more. > >>>> > >>>> With kind regards, > >>>> > >>>> Tina Michel, > >>>> Montreal > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > >>>> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. > >>> I > >>>>> am > >>>>> getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. > >>> So > >>>>> many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to > >>> most. I > >>>>> am > >>>>> not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > >>>>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived > >>> in > >>>>> DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their > >>> kids > >>>>> (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying > >>>>> enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had > >>> the > >>>>> foresight to ask or listen better. > >>>>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help > >>> let > >>>>> me > >>>>> know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > >>>>> Thanks so much for all info and help! > >>>>> Barb D. > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: SusanM > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > >>>>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > >>>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >>>>> > >>>>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It > >>> has > >>>>> been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. > >>> I'm > >>>>> not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say > >>> thanks > >>>>> to > >>>>> people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Susan M > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Syrmia Regional Coordinator > >> http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I guess I would like to continue the Sarma discussion a little bit longer. Mom kept asking me.... "Are they making Sarma in the winter or in the summer?" So, I had to ask her to explain that question to me. Since some of the villages had no electricity and no means of refrigeration, sour cabbage leaves were available only in the winter. In the summer, the preserved cabbage leave would start to cook and spoil. So, in the summer, they made Sarma with cooked fresh cabbage leaves and used a tomato based sauce. In the winter, they used the preserved cabbage leaves and sourkraut. To prepare the cabbage leaves for the winter, they would place them in a vat and used salt as a preservative. Mom says she preferred the tomato sauce version... that's why she always prepared it that way for us. Kinda makes sense to me now, These were things that were done in a small farming village in the far southern region of Banat near Belgrade. Villages with electricity or that were in cooler climates may have done things differently. Rita >From Colorado and Jabuka From: evebrown@gmail.com Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 14:48:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [DVHH] Paradeis Soss To: schiwanore@msn.com CC: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Rita, Your mom's version sounds like my mom's - mom rarely ever used sauerkraut although dad would have been okay with it. I know she always stayed away from adding vinegar to most of her dishes - if she wanted a little sour she'd add some "lee-man" - as mom says it, to the mix. She also cooked with a lot of sour cream. Eve On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com> wrote: Hi Eve, My morning talk with my mother today was about cabbage rolls. She also made them with tomato sause. She says she makes a thin roux . For the liquid she uses tomato past and water. She just covers the cabbage rolls with the liquid and bakes. I asked her about using sourkraut. She said that they never ate it like that at home like that. She says they always had a lot of homemade tomato paste in the pantry. Rita > From: evebrown@gmail.com > Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 09:14:23 -0400 > To: dreera@sympatico.ca > CC: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Paradeis Soss > > What was the liquid used for this roux Anne? Was it tomato juice by chance? > > Eve > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Anne Dreer <dreera@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > Hello Eve, > > In my family and the extended family we did not put (home made) tomato > > sauce in cabbage rolls. They were made with sauerkraut, when available even > > sauerkraut leaves from a whole head of sauerkraut cabbage. We made a roux > > with medium browned flour and stirred paprika (naturally) in to the roux > > before it was added to the cooked Sarma ( cabbage rolls). It was gently > > stirred in and brought to a boil for a few minutes. > > It is possible that other villages did it differently. For stuffed peppers > > (Paprich Sarma) we added Paradeis Soss. > > Anne > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

Monica, If you have some stories to submit from your parents’ stay in the refugee camp send them to me. They can be posted on our war refugee site. If you have pictures we will publish those, too. It is great that we can record these stories. They are part of our heritage. Anne

Hi Rita, In your comment, "...sour cabbage leaves were available only in the winter. In the summer, the preserved cabbage leaves would start to cook and spoil. So, in the summer, they made Sarma with cooked fresh cabbage leaves and used a tomato based sauce.." you bring up an interesting point that never occurred to me. I always wondered why my mother did not make sauerkraut sarma, although she was an excellent cook. The reason might have been that, because we lived in an apartment in the city, she did not have the room to make sauerkraut. She made the sarma with fresh cabbage leaves and lots of tomato sauce, for dunking with bread, cooked on top of the stove, not in the oven. I still make it that way - my family loves it. Rose

I know that part of my family came to the Banat from an area that was already in the Austro Hungarian Empire. Specifically from the Moravia, Hungarian, and Croatia regions. Since these people were traveling to an area within the same country, they did not need to register like those from Germany, for example. Rita > From: evebrown@gmail.com > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 09:19:45 -0400 > To: ljaspersen@gmail.com > CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > Hello Linda, > > I don't know if this would be the case for your family or not, my father's > family also was not in the Stader books. I learned with time and help the > reason was because his family was brought in as Grenzers - border patrol. > My phrasing of this may be incorrect - I am by no means an expert and > please I someone knows the how and why of the Grenzers coming into the > Banat - please share here! > > Eve > > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com>wrote: > > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage > > postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying to > > catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about > > little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were > > too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to > > a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also > > regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of > > oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born > > in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, > > according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to > > Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my > > GGM) > > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in > > 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, > > and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife > > and 4 remaining children. > > > > > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > > went to the German > > club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust > > and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting > > overseas. > > > > > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they > > called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from Austria-Hungary, > > never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick > > walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in > > the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > > Stadervolumes. > > > > > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been > > a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, > > particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in the > > Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > > > > Thank You All, > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast > > .net> wrote: > > > > > Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a > > Schwowe. > > > Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the > > > witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa > > > would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You > > are > > > in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research > > > quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after > > > those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and > > > knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > > > > > > This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have > > brick > > > walls, post it onto the mail list. > > > Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the > > > entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know > > where > > > you are at in your search. > > > > > > Thanks for sharing, > > > > > > Jody McKim Pharr > > > Woodstock, GA - USA > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > > > donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > > > To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > > > I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling > > > us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around > > > his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. > > > Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my > > > father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic > > > German). > > > > > > I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one > > with > > > a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with > > a > > > need to dig and find out more. > > > > > > With kind regards, > > > > > > Tina Michel, > > > Montreal > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > > > To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > > > > > > >I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. > > I > > > >am > > > > getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. > > So > > > > many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to > > most. I > > > > am > > > > not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > > > > I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived > > in > > > > DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their > > kids > > > > (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying > > > > enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had > > the > > > > foresight to ask or listen better. > > > > So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help > > let > > > > me > > > > know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > > > > Thanks so much for all info and help! > > > > Barb D. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: SusanM > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > > > > To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > > > > > I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It > > has > > > > been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. > > I'm > > > > not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say > > thanks > > > > to > > > > people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My parents and both my maternal (Michera) and paternal (Heiberger) grandparents were at the Haid refugee camp (Lager Haid) and more family as well-- they used to hold reunions (Treffen) and they published books from those reunions. my parents went a few times and we have those books. My mother always told me that everyone had lost everything and were poor as church mice but they were happy. They eventually got work, the food got better and they started to think about the future. My mother also said how much the church and faith played in the survival. My father was in the band. When you lose everything the only thing you could do is start over. I went back to vist family that live in Haid still today and walk the grounds of the Lager, it was quite emotional. I'm sure the other families there had the same stories. -----Original Message----- From: Anne Dreer <dreera@sympatico.ca> To: donauschwaben-villages <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Apr 23, 2014 10:53 pm Subject: [DVHH] Refugee Camp Hello Lotte, o you think you could submit a story of your parents’ stay in the refugee camp aid in Austria? It could be published on our DS refugee camp Site. We could lso post some pictures. nne Dreer ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Hello Linda, I don't know if this would be the case for your family or not, my father's family also was not in the Stader books. I learned with time and help the reason was because his family was brought in as Grenzers - border patrol. My phrasing of this may be incorrect - I am by no means an expert and please I someone knows the how and why of the Grenzers coming into the Banat - please share here! Eve On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com>wrote: > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage > postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying to > catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about > little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were > too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to > a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also > regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of > oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born > in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, > according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to > Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my > GGM) > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in > 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, > and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife > and 4 remaining children. > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > went to the German > club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust > and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting > overseas. > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they > called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from Austria-Hungary, > never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick > walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in > the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > Stadervolumes. > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been > a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, > particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in the > Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > Thank You All, > > > Linda > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast > .net> wrote: > > > Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a > Schwowe. > > Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the > > witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa > > would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You > are > > in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research > > quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after > > those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and > > knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > > > > This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have > brick > > walls, post it onto the mail list. > > Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the > > entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know > where > > you are at in your search. > > > > Thanks for sharing, > > > > Jody McKim Pharr > > Woodstock, GA - USA > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > > donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > > To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling > > us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around > > his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. > > Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my > > father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic > > German). > > > > I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one > with > > a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with > a > > need to dig and find out more. > > > > With kind regards, > > > > Tina Michel, > > Montreal > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > > To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > > > >I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. > I > > >am > > > getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. > So > > > many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to > most. I > > > am > > > not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > > > I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived > in > > > DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their > kids > > > (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying > > > enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had > the > > > foresight to ask or listen better. > > > So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help > let > > > me > > > know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > > > Thanks so much for all info and help! > > > Barb D. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: SusanM > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > > > To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > > > I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It > has > > > been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. > I'm > > > not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say > thanks > > > to > > > people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > > > > > > > > > Susan M > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

Rose, Thanks for clarifying that, sometimes it is very easy to become confused with the details of those times - especially hearing the stories from our parents and trying to make sense out of something we were too young to yet understand. It was after starting my journey and recording things my parents were talking about I was able to make sense of so many misconceptions, that all of us kids had misunderstood from the stories. The biggest for us was that all of us kids thought our father had been in a Russian prison during that time period he was missing between 44 and 45. It took me asking how he escaped to find out that he was in "hiding" from the Russians so he didn't end up in a prison camp. I had thought it odd he made it out alive from what I had gathered from DVHH stories that brought out the truth. A combination of my mother's language skills and our ages when told it originally. By chance do you know (or anyone on the list) if the Kingdom of Hungary part after 41 also took place in Syrmia (Srem)? Eve On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Helga Kiely <kandhkiely@rogers.com> wrote: > Sorry Rose, I thought that it was called Austria Hungary but perhaps you > are > correct in saying it was called the Kingdom of Hungary. I always thought > they were one and the same. > > My mother said at that time, all radio programmes were blocked out and they > didn't know what was happening in the rest of the world. They only thing > they ever heard was Hitler's speeches. > > I had no idea that the language and currency reverted to Hungarian. I do > know that the streets changed names once again. I think our street changed > names at least four times. In the last change it was Serbian. Walking > through the village a few years ago, I noticed a few of the streets still > bore names in honour of the > Russia. One street was still called "Lenin". > > Helga > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rose Vetter" <rosevetter@gmail.com> > To: "DVHH-L" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 12:40 AM > Subject: [DVHH] World War II recapture of former Hungarian Territories > > > > Hello Helga, > > > > I would like to comment on your statement: "I was born in Austria Hungary > > when it was regained by Germany..." > > > > The changing of the map of Hungary has been, and still is, mind boggling. > > As > > Anne Dreer stated, the Austro-Hungarian Empire ceased to be subsequent to > > the Treaty of Trianon, when the re-drawing of the borders by the Allied > > Powers resulted in Hungary's devastating loss of more than two thirds of > > its territories. After joining the Axis Powers and taking part in the > > invasion of Yugoslavia In 1941, Hungary reclaimed some of those lost > > territories. As a child I still remember the radical changes in the > > Batschka - the currency, city/village/street names, official language, > > etc. > > were changed overnight from Serbian to Hungarian. > > > > If you were born during that period prior to 1944, you were born in what > > was once again the Kingdom of Hungary - albeit for a short period - but > > not > > in Austria-Hungary. After 1944, Hungary's borders reverted to its > > post-Trianon status, and the Batschka was once again part of Yugoslavia, > > now Serbia. > > > > Rose Vetter > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

There was no Austro-Hungarian empire or Austro-Hungary after the end of WWI (~1919). During WWII, after the defeat of Yugoslavia by the Germans in 1941, the Batschka and Lower Baranya were returned to Hungary. For more details see the WWII section of http://www.dvhh.org/history/1700s/DS-history~tullius.htm After WWII the pre-war ("Trianon") borders were re-established. Nick Tullius -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Dreer Sent: 23-Apr-14 22:00 To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] Austro Hungarian Empire The Austro-Hungarian empire was dissolved at the end of World War II in 1918. Serbia and Croatia and some of the other nearby states became the country Yugoslavia. Google Yugoslavia for more information. Anne D. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Linda In the Tschestereg family book there is the following Horvath, Stefan parents - Horvath,Andreas & Nagy, Katharina * (1872) Banater Hof (Ittvarnok) 29 m. 30.10.1898 St. Georgen; 26L/16L Tz: Danyanov, Stephanus & Joszt, Micheal Braun, Maria parents - Braun, Peter & Penkov, Maria * 06.02.1882 Ittvarnoker Weingarten 1. Kinder in Ittvarnok Hope this helps Terry Schira > Message: 13 > Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 22:02:38 -0400 > From: "Linda Bautz McKenna" <famline@embarqmail.com> > Subject: [DVHH] Roll Call Horvat Horwat var. Franzwa Petroschek > To: "dvhh" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <53B0EEC031A3467B898ADDD891C54CDE@DELL4700> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Brick Walls: > # 1 > HORWATH HORVATH HORVAT > > Stefan... birth date and place unknown > > married > PAUTZ, Aloisia her 2nd marriage > > daughter of Stefan and Aloisia HORVATH > > Sofia b. 2 April 1924 Kowatschi. no other info on her. > > > > (Aloisia Pautz b 1 Oct 1882 Kowatschi to Friedirch PAUTZ and Emilia KIRSCHNER) and died 29 Sept 1956 in Kowatschi; married FRANZWA, Nikolaus 27 Jan 1907) > > > FRANZWA Nikolaus 15 May 1882 Kowatschi d. 2 March 1966 Kowatschi (son of Alois from Tschene & Hubertt, Anna from St. Andreas) > > Family story had Aloisia married to a man who went to war and was missing for 7 years. Presumed dead, she remarried Stefan Horvath and they had child Sofia b. 2 April 1924 in Kowatschi. > > 1924 - 7 = 1917 World War 1 time frame > > FRANZWA returns and I find Aloisia and Nikolaus Franzwa living at 165 Altgasse, Kowatschi in the 1945 population record. > > No information on them between these dates What happened to her daughter Sofia Horvath??? Stefan Horvath??? Any info / hints appreciated > Linda Bautz McKenna

Linda: It is possible your family came from Alsace-Lorraine France where so many German speaking people lived and migrated to the Banat. I thought my family came from Germany too because, like yours, they always said they were German from Austria-Hungary. Well, they were German and, once they moved to the Banat, they were Austro-Hungarians but before that, probably back in the late 1600's or throughout the 1700 and 1800's they may have lived in France. It was quite a revelation to me. Interestingly, my family had relatives in Buffalo and Tonawanda too! Their family names were Bishop and Stetzer and, unfortunately I haven't been able to find out much about them. I remember them visiting us in Mansfield, Ohio (my home town) but we never went to New York to see them. So many mysteries to uncover! Best of luck in your research! John F. Schambre San Francisco, CA On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> wrote: > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage > postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying to > catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about > little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were > too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to > a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also > regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of > oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born > in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, > according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to > Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my GGM) > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in > 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, > and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife > and 4 remaining children. > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > went to the German > club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust > and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting > overseas. > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they > called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from Austria-Hungary, > never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick > walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in > the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > Stadervolumes. > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been > a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, > particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in the > Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > Thank You All, > > > Linda > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast > .net> wrote: > >> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a Schwowe. >> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the >> witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa >> would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You are >> in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research >> quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after >> those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and >> knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. >> >> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have brick >> walls, post it onto the mail list. >> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the >> entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know where >> you are at in your search. >> >> Thanks for sharing, >> >> Jody McKim Pharr >> Woodstock, GA - USA >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: >> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM >> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >> >> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling >> us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around >> his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. >> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my >> father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic >> German). >> >> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one with >> a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with a >> need to dig and find out more. >> >> With kind regards, >> >> Tina Michel, >> Montreal >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> >> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >> >> >>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. I >>> am >>> getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. So >>> many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to most. I >>> am >>> not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. >>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived in >>> DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their kids >>> (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying >>> enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had the >>> foresight to ask or listen better. >>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help let >>> me >>> know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. >>> Thanks so much for all info and help! >>> Barb D. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: SusanM >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM >>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>> >>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It has >>> been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. I'm >>> not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say thanks >>> to >>> people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. >>> >>> >>> Susan M >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Alice I am going to send you off list an attachment with - Titz/Reichrath and Augenstein from the Hatzfeld cd. Terry Schira > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alice Gentry" <alice@gentry.net> > To: "donauschwaben-villages" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 11:35 PM > Subject: [DVHH] ROLL CALL 2014 Dietz/Ditz/Titz, Mausz, Reichrath, Augenstein > (mostly from Jimbolia/Hatzfeld) > > Name Village > > DIETZ/TITZ/DITZ Hatzfeld > > AUGENSTEIN Hatzfeld > > MAUSZ Hatzfeld (probably) > > REICHRATH Hatzfeld (probably) > > > > My maternal grandmother, *Theresia Hedwig Dietz *(also spelled as Ditz > > and Titz), immigrated from Hatzfeld in 1904 to Cincinnati to join her > > sister, Genoveva, who had married in Hungary and also immigrated to > > Cincinnati.