Hello Rainer, It is great that you can remember visiting the displaced persons’ refugee camp. When you were older, did your grandparents ever talk to you about what it was like when they first arrived there. Most families only had a few household items, some with only the clothes on their backs. Were your parents in a camp, too? If they are still alive perhaps you could ask them and submit their story. What we are trying to preserve on the DP camp site are the memories of the peoples’ lives in the camps. It is to give future generation an idea of their ancestors’ poverty, hunger and homelessness in a foreign county. Anne

I suddenly remembered a little story I would like to share. My parents immigrated to Australia in 1949 (aged 28) . They lived in Woodside, the immigration centre in the beautiful Adelaide hills for many years and then bought a house in the western suburbs. When my mum was in her 50's, she was sitting at a bus stop in the city. A woman approached and sat next to my mother. They both said hello to each other although they did not know one another. The woman said to my mother that she looked very familiar. They started to talk and quickly discovered that they were born and grew up in the same village in Yugoslavia. How bizarre, that they lived through the war, were at different DP camps, different immigration centres and lived in different districts but managed to sit at the same bus stop, at exactly the same time and EVEN recognise each other. Of course the friendship continued. Gaby Sent from my iPad > On 24 Apr 2014, at 8:43 am, "Jody McKim Pharr" <jodymckimpharr@comcast.net> wrote: > > Dear Lotte, > > Thank you for sharing some of the details of your life. I'd like to point > you to the DVHH "Displaced Persons Camps" section, whereby you could submit > your family's story of being in Haid and any photos they may have taken > while there. > SEE: http://www.dvhh.org/history/ds_camps/index.htm > > Jody McKim Pharr > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lotte > Devlin > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 4:17 PM > To: monicaellis621@aol.com; terryb@tcn.net; > donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Strudel > > > I also have a strange (to me) story. We immigrated when I was 2 from an > Austrian DP camp in Haid. Growing up there was a big DS community in > Philadelphia, so we went to German school and German singing school on > Saturdays, and "Tanzgruppe" on Tuesdays. > So I learned all the old German folk songs. Though my mother was also a > Donauschwaebin, her dialect was more Austrian than Schwowisch, so we spoke > her dialect of German at home. I could understand Schwowisch, but speak it. > > > The summer between my sophomore and junior year in college I spent the > summer studying German in Iserlohn Germany at the Goetheinstitut. In my > class, there were "Volksdeutsche" from Russia, Poland, Argentina, > Czechoslovakia, etc. One night we had a cookout and we started singing > these old songs, which all the Volksdeutsche knew perfectly. My German > teacher (a "German" German) asked me where I learned all of these songs, and > so perfectly. I proudly said that I'd learned them in singing school. He > said, "you know, no one sings these songs in Germany any more today. You > need to be careful where you sing them!" I was crushed! > > But I still sing them whenever I clean house, as we did at home growing up. > My children even know some of them. I believe that the gift of heritage is > a gift we owe our offspring! > > Lotte > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My grandfather AntonTreis,was from Hatzfeld,Zsombolya, near Temeswar. My granddmother Elizabeth Korb, was born in Moritzfeld. I copied this from somewhere: TREIS ~ TREECE ~ TRICE trice English (Kent). perhaps a variant of Treece. Altered spelling of German Treis, a topographical name for someone who lived by, or owned an uncultivated piece of land used as pasture, from middle-low German "dreisch" 'fallow land', or a habitational name from a place named with this word (in Hessian dialect - treis), in Hesse or on the Mosel River. Alternately, in some instances it may be from a short form of the personal name Andreas (see Andrew). See Castle Treis ruin in Treis, a village on page "Mosel Islands". ------------------------------ On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 9:59 AM EDT Eric wrote: >Hi Roger, > >Do you know which town in the Banat your Tries/Treis ancestors came from?  If they are from Traunau or a neighbouring town, I might have some information that would be helpful to you.  I don't have any ancestors named Tries myself, but my grandfather's uncle was Peter Triess (1867-1948) of Traunau, and a cousin sent me his own family tree 25 years ago, and it shows many of his Triess ancestors back to Erasmus Dries (born ca.1750 in Sausenheim, Germany). > >Eric Ruppert > > >________________________________ > From: ROGER WARD <hummrhaven@verizon.net> >To: danielhilaire@hotmail.com; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 3:21:12 PM >Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > >As little research I have done on the Treis/Tries family, the first clue I saw was on maps showing a twin city in the Lorraine area called Treis-Karden! >That part of my family migrated from the Banat to Buffalo, NY, into the Black Rock German section of that city, in 1907. So how, I wonder, did that last name come about? Were they related to the people who founded that town around the Moselle region? I should not jump to that until I begin to trace down more immediate ancestors, and the immigration info is all I have to start with. As so many ethnic Germans did, my mother and her siblings were proud Americans, speaking only German in my grandparent's home. >  Yet the name being Treis seems to be such a clue to their origin! > > > >------------------------------ >On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 1:16 PM EDT Daniel HILAIRE wrote: > >John, >Most of people coming from Alsace-Lorraine (in fact, Lorraine), didn't speak german when they arrived in Banat; they were speaking only french and same for their children; but, as the local administration, the army, sometimes the boys or the girls they married, were speaking german, they had to speak german and finally they lost their french language; so, 120-130 years after, when they arrived to US, they were speaking only german until... 120 years after, their descendants speak english and very few are able to speak german!Another point : Lorraine was not a part of France until 1766Last point : Germany, as a state, didn't exist before 1871; to obtain this, Bismark had to fight against Austria in 1866 (and again the french in 1870). So, there was no "german from Austria-Hungary". >But, as another member of the group explained very well a couple of days ago, it's too difficult for a Banater Schwaben to explain who he is really; so, let's people from Lorraine, speaking french, become... German from Austria. >Hope you'll pardon me for these points. >Bonne journée >Daniel Hilaire, Bordeaux > > > > From: jfschambre@comcast.net > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 08:53:15 -0700 > To: ljaspersen@gmail.com > CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > Linda:  It is possible your family came from Alsace-Lorraine France where so many German speaking people lived and migrated to the Banat.  I thought my family came from Germany too because, like yours, they always said they were German from Austria-Hungary.  Well, they were German and, once they moved to the Banat, they were Austro-Hungarians but before that, probably back in the late 1600's or throughout the 1700 and 1800's they may have lived in France.  It was quite a revelation to me. > > Interestingly, my family had relatives in Buffalo and Tonawanda too!  Their family names were Bishop and Stetzer and, unfortunately I haven't been able to find out much about them.  I remember them visiting us in Mansfield, Ohio (my home town) but we never went to New York to see them.  So many mysteries to uncover! > > Best of luck in your research! > > John F. Schambre > San Francisco, CA > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage > > postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying to > > catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about > > little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were > > too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to > > a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also > > regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of > > oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born > > in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, > > according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to > > Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my GGM) > > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in > > 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, > > and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife > > and 4 remaining children. > > > > > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > > went to the German > > club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust > > and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting > > overseas. > > > > > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they > > called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from Austria-Hungary, > > never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick > > walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in > > the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > > Stadervolumes. > > > > > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been > > a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, > > particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in the > > Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > > > > Thank You All, > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast > > .net> wrote: > > > > Tina,  -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a Schwowe. > > Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the > > witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything.  Papa > > would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You are > > in America now!".  It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research > > quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after > > those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and > > knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > > > > This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have brick > > walls, post it onto the mail list. > > Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the > > entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know where > > you are at in your search. > > > > Thanks for sharing, > > > > Jody McKim Pharr > > Woodstock, GA - USA > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > > donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > > To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > I have the same feeling as you Barb.  Although my father kept on telling > > us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around > > his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. > > Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my > > father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic > > German). > > > > I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one with > > a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with a > > need to dig and find out more. > > > > With kind regards, > > > > Tina Michel, > > Montreal > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > > To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > > > I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. I > > am > > getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. So > > many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to most. I > > am > > not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > > I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived in > > DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their kids > > (sometimes with their old country friends)  or maybe we weren't paying > > enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had  had the > > foresight  to ask or listen better. > > So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help let > > me > > know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > > Thanks so much for all info and help! > > Barb D. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: SusanM > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > > To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It has > > been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. I'm > > not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say thanks > > to > > people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > > > > > > Susan M > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >                         > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My mother always said her father was a mounted policeman, so would would this be like the Grenzers? In Buffalo, NY, he and several of the kids worked in livery related jobs, one driving a brewery wagon, one a blacksmith. ------------------------------ On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 12:35 PM EDT Jody McKim Pharr wrote: >You are absolutely right Rita. My mail line Ancestor was in the military >from Rojau, Bohemia. He is not registered in Ulm either. I researched this >some years ago and learned that anyone who was already living in the Empire >was already a citizen. Too bad I can't find his actual military record, or >even why his military group went to Banat in the late 1700's. > >Jody > > >-----Original Message----- >From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rita >Schiwanowitsch >Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 11:56 AM >To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >I know that part of my family came to the Banat from an area that was >already in the Austro Hungarian Empire. Specifically from the Moravia, >Hungarian, and Croatia regions. Since these people were traveling to an >area within the same country, they did not need to register like those from >Germany, for example. > > > >Rita > > > > > > From: evebrown@gmail.com > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 09:19:45 -0400 > To: ljaspersen@gmail.com > CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > Hello Linda, > > I don't know if this would be the case for your family or not, my > father's family also was not in the Stader books. I learned with time > and help the reason was because his family was brought in as Grenzers - >border patrol. > My phrasing of this may be incorrect - I am by no means an expert and > please I someone knows the how and why of the Grenzers coming into the > Banat - please share here! > > Eve > > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen ><ljaspersen@gmail.com>wrote: > > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The > > heritage postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them > > all - trying to catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments > > about little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. > > Perhaps they were too busy struggling to support their families, > > learn English, and adapt to a radically new life in their adopted > > country. And in my case... I also regret not asking the questions > > that might have triggered more sharing of oral history before my >grandparents died. > > > > > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were > > born in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to > > the 1700's, according to Erwin Kilzheimer's wonderful Familienbuch. > > My GF immigrant to Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; > > his widowed mother (my > > GGM) > > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, > > in 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 > > & 1910, and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to > > accompany his wife and 4 remaining children. > > > > > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > > went to the German club but that it closed during WWII and never > > reopened. There was distrust and fear at the time; many of the > > neighbors' sons were soldiers fighting overseas. > > > > > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about "the old country" as > > they called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from > > Austria-Hungary, never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. > > One of my huge brick walls is trying to learn where in Germany my > > ancestors emigrated from in the 1700's. Unfortunately, I haven't > > been able to find them in the Stadervolumes. > > > > > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site > > have been a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something > > new to learn, particularly from listers with family memories of what > > life was like in the Banat for both the people who stayed and those who >emigrated. > > > > > > Thank You All, > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr > > <jodymckimpharr@comcast .net> wrote: > > > > > Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a > > Schwowe. > > > Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were > > > in the witness protection program. They would barely talk about > > > anything. Papa would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) > > > to speak English "You > > are > > > in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family > > > research quest. It wasn't easy figuring out all the answers to my > > > questions after those who had the answers had passed away. Because > > > of our wonderful and knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in >place. > > > > > > This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you > > > have > > brick > > > walls, post it onto the mail list. > > > Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to > > > the entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help > > > can know > > where > > > you are at in your search. > > > > > > Thanks for sharing, > > > > > > Jody McKim Pharr > > > Woodstock, GA - USA > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > > > donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina > > > Michel > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > > > To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > > > I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on > > > telling us about the good eating and all the things that were done > > > in and around his village, I took everything for granted instead of >asking why and how. > > > Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked > > > my father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch > > > (Academic German). > > > > > > I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only > > > one > > with > > > a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure > > > enough with > > a > > > need to dig and find out more. > > > > > > With kind regards, > > > > > > Tina Michel, > > > Montreal > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > > > To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; > > > <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > > > > > > >I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps >up. > > I > > > >am > > > > getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and >died. > > So > > > > many question to go and I will probably never have the answers > > > > to > > most. I > > > > am > > > > not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > > > > I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who > > > > lived > > in > > > > DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to > > > > their > > kids > > > > (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't > > > > paying enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I > > > > wish I had had > > the > > > > foresight to ask or listen better. > > > > So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to > > > > help > > let > > > > me > > > > know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > > > > Thanks so much for all info and help! > > > > Barb D. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: SusanM > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > > > > To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > > > > > I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this > > > > discussion. It > > has > > > > been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the >archives. > > I'm > > > > not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to > > > > say > > thanks > > > > to > > > > people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word >'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As little research I have done on the Treis/Tries family, the first clue I saw was on maps showing a twin city in the Lorraine area called Treis-Karden! That part of my family migrated from the Banat to Buffalo, NY, into the Black Rock German section of that city, in 1907. So how, I wonder, did that last name come about? Were they related to the people who founded that town around the Moselle region? I should not jump to that until I begin to trace down more immediate ancestors, and the immigration info is all I have to start with. As so many ethnic Germans did, my mother and her siblings were proud Americans, speaking only German in my grandparent's home. Yet the name being Treis seems to be such a clue to their origin! ------------------------------ On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 1:16 PM EDT Daniel HILAIRE wrote: >John, >Most of people coming from Alsace-Lorraine (in fact, Lorraine), didn't speak german when they arrived in Banat; they were speaking only french and same for their children; but, as the local administration, the army, sometimes the boys or the girls they married, were speaking german, they had to speak german and finally they lost their french language; so, 120-130 years after, when they arrived to US, they were speaking only german until... 120 years after, their descendants speak english and very few are able to speak german!Another point : Lorraine was not a part of France until 1766Last point : Germany, as a state, didn't exist before 1871; to obtain this, Bismark had to fight against Austria in 1866 (and again the french in 1870). So, there was no "german from Austria-Hungary". >But, as another member of the group explained very well a couple of days ago, it's too difficult for a Banater Schwaben to explain who he is really; so, let's people from Lorraine, speaking french, become... German from Austria. >Hope you'll pardon me for these points. >Bonne journée >Daniel Hilaire, Bordeaux > > > > From: jfschambre@comcast.net > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 08:53:15 -0700 > To: ljaspersen@gmail.com > CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > Linda: It is possible your family came from Alsace-Lorraine France where so many German speaking people lived and migrated to the Banat. I thought my family came from Germany too because, like yours, they always said they were German from Austria-Hungary. Well, they were German and, once they moved to the Banat, they were Austro-Hungarians but before that, probably back in the late 1600's or throughout the 1700 and 1800's they may have lived in France. It was quite a revelation to me. > > Interestingly, my family had relatives in Buffalo and Tonawanda too! Their family names were Bishop and Stetzer and, unfortunately I haven't been able to find out much about them. I remember them visiting us in Mansfield, Ohio (my home town) but we never went to New York to see them. So many mysteries to uncover! > > Best of luck in your research! > > John F. Schambre > San Francisco, CA > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage > > postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying to > > catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about > > little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were > > too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to > > a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also > > regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of > > oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born > > in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, > > according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to > > Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my GGM) > > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in > > 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, > > and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife > > and 4 remaining children. > > > > > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > > went to the German > > club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust > > and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting > > overseas. > > > > > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they > > called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from Austria-Hungary, > > never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick > > walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in > > the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > > Stadervolumes. > > > > > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been > > a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, > > particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in the > > Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > > > > Thank You All, > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast > > .net> wrote: > > > > Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a Schwowe. > > Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the > > witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa > > would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You are > > in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research > > quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after > > those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and > > knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > > > > This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have brick > > walls, post it onto the mail list. > > Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the > > entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know where > > you are at in your search. > > > > Thanks for sharing, > > > > Jody McKim Pharr > > Woodstock, GA - USA > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > > donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > > To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling > > us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around > > his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. > > Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my > > father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic > > German). > > > > I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one with > > a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with a > > need to dig and find out more. > > > > With kind regards, > > > > Tina Michel, > > Montreal > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > > To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > > > I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. I > > am > > getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. So > > many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to most. I > > am > > not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > > I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived in > > DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their kids > > (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying > > enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had the > > foresight to ask or listen better. > > So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help let > > me > > know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > > Thanks so much for all info and help! > > Barb D. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: SusanM > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > > To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It has > > been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. I'm > > not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say thanks > > to > > people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > > > > > > Susan M > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nice story, Nick. I can almost picture the get- together scenes ‘back home’. Every neighbour was a Vettr, young people walking in the streets, happily singing. I’m sure often sitting on a bench ‘uff dr Gass’ as we did when I was a little six year old. Thanks for the memories, Anne Dreer

Hello Michele, Here is the URL for the DP (refugee) Camps http://www.dvhh.org/history/ds_camps/ Anne D.

I am pleased to announce a new publication by Nick Tullius. The Banater Post published two of his short stories written in the schwowisch dialect about his Banat home village of Schandrhaas. A reminder of days gone by but still close at heart. Even if your roots are from a different settlement region, I recommend reading all the stories published at DVHH. Article can be found under News & Additions at the Banat homepage: http://www.dvhh.org/banat/ "My Mother tongue - OUR PEOPLE WRITE SCHWOWISCH - MEMORIES OF MY YOUTH IN THE BANAT": Exams in Temeswar & Village Music in the Homeland by Nick Tullius. Enjoy, I did. Thank you Nick! Jody McKim Pharr Woodstock, GA

2 years ago, I visited Nitzkydorf, a small village roughly 20 mins SW of Timisoara, Romania where my grandparents came from (Dassinger and Krauter). It was an amazing experience, just wandering around the village and the cemetery. The locals just stared at me, but I certainly never felt threatened in any way whatsoever. I hired a translator who spoke German and we met one of the few (9!) Germans left in the village, who opened up the Catholic church so I could check it out. As Rita says, though, the villages are actually in worse shape now since virtually all the Donauschwaben have left. It's literally like stepping into a time warp. I highly recommend it - it's an experience you will never forget. -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rita Schiwanowitsch Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 1:52 PM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Visiting Serbia/Romania Hi Maria, I have been to Serbia 4 times in the last 5 years. First visit was in 2009. Although we occasionally run into a slight off key remark, for the most part, the people have been wonderful. Just remember, some areas are still very poor and some villages are very sad looking. I would also recommend a translator. Rita Colorado and Jabuka > From: Maria.Moore@sas.com > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 17:22:34 +0000 > Subject: [DVHH] Visiting Serbia/Romania > > I've been reading the list for about a year now and learning so much. Just recently I got brave enough to ask for help with my search. I was shocked by the wealth of information I received. I went from very little and thinking I had unsurmountable road blocks, to lots of information to keep me busy for some time. I'm grateful for everyone who has shared information with me. > > Both my grandparents died while I was very young so I barely remember them. Older cousins either didn't care of had incorrect information. In fact one cousin was quite upset with me when I 'claimed' they came from Austria Hungary. Since Grandma always said they were German, they must have come from Germany! (The kittens being born in the barn analogy was terrific.) Depending on when the legal documents were filled out, my Grandfather claimed he came from Hungary, Yugoslavia, or Serbia. > > Now based on records, pictures, and stories, I am trying to piece together the past - just like all of you. Being able to connect with a piece of the past and bring it to life is often emotional. My grandparents came from Nagykikinda and Soltour with their ancestors living in Marienfeld and other surrounding villages. I would love to visit the area now in Serbia and Romania. Being able to walk the streets, visit the cemeteries where ancestors are buried and make that connection would be priceless. In 2008 we were in Budapest but were told that Americans visiting Serbia wouldn't be very welcome at that time. Does anyone know what the political climate is at this time? Our son, age 21, will be in Budapest this summer. He has expressed interest in seeing where his ancestors came from. But I wasn't sure if I should encourage him at this point or not. Of course I'll be jealous if he makes it there before I do! > > Thanks to all for sharing your memories and insight with the rest of > us, Maria > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've been reading the list for about a year now and learning so much. Just recently I got brave enough to ask for help with my search. I was shocked by the wealth of information I received. I went from very little and thinking I had unsurmountable road blocks, to lots of information to keep me busy for some time. I'm grateful for everyone who has shared information with me. Both my grandparents died while I was very young so I barely remember them. Older cousins either didn't care of had incorrect information. In fact one cousin was quite upset with me when I 'claimed' they came from Austria Hungary. Since Grandma always said they were German, they must have come from Germany! (The kittens being born in the barn analogy was terrific.) Depending on when the legal documents were filled out, my Grandfather claimed he came from Hungary, Yugoslavia, or Serbia. Now based on records, pictures, and stories, I am trying to piece together the past - just like all of you. Being able to connect with a piece of the past and bring it to life is often emotional. My grandparents came from Nagykikinda and Soltour with their ancestors living in Marienfeld and other surrounding villages. I would love to visit the area now in Serbia and Romania. Being able to walk the streets, visit the cemeteries where ancestors are buried and make that connection would be priceless. In 2008 we were in Budapest but were told that Americans visiting Serbia wouldn't be very welcome at that time. Does anyone know what the political climate is at this time? Our son, age 21, will be in Budapest this summer. He has expressed interest in seeing where his ancestors came from. But I wasn't sure if I should encourage him at this point or not. Of course I'll be jealous if he makes it there before I do! Thanks to all for sharing your memories and insight with the rest of us, Maria

John, Most of people coming from Alsace-Lorraine (in fact, Lorraine), didn't speak german when they arrived in Banat; they were speaking only french and same for their children; but, as the local administration, the army, sometimes the boys or the girls they married, were speaking german, they had to speak german and finally they lost their french language; so, 120-130 years after, when they arrived to US, they were speaking only german until... 120 years after, their descendants speak english and very few are able to speak german!Another point : Lorraine was not a part of France until 1766Last point : Germany, as a state, didn't exist before 1871; to obtain this, Bismark had to fight against Austria in 1866 (and again the french in 1870). So, there was no "german from Austria-Hungary". But, as another member of the group explained very well a couple of days ago, it's too difficult for a Banater Schwaben to explain who he is really; so, let's people from Lorraine, speaking french, become... German from Austria. Hope you'll pardon me for these points. Bonne journée Daniel Hilaire, Bordeaux > From: jfschambre@comcast.net > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 08:53:15 -0700 > To: ljaspersen@gmail.com > CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > Linda: It is possible your family came from Alsace-Lorraine France where so many German speaking people lived and migrated to the Banat. I thought my family came from Germany too because, like yours, they always said they were German from Austria-Hungary. Well, they were German and, once they moved to the Banat, they were Austro-Hungarians but before that, probably back in the late 1600's or throughout the 1700 and 1800's they may have lived in France. It was quite a revelation to me. > > Interestingly, my family had relatives in Buffalo and Tonawanda too! Their family names were Bishop and Stetzer and, unfortunately I haven't been able to find out much about them. I remember them visiting us in Mansfield, Ohio (my home town) but we never went to New York to see them. So many mysteries to uncover! > > Best of luck in your research! > > John F. Schambre > San Francisco, CA > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage > > postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying to > > catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about > > little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were > > too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to > > a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also > > regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of > > oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born > > in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, > > according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to > > Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my GGM) > > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in > > 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, > > and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife > > and 4 remaining children. > > > > > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > > went to the German > > club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust > > and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting > > overseas. > > > > > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they > > called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from Austria-Hungary, > > never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick > > walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in > > the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > > Stadervolumes. > > > > > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been > > a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, > > particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in the > > Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > > > > Thank You All, > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast > > .net> wrote: > > > >> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a Schwowe. > >> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the > >> witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa > >> would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You are > >> in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research > >> quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after > >> those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and > >> knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > >> > >> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have brick > >> walls, post it onto the mail list. > >> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the > >> entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know where > >> you are at in your search. > >> > >> Thanks for sharing, > >> > >> Jody McKim Pharr > >> Woodstock, GA - USA > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > >> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > >> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >> > >> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling > >> us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around > >> his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. > >> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my > >> father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic > >> German). > >> > >> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one with > >> a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with a > >> need to dig and find out more. > >> > >> With kind regards, > >> > >> Tina Michel, > >> Montreal > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > >> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >> > >> > >>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. I > >>> am > >>> getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. So > >>> many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to most. I > >>> am > >>> not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > >>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived in > >>> DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their kids > >>> (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying > >>> enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had the > >>> foresight to ask or listen better. > >>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help let > >>> me > >>> know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > >>> Thanks so much for all info and help! > >>> Barb D. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: SusanM > >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > >>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >>> > >>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It has > >>> been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. I'm > >>> not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say thanks > >>> to > >>> people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > >>> > >>> > >>> Susan M > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I live in Serbia, in Batchka and I can say that you can freely visit the country. If you need some help here, in the Batchka region I am here for you to help! :) Izolda ________________________________ From: Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast.net> To: 'Maria Moore' <Maria.Moore@sas.com>; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [DVHH] Visiting Serbia/Romania Marie, by all means tell your son to go to Banat. He can take the train from Budapest, it's a 4 hour drive and he can see beautiful Hungary and cross the border into Romania getting off at the Arad Train Station. From there he can take a cab or rent a car and drive straight through to Timisoara.  I can assist with some areas of interest there and people to contact, like Calin who can pick him up at the Arad trains station and drive him all over and be his translator.  I have hired Calin of several trips to Banat. He really loves to help with genealogy. Contact him here: http://www.dvhh.org/temesquarters/calin.htm He can also arrange for a place to stay.  Calin has a son who is about 19-20 years old now. Tell him I referred you. It would have been okay to go to Serbia and Romania in 2008. Anywhere you go, you have to be careful. I haven't been into Serbia, but I can say the folks in Romania are absolutely gracious and hospitable. Jody McKim Pharr Georgia, USA -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maria Moore Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 1:23 PM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] Visiting Serbia/Romania I've been reading the list for about a year now and learning so much.  Just recently I got brave enough to ask for help with my search.  I was shocked by the wealth of information I received.  I went from very little and thinking I had unsurmountable road blocks, to lots of information to keep me busy for some time.  I'm grateful for everyone who has shared information with me.  Both my grandparents died while I was very young so I barely remember them. Older cousins either didn't care of had incorrect information.  In fact one cousin was quite upset with me when I 'claimed' they came from Austria Hungary.  Since Grandma always said they were German, they must have come from Germany!  (The kittens being born in the barn analogy was terrific.) Depending on when the legal documents were filled out, my Grandfather claimed he came from Hungary, Yugoslavia, or Serbia. Now based on records, pictures, and stories, I am trying to piece together the past - just like all of you.  Being able to connect with a piece of the past and bring it to life is often emotional. My grandparents came from Nagykikinda and Soltour with their ancestors living in Marienfeld and other surrounding villages.  I would love to visit the area now in Serbia and Romania.  Being able to walk the streets, visit the cemeteries where ancestors are buried and make that connection would be priceless.  In 2008 we were in Budapest but were told that Americans visiting Serbia wouldn't be very welcome at that time.  Does anyone know what the political climate is at this time?  Our son, age 21, will be in Budapest this summer.  He has expressed interest in seeing where his ancestors came from.  But I wasn't sure if I should encourage him at this point or not.  Of course I'll be jealous if he makes it there before I do! Thanks to all for sharing your memories and insight with the rest of us, Maria ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Linda and John, Welcome to surprises! My father was born in Neudorf bei Vinkovci in 1913. At that time, it belonged already to Syrmia, but when my ancestor settled there in 1819 this village was still in Slavonia part of Austria Hungary. I am searching for the village in which my ancestor was born, and surprisingly all results seem to point towards Lorraine/France, and more precisely the Departement of Moselle (Département de la Moselle bordering Alsace and Germany). Without knowing all that, my father came to this region after the WWII to start a new life. I was born later, and so it looks like the loop has been closed! In my native region, there are many people still speaking german (germanic dialects). At home, we spoke at least 3 different dialects. My mom would speak Alsatian, my father Schwowisch, and myself sometimes Hochdeutsch sometimes Lothringerisch (this one is close to the Saarlandisch dialect) depending on the context in which I was. We Moselle-Lothringer and also Alsatians people are still not considered real French. It was always so througout history. I guess the state of imperfection we humans are in doesn't help us sometimes for trying to improve our relationships. However, it is great to see how the rich past of our ancestors get us together as a community. Linda, if you ever search a French Website and need to have something translated from French to English, I'll be glad to help. Best to all of you. Tina Michel, Montreal, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Schambre" <jfschambre@comcast.net> To: "Linda Jaspersen" <ljaspersen@gmail.com> Cc: "DVHH" <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe Linda: It is possible your family came from Alsace-Lorraine France where so many German speaking people lived and migrated to the Banat. I thought my family came from Germany too because, like yours, they always said they were German from Austria-Hungary. Well, they were German and, once they moved to the Banat, they were Austro-Hungarians but before that, probably back in the late 1600's or throughout the 1700 and 1800's they may have lived in France. It was quite a revelation to me. Interestingly, my family had relatives in Buffalo and Tonawanda too! Their family names were Bishop and Stetzer and, unfortunately I haven't been able to find out much about them. I remember them visiting us in Mansfield, Ohio (my home town) but we never went to New York to see them. So many mysteries to uncover! Best of luck in your research! John F. Schambre San Francisco, CA On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> wrote: > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage > postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying > to > catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about > little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were > too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to > a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also > regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of > oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born > in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, > according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to > Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my > GGM) > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in > 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, > and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife > and 4 remaining children. > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > went to the German > club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust > and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting > overseas. > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they > called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from > Austria-Hungary, > never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick > walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in > the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > Stadervolumes. > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been > a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, > particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in > the > Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > Thank You All, > > > Linda > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast > .net> wrote: > >> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a >> Schwowe. >> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the >> witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa >> would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You >> are >> in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research >> quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after >> those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and >> knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. >> >> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have >> brick >> walls, post it onto the mail list. >> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the >> entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know >> where >> you are at in your search. >> >> Thanks for sharing, >> >> Jody McKim Pharr >> Woodstock, GA - USA >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: >> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM >> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >> >> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling >> us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around >> his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. >> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my >> father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic >> German). >> >> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one >> with >> a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with >> a >> need to dig and find out more. >> >> With kind regards, >> >> Tina Michel, >> Montreal >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> >> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >> >> >>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. >>> I >>> am >>> getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. So >>> many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to most. >>> I >>> am >>> not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. >>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived >>> in >>> DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their kids >>> (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying >>> enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had >>> the >>> foresight to ask or listen better. >>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help >>> let >>> me >>> know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. >>> Thanks so much for all info and help! >>> Barb D. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: SusanM >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM >>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>> >>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It has >>> been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. >>> I'm >>> not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say thanks >>> to >>> people who have written on this thread. 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Marie, by all means tell your son to go to Banat. He can take the train from Budapest, it's a 4 hour drive and he can see beautiful Hungary and cross the border into Romania getting off at the Arad Train Station. From there he can take a cab or rent a car and drive straight through to Timisoara. I can assist with some areas of interest there and people to contact, like Calin who can pick him up at the Arad trains station and drive him all over and be his translator. I have hired Calin of several trips to Banat. He really loves to help with genealogy. Contact him here: http://www.dvhh.org/temesquarters/calin.htm He can also arrange for a place to stay. Calin has a son who is about 19-20 years old now. Tell him I referred you. It would have been okay to go to Serbia and Romania in 2008. Anywhere you go, you have to be careful. I haven't been into Serbia, but I can say the folks in Romania are absolutely gracious and hospitable. Jody McKim Pharr Georgia, USA -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maria Moore Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 1:23 PM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] Visiting Serbia/Romania I've been reading the list for about a year now and learning so much. Just recently I got brave enough to ask for help with my search. I was shocked by the wealth of information I received. I went from very little and thinking I had unsurmountable road blocks, to lots of information to keep me busy for some time. I'm grateful for everyone who has shared information with me. Both my grandparents died while I was very young so I barely remember them. Older cousins either didn't care of had incorrect information. In fact one cousin was quite upset with me when I 'claimed' they came from Austria Hungary. Since Grandma always said they were German, they must have come from Germany! (The kittens being born in the barn analogy was terrific.) Depending on when the legal documents were filled out, my Grandfather claimed he came from Hungary, Yugoslavia, or Serbia. Now based on records, pictures, and stories, I am trying to piece together the past - just like all of you. Being able to connect with a piece of the past and bring it to life is often emotional. My grandparents came from Nagykikinda and Soltour with their ancestors living in Marienfeld and other surrounding villages. I would love to visit the area now in Serbia and Romania. Being able to walk the streets, visit the cemeteries where ancestors are buried and make that connection would be priceless. In 2008 we were in Budapest but were told that Americans visiting Serbia wouldn't be very welcome at that time. Does anyone know what the political climate is at this time? Our son, age 21, will be in Budapest this summer. He has expressed interest in seeing where his ancestors came from. But I wasn't sure if I should encourage him at this point or not. Of course I'll be jealous if he makes it there before I do! Thanks to all for sharing your memories and insight with the rest of us, Maria ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rose, We do our cabbage rolls both in oven or on the stove. The difference for us is how many we are cooking for. If it's just us it's on top of the stove wtih tomato juice cooked in it. If I do for a crowd - like open houses etc, than it goes in the oven with more of a sauce on top. Eve On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Rose Vetter <rosevetter@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Rita, > > In your comment, "...sour cabbage leaves were available only in the winter. > In the summer, the preserved cabbage leaves would start to cook and spoil. > So, in the summer, they made Sarma with cooked fresh cabbage leaves and > used a tomato based sauce.." you bring up an interesting point that never > occurred to me. I always wondered why my mother did not make sauerkraut > sarma, although she was an excellent cook. The reason might have been > that, because we lived in an apartment in the city, she did not have the > room to make sauerkraut. She made the sarma with fresh cabbage leaves and > lots of tomato sauce, for dunking with bread, cooked on top of the stove, > not in the oven. I still make it that way - my family loves it. > > Rose > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

John, I can only speak of family lore. My Lutheran ancestor came from Alsace-Lorraine to Batschka. The family name was SEINE, like the River Seine, but after living in German speaking Altkeer (O'Keer) the name was Germanized to SEHNE. Family lore said that GGgrandmother was French speaking. She was the one that taught the Sehne family to cook. In the 1960's I purchased "The Joy of French Cooking" by Julia Child. In reading the recipes, I was surprised to see that the recipes I had been taught to cook, had a very strong influence to French country cooking. It was so very interesting to read all the different versions of dishes. A lot were like my grandmother from Glockowatz, in the Banat, who used a lot of "Einbreint" which my Batschka mother rejected. So interesting. Regards, June Meyer junemeyerrecipes@yahoo.com On Apr 24, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Daniel HILAIRE <danielhilaire@hotmail.com> wrote: > John, > Most of people coming from Alsace-Lorraine (in fact, Lorraine), didn't speak german when they arrived in Banat; they were speaking only french and same for their children; but, as the local administration, the army, sometimes the boys or the girls they married, were speaking german, they had to speak german and finally they lost their french language; so, 120-130 years after, when they arrived to US, they were speaking only german until... 120 years after, their descendants speak english and very few are able to speak german!Another point : Lorraine was not a part of France until 1766Last point : Germany, as a state, didn't exist before 1871; to obtain this, Bismark had to fight against Austria in 1866 (and again the french in 1870). So, there was no "german from Austria-Hungary". > But, as another member of the group explained very well a couple of days ago, it's too difficult for a Banater Schwaben to explain who he is really; so, let's people from Lorraine, speaking french, become... German from Austria. > Hope you'll pardon me for these points. > Bonne journée > Daniel Hilaire, Bordeaux > > > >> From: jfschambre@comcast.net >> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 08:53:15 -0700 >> To: ljaspersen@gmail.com >> CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >> >> Linda: It is possible your family came from Alsace-Lorraine France where so many German speaking people lived and migrated to the Banat. I thought my family came from Germany too because, like yours, they always said they were German from Austria-Hungary. Well, they were German and, once they moved to the Banat, they were Austro-Hungarians but before that, probably back in the late 1600's or throughout the 1700 and 1800's they may have lived in France. It was quite a revelation to me. >> >> Interestingly, my family had relatives in Buffalo and Tonawanda too! Their family names were Bishop and Stetzer and, unfortunately I haven't been able to find out much about them. I remember them visiting us in Mansfield, Ohio (my home town) but we never went to New York to see them. So many mysteries to uncover! >> >> Best of luck in your research! >> >> John F. Schambre >> San Francisco, CA >> >> >> >> >> >> On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage >>> postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying to >>> catch up after the busy Easter holiday. >>> >>> >>> >>> Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about >>> little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were >>> too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to >>> a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also >>> regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of >>> oral history before my grandparents died. >>> >>> >>> >>> Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born >>> in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, >>> according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to >>> Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my GGM) >>> immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in >>> 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, >>> and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife >>> and 4 remaining children. >>> >>> >>> >>> There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no >>> Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister >>> went to the German >>> club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust >>> and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting >>> overseas. >>> >>> >>> >>> When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they >>> called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from Austria-Hungary, >>> never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick >>> walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in >>> the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the >>> Stadervolumes. >>> >>> >>> >>> All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been >>> a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, >>> particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in the >>> Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. >>> >>> >>> Thank You All, >>> >>> >>> Linda >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast >>> .net> wrote: >>> >>>> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a Schwowe. >>>> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the >>>> witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa >>>> would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You are >>>> in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research >>>> quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after >>>> those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and >>>> knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. >>>> >>>> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have brick >>>> walls, post it onto the mail list. >>>> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the >>>> entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know where >>>> you are at in your search. >>>> >>>> Thanks for sharing, >>>> >>>> Jody McKim Pharr >>>> Woodstock, GA - USA >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: >>>> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM >>>> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>>> >>>> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling >>>> us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around >>>> his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. >>>> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my >>>> father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic >>>> German). >>>> >>>> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one with >>>> a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with a >>>> need to dig and find out more. >>>> >>>> With kind regards, >>>> >>>> Tina Michel, >>>> Montreal >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> >>>> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>>> >>>> >>>>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. I >>>>> am >>>>> getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. So >>>>> many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to most. I >>>>> am >>>>> not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. >>>>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived in >>>>> DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their kids >>>>> (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying >>>>> enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had the >>>>> foresight to ask or listen better. >>>>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help let >>>>> me >>>>> know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. >>>>> Thanks so much for all info and help! >>>>> Barb D. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: SusanM >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM >>>>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>>>> >>>>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It has >>>>> been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. I'm >>>>> not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say thanks >>>>> to >>>>> people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Susan M >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am attempting to research my maternal grandmother's family. Her parents' names were Venceslav Bitmanek and Katarina Mrazek. Through Family Search, Croatia Church Books I discovered in 1885 they were living in Koncanica, Croatia where a child died at birth Found where my great grandmother Katarina Mrazek died in Koncanica in 1894 at the age of 53 of influenza. I could not find any records of my grandmother's or great uncle's birth. Know my great grandfather remarried but have not been able to find that information. My sister and I want to take a trip to Croatia if we can verify further information. We had traveled to Bohemia to my maternal grandfather's village and also our paternal grandparents village of Janok, Hungary/Janik, Slovakia. My maternal grandparents spoke Czech and and were active in the Sokol Club in Toledo, Ohio. Does anyone know of any connections in that area who may be interested in doing research? Enjoy reading of all the family research that is happening. franfricke@gmail.com

June: It is interesting how many people came from Alsace-Lorraine - hundreds of thousands from what i've learned. My ancestors left Guebling, Lorraine in 1770 and went to Mercydorf. From there, they went to Weisenhaid (Chambre) and Blumenthal (Zimmerman/Zuber). I have the Church Books for both villages and have actually completed my (S)Chambre family tree and gave it to relatives as a christmas present in 2013. I have learned so much and find it so interesting. I only wish my grandparents were still here so I could talk to them about it again like I did when I was a child. I sure did love my grandmother's cooking though and the recipes that are being shared are all familiar to me :-) Thanks for your note. John John F. Schambre San Francisco, CA jfschambre@comcast.net On Apr 24, 2014, at 12:15 PM, June Meyer <junemeyerrecipes@yahoo.com> wrote: > John, I can only speak of family lore. My Lutheran ancestor came from Alsace-Lorraine to Batschka. The family name was SEINE, like the River Seine, but after living in German speaking Altkeer (O'Keer) the name was Germanized to SEHNE. Family lore said that GGgrandmother was French speaking. She was the one that taught the Sehne family to cook. > > In the 1960's I purchased "The Joy of French Cooking" by Julia Child. In reading the recipes, I was surprised to see that the recipes I had been taught to cook, had a very strong influence to French country cooking. It was so very interesting to read all the different versions of dishes. A lot were like my grandmother from Glockowatz, in the Banat, who used a lot of "Einbreint" which my Batschka mother rejected. So interesting. > > Regards, > > June Meyer > junemeyerrecipes@yahoo.com > > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Daniel HILAIRE <danielhilaire@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> John, >> Most of people coming from Alsace-Lorraine (in fact, Lorraine), didn't speak german when they arrived in Banat; they were speaking only french and same for their children; but, as the local administration, the army, sometimes the boys or the girls they married, were speaking german, they had to speak german and finally they lost their french language; so, 120-130 years after, when they arrived to US, they were speaking only german until... 120 years after, their descendants speak english and very few are able to speak german!Another point : Lorraine was not a part of France until 1766Last point : Germany, as a state, didn't exist before 1871; to obtain this, Bismark had to fight against Austria in 1866 (and again the french in 1870). So, there was no "german from Austria-Hungary". >> But, as another member of the group explained very well a couple of days ago, it's too difficult for a Banater Schwaben to explain who he is really; so, let's people from Lorraine, speaking french, become... German from Austria. >> Hope you'll pardon me for these points. >> Bonne journée >> Daniel Hilaire, Bordeaux >> >> >> >>> From: jfschambre@comcast.net >>> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 08:53:15 -0700 >>> To: ljaspersen@gmail.com >>> CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>> >>> Linda: It is possible your family came from Alsace-Lorraine France where so many German speaking people lived and migrated to the Banat. I thought my family came from Germany too because, like yours, they always said they were German from Austria-Hungary. Well, they were German and, once they moved to the Banat, they were Austro-Hungarians but before that, probably back in the late 1600's or throughout the 1700 and 1800's they may have lived in France. It was quite a revelation to me. >>> >>> Interestingly, my family had relatives in Buffalo and Tonawanda too! Their family names were Bishop and Stetzer and, unfortunately I haven't been able to find out much about them. I remember them visiting us in Mansfield, Ohio (my home town) but we never went to New York to see them. So many mysteries to uncover! >>> >>> Best of luck in your research! >>> >>> John F. Schambre >>> San Francisco, CA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage >>>> postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying to >>>> catch up after the busy Easter holiday. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about >>>> little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were >>>> too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to >>>> a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also >>>> regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of >>>> oral history before my grandparents died. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born >>>> in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, >>>> according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to >>>> Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my GGM) >>>> immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in >>>> 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, >>>> and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife >>>> and 4 remaining children. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no >>>> Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister >>>> went to the German >>>> club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust >>>> and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting >>>> overseas. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they >>>> called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from Austria-Hungary, >>>> never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick >>>> walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in >>>> the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the >>>> Stadervolumes. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been >>>> a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, >>>> particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in the >>>> Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank You All, >>>> >>>> >>>> Linda >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast >>>> .net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a Schwowe. >>>>> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the >>>>> witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa >>>>> would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You are >>>>> in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research >>>>> quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after >>>>> those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and >>>>> knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. >>>>> >>>>> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have brick >>>>> walls, post it onto the mail list. >>>>> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the >>>>> entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know where >>>>> you are at in your search. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for sharing, >>>>> >>>>> Jody McKim Pharr >>>>> Woodstock, GA - USA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: >>>>> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM >>>>> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>>>> >>>>> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling >>>>> us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around >>>>> his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. >>>>> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my >>>>> father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic >>>>> German). >>>>> >>>>> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one with >>>>> a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with a >>>>> need to dig and find out more. >>>>> >>>>> With kind regards, >>>>> >>>>> Tina Michel, >>>>> Montreal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> >>>>> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. I >>>>>> am >>>>>> getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. So >>>>>> many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to most. I >>>>>> am >>>>>> not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. >>>>>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived in >>>>>> DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their kids >>>>>> (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying >>>>>> enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had the >>>>>> foresight to ask or listen better. >>>>>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help let >>>>>> me >>>>>> know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. >>>>>> Thanks so much for all info and help! >>>>>> Barb D. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: SusanM >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM >>>>>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>>>>> >>>>>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It has >>>>>> been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. I'm >>>>>> not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say thanks >>>>>> to >>>>>> people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Susan M >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Daniel: I don't mind at all, in fact I appreciate your input and explanations. It all helps me understand or clarify what information I do have even better :-) I see you are in Bordeaux! I will be visiting there the first week of May. I will be on a Viking River Cruise through Bordeaux wine country and see some Chateau as well - I will end my trip with 3 days in Paris - one of my favorite cities! Again, thanks much for the points of interest. John John F. Schambre San Francisco, CA jfschambre@comcast.net On Apr 24, 2014, at 10:16 AM, Daniel HILAIRE <danielhilaire@hotmail.com> wrote: > John, > > Most of people coming from Alsace-Lorraine (in fact, Lorraine), didn't speak german when they arrived in Banat; they were speaking only french and same for their children; but, as the local administration, the army, sometimes the boys or the girls they married, were speaking german, they had to speak german and finally they lost their french language; so, 120-130 years after, when they arrived to US, they were speaking only german until... 120 years after, their descendants speak english and very few are able to speak german! > Another point : Lorraine was not a part of France until 1766 > Last point : Germany, as a state, didn't exist before 1871; to obtain this, Bismark had to fight against Austria in 1866 (and again the french in 1870). So, there was no "german from Austria-Hungary". > > But, as another member of the group explained very well a couple of days ago, it's too difficult for a Banater Schwaben to explain who he is really; so, let's people from Lorraine, speaking french, become... German from Austria. > > Hope you'll pardon me for these points. > > Bonne journée > > Daniel Hilaire, Bordeaux > > > > > > From: jfschambre@comcast.net > > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 08:53:15 -0700 > > To: ljaspersen@gmail.com > > CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > Linda: It is possible your family came from Alsace-Lorraine France where so many German speaking people lived and migrated to the Banat. I thought my family came from Germany too because, like yours, they always said they were German from Austria-Hungary. Well, they were German and, once they moved to the Banat, they were Austro-Hungarians but before that, probably back in the late 1600's or throughout the 1700 and 1800's they may have lived in France. It was quite a revelation to me. > > > > Interestingly, my family had relatives in Buffalo and Tonawanda too! Their family names were Bishop and Stetzer and, unfortunately I haven't been able to find out much about them. I remember them visiting us in Mansfield, Ohio (my home town) but we never went to New York to see them. So many mysteries to uncover! > > > > Best of luck in your research! > > > > John F. Schambre > > San Francisco, CA > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage > > > postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying to > > > catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about > > > little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were > > > too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to > > > a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also > > > regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of > > > oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > > > > > > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born > > > in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, > > > according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to > > > Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my GGM) > > > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in > > > 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, > > > and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife > > > and 4 remaining children. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > > > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > > > went to the German > > > club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust > > > and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting > > > overseas. > > > > > > > > > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they > > > called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from Austria-Hungary, > > > never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick > > > walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in > > > the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > > > Stadervolumes. > > > > > > > > > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been > > > a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, > > > particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in the > > > Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > > > > > > > Thank You All, > > > > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast > > > .net> wrote: > > > > > >> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a Schwowe. > > >> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the > > >> witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa > > >> would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You are > > >> in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research > > >> quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after > > >> those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and > > >> knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > > >> > > >> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have brick > > >> walls, post it onto the mail list. > > >> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the > > >> entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know where > > >> you are at in your search. > > >> > > >> Thanks for sharing, > > >> > > >> Jody McKim Pharr > > >> Woodstock, GA - USA > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > > >> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel > > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > > >> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > >> > > >> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling > > >> us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around > > >> his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. > > >> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my > > >> father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic > > >> German). > > >> > > >> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one with > > >> a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with a > > >> need to dig and find out more. > > >> > > >> With kind regards, > > >> > > >> Tina Michel, > > >> Montreal > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > > >> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > >> > > >> > > >>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. I > > >>> am > > >>> getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. So > > >>> many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to most. I > > >>> am > > >>> not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > > >>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived in > > >>> DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their kids > > >>> (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying > > >>> enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had the > > >>> foresight to ask or listen better. > > >>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help let > > >>> me > > >>> know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > > >>> Thanks so much for all info and help! > > >>> Barb D. > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: SusanM > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > > >>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > >>> > > >>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It has > > >>> been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. I'm > > >>> not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say thanks > > >>> to > > >>> people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Susan M > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rita, Their origins are listed in the Glogowatz FB back to the 1700's Information regarding country of birth then ends. Is it possible the early church books in Glogowatz would have origin information noted upon settlement there? Linda Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 24, 2014, at 12:32 PM, Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com> wrote: > > Hi Linda, > > > > My family were all Catholic also. I found their origins by looking at the church books. The first marriage entry after relocating usually listed where the Groom and Bride were from. > > > > Rita > > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >> From: ljaspersen@gmail.com >> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 12:19:07 -0400 >> To: schiwanore@msn.com >> >> Thank you, Rita - I never considered that. Since they're all Catholic, I made a possibly erroneous guess that they originated from somewhere in southern Germany. >> Linda >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 24, 2014, at 11:56 AM, Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com> wrote: >>> >>> I know that part of my family came to the Banat from an area that was already in the Austro Hungarian Empire. Specifically from the Moravia, Hungarian, and Croatia regions. Since these people were traveling to an area within the same country, they did not need to register like those from Germany, for example. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rita >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: evebrown@gmail.com >>>> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 09:19:45 -0400 >>>> To: ljaspersen@gmail.com >>>> CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>>> >>>> Hello Linda, >>>> >>>> I don't know if this would be the case for your family or not, my father's >>>> family also was not in the Stader books. I learned with time and help the >>>> reason was because his family was brought in as Grenzers - border patrol. >>>> My phrasing of this may be incorrect - I am by no means an expert and >>>> please I someone knows the how and why of the Grenzers coming into the >>>> Banat - please share here! >>>> >>>> Eve >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage >>>>> postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying to >>>>> catch up after the busy Easter holiday. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about >>>>> little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were >>>>> too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to >>>>> a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also >>>>> regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of >>>>> oral history before my grandparents died. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born >>>>> in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, >>>>> according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to >>>>> Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my >>>>> GGM) >>>>> immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in >>>>> 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, >>>>> and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife >>>>> and 4 remaining children. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no >>>>> Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister >>>>> went to the German >>>>> club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust >>>>> and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting >>>>> overseas. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they >>>>> called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from Austria-Hungary, >>>>> never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick >>>>> walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in >>>>> the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the >>>>> Stadervolumes. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been >>>>> a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, >>>>> particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in the >>>>> Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thank You All, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Linda >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast >>>>> .net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a >>>>> Schwowe. >>>>>> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the >>>>>> witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa >>>>>> would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You >>>>> are >>>>>> in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research >>>>>> quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after >>>>>> those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and >>>>>> knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. >>>>>> >>>>>> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have >>>>> brick >>>>>> walls, post it onto the mail list. >>>>>> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the >>>>>> entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know >>>>> where >>>>>> you are at in your search. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for sharing, >>>>>> >>>>>> Jody McKim Pharr >>>>>> Woodstock, GA - USA >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: >>>>>> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM >>>>>> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>>>>> >>>>>> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling >>>>>> us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around >>>>>> his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. >>>>>> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my >>>>>> father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic >>>>>> German). >>>>>> >>>>>> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one >>>>> with >>>>>> a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with >>>>> a >>>>>> need to dig and find out more. >>>>>> >>>>>> With kind regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Tina Michel, >>>>>> Montreal >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> >>>>>> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. >>>>> I >>>>>>> am >>>>>>> getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. >>>>> So >>>>>>> many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to >>>>> most. I >>>>>>> am >>>>>>> not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. >>>>>>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived >>>>> in >>>>>>> DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their >>>>> kids >>>>>>> (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying >>>>>>> enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had >>>>> the >>>>>>> foresight to ask or listen better. >>>>>>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help >>>>> let >>>>>>> me >>>>>>> know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. >>>>>>> Thanks so much for all info and help! >>>>>>> Barb D. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: SusanM >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM >>>>>>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It >>>>> has >>>>>>> been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. >>>>> I'm >>>>>>> not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say >>>>> thanks >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Susan M >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Syrmia Regional Coordinator >>>> http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message