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    1. [DVHH] Marienfeld look-up please
    2. Peggy

    3. Hello my friends, I am looking for a bit of help. I have tracked my 4great grandmother to Marienfeld. Her name is Anna Maria SCHÖN born 8 Jan 1774 in Marienfeld. Her parents names were Johann SCHÖN and Magdalena LOHMüLLER. If there is anything in the Marienfeld book on either family, I would be thankful if you would share it with me. Also I have that her husband, Paul MARX, was born in Klein-Lüttich, Lothringen. Does anyone have an idea of where this might be? Thank you, Peggy

    04/26/2014 05:59:05
    1. Re: [DVHH] Marienfeld look-up please
    2. John Schambre

    3. Hi Peggy: I don't know anything about Marienfeld but I do know that Lothringen is the name given to the area in Alsace-Lorraine France where many 'german speaking' people lived and eventually migrated to the Banat. I found my family there too! I'm sure you will hear from other regarding marienfeld as it appears there are quite a few listers who are familiar with that town. Best of luck! John F. Schambre San Francisco, CA On Apr 26, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Peggy <milpegg@centurytel.net> wrote: > Hello my friends, > I am looking for a bit of help. > I have tracked my 4great grandmother to Marienfeld. Her name is Anna > Maria SCHÖN born 8 Jan 1774 in Marienfeld. Her parents names were Johann > SCHÖN and Magdalena LOHMüLLER. > If there is anything in the Marienfeld book on either family, I would be > thankful if you would share it with me. > > Also I have that her husband, Paul MARX, was born in Klein-Lüttich, > Lothringen. Does anyone have an idea of where this might be? > > Thank you, > Peggy > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/26/2014 05:56:21
    1. Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe
    2. Linda Jaspersen

    3. Hi John, Thank you for your response! Sorry it has taken me a few days to respond to you. I wanted to wait until the weekend when I had more time to look into the Bishop surname, which I knew was also on my tree. The Stetzer surname is not on my tree (at least not yet). Mary Margaret Bishop is the wife of my 1st cousin 1x removed and married Howard Raymond Sattelberg, whose mother is my paternal grand aunt. The Sattelberg's are from Prussia. I have not yet discovered where the Bishop family originated, but know that Mary and her parents were all born in New York. I checked the 1940 U.S. Federal Census; it shows Mary Bishop, age 17, living in North Tonawanda with her parents (Edward Bishop & Susan NN) & 3 sisters. Please let me know if you think these Bishops are your missing relatives in North Tonawanda. Perhaps we’re distant cousins?! Good luck with your research, too! Linda Jaspersen New York, NY On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 11:53 AM, John Schambre <jfschambre@comcast.net>wrote: > Linda: It is possible your family came from Alsace-Lorraine France where > so many German speaking people lived and migrated to the Banat. I thought > my family came from Germany too because, like yours, they always said they > were German from Austria-Hungary. Well, they were German and, once they > moved to the Banat, they were Austro-Hungarians but before that, probably > back in the late 1600's or throughout the 1700 and 1800's they may have > lived in France. It was quite a revelation to me. > > Interestingly, my family had relatives in Buffalo and Tonawanda too! > Their family names were Bishop and Stetzer and, unfortunately I haven't > been able to find out much about them. I remember them visiting us in > Mansfield, Ohio (my home town) but we never went to New York to see them. > So many mysteries to uncover! > > Best of luck in your research! > > John F. Schambre > San Francisco, CA > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> wrote: > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage > postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying to > catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about > little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were > too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to > a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also > regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of > oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born > in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, > according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to > Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my > GGM) > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in > 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, > and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife > and 4 remaining children. > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > > went to the German > club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust > and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting > overseas. > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they > called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from Austria-Hungary, > never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick > walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in > the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > Stadervolumes. > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been > a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, > particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in the > Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > Thank You All, > > > Linda > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast > .net> wrote: > > Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a Schwowe. > Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the > witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa > would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You are > in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research > quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after > those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and > knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > > This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have brick > walls, post it onto the mail list. > Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the > entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know where > you are at in your search. > > Thanks for sharing, > > Jody McKim Pharr > Woodstock, GA - USA > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling > us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around > his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. > Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my > father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic > German). > > I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one with > a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with a > need to dig and find out more. > > With kind regards, > > Tina Michel, > Montreal > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. I > am > getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. So > many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to most. I > am > not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived in > DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their kids > (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying > enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had the > foresight to ask or listen better. > So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help let > me > know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > Thanks so much for all info and help! > Barb D. > > -----Original Message----- > From: SusanM > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It has > been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. I'm > not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say thanks > to > people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > > > Susan M > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

    04/26/2014 05:55:56
    1. Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe
    2. Linda Jaspersen

    3. Hi Rita, Thank you for your tip about the helpfulness of Banat church books. Sorry it has taken me a few days to respond. I did look into it and learned the web site lists a Glogowatz church CD available for purchase! Linda New York On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com>wrote: > Hi Linda, > > > > Some family books list the prior origins of the new settlers... also some > of the church books. I love using the church books as I find more > information there. I am not sure if these are available for Glogowatz. > > > > Rita > > Colorado and Jabuka > > > > CC: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > From: ljaspersen@gmail.com > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 12:43:25 -0400 > > To: schiwanore@msn.com > > > > Hi Rita, Their origins are listed in the Glogowatz FB back to the 1700's > Information regarding country of birth then ends. Is it possible the early > church books in Glogowatz would have origin information noted upon > settlement there? Linda > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 12:32 PM, Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com> > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Linda, > > > > > > > > > > > > My family were all Catholic also. I found their origins by looking at > the church books. The first marriage entry after relocating usually listed > where the Groom and Bride were from. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rita > > > > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > >> From: ljaspersen@gmail.com > > >> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 12:19:07 -0400 > > >> To: schiwanore@msn.com > > >> > > >> Thank you, Rita - I never considered that. Since they're all > Catholic, I made a possibly erroneous guess that they originated from > somewhere in southern Germany. > > >> Linda > > >> > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > >> > > >>> On Apr 24, 2014, at 11:56 AM, Rita Schiwanowitsch < > schiwanore@msn.com> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> I know that part of my family came to the Banat from an area that > was already in the Austro Hungarian Empire. Specifically from the Moravia, > Hungarian, and Croatia regions. Since these people were traveling to an > area within the same country, they did not need to register like those from > Germany, for example. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Rita > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> From: evebrown@gmail.com > > >>>> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 09:19:45 -0400 > > >>>> To: ljaspersen@gmail.com > > >>>> CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > >>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > >>>> > > >>>> Hello Linda, > > >>>> > > >>>> I don't know if this would be the case for your family or not, my > father's > > >>>> family also was not in the Stader books. I learned with time and > help the > > >>>> reason was because his family was brought in as Grenzers - border > patrol. > > >>>> My phrasing of this may be incorrect - I am by no means an expert > and > > >>>> please I someone knows the how and why of the Grenzers coming into > the > > >>>> Banat - please share here! > > >>>> > > >>>> Eve > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen < > ljaspersen@gmail.com>wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The > heritage > > >>>>> postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - > trying to > > >>>>> catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments > about > > >>>>> little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps > they were > > >>>>> too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and > adapt to > > >>>>> a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I > also > > >>>>> regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more > sharing of > > >>>>> oral history before my grandparents died. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents > were born > > >>>>> in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the > 1700’s, > > >>>>> according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF > immigrant to > > >>>>> Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed > mother (my > > >>>>> GGM) > > >>>>> immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New > York, in > > >>>>> 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & > 1910, > > >>>>> and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany > his wife > > >>>>> and 4 remaining children. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > > >>>>> Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > > >>>>> went to the German > > >>>>> club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was > distrust > > >>>>> and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers > fighting > > >>>>> overseas. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as > they > > >>>>> called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from > Austria-Hungary, > > >>>>> never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge > brick > > >>>>> walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated > from in > > >>>>> the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > > >>>>> Stadervolumes. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site > have been > > >>>>> a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to > learn, > > >>>>> particularly from listers with family memories of what life was > like in the > > >>>>> Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Thank You All, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Linda > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr > <jodymckimpharr@comcast > > >>>>> .net> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a > > >>>>> Schwowe. > > >>>>>> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were > in the > > >>>>>> witness protection program. They would barely talk about > anything. Papa > > >>>>>> would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak > English "You > > >>>>> are > > >>>>>> in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family > research > > >>>>>> quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my > questions after > > >>>>>> those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our > wonderful and > > >>>>>> knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you > have > > >>>>> brick > > >>>>>> walls, post it onto the mail list. > > >>>>>> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back > to the > > >>>>>> entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can > know > > >>>>> where > > >>>>>> you are at in your search. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Thanks for sharing, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Jody McKim Pharr > > >>>>>> Woodstock, GA - USA > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>>>> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > > >>>>>> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina > Michel > > >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > > >>>>>> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on > telling > > >>>>>> us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and > around > > >>>>>> his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why > and how. > > >>>>>> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked > my > > >>>>>> father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch > (Academic > > >>>>>> German). > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only > one > > >>>>> with > > >>>>>> a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure > enough with > > >>>>> a > > >>>>>> need to dig and find out more. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> With kind regards, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Tina Michel, > > >>>>>> Montreal > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>>>>> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > > >>>>>> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; < > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > > >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it > keeps up. > > >>>>> I > > >>>>>>> am > > >>>>>>> getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and > died. > > >>>>> So > > >>>>>>> many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to > > >>>>> most. I > > >>>>>>> am > > >>>>>>> not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > > >>>>>>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who > lived > > >>>>> in > > >>>>>>> DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to > their > > >>>>> kids > > >>>>>>> (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't > paying > > >>>>>>> enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had > had > > >>>>> the > > >>>>>>> foresight to ask or listen better. > > >>>>>>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to > help > > >>>>> let > > >>>>>>> me > > >>>>>>> know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > > >>>>>>> Thanks so much for all info and help! > > >>>>>>> Barb D. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>>>>> From: SusanM > > >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > > >>>>>>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this > discussion. It > > >>>>> has > > >>>>>>> been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the > archives. > > >>>>> I'm > > >>>>>>> not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say > > >>>>> thanks > > >>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>> people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Susan M > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> ------------------------------- > > >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >>>>>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > >>>>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ------------------------------- > > >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >>>>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > >>>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Syrmia Regional Coordinator > > >>>> http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ------------------------------- > > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ------------------------------- > > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    04/26/2014 05:35:38
    1. Re: [DVHH] Stadervolumes request
    2. Ralph Haus

    3. Beth, I was looking at the WK entries when your email arrived. All I saw was a Röder, no 'L'. Since the Stader list was derived (based?) on WK I would have thought I would have found the same entries. The reason for my comments is that I have struck out many times with some of my family names researching the WK listings. Am I missing something by not researching the Stader list as well? Ralph Haus On 4/26/2014 11:06 AM, Beth Tolfree wrote: > Margaret - - sending you privately the few Leinweber and Rödler entries I found in Stader. Beth > > -----Original Message----- > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Bures > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 8:37 PM > To: donauschwaben-villages > Subject: [DVHH] Stadervolumes request > > Dear friends, > > Is it possible to look up my ancestors to see if they are in the Stadervolumes records? > > My fathers family was Rödler, and my mothers family was Leinweber. My mother always said her family was from the Pfalz, Rhineland Pfalz? > > My fathers name was Jacob Rödler, born 1897 in Cervenka, I believe, and I believe his father was George Rödler. > > My mother was Margareta Leinweber, born 1901 in Cervenka, I believe. I think her father was Johann Leinweber, mother was Katharina Leinweber. > > Any info would be appreciated. > > Thank you. > > Margaret > > > Margaret > From my iPad > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/26/2014 05:32:06
    1. Re: [DVHH] Stadervolumes request
    2. Beth Tolfree

    3. Margaret - - sending you privately the few Leinweber and Rödler entries I found in Stader. Beth -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Bures Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 8:37 PM To: donauschwaben-villages Subject: [DVHH] Stadervolumes request Dear friends, Is it possible to look up my ancestors to see if they are in the Stadervolumes records? My fathers family was Rödler, and my mothers family was Leinweber. My mother always said her family was from the Pfalz, Rhineland Pfalz? My fathers name was Jacob Rödler, born 1897 in Cervenka, I believe, and I believe his father was George Rödler. My mother was Margareta Leinweber, born 1901 in Cervenka, I believe. I think her father was Johann Leinweber, mother was Katharina Leinweber. Any info would be appreciated. Thank you. Margaret Margaret >From my iPad ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/26/2014 03:06:02
    1. [DVHH] Stadervolumes request
    2. Margaret Bures

    3. Dear friends, Is it possible to look up my ancestors to see if they are in the Stadervolumes records? My fathers family was Rödler, and my mothers family was Leinweber. My mother always said her family was from the Pfalz, Rhineland Pfalz? My fathers name was Jacob Rödler, born 1897 in Cervenka, I believe, and I believe his father was George Rödler. My mother was Margareta Leinweber, born 1901 in Cervenka, I believe. I think her father was Johann Leinweber, mother was Katharina Leinweber. Any info would be appreciated. Thank you. Margaret Margaret >From my iPad

    04/25/2014 05:36:41
    1. Re: [DVHH] Translation Needed - Old German
    2. Maria Moore

    3. Thanks to everyone who volunteered to translate my letters. Reading the handwriting and deciphering the dialect was challenging. The most complete Hungarian translation came from Peter Valy and the German translation was done by Rose Vetter. Several other people also sent me translations that were not as complete but very much appreciated. The letters were priceless. I got emotional just reading them. Rose asked if I would be willing to share them with the group by publishing them to the DVHH website. I have agreed to that and as soon as they are available, we’ll let you know. Maria -----Original Message----- From: Maria Moore <Maria.Moore@sas.com<mailto:Maria.Moore@sas.com>> To: "BANAT@rootsweb.com<mailto:BANAT@rootsweb.com>" <BANAT@rootsweb.com<mailto:BANAT@rootsweb.com>>, "donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.net<mailto:donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.net>" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.net<mailto:donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.net>> Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 11:17 AM Subject: [DVHH] Translation Needed - Old German I have two letters that were written in Hungary before WWI and sent to my Grandfather in Chicago. I thought they were written in Hungarian. One of the letters turned out to be two letters (on the same piece of paper) written by two different people in two different languages. One was in Hungarian but the other is in Old German of some dialect. The other letter is also in German. Anyone willing to translate the German or at least identify what dialect they are written in? Thanks, Maria ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/25/2014 02:06:09
    1. [DVHH] Weichselsoss
    2. Anne Dreer

    3. Lotte, try pie cherries (not thickened) (Montmorency) for the Weichselsoss. They are sour cherries but not exactly the same. Here in Canada we can get sour cherries (Weichsel) in jars imported from Croatia. Anne

    04/25/2014 01:26:53
    1. Re: [DVHH] DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES Digest, Vol 7, Issue 103
    2. Maria Moore

    3. Thanks to all the people who responded to me about visiting. I'm just sorry I didn't visit in 2008 when I was in the area. I've already let my husband know that we needed to plan a trip. My son is checking their travel plans to see if he can work out a couple of days to make the trip. I'm excited about the possibilities knowing there is a whole support group out there. Maria Message: 6 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 16:08:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Izolda Kov?cs <kovcs_izolda@yahoo.com> Subject: [DVHH] Visiting Serbia/Romania To: "donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Cc: 'Maria Moore' <Maria.Moore@sas.com> Message-ID: <1398380892.6272.YahooMailNeo@web141505.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello, I live in Serbia, in Batchka and I can say that you can freely visit the country. If you need some help here, in the Batchka region I am here for you to help! :) Izolda ________________________________ From: Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast.net> To: 'Maria Moore' <Maria.Moore@sas.com>; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [DVHH] Visiting Serbia/Romania Marie, by all means tell your son to go to Banat. He can take the train from Budapest, it's a 4 hour drive and he can see beautiful Hungary and cross the border into Romania getting off at the Arad Train Station. From there he can take a cab or rent a car and drive straight through to Timisoara.? I can assist with some areas of interest there and people to contact, like Calin who can pick him up at the Arad trains station and drive him all over and be his translator.? I have hired Calin of several trips to Banat. He really loves to help with genealogy. Contact him here: http://www.dvhh.org/temesquarters/calin.htm He can also arrange for a place to stay.? Calin has a son who is about 19-20 years old now. Tell him I referred you. It would have been okay to go to Serbia and Romania in 2008. Anywhere you go, you have to be careful. I haven't been into Serbia, but I can say the folks in Romania are absolutely gracious and hospitable. Jody McKim Pharr Georgia, USA -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maria Moore Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 1:23 PM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] Visiting Serbia/Romania I've been reading the list for about a year now and learning so much.? Just recently I got brave enough to ask for help with my search.? I was shocked by the wealth of information I received.? I went from very little and thinking I had unsurmountable road blocks, to lots of information to keep me busy for some time.? I'm grateful for everyone who has shared information with me.? Both my grandparents died while I was very young so I barely remember them. Older cousins either didn't care of had incorrect information.? In fact one cousin was quite upset with me when I 'claimed' they came from Austria Hungary.? Since Grandma always said they were German, they must have come from Germany!? (The kittens being born in the barn analogy was terrific.) Depending on when the legal documents were filled out, my Grandfather claimed he came from Hungary, Yugoslavia, or Serbia. Now based on records, pictures, and stories, I am trying to piece together the past - just like all of you.? Being able to connect with a piece of the past and bring it to life is often emotional. My grandparents came from Nagykikinda and Soltour with their ancestors living in Marienfeld and other surrounding villages.? I would love to visit the area now in Serbia and Romania.? Being able to walk the streets, visit the cemeteries where ancestors are buried and make that connection would be priceless.? In 2008 we were in Budapest but were told that Americans visiting Serbia wouldn't be very welcome at that time.? Does anyone know what the political climate is at this time?? Our son, age 21, will be in Budapest this summer.? He has expressed interest in seeing where his ancestors came from.? But I wasn't sure if I should encourage him at this point or not.? Of course I'll be jealous if he makes it there before I do! Thanks to all for sharing your memories and insight with the rest of us, Maria

    04/25/2014 01:26:52
    1. Re: [DVHH] CHERRY SAUCE FOR SOUP MEAT
    2. Margaret Woody

    3. Hi Lotte If I can contact my cousin, Mary FISCHLER-ERTL I’ll ask her how her Mama made the sauce.. You are right…it was delish. At the time I visited my Cousins, they lived on a fruit farm in Fruitland, Ontario, Canada (Near Niagra Falls). I’ll bet Mary cooks like her Mom—Great!! Margaret FISCHLER-WOODY From: Lotte Devlin [mailto:lielo816@aol.com] Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 4:48 PM To: woody.m@comcast.net; dreera@sympatico.ca; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] CHERRY SAUCE FOR SOUP MEAT Margaret you're mentioning of cherry sauce brought back the memory of a meal my mother used to make> shin beef boiled with Potatoes and carrots "Weichselsoss", which was the cherry sauce. Haven't made it in years, cause I can't find red sour pitted cherries, which were stirred into a rue (with the juice) and allowed to thicken... mmmmm! Lotte -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Woody <woody.m@comcast.net> To: 'Anne Dreer' <dreera@sympatico.ca>; donauschwaben-villages <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 25, 2014 1:15 pm Subject: Re: [DVHH] all about the "Kochloffel" Hi Anne I can really relate to the "KOCHLOFFEL". My Mother never struck any of us kids--NEVER! But my oldest sister.....now, she was something else!!! When we were doing something wrong Mamma would take us aside and gently tell us the error of our ways. Sometimes I think Mamma knew the kochloffel too well. Mamma was an angel in girls clothing. Margaret FISCHLER-WOODY Oh, by the way..I have never made contact with my Canadian FISCHLER Cousins. I did hear from Barbara FISCHLER- DOLLAK and she referred me to Monica ERTL. I have never heard from Monica. I need to have a phone number or address for Monica or her Mom, Mary FISCHLER-ERTL. Thank you for connecting me to my cousins. Oh yes, another memory...when my family visited my Canadian cousins in 1951, Mary FISCHLER-ERTL's Mother fixed cherry sauce for the "Klein fleisch". Aunt Lani (sp) was a fabulous cook! All DS cooks know a secret--their cooking was marvelous!! -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com <mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com?> ] On Behalf Of Anne Dreer Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 10:44 PM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Austro Hungarian Empire Mea Culpa! and a slap with a Kochlöffel. Anne Dreer From: JOHN GRUBER Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 10:22 PM To: Anne Dreer Subject: RE: [DVHH] Austro Hungarian Empire .... the end of World War I in 1918 > From: dreera@sympatico.ca > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 22:00:09 -0400 > Subject: [DVHH] Austro Hungarian Empire > > The Austro-Hungarian empire was dissolved at the end of World War II in 1918. > Serbia and Croatia and some of the other nearby states became the country Yugoslavia. > > Google Yugoslavia for more information. > > Anne D. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/25/2014 12:23:41
    1. Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe
    2. Margaret Bures

    3. Linda, Where would I be able to find the Stadervolumes? I know my ancestors were from the Pfalz before they went to Yugoslavia and these records might be helpful in finding out where they originated from. Thank you. Margaret Rödler Bures Margaret >From my iPad > On Apr 24, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> wrote: > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage > postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying to > catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about > little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were > too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to > a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also > regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of > oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born > in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, > according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to > Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my GGM) > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in > 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, > and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife > and 4 remaining children. > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > went to the German > club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust > and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting > overseas. > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they > called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from Austria-Hungary, > never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick > walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in > the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > Stadervolumes. > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been > a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, > particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in the > Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > Thank You All, > > > Linda > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast > .net> wrote: > >> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a Schwowe. >> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the >> witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa >> would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You are >> in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research >> quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after >> those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and >> knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. >> >> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have brick >> walls, post it onto the mail list. >> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the >> entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know where >> you are at in your search. >> >> Thanks for sharing, >> >> Jody McKim Pharr >> Woodstock, GA - USA >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: >> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM >> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >> >> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling >> us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around >> his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. >> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my >> father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic >> German). >> >> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one with >> a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with a >> need to dig and find out more. >> >> With kind regards, >> >> Tina Michel, >> Montreal >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> >> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >> >> >>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. I >>> am >>> getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. So >>> many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to most. I >>> am >>> not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. >>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived in >>> DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their kids >>> (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying >>> enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had the >>> foresight to ask or listen better. >>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help let >>> me >>> know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. >>> Thanks so much for all info and help! >>> Barb D. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: SusanM >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM >>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>> >>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It has >>> been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. I'm >>> not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say thanks >>> to >>> people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. >>> >>> >>> Susan M >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/25/2014 11:29:09
    1. Re: [DVHH] all about the "Kochloffel"
    2. Lotte Devlin

    3. Margaret you're mentioning of cherry sauce brought back the memory of a meal my mother used to make> shin beef boiled with Potatoes and carrots "Weichselsoss", which was the cherry sauce. Haven't made it in years, cause I can't find red sour pitted cherries, which were stirred into a rue (with the juice) and allowed to thicken... mmmmm! Lotte -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Woody <woody.m@comcast.net> To: 'Anne Dreer' <dreera@sympatico.ca>; donauschwaben-villages <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 25, 2014 1:15 pm Subject: Re: [DVHH] all about the "Kochloffel" Hi Anne I can really relate to the "KOCHLOFFEL". My Mother never struck any of us kids--NEVER! But my oldest sister.....now, she was something else!!! When we were doing something wrong Mamma would take us aside and gently tell us the error of our ways. Sometimes I think Mamma knew the kochloffel too well. Mamma was an angel in girls clothing. Margaret FISCHLER-WOODY Oh, by the way..I have never made contact with my Canadian FISCHLER Cousins. I did hear from Barbara FISCHLER- DOLLAK and she referred me to Monica ERTL. I have never heard from Monica. I need to have a phone number or address for Monica or her Mom, Mary FISCHLER-ERTL. Thank you for connecting me to my cousins. Oh yes, another memory...when my family visited my Canadian cousins in 1951, Mary FISCHLER-ERTL's Mother fixed cherry sauce for the "Klein fleisch". Aunt Lani (sp) was a fabulous cook! All DS cooks know a secret--their cooking was marvelous!! -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Dreer Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 10:44 PM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Austro Hungarian Empire Mea Culpa! and a slap with a Kochlöffel. Anne Dreer From: JOHN GRUBER Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 10:22 PM To: Anne Dreer Subject: RE: [DVHH] Austro Hungarian Empire .... the end of World War I in 1918 > From: dreera@sympatico.ca > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 22:00:09 -0400 > Subject: [DVHH] Austro Hungarian Empire > > The Austro-Hungarian empire was dissolved at the end of World War II in 1918. > Serbia and Croatia and some of the other nearby states became the country Yugoslavia. > > Google Yugoslavia for more information. > > Anne D. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/25/2014 10:47:46
    1. Re: [DVHH] Paradeis Soss
    2. MARY ANN HUESER

    3. To wade into the cabbage roll discussion, My mother and grandmother grew up making sour cabbage on the Saskatchewan prairies. I am assuming it was passed down from my great-grandmother who came from Setschanfeld. I remember my parents having the large stone crock filled withe cabbage heads sitting out in the sun in the back yard, and then they would take it into the house at night. My mother always "canned' cabbage rolls, they were never frozen. They were put in a quart glass jar and stored with the canned fruit and vegetables. (I never asked, but I am assuming that she boiled them before canning, and then they were reheated when ready to use. - We always had lots of hamburger in our cabbage rolls.) We then could have cabbage rolls any time during the year until the next heads were soured. Mary Ann > From: schiwanore@msn.com > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 10:28:18 -0600 > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Paradeis Soss > > > > Hi, > > I guess I would like to continue the Sarma discussion a little bit longer. > > Mom kept asking me.... "Are they making Sarma in the winter or in the summer?" So, I had to ask her to explain that question to me. > > Since some of the villages had no electricity and no means of refrigeration, sour cabbage leaves were available only in the winter. In the summer, the preserved cabbage leave would start to cook and spoil. So, in the summer, they made Sarma with cooked fresh cabbage leaves and used a tomato based sauce. In the winter, they used the preserved cabbage leaves and sourkraut. To prepare the cabbage leaves for the winter, they would place them in a vat and used salt as a preservative. Mom says she preferred the tomato sauce version... that's why she always prepared it that way for us. Kinda makes sense to me now, > > These were things that were done in a small farming village in the far southern region of Banat near Belgrade. Villages with electricity or that were in cooler climates may have done things differently. > > Rita > > >From Colorado and Jabuka > > > > > > > From: evebrown@gmail.com > Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 14:48:38 -0400 > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Paradeis Soss > To: schiwanore@msn.com > CC: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > > > Rita, Your mom's version sounds like my mom's - mom rarely ever used sauerkraut although dad would have been okay with it. I know she always stayed away from adding vinegar to most of her dishes - if she wanted a little sour she'd add some "lee-man" - as mom says it, to the mix. She also cooked with a lot of sour cream. > > Eve > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com> wrote: > > Hi Eve, > > > > My morning talk with my mother today was about cabbage rolls. She also made them with tomato sause. She says she makes a thin roux . For the liquid she uses tomato past and water. She just covers the cabbage rolls with the liquid and bakes. > > > > I asked her about using sourkraut. She said that they never ate it like that at home like that. > > > > She says they always had a lot of homemade tomato paste in the pantry. > > > > Rita > > > > > > > From: evebrown@gmail.com > > Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 09:14:23 -0400 > > To: dreera@sympatico.ca > > CC: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Paradeis Soss > > > > > > What was the liquid used for this roux Anne? Was it tomato juice by chance? > > > > Eve > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Anne Dreer <dreera@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > > > Hello Eve, > > > In my family and the extended family we did not put (home made) tomato > > > sauce in cabbage rolls. They were made with sauerkraut, when available even > > > sauerkraut leaves from a whole head of sauerkraut cabbage. We made a roux > > > with medium browned flour and stirred paprika (naturally) in to the roux > > > before it was added to the cooked Sarma ( cabbage rolls). It was gently > > > stirred in and brought to a boil for a few minutes. > > > It is possible that other villages did it differently. For stuffed peppers > > > (Paprich Sarma) we added Paradeis Soss. > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/25/2014 10:35:36
    1. Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe
    2. Beth Tolfree

    3. Margaret: Some of the Stader volumes are still available from the AKDFF (check the information re the link below). http://dvhh.org/genealogy/emigrant_ref_books.htm#Stefan_Stader_Series However, not everyone registered in Vienna before immigrating and information on those who did doesn't always include place of origin. You can always post a request to the list for a Stader lookup. Beth Tolfree -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Bures Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 2:29 PM To: Linda Jaspersen Cc: DVHH Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe Linda, Where would I be able to find the Stadervolumes? I know my ancestors were from the Pfalz before they went to Yugoslavia and these records might be helpful in finding out where they originated from. Thank you. Margaret Rödler Bures Margaret >From my iPad > On Apr 24, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> wrote: > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The > heritage postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them > all - trying to catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about > little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they > were too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and > adapt to a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my > case... I also regret not asking the questions that might have > triggered more sharing of oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were > born in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to > the 1700’s, according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My > GF immigrant to Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his > widowed mother (my GGM) immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated > to Tonawanda, New York, in 1914, age 12 years; her father had > previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, and returned to Glogowatz for > the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife and 4 remaining children. > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > went to the German club but that it closed during WWII and never > reopened. There was distrust and fear at the time; many of the > neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting overseas. > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they > called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from > Austria-Hungary, never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. > One of my huge brick walls is trying to learn where in Germany my > ancestors emigrated from in the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been > able to find them in the Stadervolumes. > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have > been a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to > learn, particularly from listers with family memories of what life was > like in the Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > Thank You All, > > > Linda > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr > <jodymckimpharr@comcast .net> wrote: > >> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a Schwowe. >> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in >> the witness protection program. They would barely talk about >> anything. Papa would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to >> speak English "You are in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I >> started my family research quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the >> answers to my questions after those who had the answers had passed >> away. Because of our wonderful and knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. >> >> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have >> brick walls, post it onto the mail list. >> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to >> the entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can >> know where you are at in your search. >> >> Thanks for sharing, >> >> Jody McKim Pharr >> Woodstock, GA - USA >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: >> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM >> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >> >> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on >> telling us about the good eating and all the things that were done in >> and around his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. >> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my >> father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch >> (Academic German). >> >> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one >> with a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure >> enough with a need to dig and find out more. >> >> With kind regards, >> >> Tina Michel, >> Montreal >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> >> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; >> <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >> >> >>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps >>> up. I am getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived >>> and died. So many question to go and I will probably never have the >>> answers to most. I am not even sure how to know if we are >>> Donauschwaben or not. >>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who >>> lived in DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even >>> to their kids (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe >>> we weren't paying enough attention to remember. All I can tell you >>> is I wish I had had the foresight to ask or listen better. >>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to >>> help let me know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. >>> Thanks so much for all info and help! >>> Barb D. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: SusanM >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM >>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>> >>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It >>> has been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the >>> archives. I'm not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I >>> wanted to say thanks to people who have written on this thread. I'm >>> fascinated. >>> >>> >>> Susan M >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/25/2014 09:53:21
    1. Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe
    2. Fran Matkovich

    3. Well! Interesting! Your TREIS are from Hatzfeld! And note that if you can trace your TREIS back to the first few on this page, one is from Luxembourg and one is >From the Sauerland! See Hatzfeld Familienbuch CD: 12452 TREIS, Georg Eltern siehe <12468> t 24.01.1833 in Hf 8 30.05.1853 in Hf 136 FENDLER, Barbara Eltern siehe <2368> t 05.01.1834 in Hf Kind(er) a) Martin t 06.07.1853 Hnr 136 + 27.07.1853 in Hnr 136 b) Mathias * 11.04.1854 Hnr 136 + 11.04.1854 in Hnr 136 c) Johann t 14.03.1855 Hf 35 d) Anna t 16.02.1856 Hf 136 e) Peter * 01.02.1858 Hf 327 f) Barbara * 14.11.1859 Hf 327 + 13.04.1860 in Hf 327 g) Katharina * 02.01.1861 Hf 327 + 10.01.1861 in Hf 327 h) Katharina * 09.07.1862 Hf + 11.07.1866 in Hf 327 i) Nikolaus * 10.06.1864 Hf 327 j) Johann * 30.05.1866 Hf k) Friedrich * 30.05.1866 Hf + 12.07.1866 in Hf 327 12453 TREIS, Johann Georg * um. .1717 in Obersalwey,Sauerland + 31.03.1767 in HF WK als Hans Georg Dreisisch von Obersalmay (Obersalwey/Kr Meschede). In d. BStgl Nr.20:ein Frauen- , ein Kinderbegräbnis 8 TREIS*, Anna Eva * um. .1720 in Westfalen + 01.04.1780 in Hf 12454 TREIS, Peter * um. .1733 + 28.04.1803 in Hf WK 58/34 als Peter Dreiß von Lamingen/Luxemburg (Lenningen/Distr.Grevenmacher). In d.BStgl.Nr.177 eine Taufe 8 TREIS*, Margaretha * um. .1737 in Lenningen + 05.05.1792 in Hf Kind(er) a) Elisabeth t 15.12.1766 HF + 18.03.1803 in Hf Ehe siehe <601> b) Johann t um. .1769 + 28.09.1820 in Hf Ehe siehe <12456> c) Katharina t 26.03.1771 Hf + 26.02.1772 in Hf d) Peter t 03.02.1773 Hf + 12.03.1773 in Hf e) Mathias t 12.03.1774 Hf + 19.03.1774 in Hf f) Michael t 20.03.1775 Hf + 30.03.1775 in Hf g) Peter t 07.04.1776 Hf + 28.08.1824 in Hf Ehe siehe <12458> h) Michael t 07.08.1778 Hf + 14.03.1821 in Hf Ehe siehe <12459> 12455 TREIS, Margaretha * um. .1737 in Lenningen,Grevenmach + 05.05.1792 in Hf 12456 TREIS, Johann Eltern siehe <12454> t um. .1769 + 28.09.1820 in Hf 8 07.02.1792 in Hf SCHIRA, Katharina * um. .1777 Kind(er) a) Nikolaus t 08.07.1796 Hf + 02.06.1816 in Hf b) Peter t 25.11.1798 Hf Ehe siehe <12461> c) Michael t 01.02.1801 Hf + 01.09.1836 in Hf Ehe siehe <12464> d) Jakob t 17.01.1803 Hf e) Mathias t 12.02.1804 Hf + 06.08.1862 in Hf 632 8 2.Ehe siehe <12467> f) Johann t 04.10.1806 Hf 8 2.Ehe siehe <12469> g) Anna Maria t 08.10.1808 Hf Ehe siehe <5651> h) Katharina t 11.02.1812 Hf + 15.01.1813 in Hf i) Nikolaus t 06.03.1814 Hf + 11.09.1831 in Hf j) Peter t 03.07.1816 Hf Ehe siehe <12472> k) Josef t 10.09.1818 Hf Ehe siehe <12473> 12457 TREIS, Michael * um. .1776 + 14.03.1821 in Hf 12458 TREIS, Peter Eltern siehe <12454> t 07.04.1776 in Hf + 28.08.1824 in Hf 8 22.11.1796 in Hf PFEIFFER, Anna Maria weitere Ehe(n) <2113> <2064> * um. .1776 Kind(er) a) Elisabeth t 26.11.1797 Hf b) Peter t 23.02.1800 Hf + 25.09.1800 in Hf c) Barbara t 03.05.1802 Hf d) Katharina t 24.10.1804 Hf + 14.02.1805 in Hf e) Michael t 04.04.1806 Hf f) Anna Maria t 18.07.1808 Hf g) Katharina t 03.08.1810 Hf + 12.02.1890 in Hf Ehe siehe <3227> h) Angela t 22.09.1812 Hf i) Barbara t 25.02.1815 Hf + 19.03.1816 in Hf j) Margaretha t 09.03.1817 Hf k) Nikolaus t 19.01.1818 Hf l) Katharina t 28.08.1819 Hf m) Peter t 07.02.1821 Hf n) Katharina t 14.01.1822 Hf o) Anna * um. .1823 + 15.10.1827 in Hf 12459 TREIS, Michael Eltern siehe <12454> t 07.08.1778 in Hf + 14.03.1821 in Hf 8 03.05.1803 in Hf ZENGER, Barbara Eltern siehe <13821> weitere Ehe(n) <7313> t 10.11.1784 in Hf Kind(er) a) Johann t 01.10.1804 Hf + 07.10.1806 in Hf b) Susanna t 31.12.1806 Hf + 12.08.1839 in Hf Ehe siehe <11603> c) Margaretha t 22.10.1808 Hf + 27.03.1849 in Hf Ehe siehe <8051> d) Barbara t 23.03.1811 Hf Ehe siehe <8460> e) Anna Maria t 28.07.1813 Hf Ehe siehe <406> f) Katharina t 01.01.1816 Hf Ehe siehe <13374> g) Elisabeth t 06.07.1818 Hf 12460 TREIS, Johann * um. .1788 + 20.11.1806 in Hf 12461 TREIS, Peter Eltern siehe <12456> t 25.11.1798 in Hf 8 24.10.1815 in Hf RODEN (RODE), Anna Maria Eltern siehe <9595> * 24.10.1795 Kind(er) a) Magdalena t 27.07.1825 Hf b) Anna Maria t 10.10.1827 Hf c) Mathias t 28.08.1829 Hf + 31.10.1832 in Hf d) Franz t 30.11.1831 Hf + 29.12.1831 in Hf e) Johann t 16.04.1833 Ehe siehe <12475> 12462 TREIS, Peter * um. .1800 lebt(e) in Hf 21 8 10.02.1828 in Hf weitere Ehe(n) <12463> MICHELS, Susanna Eltern siehe <7537> weitere Ehe(n) <7319> t 09.07.1801 in Hf + 27.11.1841 in Hf Kind(er) a) Peter t 19.09.1830 Hf b) Nikolaus t 19.09.1830 Hf c) Katharina t 04.10.1832 Hf + 12.10.1832 in Hf d) Magdalena t 04.10.1832 Hf + 09.10.1832 in Hf e) Johann t 21.03.1834 Hf f) Anton * 23.07.1837 Hf 12463 TREIS, Peter * um. .1800 lebt(e) in Hf 21 28 07.02.1842 in Hf weitere Ehe(n) <12462> ACKERMANN, Katharina * um. .1818 in Deutsch-Zerne Kind(er) 1) Mathias * 09.11.1842 Hf 2) Magdalena * 18.06.1844 Hf + 16.06.1845 in Hf 3) Susanna t 10.02.1850 Hf 4) Josef * 20.05.1852 Hf 5) Johann * 27.08.1854 Hnr 29 12464 TREIS, Michael Eltern siehe <12456> t 01.02.1801 in Hf + 01.09.1836 in Hf 8 26.11.1826 in Hf SCHNUR, Anna * um. .1806 Kind(er) a) Barbara t 10.09.1827 Hf Ehe siehe <11869> b) Anton t 17.12.1828 Hf + 30.06.1849 in Hf c) Johann t 18.11.1830 Hf + 13.01.1831 in Hf d) Philipp t 23.05.1833 Hf Ehe siehe <12476> e) Anna Maria t 07.01.1835 Hf Ehe siehe <7166> f) Josef t 31.10.1836 Hf 12465 TREIS, Susanna * um. .1803 + 26.08.1806 in Hf 12466 TREIS (TREIß), Mathias Eltern siehe <12456> t 12.02.1804 in Hf + 06.08.1862 in Hf 632 8 22.09.1822 in Hf weitere Ehe(n) <12467> NEIDENBACH, Magdalena Eltern siehe <8096> t 16.01.1804 in Hf + 24.05.1850 in Hf 12467 TREIS (TREIß), Mathias Eltern siehe <12456> t 12.02.1804 in Hf + 06.08.1862 in Hf 632 28 12.08.1851 in Hf weitere Ehe(n) <12466> MILLBACH (ROSENHOFER), Margarethe Wwe. * um. .1804 in Lenauheim + 06.08.1862 in Hf 632 vorherige Ehe Rosenhofer? 12468 TREIS, Johann Eltern siehe <12456> t 04.10.1806 in Hf Bauer 8 30.05.1829 in Hf weitere Ehe(n) <12469> KAUFMANN, Barbara Eltern siehe <5003> t 10.09.1810 in Hf + 14.09.1849 in Hf Kind(er) a) Nikolaus t 14.03.1830 Hf b) Magdalena t 17.10.1831 Hf + 21.10.1831 in Hf c) Georg t 24.01.1833 Hf Ehe siehe <12452> d) Johann t 05.04.1835 Hf + 30.08.1841 in Hf e) Katharina t 16.05.1837 Hf Ehe siehe <6129> f) Nikolaus t 03.08.1839 Hf g) Peter * 16.02.1842 Hf + 24.11.1865 in Hf 204 Ehe siehe <12479> h) Anna * 10.02.1844 Hf + 23.11.1930 in Hf Ehe siehe <7616> i) Martin t 09.04.1846 Hf Ehe siehe <12480> j) Eva t 04.03.1848 Hf 12469 TREIS, Johann Eltern siehe <12456> t 04.10.1806 in Hf Bauer 28 24.04.1853 in Hf weitere Ehe(n) <12468> MARTIN, Margarethe Wwe. * um. .1805 vorherige Ehe unbekannt,Burghardt? 12470 TREIS, Anna t um. .1811 in Hf Kind(er) a) Nikolaus t 14.01.1829 Hf + 15.09.1830 in Hf 12471 TREIS, Anna Maria + um. .1812 in Hf + 15.01.1813 in Hf 12472 TREIS, Peter Eltern siehe <12456> t 03.07.1816 in Hf 8 18.01.1842 in Hf AUGENSTEIN, Katharina Eltern siehe <247> weitere Ehe(n) <8432> t 02.04.1810 in Hf 12473 TREIS, Josef Eltern siehe <12456> t 10.09.1818 in Hf Bauer 8 29.01.1839 in Hf FRANZEN, Gertrud Eltern siehe <2688> t 24.09.1818 in Hf + 10.09.1866 in Hf 712 Kind(er) a) Margaretha * 09.02.1841 Hf Ehe siehe <411> b) Magdalena * 20.06.1843 Hf Ehe siehe <639> c) Mathias t 25.12.1845 Hf + 14.07.1849 in Hf d) Katharina t 03.04.1848 Hf e) Anna t 09.07.1850 Hf f) Mathias t 30.11.1852 Hnr 413 g) Mathias * 22.07.1854 Hf 413 + 10.08.1855 in Hf 413 h) Josef t 26.05.1857 Hf 413 12474 TREIS (TREIs), Peter * um. .1826 Bauer 8 KUNSTABLER, Katharina t um. .1826 Kind(er) a) Michael t 08.11.1847 Hf 12475 TREIS, Johann Eltern siehe <12461> t 16.04.1833 8 18.11.1860 in Hf 80 MARTIN, Anna Maria Eltern siehe <7047> t 15.08.1837 in Hf Kind(er) a) Magdalene * 08.12.1861 Hf 80 b) Elisabeth * 02.12.1863 Hf 11 c) Johann * 14.02.1866 Hf 12476 TREIS, Philipp Eltern siehe <12464> t 23.05.1833 in Hf 8 27.11.1860 in Hf WEBER, Anna Juliana Eltern siehe <13062> t 10.06.1838 in Hf + 06.11.1864 in Hf 155 Kind(er) a) Katharina Martha * 13.10.1861 Hf 487 b) Juliana * 25.06.1863 Hf 478 + 25.06.1863 in Hf 478 12477 TREIS, Johann * um. .1839 8 HABELKA, Thekla * um. .1840 Kind(er) a) Franz * 21.11.1861 Hf 824 b) Stefan * um. .1863 + 06.09.1863 in Hf 12478 TREIS, Philipp * um. .1842 8 HANEK, Theresia * um. .1842 12479 TREIS, Peter Eltern siehe <12468> * 16.02.1842 in Hf + 24.11.1865 in Hf 204 8 02.03.1862 in Hf STEPHAN, Barbara Eltern siehe <11563> weitere Ehe(n) <12480> * 04.12.1842 in Hf Kind(er) a) Johann H 09.09.1862 Hf 204 b) Philipp * 09.05.1866 Hf 12480 TREIS, Martin Eltern siehe <12468> t 09.04.1846 in Hf 8 27.09.1866 in Hf STEPHAN, Barbara Eltern siehe <11563> weitere Ehe(n) <12479> * 04.12.1842 in Hf 12481 TREIS, Barbara * um. .1847 Kind(er) a) Franz * 06.05.1867 Hf 12482 TREIS, Johann * um. .1812 + 15.01.1813 in Hf Fran Matkovich -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ROGER WARD Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 10:37 AM To: er076@yahoo.ca Cc: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe My grandfather AntonTreis,was from Hatzfeld,Zsombolya, near Temeswar. My granddmother Elizabeth Korb, was born in Moritzfeld. I copied this from somewhere: TREIS ~ TREECE ~ TRICE trice English (Kent). perhaps a variant of Treece. Altered spelling of German Treis, a topographical name for someone who lived by, or owned an uncultivated piece of land used as pasture, from middle-low German "dreisch" 'fallow land', or a habitational name from a place named with this word (in Hessian dialect - treis), in Hesse or on the Mosel River. Alternately, in some instances it may be from a short form of the personal name Andreas (see Andrew). See Castle Treis ruin in Treis, a village on page "Mosel Islands". ------------------------------ On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 9:59 AM EDT Eric wrote: >Hi Roger, > >Do you know which town in the Banat your Tries/Treis ancestors came from? If they are from Traunau or a neighbouring town, I might have some information that would be helpful to you. I don't have any ancestors named Tries myself, but my grandfather's uncle was Peter Triess (1867-1948) of Traunau, and a cousin sent me his own family tree 25 years ago, and it shows many of his Triess ancestors back to Erasmus Dries (born ca.1750 in Sausenheim, Germany). > >Eric Ruppert > > >________________________________ > From: ROGER WARD <hummrhaven@verizon.net> >To: danielhilaire@hotmail.com; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 3:21:12 PM >Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > >As little research I have done on the Treis/Tries family, the first clue I saw was on maps showing a twin city in the Lorraine area called Treis-Karden! >That part of my family migrated from the Banat to Buffalo, NY, into the Black Rock German section of that city, in 1907. So how, I wonder, did that last name come about? Were they related to the people who founded that town around the Moselle region? I should not jump to that until I begin to trace down more immediate ancestors, and the immigration info is all I have to start with. As so many ethnic Germans did, my mother and her siblings were proud Americans, speaking only German in my grandparent's home. > Yet the name being Treis seems to be such a clue to their origin! > > > >------------------------------ >On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 1:16 PM EDT Daniel HILAIRE wrote: > >John, >Most of people coming from Alsace-Lorraine (in fact, Lorraine), didn't speak german when they arrived in Banat; they were speaking only french and same for their children; but, as the local administration, the army, sometimes the boys or the girls they married, were speaking german, they had to speak german and finally they lost their french language; so, 120-130 years after, when they arrived to US, they were speaking only german until... 120 years after, their descendants speak english and very few are able to speak german!Another point : Lorraine was not a part of France until 1766Last point : Germany, as a state, didn't exist before 1871; to obtain this, Bismark had to fight against Austria in 1866 (and again the french in 1870). So, there was no "german from Austria-Hungary". >But, as another member of the group explained very well a couple of days ago, it's too difficult for a Banater Schwaben to explain who he is really; so, let's people from Lorraine, speaking french, become... German from Austria. >Hope you'll pardon me for these points. >Bonne journée >Daniel Hilaire, Bordeaux > > > > From: jfschambre@comcast.net > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 08:53:15 -0700 > To: ljaspersen@gmail.com > CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > Linda: It is possible your family came from Alsace-Lorraine France where so many German speaking people lived and migrated to the Banat. I thought my family came from Germany too because, like yours, they always said they were German from Austria-Hungary. Well, they were German and, once they moved to the Banat, they were Austro-Hungarians but before that, probably back in the late 1600's or throughout the 1700 and 1800's they may have lived in France. It was quite a revelation to me. > > Interestingly, my family had relatives in Buffalo and Tonawanda too! Their family names were Bishop and Stetzer and, unfortunately I haven't been able to find out much about them. I remember them visiting us in Mansfield, Ohio (my home town) but we never went to New York to see them. So many mysteries to uncover! > > Best of luck in your research! > > John F. Schambre > San Francisco, CA > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The > > heritage postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them > > all - trying to catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments > > about little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. > > Perhaps they were too busy struggling to support their families, > > learn English, and adapt to a radically new life in their adopted > > country. And in my case... I also regret not asking the questions > > that might have triggered more sharing of oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were > > born in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to > > the 1700’s, according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. > > My GF immigrant to Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; > > his widowed mother (my GGM) immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM > > immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in 1914, age 12 years; her father > > had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, and returned to Glogowatz > > for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife and 4 remaining children. > > > > > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > > went to the German club but that it closed during WWII and never > > reopened. There was distrust and fear at the time; many of the > > neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting overseas. > > > > > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as > > they called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from > > Austria-Hungary, never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. > > One of my huge brick walls is trying to learn where in Germany my > > ancestors emigrated from in the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t > > been able to find them in the Stadervolumes. > > > > > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site > > have been a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something > > new to learn, particularly from listers with family memories of what > > life was like in the Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > > > > Thank You All, > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr > > <jodymckimpharr@comcast .net> wrote: > > > > Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a Schwowe. > > Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in > > the witness protection program. They would barely talk about > > anything. Papa would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to > > speak English "You are in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when > > I started my family research quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all > > the answers to my questions after those who had the answers had > > passed away. Because of our wonderful and knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > > > > This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have > > brick walls, post it onto the mail list. > > Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to > > the entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can > > know where you are at in your search. > > > > Thanks for sharing, > > > > Jody McKim Pharr > > Woodstock, GA - USA > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > > donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina > > Michel > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > > To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on > > telling us about the good eating and all the things that were done > > in and around his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. > > Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my > > father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch > > (Academic German). > > > > I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only > > one with a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and > > sure enough with a need to dig and find out more. > > > > With kind regards, > > > > Tina Michel, > > Montreal > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > > To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; > > <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > > > I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps > > up. I am getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived > > and died. So many question to go and I will probably never have the > > answers to most. I am not even sure how to know if we are > > Donauschwaben or not. > > I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who > > lived in DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even > > to their kids (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe > > we weren't paying enough attention to remember. All I can tell you > > is I wish I had had the foresight to ask or listen better. > > So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to > > help let me know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > > Thanks so much for all info and help! > > Barb D. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: SusanM > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > > To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It > > has been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the > > archives. I'm not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I > > wanted to say thanks to people who have written on this thread. I'm > > fascinated. > > > > > > Susan M > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > > message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/25/2014 09:17:56
    1. Re: [DVHH] DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES Digest, Vol 7, Issue 102
    2. Roy W Shiflet

    3. I Have just returned from Serbia, Romania, Bulgaria, and Macedonia My maternal grandmother was "German" but all the grants to the land in Banat were given my Maria Theresia (Austria-Hungary Empire) I have been there four times, and would highly recommend a trip. I have never had any problems. Please look at http://synergia.rs/node/86 Stasa Cvetkovic has been our dear friend for 7 years and has guided us on 4 trips. He has also done family research for me. I have photos I can share with you from Kudritz, Deutsch-Zerne, and Grabatz. Good luck in you travels. Roy W. Shiflet Laurel, Md From: Maria.Moore@sas.com > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 17:22:34 +0000 > Subject: [DVHH] Visiting Serbia/Romania > > I've been reading the list for about a year now and learning so much. Just recently I got brave enough to ask for help with my search. I was shocked by the wealth of information I received. I went from very little and thinking I had unsurmountable road blocks, to lots of information to keep me busy for some time. I'm grateful for everyone who has shared information with me. > > Both my grandparents died while I was very young so I barely remember them. Older cousins either didn't care of had incorrect information. In fact one cousin was quite upset with me when I 'claimed' they came from Austria Hungary. Since Grandma always said they were German, they must have come from Germany! (The kittens being born in the barn analogy was terrific.) Depending on when the legal documents were filled out, my Grandfather claimed he came from Hungary, Yugoslavia, or Serbia. > > Now based on records, pictures, and stories, I am trying to piece together the past - just like all of you. Being able to connect with a piece of the past and bring it to life is often emotional. My grandparents came from Nagykikinda and Soltour with their ancestors living in Marienfeld and other surrounding villages. I would love to visit the area now in Serbia and Romania. Being able to walk the streets, visit the cemeteries where ancestors are buried and make that connection would be priceless. In 2008 we were in Budapest but were told that Americans visiting Serbia wouldn't be very welcome at that time. Does anyone know what the political climate is at this time? Our son, age 21, will be in Budapest this summer. He has expressed interest in seeing where his ancestors came from. But I wasn't sure if I should encourage him at this point or not. Of course I'll be jealous if he makes it there before I do! > > Thanks to all for sharing your memories and insight with the rest of us, > Maria > ******

    04/25/2014 08:43:43
    1. Re: [DVHH] DP Camps
    2. Franz Bohn

    3. Rainer and all members, I would like to second Anne's comment about the DP camps. Having lived in one for close to 7 years, I can tell you it is an experience like no other. The life there spanned from extreme poverty and hopelessness to one success story after another, giving credence to the industriousness and strong will of the Donauschwaben people. It certainly offered me a foundation for a better life, although as a child, I never thought of it in that way. At DVHH we need to capture these experiences before that (my) generation disappears. I appeal to all our members to pursue these DP camp memories, from parents, uncles, aunts, grandparents and friends, or they will forever be lost. Thank You Franz Sent from my iPad > On Apr 25, 2014, at 11:27 AM, Anne Dreer <dreera@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > Hello Rainer, > It is great that you can remember visiting the displaced persons’ refugee camp. When you were older, did your grandparents ever talk to you about what it was like when they first arrived there. Most families only had a few household items, some with only the clothes on their backs. > Were your parents in a camp, too? If they are still alive perhaps you could ask them and submit their story. > > What we are trying to preserve on the DP camp site are the memories of the peoples’ lives in the camps. It is to give future generation an idea of their ancestors’ poverty, hunger and homelessness in a foreign county. > > Anne > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/25/2014 07:01:10
    1. Re: [DVHH] all about the "Kochloffel"
    2. Margaret Woody

    3. Hi Anne I can really relate to the "KOCHLOFFEL". My Mother never struck any of us kids--NEVER! But my oldest sister.....now, she was something else!!! When we were doing something wrong Mamma would take us aside and gently tell us the error of our ways. Sometimes I think Mamma knew the kochloffel too well. Mamma was an angel in girls clothing. Margaret FISCHLER-WOODY Oh, by the way..I have never made contact with my Canadian FISCHLER Cousins. I did hear from Barbara FISCHLER- DOLLAK and she referred me to Monica ERTL. I have never heard from Monica. I need to have a phone number or address for Monica or her Mom, Mary FISCHLER-ERTL. Thank you for connecting me to my cousins. Oh yes, another memory...when my family visited my Canadian cousins in 1951, Mary FISCHLER-ERTL's Mother fixed cherry sauce for the "Klein fleisch". Aunt Lani (sp) was a fabulous cook! All DS cooks know a secret--their cooking was marvelous!! -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Dreer Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 10:44 PM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Austro Hungarian Empire Mea Culpa! and a slap with a Kochlöffel. Anne Dreer From: JOHN GRUBER Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 10:22 PM To: Anne Dreer Subject: RE: [DVHH] Austro Hungarian Empire .... the end of World War I in 1918 > From: dreera@sympatico.ca > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 22:00:09 -0400 > Subject: [DVHH] Austro Hungarian Empire > > The Austro-Hungarian empire was dissolved at the end of World War II in 1918. > Serbia and Croatia and some of the other nearby states became the country Yugoslavia. > > Google Yugoslavia for more information. > > Anne D. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/25/2014 06:34:40
    1. Re: [DVHH] Displaced Persons Camps
    2. Margaret Bures

    3. A beautiful story! I wish someone would make a movie about the Danube Swabians! Stories like yours could be made into a great movie. Can you imagine it? Margaret >From my iPad > On Apr 24, 2014, at 7:30 PM, Gaby Curtis-Hayward <gabyh@adam.com.au> wrote: > > I suddenly remembered a little story I would like to share. > My parents immigrated to Australia in 1949 (aged 28) . They lived in Woodside, the immigration centre in the beautiful Adelaide hills for many years and then bought a house in the western suburbs. > When my mum was in her 50's, she was sitting at a bus stop in the city. A woman approached and sat next to my mother. They both said hello to each other although they did not know one another. > The woman said to my mother that she looked very familiar. > They started to talk and quickly discovered that they were born and grew up in the same village in Yugoslavia. > How bizarre, that they lived through the war, were at different DP camps, different immigration centres and lived in different districts but managed to sit at the same bus stop, at exactly the same time and EVEN recognise each other. > Of course the friendship continued. > Gaby > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 24 Apr 2014, at 8:43 am, "Jody McKim Pharr" <jodymckimpharr@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> Dear Lotte, >> >> Thank you for sharing some of the details of your life. I'd like to point >> you to the DVHH "Displaced Persons Camps" section, whereby you could submit >> your family's story of being in Haid and any photos they may have taken >> while there. >> SEE: http://www.dvhh.org/history/ds_camps/index.htm >> >> Jody McKim Pharr >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lotte >> Devlin >> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 4:17 PM >> To: monicaellis621@aol.com; terryb@tcn.net; >> donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Strudel >> >> >> I also have a strange (to me) story. We immigrated when I was 2 from an >> Austrian DP camp in Haid. Growing up there was a big DS community in >> Philadelphia, so we went to German school and German singing school on >> Saturdays, and "Tanzgruppe" on Tuesdays. >> So I learned all the old German folk songs. Though my mother was also a >> Donauschwaebin, her dialect was more Austrian than Schwowisch, so we spoke >> her dialect of German at home. I could understand Schwowisch, but speak it. >> >> >> The summer between my sophomore and junior year in college I spent the >> summer studying German in Iserlohn Germany at the Goetheinstitut. In my >> class, there were "Volksdeutsche" from Russia, Poland, Argentina, >> Czechoslovakia, etc. One night we had a cookout and we started singing >> these old songs, which all the Volksdeutsche knew perfectly. My German >> teacher (a "German" German) asked me where I learned all of these songs, and >> so perfectly. I proudly said that I'd learned them in singing school. He >> said, "you know, no one sings these songs in Germany any more today. You >> need to be careful where you sing them!" I was crushed! >> >> But I still sing them whenever I clean house, as we did at home growing up. >> My children even know some of them. I believe that the gift of heritage is >> a gift we owe our offspring! >> >> Lotte >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    04/25/2014 06:00:26