I am also very interesting in knowing what 'swabish' dialect was spoken in Weisenhaid and Blumenthal. My grandfather always said "We speak Swabish German so many who speak high german do not understand us", and it was true! I had friends who's parents were German and spoke high German and when they got together with my grandparents they had to speak English! :-) Good luck. Hope you can find an answer to your question. John John F. Schambre San Francisco, CA On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:46 PM, Barb D <bbd2424@gmail.com> wrote: > I forgot to ask this really dumb question ,but how do I know if my families are really donauschwaben and what dialect thy would have spoke. > There have been so many dialects refered to and I would like to know if there is a way to tell. > Sorry I have so many questions, but I am a very curious person and love quests. > Thanks again, > Barb D. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Eileen: Found your DNA story interesting as mine showed up as a big surprise too. My grandparents came to the US in 1914 from Wiesenhaid and they always told me 'we are German' period! I never heard of anything about ancestors in France, etc. But when I did my DNA the real surprise came: It shows that I am: 1/3 British Isles, 1/3 Northern European and 1/3 Southern European - which, according to Ancestry.com info means Italy, Spain, Portugal, etc. I didn't believe it either, so I had my my aunt and my sister take the tests too - their results came out very similar to mine, except for the Southern European. So, I had my mother do her DNA. Her father was Hungarian from the start - so I thought, but he had quite dark skin and now that I know there were all sorts of people living in Hungary in the 1800's I suspect my maternal grandfather had either Italian, Greek or possibly even Turkish blood in him and I'm nearly certain that is where my Southern European roots come from. Now, the British Isles really stumped me until a research told me that the name Chambre is very common in Ireland and england as far back as the 1300's!! I still have not confirmed that I had relatives from that area but I'm looking into it and, in fact, on Ancestry.com I was researching English records and hit upon a Chambre from the mid-late 1400's who was named as primary physician to King Kenry the 8th!! I laughed, thinking that I might have had a famous relaltive -- but that is going WAY back in time and I'll need a lot more than one document to make me believe he is of my family. So, especially if you are from the Alsace-Lorraine area, you may indeed have British blood in your line since I was advised that many French lived in Ireland and England back in those days. Oh, if only we could go back in time just to look and see for ourselves where we came from :-)) Don't worry too much though - at least for me I find the different DNA readings to be interesting but in my mind and heart I still believe my Grandfather: We are German! Period! :-)) All the best in your research. John John F. Schambre San Francisco, CA On Apr 27, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Eileen Simcox <easimcox@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I find the conversation regarding the history fascinating. I joined DVHH > several years ago, but I thought it was a yearly subscription? I've never > gotten a yearly notice to "re-up my membership"? So, I've felt guilty about > posting in the emails, as if I am eavesdropping? I would be happy to pay an > annual fee, if that is what is required . . . > > Many of you found my paternal line in the Familienbuch Kernei in der > Batschka (which I now own also). In my maternal line, three of my four > grandmothers are descended from the Luther line, also German. > > I recently had my DNA tested from ancestry.com and my results which should > have been "heavily German" were: Great Britain 72%, Italy/Greece 9%, Europe > West 9%, Trace Regions 14%. I was so upset at the results! I am German!!! I > am trying to find a way to either justify the results or negate them . . . > I recently heard a story on NPR from a black man whose DNA indicated that > he had 0% African. Has anyone else had this experience with DNA testing? > > Also, I am grateful for all of the recipes. My grandmother was a fantastic > cook and I so regret not learning the family recipes from her. I find the > recipes talked about here are what I remember eating at her house. I > especially regret not learning how to pull the strudel dough for poppy seed > strudel! :( > > Thank you, > Eileen Gauder Simcox > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Thank you, Nick As always, your summaries are very informative and helpful. There is so much to learn about the complicated history of "Germania", the "Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation", the colonization of the Banat, etc. It is definitely more than a little complicated. Linda On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Nick Tullius <ntullius@rogers.com> wrote: > Germany became a "Nation State" only in 1871, but "Germania" existed in > the Roman times (see what Roman writer Tacitus had to say about it and its > inhabitants: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/tacitus1.html > > Later, in the Middle Ages, the Holy Roman Empire came about when > Frankish king Charlemagne (German: Karl der Große) was crowned emperor, in > the year 800. It was a multi-ethnic complex of territories in central > Europe, its core and largest territory being the Kingdom of Germany. > In 1512 (Diet of Cologne), the name was officially changed to a > designation first used in a document in 1474: "Holy Roman Empire of the > German Nation" (German: Heiliges Römisches Reich Deutscher Nation, Latin: > Imperium Romanum Sacrum Nationis Germanicæ). > This empire lasted until 1806 and is known in German > historiography as the First German Empire (Erstes Deutsches Reich). > For more details see: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire > > The main colonization of the Banat took place in the period of > 1722 to 1787. During that time (actually until 1806 - see above) the > Habsburgs were emperors of the Holy Roman Empire described above. It is > true that the Habsburgs ruled over a composite state comprising territories > within and outside the Holy Roman Empire, united only in the person of the > monarch, with the dynastic capital Vienna (except from 1583 to 1611, when > it was Prague). > From 1804 to 1867 the Habsburg Monarchy was formally unified as > the Austrian Empire. > From 1867 to 1918 it was the Austro-Hungarian Empire. > > This little summary of history may explain the reason that the > majority of colonists to the Banat did not come from the "Austrian" > territories, but from the north-west of Germany. Some did come from Alsace > (Elsass), others from Lorraine (Lothringen); some spoke German, others > French. And some came from other Habsburg possessions and spoke Bosnian, > Croatian, Czech, Hungarian, Italian, > Polish, Romanian, Serbian, Slovak, Slovene, Ukrainian, or Yiddish. > > It is a complicated history, but I hope this summary helps just a little > bit. > > Nick Tullius > > > -----Original Message----- > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Jaspersen > Sent: 27-Apr-14 08:52 > To: Daniel HILAIRE > Cc: DVHH > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > Hi Daniel, > > Thank you for your informative response. I'm somewhat embarrassed that I > forgot so much of my European history regarding Austria-Hungary. Of > course... Germany did not exist as a state before 1871! I just now reviewed > an old atlas from that period. It was an important step forward in > understanding the historical background of both Austria-Hungary and the > Banat region. > > Your response also lead to my reviewing the details of the 1919 Treaty of > Versailles, resulting in Germany ceding many territories, including Alsace > and Lorraine, which they had annexed in 1871, after the Franco-Prussian > War. It sounds like you know your history very well, but I definitely > needed to go back and review it all. Your gentle nudge in the right > direction has pushed me forward to a better understanding of the historical > facts and boundaries, which are obviously very important in genealogy. > > Merci beaucoup! > > Linda > > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Daniel HILAIRE > <danielhilaire@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > John, > > > > Most of people coming from Alsace-Lorraine (in fact, Lorraine), didn't > > speak german when they arrived in Banat; they were speaking only > > french and same for their children; but, as the local administration, > > the army, sometimes the boys or the girls they married, were speaking > > german, they had to speak german and finally they lost their french > > language; so, > > 120-130 years after, when they arrived to US, they were speaking only > > german until... 120 years after, their descendants speak english and > > very few are able to speak german! > > Another point : Lorraine was not a part of France until 1766 Last > > point : Germany, as a state, didn't exist before 1871; to obtain this, > > Bismark had to fight against Austria in 1866 (and again the french in > > 1870). So, there was no "german from Austria-Hungary". > > > > But, as another member of the group explained very well a couple of > > days ago, it's too difficult for a Banater Schwaben to explain who he > > is really; so, let's people from Lorraine, speaking french, become... > > German from Austria. > > > > Hope you'll pardon me for these points. > > > > Bonne journée > > > > Daniel Hilaire, Bordeaux > > > > > > > > > > > From: jfschambre@comcast.net > > > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 08:53:15 -0700 > > > To: ljaspersen@gmail.com > > > CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > > > Linda: It is possible your family came from Alsace-Lorraine France > > > where > > so many German speaking people lived and migrated to the Banat. I > > thought my family came from Germany too because, like yours, they > > always said they were German from Austria-Hungary. Well, they were > > German and, once they moved to the Banat, they were Austro-Hungarians > > but before that, probably back in the late 1600's or throughout the > > 1700 and 1800's they may have lived in France. It was quite a revelation > to me. > > > > > > Interestingly, my family had relatives in Buffalo and Tonawanda too! > > Their family names were Bishop and Stetzer and, unfortunately I > > haven't been able to find out much about them. I remember them > > visiting us in Mansfield, Ohio (my home town) but we never went to New > York to see them. > > So many mysteries to uncover! > > > > > > Best of luck in your research! > > > > > > John F. Schambre > > > San Francisco, CA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The > > heritage > > > > postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - > > trying to > > > > catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments > > > > about little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. > > > > Perhaps they > > were > > > > too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and > > adapt to > > > > a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I > > > > also regret not asking the questions that might have triggered > > > > more sharing > > of > > > > oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents > > > > were > > born > > > > in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the > > 1700’s, > > > > according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF > > immigrant to > > > > Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed > > > > mother > > (my GGM) > > > > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New > > > > York, in 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated > > > > in 1906 & > > 1910, > > > > and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany > > > > his > > wife > > > > and 4 remaining children. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > > > > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older > > > > sister went to the German club but that it closed during WWII and > > > > never reopened. There was > > distrust > > > > and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers > > fighting > > > > overseas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as > > > > they called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from > > Austria-Hungary, > > > > never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge > > brick > > > > walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated > > > > from > > in > > > > the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > > > > Stadervolumes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site > > > > have > > been > > > > a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to > > > > learn, particularly from listers with family memories of what life > > > > was like > > in the > > > > Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank You All, > > > > > > > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr > > <jodymckimpharr@comcast > > > > .net> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a > > Schwowe. > > > >> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were > > > >> in > > the > > > >> witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. > > Papa > > > >> would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak > > > >> English > > "You are > > > >> in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family > > research > > > >> quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my > > > >> questions > > after > > > >> those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our > > > >> wonderful > > and > > > >> knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > > > >> > > > >> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you > > > >> have > > brick > > > >> walls, post it onto the mail list. > > > >> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back > > > >> to the entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to > > > >> help can know > > where > > > >> you are at in your search. > > > >> > > > >> Thanks for sharing, > > > >> > > > >> Jody McKim Pharr > > > >> Woodstock, GA - USA > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > > > >> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina > > > >> Michel > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > > > >> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > >> > > > >> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on > > telling > > > >> us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and > > around > > > >> his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why > > > >> and > > how. > > > >> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked > > > >> my father why he would speak schwowisch and not better > > > >> Hochdeutsch > > (Academic > > > >> German). > > > >> > > > >> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only > > > >> one > > with > > > >> a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure > > > >> enough > > with a > > > >> need to dig and find out more. > > > >> > > > >> With kind regards, > > > >> > > > >> Tina Michel, > > > >> Montreal > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > > > >> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; < > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > > > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it > > > >>> keeps > > up. I > > > >>> am > > > >>> getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and > > died. So > > > >>> many question to go and I will probably never have the answers > > > >>> to > > most. I > > > >>> am > > > >>> not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > > > >>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who > > lived in > > > >>> DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to > > > >>> their > > kids > > > >>> (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't > > > >>> paying enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I > > > >>> wish I had had > > the > > > >>> foresight to ask or listen better. > > > >>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to > > help let > > > >>> me > > > >>> know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > > > >>> Thanks so much for all info and help! > > > >>> Barb D. > > > >>> > > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>> From: SusanM > > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > > > >>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > > >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > >>> > > > >>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this > > > >>> discussion. It > > has > > > >>> been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the > > archives. I'm > > > >>> not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to > > > >>> say > > thanks > > > >>> to > > > >>> people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Susan M > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ------------------------------- > > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' > > > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Germany became a "Nation State" only in 1871, but "Germania" existed in the Roman times (see what Roman writer Tacitus had to say about it and its inhabitants: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/tacitus1.html Later, in the Middle Ages, the Holy Roman Empire came about when Frankish king Charlemagne (German: Karl der Große) was crowned emperor, in the year 800. It was a multi-ethnic complex of territories in central Europe, its core and largest territory being the Kingdom of Germany. In 1512 (Diet of Cologne), the name was officially changed to a designation first used in a document in 1474: "Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation" (German: Heiliges Römisches Reich Deutscher Nation, Latin: Imperium Romanum Sacrum Nationis Germanicæ). This empire lasted until 1806 and is known in German historiography as the First German Empire (Erstes Deutsches Reich). For more details see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire The main colonization of the Banat took place in the period of 1722 to 1787. During that time (actually until 1806 - see above) the Habsburgs were emperors of the Holy Roman Empire described above. It is true that the Habsburgs ruled over a composite state comprising territories within and outside the Holy Roman Empire, united only in the person of the monarch, with the dynastic capital Vienna (except from 1583 to 1611, when it was Prague). From 1804 to 1867 the Habsburg Monarchy was formally unified as the Austrian Empire. From 1867 to 1918 it was the Austro-Hungarian Empire. This little summary of history may explain the reason that the majority of colonists to the Banat did not come from the "Austrian" territories, but from the north-west of Germany. Some did come from Alsace (Elsass), others from Lorraine (Lothringen); some spoke German, others French. And some came from other Habsburg possessions and spoke Bosnian, Croatian, Czech, Hungarian, Italian, Polish, Romanian, Serbian, Slovak, Slovene, Ukrainian, or Yiddish. It is a complicated history, but I hope this summary helps just a little bit. Nick Tullius -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Jaspersen Sent: 27-Apr-14 08:52 To: Daniel HILAIRE Cc: DVHH Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe Hi Daniel, Thank you for your informative response. I'm somewhat embarrassed that I forgot so much of my European history regarding Austria-Hungary. Of course... Germany did not exist as a state before 1871! I just now reviewed an old atlas from that period. It was an important step forward in understanding the historical background of both Austria-Hungary and the Banat region. Your response also lead to my reviewing the details of the 1919 Treaty of Versailles, resulting in Germany ceding many territories, including Alsace and Lorraine, which they had annexed in 1871, after the Franco-Prussian War. It sounds like you know your history very well, but I definitely needed to go back and review it all. Your gentle nudge in the right direction has pushed me forward to a better understanding of the historical facts and boundaries, which are obviously very important in genealogy. Merci beaucoup! Linda On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Daniel HILAIRE <danielhilaire@hotmail.com>wrote: > John, > > Most of people coming from Alsace-Lorraine (in fact, Lorraine), didn't > speak german when they arrived in Banat; they were speaking only > french and same for their children; but, as the local administration, > the army, sometimes the boys or the girls they married, were speaking > german, they had to speak german and finally they lost their french > language; so, > 120-130 years after, when they arrived to US, they were speaking only > german until... 120 years after, their descendants speak english and > very few are able to speak german! > Another point : Lorraine was not a part of France until 1766 Last > point : Germany, as a state, didn't exist before 1871; to obtain this, > Bismark had to fight against Austria in 1866 (and again the french in > 1870). So, there was no "german from Austria-Hungary". > > But, as another member of the group explained very well a couple of > days ago, it's too difficult for a Banater Schwaben to explain who he > is really; so, let's people from Lorraine, speaking french, become... > German from Austria. > > Hope you'll pardon me for these points. > > Bonne journée > > Daniel Hilaire, Bordeaux > > > > > > From: jfschambre@comcast.net > > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 08:53:15 -0700 > > To: ljaspersen@gmail.com > > CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > Linda: It is possible your family came from Alsace-Lorraine France > > where > so many German speaking people lived and migrated to the Banat. I > thought my family came from Germany too because, like yours, they > always said they were German from Austria-Hungary. Well, they were > German and, once they moved to the Banat, they were Austro-Hungarians > but before that, probably back in the late 1600's or throughout the > 1700 and 1800's they may have lived in France. It was quite a revelation to me. > > > > Interestingly, my family had relatives in Buffalo and Tonawanda too! > Their family names were Bishop and Stetzer and, unfortunately I > haven't been able to find out much about them. I remember them > visiting us in Mansfield, Ohio (my home town) but we never went to New York to see them. > So many mysteries to uncover! > > > > Best of luck in your research! > > > > John F. Schambre > > San Francisco, CA > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The > heritage > > > postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - > trying to > > > catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments > > > about little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. > > > Perhaps they > were > > > too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and > adapt to > > > a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I > > > also regret not asking the questions that might have triggered > > > more sharing > of > > > oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > > > > > > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents > > > were > born > > > in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the > 1700’s, > > > according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF > immigrant to > > > Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed > > > mother > (my GGM) > > > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New > > > York, in 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated > > > in 1906 & > 1910, > > > and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany > > > his > wife > > > and 4 remaining children. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > > > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older > > > sister went to the German club but that it closed during WWII and > > > never reopened. There was > distrust > > > and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers > fighting > > > overseas. > > > > > > > > > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as > > > they called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from > Austria-Hungary, > > > never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge > brick > > > walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated > > > from > in > > > the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > > > Stadervolumes. > > > > > > > > > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site > > > have > been > > > a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to > > > learn, particularly from listers with family memories of what life > > > was like > in the > > > Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > > > > > > > Thank You All, > > > > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr > <jodymckimpharr@comcast > > > .net> wrote: > > > > > >> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a > Schwowe. > > >> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were > > >> in > the > > >> witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. > Papa > > >> would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak > > >> English > "You are > > >> in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family > research > > >> quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my > > >> questions > after > > >> those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our > > >> wonderful > and > > >> knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > > >> > > >> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you > > >> have > brick > > >> walls, post it onto the mail list. > > >> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back > > >> to the entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to > > >> help can know > where > > >> you are at in your search. > > >> > > >> Thanks for sharing, > > >> > > >> Jody McKim Pharr > > >> Woodstock, GA - USA > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > > >> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina > > >> Michel > > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > > >> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > >> > > >> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on > telling > > >> us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and > around > > >> his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why > > >> and > how. > > >> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked > > >> my father why he would speak schwowisch and not better > > >> Hochdeutsch > (Academic > > >> German). > > >> > > >> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only > > >> one > with > > >> a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure > > >> enough > with a > > >> need to dig and find out more. > > >> > > >> With kind regards, > > >> > > >> Tina Michel, > > >> Montreal > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > > >> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; < > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > >> > > >> > > >>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it > > >>> keeps > up. I > > >>> am > > >>> getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and > died. So > > >>> many question to go and I will probably never have the answers > > >>> to > most. I > > >>> am > > >>> not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > > >>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who > lived in > > >>> DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to > > >>> their > kids > > >>> (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't > > >>> paying enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I > > >>> wish I had had > the > > >>> foresight to ask or listen better. > > >>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to > help let > > >>> me > > >>> know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > > >>> Thanks so much for all info and help! > > >>> Barb D. > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: SusanM > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > > >>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > >>> > > >>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this > > >>> discussion. It > has > > >>> been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the > archives. I'm > > >>> not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to > > >>> say > thanks > > >>> to > > >>> people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Susan M > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

P.S. Roger, I forgot to mention that my GF Fiala, like your Treis/Tries family, also immigrated from the Banat to the Black Rock German section of Buffalo. He immigrated as a minor in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother previously immigrated in 1907, the same year as your family from the Banat. I agree with your conclusion that the surname must be a big clue to our families' origins. It's such an obvious thing that I wonder how I could have missed giving it more thought. Thank you for your insight. Linda On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com>wrote: > Hi Roger, > > This whole discussion about Alsace-Lorraine has encouraged a broader > perspective and the need to think about the possibility that our > German-speaking ancestors might have originated in many other areas. > > For example, one of my main 4 maternal surnames is FIALA, which can be > traced back to the 1700's in the Banat. Whenever I've googled that family > surname, I came up with many Italian responses! Truthfully, the name > doesn't sound typically German, but I never questioned it because they > spoke German in the home and identified themselves as of German heritage > from Austria-Hungary... I realize now that I have no idea where they > originally came from before arriving in the Banat many generations ago. > This genealogy search and discussion is continually turning up many > surprising insights which will hopefully lead to some new discoveries for > all of us. > > Thank you everyone, > > Linda > > > On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 9:21 AM, ROGER WARD <hummrhaven@verizon.net>wrote: > >> >> As little research I have done on the Treis/Tries family, the first clue >> I saw was on maps showing a twin city in the Lorraine area called >> Treis-Karden! >> That part of my family migrated from the Banat to Buffalo, NY, into the >> Black Rock German section of that city, in 1907. So how, I wonder, did that >> last name come about? Were they related to the people who founded that town >> around the Moselle region? I should not jump to that until I begin to trace >> down more immediate ancestors, and the immigration info is all I have to >> start with. As so many ethnic Germans did, my mother and her siblings were >> proud Americans, speaking only German in my grandparent's home. >> Yet the name being Treis seems to be such a clue to their origin! >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 1:16 PM EDT Daniel HILAIRE wrote: >> >> >John, >> >Most of people coming from Alsace-Lorraine (in fact, Lorraine), didn't >> speak german when they arrived in Banat; they were speaking only french and >> same for their children; but, as the local administration, the army, >> sometimes the boys or the girls they married, were speaking german, they >> had to speak german and finally they lost their french language; so, >> 120-130 years after, when they arrived to US, they were speaking only >> german until... 120 years after, their descendants speak english and very >> few are able to speak german!Another point : Lorraine was not a part of >> France until 1766Last point : Germany, as a state, didn't exist before >> 1871; to obtain this, Bismark had to fight against Austria in 1866 (and >> again the french in 1870). So, there was no "german from Austria-Hungary". >> >But, as another member of the group explained very well a couple of days >> ago, it's too difficult for a Banater Schwaben to explain who he is really; >> so, let's people from Lorraine, speaking french, become... German from >> Austria. >> >Hope you'll pardon me for these points. >> >Bonne journée >> >Daniel Hilaire, Bordeaux >> > >> > >> > >> > From: jfschambre@comcast.net >> > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 08:53:15 -0700 >> > To: ljaspersen@gmail.com >> > CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >> > >> > Linda: It is possible your family came from Alsace-Lorraine France >> where so many German speaking people lived and migrated to the Banat. I >> thought my family came from Germany too because, like yours, they always >> said they were German from Austria-Hungary. Well, they were German and, >> once they moved to the Banat, they were Austro-Hungarians but before that, >> probably back in the late 1600's or throughout the 1700 and 1800's they may >> have lived in France. It was quite a revelation to me. >> > >> > Interestingly, my family had relatives in Buffalo and Tonawanda too! >> Their family names were Bishop and Stetzer and, unfortunately I haven't >> been able to find out much about them. I remember them visiting us in >> Mansfield, Ohio (my home town) but we never went to New York to see them. >> So many mysteries to uncover! >> > >> > Best of luck in your research! >> > >> > John F. Schambre >> > San Francisco, CA >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The >> heritage >> > > postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - >> trying to >> > > catch up after the busy Easter holiday. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about >> > > little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they >> were >> > > too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and >> adapt to >> > > a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I >> also >> > > regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more >> sharing of >> > > oral history before my grandparents died. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were >> born >> > > in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the >> 1700’s, >> > > according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF >> immigrant to >> > > Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother >> (my GGM) >> > > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, >> in >> > > 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & >> 1910, >> > > and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his >> wife >> > > and 4 remaining children. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no >> > > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister >> > > went to the German >> > > club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was >> distrust >> > > and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers >> fighting >> > > overseas. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they >> > > called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from >> Austria-Hungary, >> > > never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge >> brick >> > > walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from >> in >> > > the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the >> > > Stadervolumes. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have >> been >> > > a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, >> > > particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like >> in the >> > > Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. >> > > >> > > >> > > Thank You All, >> > > >> > > >> > > Linda >> > > >> > > >> > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr >> <jodymckimpharr@comcast >> > > .net> wrote: >> > > >> > > Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a >> Schwowe. >> > > Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in >> the >> > > witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. >> Papa >> > > would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English >> "You are >> > > in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family >> research >> > > quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions >> after >> > > those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful >> and >> > > knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. >> > > >> > > This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have >> brick >> > > walls, post it onto the mail list. >> > > Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the >> > > entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know >> where >> > > you are at in your search. >> > > >> > > Thanks for sharing, >> > > >> > > Jody McKim Pharr >> > > Woodstock, GA - USA >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: >> > > donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel >> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM >> > > To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >> > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >> > > >> > > I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on >> telling >> > > us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and >> around >> > > his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and >> how. >> > > Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my >> > > father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch >> (Academic >> > > German). >> > > >> > > I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one >> with >> > > a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough >> with a >> > > need to dig and find out more. >> > > >> > > With kind regards, >> > > >> > > Tina Michel, >> > > Montreal >> > > >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> >> > > To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; < >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM >> > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >> > > >> > > >> > > I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps >> up. I >> > > am >> > > getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. >> So >> > > many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to >> most. I >> > > am >> > > not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. >> > > I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who >> lived in >> > > DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their >> kids >> > > (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying >> > > enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had >> the >> > > foresight to ask or listen better. >> > > So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help >> let >> > > me >> > > know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. >> > > Thanks so much for all info and help! >> > > Barb D. >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: SusanM >> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM >> > > To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >> > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >> > > >> > > I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It >> has >> > > been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. >> I'm >> > > not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say >> thanks >> > > to >> > > people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. >> > > >> > > >> > > Susan M >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' >> > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > >> >------------------------------- >> >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Hi Roger, This whole discussion about Alsace-Lorraine has encouraged a broader perspective and the need to think about the possibility that our German-speaking ancestors might have originated in many other areas. For example, one of my main 4 maternal surnames is FIALA, which can be traced back to the 1700's in the Banat. Whenever I've googled that family surname, I came up with many Italian responses! Truthfully, the name doesn't sound typically German, but I never questioned it because they spoke German in the home and identified themselves as of German heritage from Austria-Hungary... I realize now that I have no idea where they originally came from before arriving in the Banat many generations ago. This genealogy search and discussion is continually turning up many surprising insights which will hopefully lead to some new discoveries for all of us. Thank you everyone, Linda On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 9:21 AM, ROGER WARD <hummrhaven@verizon.net> wrote: > > As little research I have done on the Treis/Tries family, the first clue I > saw was on maps showing a twin city in the Lorraine area called > Treis-Karden! > That part of my family migrated from the Banat to Buffalo, NY, into the > Black Rock German section of that city, in 1907. So how, I wonder, did that > last name come about? Were they related to the people who founded that town > around the Moselle region? I should not jump to that until I begin to trace > down more immediate ancestors, and the immigration info is all I have to > start with. As so many ethnic Germans did, my mother and her siblings were > proud Americans, speaking only German in my grandparent's home. > Yet the name being Treis seems to be such a clue to their origin! > > > > ------------------------------ > On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 1:16 PM EDT Daniel HILAIRE wrote: > > >John, > >Most of people coming from Alsace-Lorraine (in fact, Lorraine), didn't > speak german when they arrived in Banat; they were speaking only french and > same for their children; but, as the local administration, the army, > sometimes the boys or the girls they married, were speaking german, they > had to speak german and finally they lost their french language; so, > 120-130 years after, when they arrived to US, they were speaking only > german until... 120 years after, their descendants speak english and very > few are able to speak german!Another point : Lorraine was not a part of > France until 1766Last point : Germany, as a state, didn't exist before > 1871; to obtain this, Bismark had to fight against Austria in 1866 (and > again the french in 1870). So, there was no "german from Austria-Hungary". > >But, as another member of the group explained very well a couple of days > ago, it's too difficult for a Banater Schwaben to explain who he is really; > so, let's people from Lorraine, speaking french, become... German from > Austria. > >Hope you'll pardon me for these points. > >Bonne journée > >Daniel Hilaire, Bordeaux > > > > > > > > From: jfschambre@comcast.net > > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 08:53:15 -0700 > > To: ljaspersen@gmail.com > > CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > Linda: It is possible your family came from Alsace-Lorraine France > where so many German speaking people lived and migrated to the Banat. I > thought my family came from Germany too because, like yours, they always > said they were German from Austria-Hungary. Well, they were German and, > once they moved to the Banat, they were Austro-Hungarians but before that, > probably back in the late 1600's or throughout the 1700 and 1800's they may > have lived in France. It was quite a revelation to me. > > > > Interestingly, my family had relatives in Buffalo and Tonawanda too! > Their family names were Bishop and Stetzer and, unfortunately I haven't > been able to find out much about them. I remember them visiting us in > Mansfield, Ohio (my home town) but we never went to New York to see them. > So many mysteries to uncover! > > > > Best of luck in your research! > > > > John F. Schambre > > San Francisco, CA > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The > heritage > > > postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - > trying to > > > catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about > > > little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they > were > > > too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and > adapt to > > > a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also > > > regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing > of > > > oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > > > > > > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were > born > > > in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the > 1700’s, > > > according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF > immigrant to > > > Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother > (my GGM) > > > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in > > > 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & > 1910, > > > and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his > wife > > > and 4 remaining children. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > > > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > > > went to the German > > > club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was > distrust > > > and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers > fighting > > > overseas. > > > > > > > > > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they > > > called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from > Austria-Hungary, > > > never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge > brick > > > walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from > in > > > the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > > > Stadervolumes. > > > > > > > > > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have > been > > > a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, > > > particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like > in the > > > Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > > > > > > > Thank You All, > > > > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr > <jodymckimpharr@comcast > > > .net> wrote: > > > > > > Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a > Schwowe. > > > Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the > > > witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. > Papa > > > would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English > "You are > > > in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family > research > > > quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions > after > > > those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and > > > knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > > > > > > This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have > brick > > > walls, post it onto the mail list. > > > Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the > > > entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know > where > > > you are at in your search. > > > > > > Thanks for sharing, > > > > > > Jody McKim Pharr > > > Woodstock, GA - USA > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > > > donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > > > To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > > > I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on > telling > > > us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and > around > > > his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and > how. > > > Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my > > > father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch > (Academic > > > German). > > > > > > I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one > with > > > a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough > with a > > > need to dig and find out more. > > > > > > With kind regards, > > > > > > Tina Michel, > > > Montreal > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > > > To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > > > > > > I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps > up. I > > > am > > > getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. > So > > > many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to > most. I > > > am > > > not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > > > I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived > in > > > DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their > kids > > > (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying > > > enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had > the > > > foresight to ask or listen better. > > > So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help > let > > > me > > > know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > > > Thanks so much for all info and help! > > > Barb D. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: SusanM > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > > > To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > > > I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It > has > > > been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. > I'm > > > not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say > thanks > > > to > > > people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > > > > > > > > > Susan M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Tina, Thank you for the information on the history of the area of Lorraine. I have a genealogy help group on Facebook for Lorraine and I was wondering if I might copy your letter (with full credit to you of course) and post it in my group to assist people. Yours is the best explanation of the history of the region I have seen. Peggy Doyle --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: tranpro@primus.ca CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com To: jfschambre@comcast.net; milpegg@centurytel.net Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 00:48:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [DVHH] Marienfeld look-up please If I may add a precision. I was born in Metz, Departement of Moselle, Lorraine Region (Lothringen, Mosel in German). This region, let's say, is part of France since the end of WWII, but was once an independent Duchy. It was much bigger in size at the time of the 3 grandsons of Karl the Great (Charlemagne - around 840 and even after for some centuries), King of the Franks (germanic tribe). After the death of Louis the son of Karl the Great, his empire was divided into three and given to his 3 sons. Lorraine/Lothringer was given to Lothar or Lothaire in French (that's where the name of the region comes from): see Wiki for more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorraine_(region). The Land of Saar (German Saarland - French la Sarre), used to be part of Lorraine for a short period only, but this is not what is called the German Lorraine (Deutsch Lothringen). It is only the Departement of Moselle that was always called the German Lorraine. This is one of the 4 departements that compose the Region of Lorraine. Alsace is a different region (given to Louis the German, brother of Lothar), is even more germanic (Alemanni). You will find very interesting facts reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsace. In 1940, the Departement of Moselle and the Region of Alsace were considered German de facto. After 1945, these two returned to France. In regards to Alsace-Lorraine (Elsass-Lothringen in German) - this is also a short-lived expression. It lasted only as long as the Prussians controlled the area (1870-1918), although it would be more accurate to say Alsace-Moselle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsace-Lorraine. So if anyone of you thinks that his ancestors could have come from Lorraine, they may indeed have spoken either French or German, whereas for Alsace, it is more likely they have spoken a german dialekt (close enough, in some villages, to the Schwowisch dialekt). I hope this has helped clarify some misunderstandings. Best regards to all the group. Tina Michel, Montreal ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Schambre" <jfschambre@comcast.net> To: "Peggy" <milpegg@centurytel.net> Cc: "DVHH Mail List" <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [DVHH] Marienfeld look-up please Hi Peggy: I don't know anything about Marienfeld but I do know that Lothringen is the name given to the area in Alsace-Lorraine France where many 'german speaking' people lived and eventually migrated to the Banat. I found my family there too! I'm sure you will hear from other regarding marienfeld as it appears there are quite a few listers who are familiar with that town. Best of luck! John F. Schambre San Francisco, CA

To All List Members: The DVHH website has a good section devoted to Alsace-Lorraine with much information, maps and links to other sources. http://dvhh.org/genealogy/alsace-lorraine.htm Beth Tolfree www.dvhh.org/apatin/ -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peggy Doyle Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 7:27 AM To: donauschwaben village list Subject: [DVHH] History of Lorraine Hi Tina, Thank you for the information on the history of the area of Lorraine. I have a genealogy help group on Facebook for Lorraine and I was wondering if I might copy your letter (with full credit to you of course) and post it in my group to assist people. Yours is the best explanation of the history of the region I have seen. Peggy Doyle --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: tranpro@primus.ca CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com To: jfschambre@comcast.net; milpegg@centurytel.net Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 00:48:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [DVHH] Marienfeld look-up please If I may add a precision. I was born in Metz, Departement of Moselle, Lorraine Region (Lothringen, Mosel in German). This region, let's say, is part of France since the end of WWII, but was once an independent Duchy. It was much bigger in size at the time of the 3 grandsons of Karl the Great (Charlemagne - around 840 and even after for some centuries), King of the Franks (germanic tribe). After the death of Louis the son of Karl the Great, his empire was divided into three and given to his 3 sons. Lorraine/Lothringer was given to Lothar or Lothaire in French (that's where the name of the region comes from): see Wiki for more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorraine_(region). The Land of Saar (German Saarland - French la Sarre), used to be part of Lorraine for a short period only, but this is not what is called the German Lorraine (Deutsch Lothringen). It is only the Departement of Moselle that was always called the German Lorraine. This is one of the 4 departements that compose the Region of Lorraine. Alsace is a different region (given to Louis the German, brother of Lothar), is even more germanic (Alemanni). You will find very interesting facts reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsace. In 1940, the Departement of Moselle and the Region of Alsace were considered German de facto. After 1945, these two returned to France. In regards to Alsace-Lorraine (Elsass-Lothringen in German) - this is also a short-lived expression. It lasted only as long as the Prussians controlled the area (1870-1918), although it would be more accurate to say Alsace-Moselle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsace-Lorraine. So if anyone of you thinks that his ancestors could have come from Lorraine, they may indeed have spoken either French or German, whereas for Alsace, it is more likely they have spoken a german dialekt (close enough, in some villages, to the Schwowisch dialekt). I hope this has helped clarify some misunderstandings. Best regards to all the group. Tina Michel, Montreal ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Schambre" <jfschambre@comcast.net> To: "Peggy" <milpegg@centurytel.net> Cc: "DVHH Mail List" <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [DVHH] Marienfeld look-up please Hi Peggy: I don't know anything about Marienfeld but I do know that Lothringen is the name given to the area in Alsace-Lorraine France where many 'german speaking' people lived and eventually migrated to the Banat. I found my family there too! I'm sure you will hear from other regarding marienfeld as it appears there are quite a few listers who are familiar with that town. Best of luck! John F. Schambre San Francisco, CA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Tina, Thank you for your very kind offer to help me with any problems in translating from French to English. I actually studied 3-years of French in high school. (Yes... we typically start too late learning foreign languages in the U.S.) My family and I visited Montreal while I was still in high school (more than a few years ago) and I was very excited about the prospect of practicing and improving my high school French. I remember being somewhat frustrated in my amateur attempts to communicate and be clearly understood. Apparently my high school French and/or accent was so bad (different?) from the dialect spoken there that I had more than a little trouble communicating, unless they were fluent in English. Anyways, the entire family had quite a lot of fun visiting your beautiful, exciting, and vibrant city. Merci beaucoup! Linda On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Tina Michel <tranpro@primus.ca> wrote: > Dear Linda and John, > > Welcome to surprises! My father was born in Neudorf bei Vinkovci in 1913. > At that time, it belonged already to Syrmia, but when my ancestor settled > there in 1819 this village was still in Slavonia part of Austria Hungary. > > I am searching for the village in which my ancestor was born, and > surprisingly all results seem to point towards Lorraine/France, and more > precisely the Departement of Moselle (Département de la Moselle bordering > Alsace and Germany). Without knowing all that, my father came to this > region after the WWII to start a new life. I was born later, and so it > looks like the loop has been closed! > > In my native region, there are many people still speaking german (germanic > dialects). At home, we spoke at least 3 different dialects. My mom would > speak Alsatian, my father Schwowisch, and myself sometimes Hochdeutsch > sometimes Lothringerisch (this one is close to the Saarlandisch dialect) > depending on the context in which I was. We Moselle-Lothringer and also > Alsatians people are still not considered real French. It was always so > througout history. I guess the state of imperfection we humans are in > doesn't help us sometimes for trying to improve our relationships. > However, it is great to see how the rich past of our ancestors get us > together as a community. > > Linda, if you ever search a French Website and need to have something > translated from French to English, I'll be glad to help. > > Best to all of you. > > Tina Michel, > Montreal, Canada > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Schambre" <jfschambre@comcast.net > > > To: "Linda Jaspersen" <ljaspersen@gmail.com> > Cc: "DVHH" <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 11:53 AM > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > Linda: It is possible your family came from Alsace-Lorraine France where > so many German speaking people lived and migrated to the Banat. I thought > my family came from Germany too because, like yours, they always said they > were German from Austria-Hungary. Well, they were German and, once they > moved to the Banat, they were Austro-Hungarians but before that, probably > back in the late 1600's or throughout the 1700 and 1800's they may have > lived in France. It was quite a revelation to me. > > Interestingly, my family had relatives in Buffalo and Tonawanda too! > Their family names were Bishop and Stetzer and, unfortunately I haven't > been able to find out much about them. I remember them visiting us in > Mansfield, Ohio (my home town) but we never went to New York to see them. > So many mysteries to uncover! > > Best of luck in your research! > > John F. Schambre > San Francisco, CA > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> wrote: > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage >> postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying >> to >> catch up after the busy Easter holiday. >> >> >> >> Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about >> little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were >> too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to >> a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also >> regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of >> oral history before my grandparents died. >> >> >> >> Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born >> in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, >> according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to >> Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my >> GGM) >> immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in >> 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, >> and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife >> and 4 remaining children. >> >> >> >> There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no >> Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister >> went to the German >> club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust >> and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting >> overseas. >> >> >> >> When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they >> called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from >> Austria-Hungary, >> never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick >> walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in >> the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the >> Stadervolumes. >> >> >> >> All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been >> a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, >> particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in >> the >> Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. >> >> >> Thank You All, >> >> >> Linda >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast >> .net> wrote: >> >> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a >>> Schwowe. >>> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the >>> witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa >>> would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You >>> are >>> in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research >>> quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after >>> those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and >>> knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. >>> >>> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have >>> brick >>> walls, post it onto the mail list. >>> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the >>> entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know >>> where >>> you are at in your search. >>> >>> Thanks for sharing, >>> >>> Jody McKim Pharr >>> Woodstock, GA - USA >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: >>> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM >>> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>> >>> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling >>> us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around >>> his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. >>> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my >>> father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic >>> German). >>> >>> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one >>> with >>> a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with >>> a >>> need to dig and find out more. >>> >>> With kind regards, >>> >>> Tina Michel, >>> Montreal >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> >>> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>> >>> >>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. >>>> I >>>> am >>>> getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. So >>>> many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to most. >>>> I >>>> am >>>> not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. >>>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived >>>> in >>>> DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their kids >>>> (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying >>>> enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had >>>> the >>>> foresight to ask or listen better. >>>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help >>>> let >>>> me >>>> know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. >>>> Thanks so much for all info and help! >>>> Barb D. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: SusanM >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM >>>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >>>> >>>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It has >>>> been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. >>>> I'm >>>> not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say thanks >>>> to >>>> people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. >>>> >>>> >>>> Susan M >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ----- > Aucun virus trouvé dans ce message. > Analyse effectuée par AVG - www.avg.fr > Version: 2013.0.3468 / Base de données virale: 3722/7388 - Date: 24/04/2014 > > >

Hi again I was wondering if anyone has received my request and can help me. MY Mother, GISELLA HERMANN, born Torda Yugoslavia 1921, Religion CATHOLIC. BORN TO STEFAN HERMAN, MOTHER UNKNOWN MY Father, KARL Or (KAROLY) SOTI, born Devavanya Hungary 1920, Religion PROTESTANT. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Gaby Sent from my iPad

Hi Margaret, Sorry I missed your question about the Stader volumes, but see that Beth answered it very nicely. As Beth suggested, I posted my questions to the list and people that own the various volumes were very helpful in doing a look-up. DVHH has a wonderful group of informative and helpful experts and people learning from each other! Good luck with your research, Linda On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Margaret Bures <bures@att.net> wrote: > Linda, > > Where would I be able to find the Stadervolumes? > > I know my ancestors were from the Pfalz before they went to Yugoslavia and > these records might be helpful in finding out where they originated from. > > Thank you. > > Margaret Rödler Bures > > > Margaret > From my iPad > > > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage > > postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying > to > > catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about > > little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they > were > > too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt > to > > a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also > > regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of > > oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born > > in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the > 1700’s, > > according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant > to > > Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my > GGM) > > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in > > 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, > > and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife > > and 4 remaining children. > > > > > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > > went to the German > > club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was > distrust > > and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting > > overseas. > > > > > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they > > called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from > Austria-Hungary, > > never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick > > walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in > > the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > > Stadervolumes. > > > > > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have > been > > a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, > > particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in > the > > Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > > > > Thank You All, > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast > > .net> wrote: > > > >> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a > Schwowe. > >> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the > >> witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa > >> would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You > are > >> in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family > research > >> quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after > >> those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and > >> knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > >> > >> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have > brick > >> walls, post it onto the mail list. > >> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the > >> entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know > where > >> you are at in your search. > >> > >> Thanks for sharing, > >> > >> Jody McKim Pharr > >> Woodstock, GA - USA > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > >> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > >> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >> > >> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling > >> us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around > >> his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and > how. > >> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my > >> father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch > (Academic > >> German). > >> > >> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one > with > >> a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough > with a > >> need to dig and find out more. > >> > >> With kind regards, > >> > >> Tina Michel, > >> Montreal > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > >> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >> > >> > >>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps > up. I > >>> am > >>> getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. > So > >>> many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to > most. I > >>> am > >>> not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > >>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived > in > >>> DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their > kids > >>> (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying > >>> enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had > the > >>> foresight to ask or listen better. > >>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help > let > >>> me > >>> know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > >>> Thanks so much for all info and help! > >>> Barb D. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: SusanM > >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > >>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > >>> > >>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It > has > >>> been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. > I'm > >>> not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say > thanks > >>> to > >>> people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > >>> > >>> > >>> Susan M > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks to everyone who has posted information about the history of Lorraine. I also have ancestors from Lothringen and the posts have cleared up a lot of confusion. Barb Koch >________________________________ > From: Peggy Doyle <pegdoyle@hotmail.com> >To: donauschwaben village list <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 10:27 AM >Subject: [DVHH] History of Lorraine > > > > >Hi Tina, >Thank you for the information on the history of the area of Lorraine. I have a genealogy help group on Facebook for Lorraine and I was wondering if I might copy your letter (with full credit to you of course) and post it in my group to assist people. Yours is the best explanation of the history of the region I have seen. > >Peggy Doyle > >--Forwarded Message Attachment-- >From: tranpro@primus.ca >CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >To: jfschambre@comcast.net; milpegg@centurytel.net >Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 00:48:00 -0400 >Subject: Re: [DVHH] Marienfeld look-up please > >If I may add a precision.  I was born in Metz, Departement of Moselle, >Lorraine Region (Lothringen, Mosel in German).  This region, let's say, is >part of France since the end of WWII, but was once an independent Duchy. > >It was much bigger in size at the time of the 3 grandsons of Karl the Great >(Charlemagne - around 840 and even after for some centuries), King of the >Franks (germanic tribe).  After the death of Louis the son of Karl the >Great, his empire was divided into three and given to his 3 sons. >Lorraine/Lothringer was given to Lothar or Lothaire in French (that's where >the name of the region comes from): see Wiki for more info: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorraine_(region). > >The Land of Saar (German Saarland - French la Sarre), used to be part of >Lorraine for a short period only, but this is not what is called the German >Lorraine (Deutsch Lothringen).  It is only the Departement of Moselle that >was always called the German Lorraine. This is one of the 4 departements >that compose the Region of Lorraine.  Alsace is a different region  (given >to Louis the German, brother of Lothar), is even more germanic (Alemanni). >You will find very interesting facts reading: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsace. In 1940, the Departement of Moselle >and the Region of Alsace were considered German de facto.  After 1945, these >two returned to France. > >In regards to Alsace-Lorraine (Elsass-Lothringen in German) - this is also a >short-lived expression.  It lasted only as long as the Prussians controlled >the area (1870-1918), although it would be more accurate to say >Alsace-Moselle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsace-Lorraine. > >So if anyone of you thinks that his ancestors could have come from Lorraine, >they may indeed have spoken either French or German, whereas for Alsace, it >is more likely they have spoken a german dialekt (close enough, in some >villages, to the Schwowisch dialekt). > >I hope this has helped clarify some misunderstandings. > >Best regards to all the group. > >Tina Michel, >Montreal > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Schambre" <jfschambre@comcast.net> >To: "Peggy" <milpegg@centurytel.net> >Cc: "DVHH Mail List" <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 2:56 PM >Subject: Re: [DVHH] Marienfeld look-up please > > >Hi Peggy: > >I don't know anything about Marienfeld but I do know that Lothringen is the >name given to the area in Alsace-Lorraine France where many 'german >speaking' people lived and eventually migrated to the Banat.  I found my >family there too! > >I'm sure you will hear from other regarding marienfeld as it appears there >are quite a few listers who are familiar with that town. > >Best of luck! > >John F. Schambre >San Francisco, CA >                        > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi June, Sorry, I meant to also copy you in my last posting to Daniel and the list. I am finally catching up on all the threads of this fascinating discussion. Thank you too for your very helpful historical input regarding Alsace-Lorraine, etc. Merci beaucoup! Linda On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 3:15 PM, June Meyer <junemeyerrecipes@yahoo.com>wrote: > John, I can only speak of family lore. My Lutheran ancestor came from > Alsace-Lorraine to Batschka. The family name was SEINE, like the River > Seine, but after living in German speaking Altkeer (O'Keer) the name was > Germanized to SEHNE. Family lore said that GGgrandmother was French > speaking. She was the one that taught the Sehne family to cook. > > In the 1960's I purchased "The Joy of French Cooking" by Julia Child. In > reading the recipes, I was surprised to see that the recipes I had been > taught to cook, had a very strong influence to French country cooking. It > was so very interesting to read all the different versions of dishes. A lot > were like my grandmother from Glockowatz, in the Banat, who used a lot of > "Einbreint" which my Batschka mother rejected. So interesting. > > Regards, > > June Meyer > junemeyerrecipes@yahoo.com > > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Daniel HILAIRE <danielhilaire@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > John, > Most of people coming from Alsace-Lorraine (in fact, Lorraine), didn't > speak german when they arrived in Banat; they were speaking only french and > same for their children; but, as the local administration, the army, > sometimes the boys or the girls they married, were speaking german, they > had to speak german and finally they lost their french language; so, > 120-130 years after, when they arrived to US, they were speaking only > german until... 120 years after, their descendants speak english and very > few are able to speak german!Another point : Lorraine was not a part of > France until 1766Last point : Germany, as a state, didn't exist before > 1871; to obtain this, Bismark had to fight against Austria in 1866 (and > again the french in 1870). So, there was no "german from Austria-Hungary". > But, as another member of the group explained very well a couple of days > ago, it's too difficult for a Banater Schwaben to explain who he is really; > so, let's people from Lorraine, speaking french, become... German from > Austria. > Hope you'll pardon me for these points. > Bonne journée > Daniel Hilaire, Bordeaux > > > > From: jfschambre@comcast.net > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 08:53:15 -0700 > To: ljaspersen@gmail.com > CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > Linda: It is possible your family came from Alsace-Lorraine France where > so many German speaking people lived and migrated to the Banat. I thought > my family came from Germany too because, like yours, they always said they > were German from Austria-Hungary. Well, they were German and, once they > moved to the Banat, they were Austro-Hungarians but before that, probably > back in the late 1600's or throughout the 1700 and 1800's they may have > lived in France. It was quite a revelation to me. > > Interestingly, my family had relatives in Buffalo and Tonawanda too! > Their family names were Bishop and Stetzer and, unfortunately I haven't > been able to find out much about them. I remember them visiting us in > Mansfield, Ohio (my home town) but we never went to New York to see them. > So many mysteries to uncover! > > Best of luck in your research! > > John F. Schambre > San Francisco, CA > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> wrote: > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The heritage > postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - trying to > catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about > little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they were > too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and adapt to > a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also > regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing of > oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were born > in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the 1700’s, > according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF immigrant to > Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother (my > GGM) > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in > 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & 1910, > and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his wife > and 4 remaining children. > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > went to the German > club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was distrust > and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers fighting > overseas. > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they > called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from Austria-Hungary, > never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge brick > walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from in > the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > Stadervolumes. > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have been > a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, > particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like in the > Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > Thank You All, > > > Linda > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr <jodymckimpharr@comcast > .net> wrote: > > Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a Schwowe. > Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in the > witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. Papa > would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English "You are > in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family research > quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions after > those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful and > knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > > This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have brick > walls, post it onto the mail list. > Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the > entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know where > you are at in your search. > > Thanks for sharing, > > Jody McKim Pharr > Woodstock, GA - USA > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on telling > us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and around > his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and how. > Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my > father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch (Academic > German). > > I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one with > a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough with a > need to dig and find out more. > > With kind regards, > > Tina Michel, > Montreal > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps up. I > am > getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and died. So > many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to most. I > am > not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who lived in > DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their kids > (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying > enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had the > foresight to ask or listen better. > So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to help let > me > know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > Thanks so much for all info and help! > Barb D. > > -----Original Message----- > From: SusanM > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It has > been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the archives. I'm > not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say thanks > to > people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > > > Susan M > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Daniel, Thank you for your informative response. I'm somewhat embarrassed that I forgot so much of my European history regarding Austria-Hungary. Of course... Germany did not exist as a state before 1871! I just now reviewed an old atlas from that period. It was an important step forward in understanding the historical background of both Austria-Hungary and the Banat region. Your response also lead to my reviewing the details of the 1919 Treaty of Versailles, resulting in Germany ceding many territories, including Alsace and Lorraine, which they had annexed in 1871, after the Franco-Prussian War. It sounds like you know your history very well, but I definitely needed to go back and review it all. Your gentle nudge in the right direction has pushed me forward to a better understanding of the historical facts and boundaries, which are obviously very important in genealogy. Merci beaucoup! Linda On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Daniel HILAIRE <danielhilaire@hotmail.com>wrote: > John, > > Most of people coming from Alsace-Lorraine (in fact, Lorraine), didn't > speak german when they arrived in Banat; they were speaking only french and > same for their children; but, as the local administration, the army, > sometimes the boys or the girls they married, were speaking german, they > had to speak german and finally they lost their french language; so, > 120-130 years after, when they arrived to US, they were speaking only > german until... 120 years after, their descendants speak english and very > few are able to speak german! > Another point : Lorraine was not a part of France until 1766 > Last point : Germany, as a state, didn't exist before 1871; to obtain > this, Bismark had to fight against Austria in 1866 (and again the french in > 1870). So, there was no "german from Austria-Hungary". > > But, as another member of the group explained very well a couple of days > ago, it's too difficult for a Banater Schwaben to explain who he is really; > so, let's people from Lorraine, speaking french, become... German from > Austria. > > Hope you'll pardon me for these points. > > Bonne journée > > Daniel Hilaire, Bordeaux > > > > > > From: jfschambre@comcast.net > > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 08:53:15 -0700 > > To: ljaspersen@gmail.com > > CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > > > Linda: It is possible your family came from Alsace-Lorraine France where > so many German speaking people lived and migrated to the Banat. I thought > my family came from Germany too because, like yours, they always said they > were German from Austria-Hungary. Well, they were German and, once they > moved to the Banat, they were Austro-Hungarians but before that, probably > back in the late 1600's or throughout the 1700 and 1800's they may have > lived in France. It was quite a revelation to me. > > > > Interestingly, my family had relatives in Buffalo and Tonawanda too! > Their family names were Bishop and Stetzer and, unfortunately I haven't > been able to find out much about them. I remember them visiting us in > Mansfield, Ohio (my home town) but we never went to New York to see them. > So many mysteries to uncover! > > > > Best of luck in your research! > > > > John F. Schambre > > San Francisco, CA > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The > heritage > > > postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - > trying to > > > catch up after the busy Easter holiday. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments about > > > little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. Perhaps they > were > > > too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and > adapt to > > > a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I also > > > regret not asking the questions that might have triggered more sharing > of > > > oral history before my grandparents died. > > > > > > > > > > > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents were > born > > > in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the > 1700’s, > > > according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF > immigrant to > > > Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed mother > (my GGM) > > > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New York, in > > > 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated in 1906 & > 1910, > > > and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany his > wife > > > and 4 remaining children. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no > > > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older sister > > > went to the German > > > club but that it closed during WWII and never reopened. There was > distrust > > > and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers > fighting > > > overseas. > > > > > > > > > > > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as they > > > called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from > Austria-Hungary, > > > never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge > brick > > > walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated from > in > > > the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the > > > Stadervolumes. > > > > > > > > > > > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site have > been > > > a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to learn, > > > particularly from listers with family memories of what life was like > in the > > > Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. > > > > > > > > > Thank You All, > > > > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr > <jodymckimpharr@comcast > > > .net> wrote: > > > > > >> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a > Schwowe. > > >> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were in > the > > >> witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. > Papa > > >> would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak English > "You are > > >> in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family > research > > >> quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my questions > after > > >> those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our wonderful > and > > >> knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. > > >> > > >> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you have > brick > > >> walls, post it onto the mail list. > > >> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back to the > > >> entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to help can know > where > > >> you are at in your search. > > >> > > >> Thanks for sharing, > > >> > > >> Jody McKim Pharr > > >> Woodstock, GA - USA > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > > >> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina Michel > > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM > > >> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > >> > > >> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on > telling > > >> us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and > around > > >> his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why and > how. > > >> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked my > > >> father why he would speak schwowisch and not better Hochdeutsch > (Academic > > >> German). > > >> > > >> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only one > with > > >> a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure enough > with a > > >> need to dig and find out more. > > >> > > >> With kind regards, > > >> > > >> Tina Michel, > > >> Montreal > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > > >> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; < > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > >> > > >> > > >>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it keeps > up. I > > >>> am > > >>> getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and > died. So > > >>> many question to go and I will probably never have the answers to > most. I > > >>> am > > >>> not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. > > >>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who > lived in > > >>> DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to their > kids > > >>> (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't paying > > >>> enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I wish I had had > the > > >>> foresight to ask or listen better. > > >>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to > help let > > >>> me > > >>> know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. > > >>> Thanks so much for all info and help! > > >>> Barb D. > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: SusanM > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM > > >>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com > > >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > >>> > > >>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this discussion. It > has > > >>> been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the > archives. I'm > > >>> not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to say > thanks > > >>> to > > >>> people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Susan M > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In the Buffalo area there are still German clubs, that may offer information on relatives, linked under the web page of WWW.BuffaloGerman.com with calenders of events mainly held south of Buffalo, in Hamburg or Cheektowaga.  The Buffalo Schwaben Chor performs at the big German Heritage Festival is held on Labor Day weekend, which I have yet to attend. Unfortunately, the distance from my home on Lake Ontario (NY ) & age, makes that difficult.

No Eve, I do not have their emails. I tried a few times through the lists contact list but to no avail. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve" <evebrown@gmail.com> To: "Harold" <bhbrat24@q.com> Cc: "Donauschwaben" <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 8:14:56 PM Subject: Re: [DVHH] Chris Kaip/Roswitha Egert Do you have their emails Harold?  If so email me privately Eve On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 8:33 PM, Harold < bhbrat24@q.com > wrote: Has anyone talked to either one of the above people lately or seen any posting by them ? Are they still on the list ?          Thanks for any help, Harold Bratsko ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

Eve the chicken paprikash should freeze fine, but add the sour cream after you reheat it. Goulasch also freezes great. I've never frozen and thawed cabbage and noodles, so can't speak to that. Have fun! Lotte -----Original Message----- From: Eve <evebrown@gmail.com> To: donauschwaben-villages <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Apr 26, 2014 2:59 pm Subject: [DVHH] DS food for family reunion Well, hate to bring this up again, and hope it doesn't stop those from posting "serious" research type comments and questions. I have made some decisions (based on dinner today), but I need to know if anyone has frozen Chicken Paprikash before? Also, has anyone ever froze cabbage and noodles? I plan to do the chicken ahead of time, and use skinless boneless breasts and thighs (on bone) - remove the meat from bone after cooking it - if I freeze it, should I do it before or after adding in the sour cream? I make this dish all the time using bone in chicken - husband and one daughter's favorite dish. I tried it today for dinner using just boneless breasts and it tasted fine and it was so easy. Now I just have to know if I can make it a week in advance and freeze. So far my menu is: German potato salad - an improvised recipe I've found cabbage and noodles cabbage rolls w/tomato sauce - already made and frozen chicken paprikash sauerkraut with wurst salad palacsinta - with marmalade and cottage cheese poppy seed/nut rolls Pizzelles Thanks everyone for your input about my food questions!! Eve -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message