Hello Barb, It was in 1945 when the DS were taken to Russia to work as slave labor. These two articles will give you a sense of what happened there. I had at least five relatives who were taken there in train cattle cars. There were others I have found who died in the camps. Here is an accounting remembering the terrible experience: http://www.dvhh.org/semlak/Dusseldorf~pt-1-fifty-yrs-after.htm Also there is a journal of a young man/boy of his declining health in a Russian camp: http://www.dvhh.org/semlak/Toth-deportation-diary.htm I could not find your grandfather in David Dreyers, "Banaters in Austrian Military Records" but I am in a rush to go off to an appointment. I will look again this afternoon. Rose Mary Keller Hughes W Henrietta, NY, USA -----Original Message----- From: Barb D Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 4:36 PM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] Camps & Army's Hi , First I want to THANK all the poster’s that have contributed all the wonderful recipe’s, history, & stories. I have enjoyed each and everyone. I am wondering if anyone out there can help me with two things: 1st. My mother told me that her Aunt Anna LEIMETTER from Deustch St. Michael ( B: abt: 190 was taken or sent to a work camp she thought in Russia. my problem is that she thought it was before wwII. I can’t find any info on anything like that happening before the war. I don’t know if she was already married and to who or not. Questions: Does anyone know anything about this happening and where can I get some info? 2nd, My Grandfather John BRATTAN was B:1896 in Deustch St. Michael went to war and was injured and spent a long time in an Italian hospital and returned 1917 or 18. Questions: How can I find out what army he served in and anything on his hospitalization. I really can use all the help I can get. It seems that no one knows very much about this tiny little town. Thanking you all in advance for any help you can give. Keep up the great listings’ I think this would be a great way for our schools to teach history. I have learned and understood more here in the last few months than all my time in school. I guess I must not have paid very good attention then, but I really didn,t care about the wars dates. I think it is about what happened to the countries and the wonderful people who lived in them and what it did to them and their families. Sorry to ramble on so long. Barb D ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Thank you for sharing Fifty Years After. I am wondering how my (German ancesters ) who lived near Timisoara avoided trouble with the Russians. I heard once someone say, my Great Grandfather was a bit of a shyster. He remained in Buzias, died in 1958 and buried in local cemetery. Sent from my iPad > On Apr 28, 2014, at 7:01 AM, "Rose Mary Keller Hughes" <rhughes5@rochester.rr.com> wrote: > > Hello Barb, > > It was in 1945 when the DS were taken to Russia to work as slave labor. > These two articles will give you a sense of what happened there. I had at > least five relatives who were taken there in train cattle cars. There were > others I have found who died in the camps. > > Here is an accounting remembering the terrible experience: > > http://www.dvhh.org/semlak/Dusseldorf~pt-1-fifty-yrs-after.htm > > Also there is a journal of a young man/boy of his declining health in a > Russian camp: > > http://www.dvhh.org/semlak/Toth-deportation-diary.htm > > I could not find your grandfather in David Dreyers, "Banaters in Austrian > Military Records" but I am in a rush to go off to an appointment. I will > look again this afternoon. > > Rose Mary Keller Hughes > W Henrietta, NY, USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barb D > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 4:36 PM > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DVHH] Camps & Army's > > Hi , > First I want to THANK all the poster’s that have contributed all the > wonderful recipe’s, history, & stories. I have enjoyed each and everyone. > I am wondering if anyone out there can help me with two things: > 1st. My mother told me that her Aunt Anna LEIMETTER from Deustch St. Michael > ( B: abt: 190 was taken or sent to a work camp she thought in Russia. > my problem is that she thought it was before wwII. I can’t find any > info on anything like that happening before the war. I don’t know if she was > already married and to who or not. > Questions: Does anyone know anything about this happening and where > can I get some info? > 2nd, My Grandfather John BRATTAN was B:1896 in Deustch St. Michael went to > war and was injured and spent a long time in an Italian hospital and > returned 1917 or 18. > Questions: How can I find out what army he served in and anything > on his hospitalization. > I really can use all the help I can get. It seems that no one knows very > much about this tiny little town. > Thanking you all in advance for any help you can give. > Keep up the great listings’ I think this would be a great way for our > schools to teach history. I have learned and understood more here in the > last few months than all my time in school. > I guess I must not have paid very good attention then, but I really didn,t > care about the wars dates. I think it is about what happened to the > countries and the wonderful people who lived in them and what it did to them > and their families. > Sorry to ramble on so long. > Barb D > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John & Eileen Your DNA is quite different as it seems to be of recent times meaning from the last 10,000 years or since the ice time. I am quite stunned about the two different DNA's between you and Dan. The question is now why? Gruss Hans   On Sunday, April 27, 2014 4:52 PM, John Schambre <jfschambre@comcast.net> wrote: Hi Eileen: Found your DNA story interesting as mine showed up as a big surprise too.  My grandparents came to the US in 1914 from Wiesenhaid and they always told me 'we are German' period!  I never heard of anything about ancestors in France, etc.  But when I did my DNA the real surprise came:  It shows that I am:  1/3 British Isles, 1/3 Northern European and 1/3 Southern European - which, according to Ancestry.com info means Italy, Spain, Portugal, etc. I didn't believe it either, so I had my my aunt and my sister take the tests too - their results came out very similar to mine, except for the Southern European.  So, I had my mother do her DNA.  Her father was Hungarian from the start - so I thought, but he had quite dark skin and now that I know there were all sorts of people living in Hungary in the 1800's I suspect my maternal grandfather had either Italian, Greek or possibly even Turkish blood in him and I'm nearly certain that is where my Southern European roots come from.  Now, the British Isles really stumped me until a research told me that the name Chambre is very common in Ireland and england as far back as the 1300's!!  I still have not confirmed that I had relatives from that area but I'm looking into it and, in fact, on Ancestry.com I was researching English records and hit upon a Chambre from the mid-late 1400's who was named as primary physician to King Kenry the 8th!!  I laughed, thinking that I might have had a famous relaltive -- but that is going WAY back in time and I'll need a lot more than one document to make me believe he is of my family. So, especially if you are from the Alsace-Lorraine area, you may indeed have British blood in your line since I was advised that many French lived in Ireland and England back in those days.  Oh, if only we could go back in time just to look and see for ourselves where we came from :-))  Don't worry too much though - at least for me I find the different DNA readings to be interesting but in my mind and heart I still believe my Grandfather:  We are German!  Period!  :-)) All the best in your research. John John F. Schambre San Francisco, CA On Apr 27, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Eileen Simcox <easimcox@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I find the conversation regarding the history fascinating. I joined DVHH > several years ago, but I thought it was a yearly subscription? I've never > gotten a yearly notice to "re-up my membership"? So, I've felt guilty about > posting in the emails, as if I am eavesdropping? I would be happy to pay an > annual fee, if that is what is required . . . > > Many of you found my paternal line in the Familienbuch Kernei in der > Batschka (which I now own also). In my maternal line, three of my four > grandmothers are descended from the Luther line, also German. > > I recently had my DNA tested from ancestry.com and my results which should > have been "heavily German" were: Great Britain 72%, Italy/Greece 9%, Europe > West 9%, Trace Regions 14%. I was so upset at the results! I am German!!! I > am trying to find a way to either justify the results or negate them . . . > I recently heard a story on NPR from a black man whose DNA indicated that > he had 0% African. Has anyone else had this experience with DNA testing? > > Also, I am grateful for all of the recipes. My grandmother was a fantastic > cook and I so regret not learning the family recipes from her. I find the > recipes talked about here are what I remember eating at her house. I > especially regret not learning how to pull the strudel dough for poppy seed > strudel! :( > > Thank you, > Eileen Gauder Simcox > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barb If your ancestors did settle in Hungary during the time of the three Great Schwabian Migration in Hungary (including that part of Hungary which are now part of Romania the former Yugoslavia and Hungary today), they are considered Donauschwaben simply because Bismarck wanted the Germans not get lost under separate assimilations by these countries in the 30's when the German settlement regions of Hungary were divided after WWI. So we call ourselves finally Donauschwaben as the dust settled after the war and after all the fog cleared, because we called ourselves also Donau Deutsche, and the Donauschwaben from the Banat still refer to themselves as Banater Schwaben.  Gruss Hans On Sunday, April 27, 2014 6:17 PM, Gary Banzhaf <gerbanz@gmail.com> wrote: Hello Barb, to answer your question about dialects spoken in the 'Southeastdonauschwaben' settlements, there is no answer ,people, no matter what their "Muttersprache" was - doesn't count, because from village to village it differs, and the settlers wherever they came from dragged their own dialects with them - but there was always one thing I noticed - they understood each other. Gary from the province ' Syrmia' ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> To: <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 4:46 PM Subject: [DVHH] P.S. to Camps &Armies >I forgot to ask this really dumb question ,but how do I know if my families >are really donauschwaben and what dialect thy would have spoke. > There have been so many dialects refered to and I would like to know if > there is a way to tell. > Sorry I have so many questions, but I am a very curious person and love > quests. > Thanks again, > Barb D. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rosemary 75,000 of our people in their prime were send to slave labor camps in Russia at Christmas of 1944. Both of my parents were among those deported. My father was in Kharkov 9 months and my mother spent 4 years in the coalmines of Atratsit. Both actually the Ukraine. Your second question it was the Hungarian army. The territories were under the Hungarian Kingdom during Austria-Hungary. You may also go to website default and click on history and find; "The deportation of our parents to Russia." Gruss Hans default Page Author: DSNA webmaster. The views and opinions expressed in this page are strictly those of the page author. The contents of this page remain the proper... View on www.donauschwaben... Preview by Yahoo On Monday, April 28, 2014 10:04 AM, Rose Mary Keller Hughes <rhughes5@rochester.rr.com> wrote: Hello Barb, It was in 1945 when the DS were taken to Russia to work as slave labor. These two articles will give you a sense of what happened there.  I had at least five relatives who were taken there in train cattle cars.  There were others I have found who died in the camps. Here is an accounting remembering the terrible experience: http://www.dvhh.org/semlak/Dusseldorf~pt-1-fifty-yrs-after.htm Also there is a journal of a young man/boy of his declining health in a Russian camp: http://www.dvhh.org/semlak/Toth-deportation-diary.htm I could not find your grandfather in David Dreyers, "Banaters in Austrian Military Records" but I am in a rush to go off to an appointment.  I will look again this afternoon. Rose Mary Keller Hughes W Henrietta, NY, USA -----Original Message----- From: Barb D Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 4:36 PM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] Camps & Army's Hi , First I want to THANK all the poster’s that have contributed all the wonderful recipe’s, history, & stories. I have enjoyed each and everyone. I am wondering if anyone out there can help me with two things: 1st. My mother told me that her Aunt Anna LEIMETTER from Deustch St. Michael ( B: abt: 190 was taken or sent to a work camp she thought in Russia.         my problem is that she thought it was before wwII. I can’t find any info on anything like that happening before the war. I don’t know if she was already married and to who or not.         Questions: Does anyone know anything about this happening and where can I get some info? 2nd, My Grandfather John BRATTAN was B:1896 in Deustch St. Michael went to war and was injured and spent a long time in an Italian hospital and returned 1917 or 18.         Questions: How can I find out what army he served in and anything on his hospitalization. I really can use all the help I can get. It seems that no one knows very much about this tiny little town. Thanking you all in advance for any help you can give. Keep up the great listings’ I think this would be a great way for our schools to teach history. I have learned and understood more here in the last few months than all my time in school. I guess I must not have paid very good attention then, but I really didn,t care about the wars dates. I think it is about what happened to the countries and the wonderful people who lived in them and what it did to them and their families. Sorry to ramble on so long. Barb D ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for the information Karen. I know this DNA thing is very complicated. I'm also sure that as the years go by the DNA results will get more specific, ancestry research will improve, and a lot of my questions will be answered. I look forward to this journey! :) On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 3:00 AM, < donauschwaben-villages-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > To respond to a Digest Mode message, click reply, CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE > TO REFLECT THE TOPIC - then delete any postings/text not specific to the > message you are responding to. Otherwise it could cause your message to be > too long and not get posted. Your cooperation is appreciated. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: History of Germany (islandkaren) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 02:08:28 -0400 > From: "islandkaren" <islandkaren@bellsouth.net> > Subject: Re: [DVHH] History of Germany > To: "Eileen Simcox" <easimcox@gmail.com>, > <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <7D1C6EDDE9C04934906F2E3A891DA85D@Karen> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hello Eileen: > > When you claim your uberGerman DNA that you believe you should have, you > are > simply describing Geography. Whatever your original migration "group" > happens to be can be traced based on their Current Geography, not their or > your Race. By this time in the history of humanity we are all a "mix" of > "races"...that is Caucasian, Negro, Mongol, Indian (red), etc. And...the > first (genetically) and universal "mother" was Negro out of Africa from > whom > we are All descended. > > My families on my father's side arrived in Banat very early in the late > 1600s and early 1700s...but called themselves "ethnic Germans". They were > not Germans...they were all born in Hungary...they were Hungarians. The > fact that they maintained an ethnicity from centuries early which certainly > my grandparents had never personally witnessed IN Germany...did..does not > make them Germans. I am their immediate relative...I am certainly not > German...never have been...I am an American. But again, I am only > describing where I was born and what and where the borders happen to be in > my lifetime. > > I adore and cherish the heritage and ethnic lifestyle my relatives > practiced and I am eternally grateful for their courage and fortitude...but > they were Hungarians at the time of their immigration to the US, and had > been for several centuries in fact. Your DNA results merely describe the > migration of people to whom you have a biologic link which seems to > indicate > the greater majority of them immigrated to the British Isles at some time > in > history. I think what you found out just makes your story much more > interesting....who migrated, and when, and most interestingly Why...to the > British Isles??? With William the Conqueror, or as Serfs, or Tradesmen, or > maybe Military, and then...with which ethnic groups did they intermarry and > how did they transform? > Sounds exciting and really interesting to me.....:):) > > You have an interesting search ahead of you.....keep us all informed as you > go! > Karen. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eileen Simcox" <easimcox@gmail.com> > To: <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 3:11 PM > Subject: [DVHH] History of Germany > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I find the conversation regarding the history fascinating. I joined DVHH > > several years ago, but I thought it was a yearly subscription? I've never > > gotten a yearly notice to "re-up my membership"? So, I've felt guilty > > about > > posting in the emails, as if I am eavesdropping? I would be happy to pay > > an > > annual fee, if that is what is required . . . > > > > Many of you found my paternal line in the Familienbuch Kernei in der > > Batschka (which I now own also). In my maternal line, three of my four > > grandmothers are descended from the Luther line, also German. > > > > I recently had my DNA tested from ancestry.com and my results which > should > > have been "heavily German" were: Great Britain 72%, Italy/Greece 9%, > > Europe > > West 9%, Trace Regions 14%. I was so upset at the results! I am German!!! > > I > > am trying to find a way to either justify the results or negate them . . > . > > I recently heard a story on NPR from a black man whose DNA indicated that > > he had 0% African. Has anyone else had this experience with DNA testing? > > > > Also, I am grateful for all of the recipes. My grandmother was a > fantastic > > cook and I so regret not learning the family recipes from her. I find the > > recipes talked about here are what I remember eating at her house. I > > especially regret not learning how to pull the strudel dough for poppy > > seed > > strudel! :( > > > > Thank you, > > Eileen Gauder Simcox > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES Digest, Vol 7, Issue 110 > ****************************************************** >

Eileen: It's easy to equate the Donauschwaben Villages Mail List with the DVHH website. While the two are associated they are separate entities. The Donauschwaben-Villages-L mail list only requires you to sign-up in order to freely participate. http://www.dvhh.org/community/mail-list will explain how the Mail List works. The DVHH.org website which is a goldmine of information on the Donauschwaben and I encourage everyone who hasn't already seen it to check it out. Anyone can use the website, but Memberships are available and tax deductible donations help the non-profit DVHH, Inc. to continue to grow and keep our DS history alive. DVHH, Inc. membership is renewable every year. http://www.dvhh.org/community/index.htm#DVHH-at-a-glance ( and click on "Membership" on the right to see how to support the DVHH, Inc.) Regards, Beth Tolfree DVHH Volunteer for Apatin http://www.dvhh.org/apatin/ -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eileen Simcox Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 12:11 PM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] History of Germany Hi Everyone, I find the conversation regarding the history fascinating. I joined DVHH several years ago, but I thought it was a yearly subscription? I've never gotten a yearly notice to "re-up my membership"? So, I've felt guilty about posting in the emails, as if I am eavesdropping? I would be happy to pay an annual fee, if that is what is required . . . Many of you found my paternal line in the Familienbuch Kernei in der Batschka (which I now own also). In my maternal line, three of my four grandmothers are descended from the Luther line, also German. I recently had my DNA tested from ancestry.com and my results which should have been "heavily German" were: Great Britain 72%, Italy/Greece 9%, Europe West 9%, Trace Regions 14%. I was so upset at the results! I am German!!! I am trying to find a way to either justify the results or negate them . . . I recently heard a story on NPR from a black man whose DNA indicated that he had 0% African. Has anyone else had this experience with DNA testing? Also, I am grateful for all of the recipes. My grandmother was a fantastic cook and I so regret not learning the family recipes from her. I find the recipes talked about here are what I remember eating at her house. I especially regret not learning how to pull the strudel dough for poppy seed strudel! :( Thank you, Eileen Gauder Simcox ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers Again we have seen that a DNA test is vague. Dan Larson just had one made and it is a prove of it, although it gives specific percentages. Lets look at this and analyze it. The last ice age was 10,000 years ago and prior to this 150,000 years ago. If the northern hemisphere was covered with ice over these periods, we know that all northern European had to come from the south. We must assume it was a mixer which thoroughly mixt our DNA back and forth and around. Therefore it really is a fact we know from the history of the human race.   I agree it may be quite interesting, but Dan's result although it gives specific percentages it is not specific enough for recent times. Lets say 10,000 years ago. We know that most of our ancestor came from Asia minor, Persia and India. From where they moved down the rivers to the Black and Caspian See and from there moved up the revers. We often refer to us as Indo-Germanic. Others came from the route of the Greece, Italy, Spain. Or came across from the Mediterranean Zee from Africa. Just a thought. Hans On Monday, April 28, 2014 4:31 AM, Dan Larson <schwob@earthlink.net> wrote: Hi Eileen, Your results can also vary depending on how it's analyzed. Here are my origins using MDLP K=12 Oracle: *#**Population**Percent* 1 Celto_Germanic 34.6% 2 East_European 23.53% 3 Iberian 12.48% 4 Paleo_Mediterranean 12.16% 5 Balto_Finnic 5.99% 6 Caucasian 3.58% 7 Paleo_North_European 2.15% 8 Volga_Uralic 2.01% 9 Uralic_Permic 1.92% 10 South_Central_Asian 1.06% 11 Paleo_Balkanic 0.52% Results are not surprising. Here's another one using Eurogenes K12: Population North Sea 32.59% Western European 27.45% South Baltic 16.33% Mediterranean 9.13% Volga-Ural 8.31% Caucasus 3.60% South Asian 2.15% North Amerindian + Arctic 0.44% I guess the only surprise there is North Amerindian + Arctic but I suppose my far distant ancestors moved around! One thing you have to understand is that the way we view the world's current geographical borders is very recent history compared to how long humans have populated the planet. Another thing is there are many different DNA analytical tools out there and you need to do your research or at least ask for help from somebody with more knowledge to get you started. I went with the Ancestry.com deal for $99 and then uploaded my DNA data to GedMatch.com. Eventually I want to have a more advanced DNA test done but for now this is very interesting and I'm still learning as I go. Dan Larson   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eileen Simcox" <easimcox@gmail.com> To: <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 3:11 PM Subject: [DVHH] History of Germany >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I find the conversation regarding the history fascinating. I joined DVHH >> several years ago, but I thought it was a yearly subscription? I've never >> gotten a yearly notice to "re-up my membership"? So, I've felt guilty >> about >> posting in the emails, as if I am eavesdropping? I would be happy to pay >> an >> annual fee, if that is what is required . . . >> >> Many of you found my paternal line in the Familienbuch Kernei in der >> Batschka (which I now own also). In my maternal line, three of my four >> grandmothers are descended from the Luther line, also German. >> >> I recently had my DNA tested from ancestry.com and my results which should >> have been "heavily German" were: Great Britain 72%, Italy/Greece 9%, >> Europe >> West 9%, Trace Regions 14%. I was so upset at the results! I am German!!! >> I >> am trying to find a way to either justify the results or negate them . . . >> I recently heard a story on NPR from a black man whose DNA indicated that >> he had 0% African. Has anyone else had this experience with DNA testing? >> >> Also, I am grateful for all of the recipes. My grandmother was a fantastic >> cook and I so regret not learning the family recipes from her. I find the >> recipes talked about here are what I remember eating at her house. I >> especially regret not learning how to pull the strudel dough for poppy >> seed >> strudel! :( >> >> Thank you, >> Eileen Gauder Simcox >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ralph: I have no experience with WK so I really can't compare the two. However, it certainly couldn't hurt to also check Stader in the off-chance that there may be some helpful information. Beth -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Haus Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:32 AM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Stadervolumes request Beth, I was looking at the WK entries when your email arrived. All I saw was a Röder, no 'L'. Since the Stader list was derived (based?) on WK I would have thought I would have found the same entries. The reason for my comments is that I have struck out many times with some of my family names researching the WK listings. Am I missing something by not researching the Stader list as well? Ralph Haus On 4/26/2014 11:06 AM, Beth Tolfree wrote: > Margaret - - sending you privately the few Leinweber and Rödler entries I found in Stader. Beth > > -----Original Message----- > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Margaret Bures > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 8:37 PM > To: donauschwaben-villages > Subject: [DVHH] Stadervolumes request > > Dear friends, > > Is it possible to look up my ancestors to see if they are in the Stadervolumes records? > > My fathers family was Rödler, and my mothers family was Leinweber. My mother always said her family was from the Pfalz, Rhineland Pfalz? > > My fathers name was Jacob Rödler, born 1897 in Cervenka, I believe, and I believe his father was George Rödler. > > My mother was Margareta Leinweber, born 1901 in Cervenka, I believe. I think her father was Johann Leinweber, mother was Katharina Leinweber. > > Any info would be appreciated. > > Thank you. > > Margaret > > > Margaret > From my iPad > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Eileen, Your results can also vary depending on how it's analyzed. Here are my origins using MDLP K=12 Oracle: *#**Population**Percent* 1 Celto_Germanic 34.6% 2 East_European 23.53% 3 Iberian 12.48% 4 Paleo_Mediterranean 12.16% 5 Balto_Finnic 5.99% 6 Caucasian 3.58% 7 Paleo_North_European 2.15% 8 Volga_Uralic 2.01% 9 Uralic_Permic 1.92% 10 South_Central_Asian 1.06% 11 Paleo_Balkanic 0.52% Results are not surprising. Here's another one using Eurogenes K12: Population North Sea 32.59% Western European 27.45% South Baltic 16.33% Mediterranean 9.13% Volga-Ural 8.31% Caucasus 3.60% South Asian 2.15% North Amerindian + Arctic 0.44% I guess the only surprise there is North Amerindian + Arctic but I suppose my far distant ancestors moved around! One thing you have to understand is that the way we view the world's current geographical borders is very recent history compared to how long humans have populated the planet. Another thing is there are many different DNA analytical tools out there and you need to do your research or at least ask for help from somebody with more knowledge to get you started. I went with the Ancestry.com deal for $99 and then uploaded my DNA data to GedMatch.com. Eventually I want to have a more advanced DNA test done but for now this is very interesting and I'm still learning as I go. Dan Larson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eileen Simcox" <easimcox@gmail.com> To: <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 3:11 PM Subject: [DVHH] History of Germany >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I find the conversation regarding the history fascinating. I joined DVHH >> several years ago, but I thought it was a yearly subscription? I've never >> gotten a yearly notice to "re-up my membership"? So, I've felt guilty >> about >> posting in the emails, as if I am eavesdropping? I would be happy to pay >> an >> annual fee, if that is what is required . . . >> >> Many of you found my paternal line in the Familienbuch Kernei in der >> Batschka (which I now own also). In my maternal line, three of my four >> grandmothers are descended from the Luther line, also German. >> >> I recently had my DNA tested from ancestry.com and my results which should >> have been "heavily German" were: Great Britain 72%, Italy/Greece 9%, >> Europe >> West 9%, Trace Regions 14%. I was so upset at the results! I am German!!! >> I >> am trying to find a way to either justify the results or negate them . . . >> I recently heard a story on NPR from a black man whose DNA indicated that >> he had 0% African. Has anyone else had this experience with DNA testing? >> >> Also, I am grateful for all of the recipes. My grandmother was a fantastic >> cook and I so regret not learning the family recipes from her. I find the >> recipes talked about here are what I remember eating at her house. I >> especially regret not learning how to pull the strudel dough for poppy >> seed >> strudel! :( >> >> Thank you, >> Eileen Gauder Simcox >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello Eileen: When you claim your uberGerman DNA that you believe you should have, you are simply describing Geography. Whatever your original migration "group" happens to be can be traced based on their Current Geography, not their or your Race. By this time in the history of humanity we are all a "mix" of "races"...that is Caucasian, Negro, Mongol, Indian (red), etc. And...the first (genetically) and universal "mother" was Negro out of Africa from whom we are All descended. My families on my father's side arrived in Banat very early in the late 1600s and early 1700s...but called themselves "ethnic Germans". They were not Germans...they were all born in Hungary...they were Hungarians. The fact that they maintained an ethnicity from centuries early which certainly my grandparents had never personally witnessed IN Germany...did..does not make them Germans. I am their immediate relative...I am certainly not German...never have been...I am an American. But again, I am only describing where I was born and what and where the borders happen to be in my lifetime. I adore and cherish the heritage and ethnic lifestyle my relatives practiced and I am eternally grateful for their courage and fortitude...but they were Hungarians at the time of their immigration to the US, and had been for several centuries in fact. Your DNA results merely describe the migration of people to whom you have a biologic link which seems to indicate the greater majority of them immigrated to the British Isles at some time in history. I think what you found out just makes your story much more interesting....who migrated, and when, and most interestingly Why...to the British Isles??? With William the Conqueror, or as Serfs, or Tradesmen, or maybe Military, and then...with which ethnic groups did they intermarry and how did they transform? Sounds exciting and really interesting to me.....:):) You have an interesting search ahead of you.....keep us all informed as you go! Karen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eileen Simcox" <easimcox@gmail.com> To: <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 3:11 PM Subject: [DVHH] History of Germany > Hi Everyone, > > I find the conversation regarding the history fascinating. I joined DVHH > several years ago, but I thought it was a yearly subscription? I've never > gotten a yearly notice to "re-up my membership"? So, I've felt guilty > about > posting in the emails, as if I am eavesdropping? I would be happy to pay > an > annual fee, if that is what is required . . . > > Many of you found my paternal line in the Familienbuch Kernei in der > Batschka (which I now own also). In my maternal line, three of my four > grandmothers are descended from the Luther line, also German. > > I recently had my DNA tested from ancestry.com and my results which should > have been "heavily German" were: Great Britain 72%, Italy/Greece 9%, > Europe > West 9%, Trace Regions 14%. I was so upset at the results! I am German!!! > I > am trying to find a way to either justify the results or negate them . . . > I recently heard a story on NPR from a black man whose DNA indicated that > he had 0% African. Has anyone else had this experience with DNA testing? > > Also, I am grateful for all of the recipes. My grandmother was a fantastic > cook and I so regret not learning the family recipes from her. I find the > recipes talked about here are what I remember eating at her house. I > especially regret not learning how to pull the strudel dough for poppy > seed > strudel! :( > > Thank you, > Eileen Gauder Simcox > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just to add to this Eileen. To post to the list there is no fee to belong to this list - it is open to the public and here to help those who are looking for research advise or just to learn about their heritage. The link Dan sent is for membership to the "DVHH" - and we certainly can always use more members! I'm sure I'm not stating this 100% correctly - as this is not my area, but the mail list is and I am just trying to help you to understand that they are not exactly the same. Sorry for the "jump in", but I am trying to avoid future confusion and hopefully I didn't just add to it. Eve On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 3:38 PM, <schwob@earthlink.net> wrote: > Hi Eileen, > > Glad to see you're still around, you're definitely not eavesdropping! > > If you would like to renew your membership, you can do so here: > > http://www.dvhh.org/membership/ > > Best regards, > > Dan Larson > DVHH President > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eileen Simcox <easimcox@gmail.com> > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 3:11 PM > Subject: [DVHH] History of Germany > > Hi Everyone, > > I find the conversation regarding the history fascinating. I joined DVHH > several years ago, but I thought it was a yearly subscription? I've never > gotten a yearly notice to "re-up my membership"? So, I've felt guilty about > posting in the emails, as if I am eavesdropping? I would be happy to pay an > annual fee, if that is what is required . . . > > Many of you found my paternal line in the Familienbuch Kernei in der > Batschka (which I now own also). In my maternal line, three of my four > grandmothers are descended from the Luther line, also German. > > I recently had my DNA tested from ancestry.com and my results which should > have been "heavily German" were: Great Britain 72%, Italy/Greece 9%, Europe > West 9%, Trace Regions 14%. I was so upset at the results! I am German!!! I > am trying to find a way to either justify the results or negate them . . . > I recently heard a story on NPR from a black man whose DNA indicated that > he had 0% African. Has anyone else had this experience with DNA testing? > > Also, I am grateful for all of the recipes. My grandmother was a fantastic > cook and I so regret not learning the family recipes from her. I find the > recipes talked about here are what I remember eating at her house. I > especially regret not learning how to pull the strudel dough for poppy seed > strudel! :( > > Thank you, > Eileen Gauder Simcox > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

Hello Barb, to answer your question about dialects spoken in the 'Southeastdonauschwaben' settlements, there is no answer ,people, no matter what their "Muttersprache" was - doesn't count, because from village to village it differs, and the settlers wherever they came from dragged their own dialects with them - but there was always one thing I noticed - they understood each other. Gary from the province ' Syrmia' ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> To: <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 4:46 PM Subject: [DVHH] P.S. to Camps &Armies >I forgot to ask this really dumb question ,but how do I know if my families >are really donauschwaben and what dialect thy would have spoke. > There have been so many dialects refered to and I would like to know if > there is a way to tell. > Sorry I have so many questions, but I am a very curious person and love > quests. > Thanks again, > Barb D. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just read an article about one of the towns (Besseringen) in the present day Saarland where the Schreiner side of my family came from in the early 1700’s. It has the history from the earliest settlements in the area. It is under : DIE GESCHICHTE DES ORTES BESSERINGEN It is near the border of present day France, Luxemburg and the Saarland ( Germany). There was a continuous struggle between different countries and nobles. It was invaded, destroyed, suffered floods and wars and diseases. The borders were moved, reversed, split and shifted. Those suffering the most were the peasants. No wonder our ancestors left to escape such unsettling conditions. Anne D.

I forgot to ask this really dumb question ,but how do I know if my families are really donauschwaben and what dialect thy would have spoke. There have been so many dialects refered to and I would like to know if there is a way to tell. Sorry I have so many questions, but I am a very curious person and love quests. Thanks again, Barb D.

Hi Eileen, Glad to see you're still around, you're definitely not eavesdropping! If you would like to renew your membership, you can do so here: http://www.dvhh.org/membership/ Best regards, Dan Larson DVHH President -----Original Message----- From: Eileen Simcox <easimcox@gmail.com> To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 3:11 PM Subject: [DVHH] History of Germany Hi Everyone, I find the conversation regarding the history fascinating. I joined DVHH several years ago, but I thought it was a yearly subscription? I've never gotten a yearly notice to "re-up my membership"? So, I've felt guilty about posting in the emails, as if I am eavesdropping? I would be happy to pay an annual fee, if that is what is required . . . Many of you found my paternal line in the Familienbuch Kernei in der Batschka (which I now own also). In my maternal line, three of my four grandmothers are descended from the Luther line, also German. I recently had my DNA tested from ancestry.com and my results which should have been "heavily German" were: Great Britain 72%, Italy/Greece 9%, Europe West 9%, Trace Regions 14%. I was so upset at the results! I am German!!! I am trying to find a way to either justify the results or negate them . . . I recently heard a story on NPR from a black man whose DNA indicated that he had 0% African. Has anyone else had this experience with DNA testing? Also, I am grateful for all of the recipes. My grandmother was a fantastic cook and I so regret not learning the family recipes from her. I find the recipes talked about here are what I remember eating at her house. I especially regret not learning how to pull the strudel dough for poppy seed strudel! :( Thank you, Eileen Gauder Simcox ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi , First I want to THANK all the poster’s that have contributed all the wonderful recipe’s, history, & stories. I have enjoyed each and everyone. I am wondering if anyone out there can help me with two things: 1st. My mother told me that her Aunt Anna LEIMETTER from Deustch St. Michael ( B: abt: 190 was taken or sent to a work camp she thought in Russia. my problem is that she thought it was before wwII. I can’t find any info on anything like that happening before the war. I don’t know if she was already married and to who or not. Questions: Does anyone know anything about this happening and where can I get some info? 2nd, My Grandfather John BRATTAN was B:1896 in Deustch St. Michael went to war and was injured and spent a long time in an Italian hospital and returned 1917 or 18. Questions: How can I find out what army he served in and anything on his hospitalization. I really can use all the help I can get. It seems that no one knows very much about this tiny little town. Thanking you all in advance for any help you can give. Keep up the great listings’ I think this would be a great way for our schools to teach history. I have learned and understood more here in the last few months than all my time in school. I guess I must not have paid very good attention then, but I really didn,t care about the wars dates. I think it is about what happened to the countries and the wonderful people who lived in them and what it did to them and their families. Sorry to ramble on so long. Barb D

Hallo Nick, long time past since you heard from me. Your AM message "Germania" deserves an applause. What ever Roman writer Tacitus wrote about past inhabitants is OK with me. Charlemagne in history class always impressed me: a thousand year reign -wow- (and I got bad notes for it.) Perhaps " Imperium Romanum Sanctum,Sanctum" was an irritation to me... and there one of our sons studies and lives km.s' from the Vatican. "Let it be," but I want to go back to your extensive post today. Colonization: When Josef IInd of the Habsburgh Empire succeeded and was asked where he would reign from: He said Aachen or Frankfurt, acc. to AMG (Adam Mueller Guttenbrunn.)This is my message and whatever history says, or claims of the Reich by the double headed eagle or the single headed one. Is OK, too. Viva la Germania Gary Banzhaf/Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Tullius" <ntullius@rogers.com> To: "'DVHH'" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > Germany became a "Nation State" only in 1871, but "Germania" existed in > the Roman times (see what Roman writer Tacitus had to say about it and its > inhabitants: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/tacitus1.html > > Later, in the Middle Ages, the Holy Roman Empire came about when Frankish > king Charlemagne (German: Karl der Große) was crowned emperor, in the year > 800. It was a multi-ethnic complex of territories in central Europe, its > core and largest territory being the Kingdom of Germany. > In 1512 (Diet of Cologne), the name was officially changed to a > designation first used in a document in 1474: "Holy Roman Empire of the > German Nation" (German: Heiliges Römisches Reich Deutscher Nation, Latin: > Imperium Romanum Sacrum Nationis Germanicæ). > This empire lasted until 1806 and is known in German historiography as > the First German Empire (Erstes Deutsches Reich). > For more details see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire > > The main colonization of the Banat took place in the period of 1722 to > 1787. During that time (actually until 1806 - see above) the Habsburgs > were emperors of the Holy Roman Empire described above. It is true that > the Habsburgs ruled over a composite state comprising territories within > and outside the Holy Roman Empire, united only in the person of the > monarch, with the dynastic capital Vienna (except from 1583 to 1611, when > it was Prague). > From 1804 to 1867 the Habsburg Monarchy was formally unified as the > Austrian Empire. > From 1867 to 1918 it was the Austro-Hungarian Empire. > > This little summary of history may explain the reason that the majority of > colonists to the Banat did not come from the "Austrian" territories, but > from the north-west of Germany. Some did come from Alsace (Elsass), others > from Lorraine (Lothringen); some spoke German, others French. And some > came from other Habsburg possessions and spoke Bosnian, Croatian, Czech, > Hungarian, Italian, > Polish, Romanian, Serbian, Slovak, Slovene, Ukrainian, or Yiddish. > > It is a complicated history, but I hope this summary helps just a little > bit. > > Nick Tullius > > > -----Original Message----- > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda > Jaspersen > Sent: 27-Apr-14 08:52 > To: Daniel HILAIRE > Cc: DVHH > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe > > Hi Daniel, > > Thank you for your informative response. I'm somewhat embarrassed that I > forgot so much of my European history regarding Austria-Hungary. Of > course... Germany did not exist as a state before 1871! I just now > reviewed an old atlas from that period. It was an important step forward > in understanding the historical background of both Austria-Hungary and the > Banat region. > > Your response also lead to my reviewing the details of the 1919 Treaty of > Versailles, resulting in Germany ceding many territories, including Alsace > and Lorraine, which they had annexed in 1871, after the Franco-Prussian > War. It sounds like you know your history very well, but I definitely > needed to go back and review it all. Your gentle nudge in the right > direction has pushed me forward to a better understanding of the > historical facts and boundaries, which are obviously very important in > genealogy. > > Merci beaucoup! > > Linda > > > On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Daniel HILAIRE > <danielhilaire@hotmail.com>wrote: > >> John, >> >> Most of people coming from Alsace-Lorraine (in fact, Lorraine), didn't >> speak german when they arrived in Banat; they were speaking only >> french and same for their children; but, as the local administration, >> the army, sometimes the boys or the girls they married, were speaking >> german, they had to speak german and finally they lost their french >> language; so, >> 120-130 years after, when they arrived to US, they were speaking only >> german until... 120 years after, their descendants speak english and >> very few are able to speak german! >> Another point : Lorraine was not a part of France until 1766 Last >> point : Germany, as a state, didn't exist before 1871; to obtain this, >> Bismark had to fight against Austria in 1866 (and again the french in >> 1870). So, there was no "german from Austria-Hungary". >> >> But, as another member of the group explained very well a couple of >> days ago, it's too difficult for a Banater Schwaben to explain who he >> is really; so, let's people from Lorraine, speaking french, become... >> German from Austria. >> >> Hope you'll pardon me for these points. >> >> Bonne journée >> >> Daniel Hilaire, Bordeaux >> >> >> >> >> > From: jfschambre@comcast.net >> > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 08:53:15 -0700 >> > To: ljaspersen@gmail.com >> > CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >> >> > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >> > >> > Linda: It is possible your family came from Alsace-Lorraine France >> > where >> so many German speaking people lived and migrated to the Banat. I >> thought my family came from Germany too because, like yours, they >> always said they were German from Austria-Hungary. Well, they were >> German and, once they moved to the Banat, they were Austro-Hungarians >> but before that, probably back in the late 1600's or throughout the >> 1700 and 1800's they may have lived in France. It was quite a revelation >> to me. >> > >> > Interestingly, my family had relatives in Buffalo and Tonawanda too! >> Their family names were Bishop and Stetzer and, unfortunately I >> haven't been able to find out much about them. I remember them >> visiting us in Mansfield, Ohio (my home town) but we never went to New >> York to see them. >> So many mysteries to uncover! >> > >> > Best of luck in your research! >> > >> > John F. Schambre >> > San Francisco, CA >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Apr 24, 2014, at 5:44 AM, Linda Jaspersen <ljaspersen@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > > Rose - Thank you for starting this very informative thread! The >> heritage >> > > postings have been fascinating! I have enjoyed reading them all - >> trying to >> > > catch up after the busy Easter holiday. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Jody and other DVHH listees - I can relate to the many comments >> > > about little information offered by our Donauschwab ancestors. >> > > Perhaps they >> were >> > > too busy struggling to support their families, learn English, and >> adapt to >> > > a radically new life in their adopted country. And in my case... I >> > > also regret not asking the questions that might have triggered >> > > more sharing >> of >> > > oral history before my grandparents died. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Brief background for those interested: My maternal grandparents >> > > were >> born >> > > in Glogowatz, as were their parents and grandparents, etc., to the >> 1700’s, >> > > according to Erwin Kilzheimer’s wonderful Familienbuch. My GF >> immigrant to >> > > Buffalo, New York, as a teenager in 1909, age 13; his widowed >> > > mother >> (my GGM) >> > > immigrated in 1907, age 33. My GM immigrated to Tonawanda, New >> > > York, in 1914, age 12 years; her father had previously immigrated >> > > in 1906 & >> 1910, >> > > and returned to Glogowatz for the last time in 1914 to accompany >> > > his >> wife >> > > and 4 remaining children. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > There is still an active Hungarian Club in Buffalo, but no >> > > Donauschwabclub. My mother states that her parents and older >> > > sister went to the German club but that it closed during WWII and >> > > never reopened. There was >> distrust >> > > and fear at the time; many of the neighbors’ sons were soldiers >> fighting >> > > overseas. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > When my immigrant grandparents talked about “the old country” as >> > > they called it, they always spoke of themselves as Germans from >> Austria-Hungary, >> > > never mentioning either the Banat or Donauschwaben. One of my huge >> brick >> > > walls is trying to learn where in Germany my ancestors emigrated >> > > from >> in >> > > the 1700’s. Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find them in the >> > > Stadervolumes. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > All these postings and the information provided on the DVHH site >> > > have >> been >> > > a wonderful gift of discovery! There is always something new to >> > > learn, particularly from listers with family memories of what life >> > > was like >> in the >> > > Banat for both the people who stayed and those who emigrated. >> > > >> > > >> > > Thank You All, >> > > >> > > >> > > Linda >> > > >> > > >> > > On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Jody McKim Pharr >> <jodymckimpharr@comcast >> > > .net> wrote: >> > > >> > >> Tina, -- First or second marriage, you're still the daughter of a >> Schwowe. >> > >> Barb, -- My family who immigrated to the US lived like they were >> > >> in >> the >> > >> witness protection program. They would barely talk about anything. >> Papa >> > >> would tell his kids (my grandmother and siblings) to speak >> > >> English >> "You are >> > >> in America now!". It wasn't until 1999 when I started my family >> research >> > >> quest. It wasn’t easy figuring out all the answers to my >> > >> questions >> after >> > >> those who had the answers had passed away. Because of our >> > >> wonderful >> and >> > >> knowledgeable DVHH volunteers, it all fell in place. >> > >> >> > >> This list and DVHH volunteers love genealogical digs, so if you >> > >> have >> brick >> > >> walls, post it onto the mail list. >> > >> Note: If anyone helps you privately from the list, pass it back >> > >> to the entire mail list, it's the only way others who wish to >> > >> help can know >> where >> > >> you are at in your search. >> > >> >> > >> Thanks for sharing, >> > >> >> > >> Jody McKim Pharr >> > >> Woodstock, GA - USA >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> > >> From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: >> > >> donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tina >> > >> Michel >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 3:11 PM >> > >> To: Barb D; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >> > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >> > >> >> > >> I have the same feeling as you Barb. Although my father kept on >> telling >> > >> us about the good eating and all the things that were done in and >> around >> > >> his village, I took everything for granted instead of asking why >> > >> and >> how. >> > >> Also, we spoke several german dialects at home, but I never asked >> > >> my father why he would speak schwowisch and not better >> > >> Hochdeutsch >> (Academic >> > >> German). >> > >> >> > >> I was the youngest child of his second marriage, but I'm the only >> > >> one >> with >> > >> a sense of belonging to his community and his past, and sure >> > >> enough >> with a >> > >> need to dig and find out more. >> > >> >> > >> With kind regards, >> > >> >> > >> Tina Michel, >> > >> Montreal >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > >> From: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> >> > >> To: "SusanM" <soozn_6@yahoo.com>; < >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:24 PM >> > >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>> I agree!!!! This has been fun and very informative. I hope it >> > >>> keeps >> up. I >> > >>> am >> > >>> getting the feel for how my grandparents and families lived and >> died. So >> > >>> many question to go and I will probably never have the answers >> > >>> to >> most. I >> > >>> am >> > >>> not even sure how to know if we are Donauschwaben or not. >> > >>> I wish I had some stories to tell but it was my grandparents who >> lived in >> > >>> DSM. and they didn't talk a lot about the old country even to >> > >>> their >> kids >> > >>> (sometimes with their old country friends) or maybe we weren't >> > >>> paying enough attention to remember. All I can tell you is I >> > >>> wish I had had >> the >> > >>> foresight to ask or listen better. >> > >>> So keep the info coming please! If there is anything I can do to >> help let >> > >>> me >> > >>> know. I live in a suburb of Chicago, Il. >> > >>> Thanks so much for all info and help! >> > >>> Barb D. >> > >>> >> > >>> -----Original Message----- >> > >>> From: SusanM >> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:36 AM >> > >>> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com >> > >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschwaben and Schwowe >> > >>> >> > >>> I just wanted to say how much I have appreciated this >> > >>> discussion. It >> has >> > >>> been so interesting, and now I want to go back and hunt the >> archives. I'm >> > >>> not sure what search terms to use though. Anyway, I wanted to >> > >>> say >> thanks >> > >>> to >> > >>> people who have written on this thread. I'm fascinated. >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> Susan M >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> ------------------------------- >> > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' >> > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Everyone, I find the conversation regarding the history fascinating. I joined DVHH several years ago, but I thought it was a yearly subscription? I've never gotten a yearly notice to "re-up my membership"? So, I've felt guilty about posting in the emails, as if I am eavesdropping? I would be happy to pay an annual fee, if that is what is required . . . Many of you found my paternal line in the Familienbuch Kernei in der Batschka (which I now own also). In my maternal line, three of my four grandmothers are descended from the Luther line, also German. I recently had my DNA tested from ancestry.com and my results which should have been "heavily German" were: Great Britain 72%, Italy/Greece 9%, Europe West 9%, Trace Regions 14%. I was so upset at the results! I am German!!! I am trying to find a way to either justify the results or negate them . . . I recently heard a story on NPR from a black man whose DNA indicated that he had 0% African. Has anyone else had this experience with DNA testing? Also, I am grateful for all of the recipes. My grandmother was a fantastic cook and I so regret not learning the family recipes from her. I find the recipes talked about here are what I remember eating at her house. I especially regret not learning how to pull the strudel dough for poppy seed strudel! :( Thank you, Eileen Gauder Simcox

Richard, please see below Gesendet: Samstag, 26. April 2014 um 22:03 Uhr Von: rschreiber@vai.net An: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Betreff: [DVHH] Schreiber I recently acquired the Bruckenau family book and have finally been able to fill in the missing pieces. I have a question or two about what I am reading and hoping someone can assist me. Under my Great Grandfathers name Georg Schreiber *11.04.1867 Br +vor 1952 Birth 1867 death before 1952 vh K 22.01.1890 Br(Tz. Friedrich HIawatsch Mathias Keller) ( Not sure what this line is telling me) >>> vh: "verheiratet" that is when they married >>>K "Kirche" : in the church >>> 22.01.1890 : on 22 Jan 1890 >>>> Br: in Bruckenau >>>>> Tz: "Trauzeugen": witnesses have been: Friedrich Hlawatsch and Mathias Keller Also there is a subsequent note for Georg. folgende Bem. im Kirchenbuch ans krankenbett der frau Knapp aus fibisch gebracht 28.01.1941 >> he was brought to the bed of Mrs Knapp from Fibisch that was ill on 28 Jan 1941 Hope that helps Regards Anni