Hello Nick, I was catching up on all the Mailing List messages and just read your two delightful articles written in Banater Schwowisch. I love your folksy, down-home description of your childhood experiences in the Banat and can see myself transported to my own childhood in the Batschka, sitting on my grandfather's lap and listening to his stories. After I finished reading your stories, I thought it would be great to have a translation for our non-Schwowisch-speaking friends. But then I scrolled down to the bottom of the page, and there they were - two links to the English translations! http://www.dvhh.org/banat/Exams-Temesvar~NTullius.htm http://www.dvhh.org/banat/Village-Music-Homeland~NTullius.htm Thank you, Nick, for sharing your memories with us! Rose Vetter On 24 April 2014 18:01, DVHH Webmaster <dvhh.community@comcast.net> wrote: > I am pleased to announce a new publication by Nick Tullius. The Banater > Post published two of his short stories written in the schwowisch dialect > about his Banat home village of Schandrhaas. A reminder of days gone by > but > still close at heart. Even if your roots are from a different settlement > region, I recommend reading all the stories published at DVHH. > > > > Article can be found under News & Additions at the Banat homepage: > http://www.dvhh.org/banat/ > > > > "My Mother tongue - OUR PEOPLE WRITE SCHWOWISCH - MEMORIES OF MY YOUTH IN > THE BANAT": Exams in Temeswar & Village Music in the Homeland by Nick > Tullius. > > > > Enjoy, I did. > > Thank you Nick! > > > > Jody McKim Pharr > > Woodstock, GA > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I guess I am late hearing about Microsoft's problem, because that is what I am using. When I get home tonight, I will post another way of accessing the info. Rita Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 08:27:24 -0700 Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fw: From: res00fr1@gmail.com To: schiwanore@msn.com Rita, Thank you for the link but it seems to be unresponsive. None of the controls do anything. Is there a secret to getting any info from the sight. I am using Microsoft's advice and not using Internet Explorer until their bug is fixed so I am using the Firefox browser. On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 5:15 AM, Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com> wrote: Yugoslav Post-WWII Jail Camp Prisoners Named The names of people imprisoned at a notorious detention camp on the Croatian island of Goli Otok were published online as part of an exhibition aimed at exposing Communist crimes. http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/list-of-goli-otok-prisoners-published-online?utm_source=Balkan+Transitional+Justice+Daily+Newsletter&utm_campaign=c28b26ea0b-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_561b9a25c3-c28b26ea0b-319678805 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Robert, According to the Banater Post of March 15, 2014, the FB Warjasch will go (or went) to the printer in March. The two volumes will cost 70 Euro plus shipping & handling. Nick Tullius -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robert Evensen Sent: 28-Apr-14 22:35 To: DVHH Mail List Subject: [DVHH] FB Warjasch Does anyone know when the new Familienbuch for Warjasch will be released? Orders are being collected, but I don’t know if it has been printed and copies mailed out. Robert Evensen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank all of you for your input on the DNA topic. I have a much better understanding now. I didn't even think about running the information through another site. I do feel much better now, knowing that the history I thought I had solved, goes much deeper. It is also time to crack open some history books :)

HI Bill, Thanks for that. I don’t understand why that happens, it looks correct when I am sending it. I’ll try again, if this doesn’t work ya’ll do as Bill did. http://www.dvhh.org/history/1900s/Fate-Germans-Banat-after-1944~Weber~Tullius.htm Jody From: wknuttel@aol.com [mailto:wknuttel@aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 10:51 PM To: dvhh.community@comcast.net; DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-L@rootsweb.com; ntullius@rogers.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] New: The Fate of the Germans in the Banat After the Coup of August 23, 1944, and until their deportation in the Bărăgan-steppe in June 1951 I had problems opening the link, but then realized that the last few letters were cut off. If your e-mail delivered the link in the same way as I received simply copy and paste the entire thing into your browser and Nick's translation of the Weber book will come up immediately. Cheers, Bill K. -----Original Message----- From: DVHH Webmaster <dvhh.community@comcast.net> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-L <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-L@rootsweb.com>; Nick Tullius <ntullius@rogers.com> Sent: Mon, Apr 28, 2014 7:37 pm Subject: [DVHH] New: The Fate of the Germans in the Banat After the Coup of August 23, 1944, and until their deportation in the Bărăgan-steppe in June 1951 I'd like to announce a new publication in our History section: The Fate of the Germans in the Banat After the Coup of August 23, 1944, and until their deportation in the Bărăgan-steppe in June 1951 by Wilhelm Weber, 2001 - Translated and Edited by Nick Tullius, 21 Apr 2014. Nick's note: Having had lived through some of the events mentioned in this article I can attest that these are the most concise and comprehensive accounts I have ever come across, and the first time that I see the sequence and dates on which the various horrible things to which we Romania-Germans were subjected. http://www.dvhh.org/history/1900s/Fate-Germans-Banat-after-1944~Weber~Tulliu s.htm Thank you for another great read Nick! I enjoy reading about the area where my Banat ancestors lived. I have a 1953 Neuer Weg Almanach (book, similar to the Kalender) and just going through it, I sense the oppression of its contents, even in the photos; and the poems I'd like to have translated because I bet they tell a story. Much different than the DS Kalender books content. Jody McKim Pharr DVHH Publisher ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I had problems opening the link, but then realized that the last few letters were cut off. If your e-mail delivered the link in the same way as I received simply copy and paste the entire thing into your browser and Nick's translation of the Weber book will come up immediately. Cheers, Bill K. -----Original Message----- From: DVHH Webmaster <dvhh.community@comcast.net> To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-L <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-L@rootsweb.com>; Nick Tullius <ntullius@rogers.com> Sent: Mon, Apr 28, 2014 7:37 pm Subject: [DVHH] New: The Fate of the Germans in the Banat After the Coup of August 23, 1944, and until their deportation in the Bărăgan-steppe in June 1951 I'd like to announce a new publication in our History section: The Fate of the Germans in the Banat After the Coup of August 23, 1944, and until their deportation in the Bărăgan-steppe in June 1951 by Wilhelm Weber, 2001 - Translated and Edited by Nick Tullius, 21 Apr 2014. Nick's note: Having had lived through some of the events mentioned in this article I can attest that these are the most concise and comprehensive accounts I have ever come across, and the first time that I see the sequence and dates on which the various horrible things to which we Romania-Germans were subjected. http://www.dvhh.org/history/1900s/Fate-Germans-Banat-after-1944~Weber~Tulliu s.htm Thank you for another great read Nick! I enjoy reading about the area where my Banat ancestors lived. I have a 1953 Neuer Weg Almanach (book, similar to the Kalender) and just going through it, I sense the oppression of its contents, even in the photos; and the poems I'd like to have translated because I bet they tell a story. Much different than the DS Kalender books content. Jody McKim Pharr DVHH Publisher ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'd like to announce a new publication in our History section: The Fate of the Germans in the Banat After the Coup of August 23, 1944, and until their deportation in the Bărăgan-steppe in June 1951 by Wilhelm Weber, 2001 - Translated and Edited by Nick Tullius, 21 Apr 2014. Nick's note: Having had lived through some of the events mentioned in this article I can attest that these are the most concise and comprehensive accounts I have ever come across, and the first time that I see the sequence and dates on which the various horrible things to which we Romania-Germans were subjected. http://www.dvhh.org/history/1900s/Fate-Germans-Banat-after-1944~Weber~Tulliu s.htm Thank you for another great read Nick! I enjoy reading about the area where my Banat ancestors lived. I have a 1953 Neuer Weg Almanach (book, similar to the Kalender) and just going through it, I sense the oppression of its contents, even in the photos; and the poems I'd like to have translated because I bet they tell a story. Much different than the DS Kalender books content. Jody McKim Pharr DVHH Publisher

Does anyone know when the new Familienbuch for Warjasch will be released? Orders are being collected, but I don’t know if it has been printed and copies mailed out. Robert Evensen

Tony might need to install adobe reader or flash player for that file. It does take awhile to load up either way. Eve On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 9:22 PM, Rose Mary Keller Hughes < rhughes5@rochester.rr.com> wrote: > I just tried it and it came up. It first looks like a blank page but just > give it time to load. The document is large and it takes a while to load. > Hopefully it will come up for you, Anton. > > From: Tony Fieder > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 8:32 PM > To: Rose Mary Keller Hughes > Subject: RE: [DVHH] Camps & Army's > > I can't get the site to load ... tried three times ... nothing comes up??? > > Anton Fieder > > > > > > From: rhughes5@rochester.rr.com > > To: bbd2424@gmail.com; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 16:33:18 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Camps & Army's > > > > Hello again Barb, > > > > I've tried a search on the document but wasn't successful. However, you > > might want to do a search yourself trying different spellings . . . Dave > > Dreyer has made available a free copy of the "Banaters in Austrian > Military > > Records" . . . you can download it to your computer or to a disk or flash > > drive and then you'll have it available if you want to do any other > > searches. Just go to: > > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~banatdata/DDB/Banat%20Family%20History%20Series%20Book%20VI.pdf > > > > A handy research available for the taking. > > > > Rose Mary > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Barb D > > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 4:36 PM > > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [DVHH] Camps & Army's > > > > Hi , > > First I want to THANK all the poster’s that have contributed all the > > wonderful recipe’s, history, & stories. I have enjoyed each and everyone. > > I am wondering if anyone out there can help me with two things: > > 1st. My mother told me that her Aunt Anna LEIMETTER from Deustch St. > Michael > > ( B: abt: 190 was taken or sent to a work camp she thought in Russia. > > my problem is that she thought it was before wwII. I can’t find any > > info on anything like that happening before the war. I don’t know if she > was > > already married and to who or not. > > Questions: Does anyone know anything about this happening and where > > can I get some info? > > 2nd, My Grandfather John BRATTAN was B:1896 in Deustch St. Michael went > to > > war and was injured and spent a long time in an Italian hospital and > > returned 1917 or 18. > > Questions: How can I find out what army he served in and anything > > on his hospitalization. > > I really can use all the help I can get. It seems that no one knows very > > much about this tiny little town. > > Thanking you all in advance for any help you can give. > > Keep up the great listings’ I think this would be a great way for our > > schools to teach history. I have learned and understood more here in the > > last few months than all my time in school. > > I guess I must not have paid very good attention then, but I really > didn,t > > care about the wars dates. I think it is about what happened to the > > countries and the wonderful people who lived in them and what it did to > them > > and their families. > > Sorry to ramble on so long. > > Barb D > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > --- > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > > http://www.avast.com > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

I had this situation in my grandparents' home. Grandpa spoke "high German" even as a DS and grandma....didn't. So even in later years they would banter about what the correct name of something was. And of course, grandma who could show her temper, would get on Grandpa for his 'High-German ways"..... He was from Kowatschi (Kovasci) and she was born in GrossJetscha, although grew up in Eichental (Gyulatelep). Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Schambre" <jfschambre@comcast.net> To: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> Cc: <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [DVHH] P.S. to Camps &Armies >I am also very interesting in knowing what 'swabish' dialect was spoken in >Weisenhaid and Blumenthal. My grandfather always said "We speak Swabish >German so many who speak high german do not understand us", and it was >true! I had friends who's parents were German and spoke high German and >when they got together with my grandparents they had to speak English! :-) > > Good luck. Hope you can find an answer to your question. > > John > > John F. Schambre > San Francisco, CA > > > > On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:46 PM, Barb D <bbd2424@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I forgot to ask this really dumb question ,but how do I know if my >> families are really donauschwaben and what dialect thy would have spoke. >> There have been so many dialects refered to and I would like to know if >> there is a way to tell. >> Sorry I have so many questions, but I am a very curious person and love >> quests. >> Thanks again, >> Barb D. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

I just tried it and it came up. It first looks like a blank page but just give it time to load. The document is large and it takes a while to load. Hopefully it will come up for you, Anton. From: Tony Fieder Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 8:32 PM To: Rose Mary Keller Hughes Subject: RE: [DVHH] Camps & Army's I can't get the site to load ... tried three times ... nothing comes up??? Anton Fieder > From: rhughes5@rochester.rr.com > To: bbd2424@gmail.com; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 16:33:18 -0400 > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Camps & Army's > > Hello again Barb, > > I've tried a search on the document but wasn't successful. However, you > might want to do a search yourself trying different spellings . . . Dave > Dreyer has made available a free copy of the "Banaters in Austrian Military > Records" . . . you can download it to your computer or to a disk or flash > drive and then you'll have it available if you want to do any other > searches. Just go to: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~banatdata/DDB/Banat%20Family%20History%20Series%20Book%20VI.pdf > > A handy research available for the taking. > > Rose Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barb D > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 4:36 PM > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DVHH] Camps & Army's > > Hi , > First I want to THANK all the poster’s that have contributed all the > wonderful recipe’s, history, & stories. I have enjoyed each and everyone. > I am wondering if anyone out there can help me with two things: > 1st. My mother told me that her Aunt Anna LEIMETTER from Deustch St. Michael > ( B: abt: 190 was taken or sent to a work camp she thought in Russia. > my problem is that she thought it was before wwII. I can’t find any > info on anything like that happening before the war. I don’t know if she was > already married and to who or not. > Questions: Does anyone know anything about this happening and where > can I get some info? > 2nd, My Grandfather John BRATTAN was B:1896 in Deustch St. Michael went to > war and was injured and spent a long time in an Italian hospital and > returned 1917 or 18. > Questions: How can I find out what army he served in and anything > on his hospitalization. > I really can use all the help I can get. It seems that no one knows very > much about this tiny little town. > Thanking you all in advance for any help you can give. > Keep up the great listings’ I think this would be a great way for our > schools to teach history. I have learned and understood more here in the > last few months than all my time in school. > I guess I must not have paid very good attention then, but I really didn,t > care about the wars dates. I think it is about what happened to the > countries and the wonderful people who lived in them and what it did to them > and their families. > Sorry to ramble on so long. > Barb D > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Anyone with Franz / Franzen family from Neudorf? Jody

I'm sorry - I over-edited. Eduard Scheer/Scher/Scher b1889 d1961 Parents Peter b1859 d 1913 Deta Borbala Braun b 1865 d 1932 Deta Spouse - Irene Farkas b 1906 Cleveland OH d 2001 Sent from my iPad > On Apr 28, 2014, at 7:22 PM, "Jody McKim Pharr" <jodymckimpharr@comcast.net> wrote: > > Give first and last names of your ancestors and their spouses info when. > Was his name Johann / John Scheer? > > Jody > > > -----Original Message----- > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of suervl@roadrunner.com > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 5:59 PM > To: Rose Mary Keller Hughes; Sandra > Cc: <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Camps & Army's > > This site and list have been incredible.. history, recipes, person reflections, geography, everything! > > This reply probably belongs to another inquiry but.... > > My grandpa Scheer was born in 1889 in Deta, Romania and came to America in 1905. We always wondered why a (supposedly) older son would be allowed leave his village at the age of 16 to live with his sister and brother-in-law in New Jersey. My mom said grandpa didn't talk about his family and village, only a few stories about his grandmother. She said he never identified himself as being German, Hungarian or DS and he was fluent in Hungarian and high German. There may have been DS living in their (Cleveland, OH) neighborhood because he would refer to someone being "Schwaban". > > Along with Sandra, I wondered how my grandpa's family in Deta (near Timosora) escaped the work camps. Grandpa lost contact with his family prior to the start of WW1. His sister and her family had moved back to Deta. > While visiting New Jersey in 1946, grandpa looked up old friends who were from his village. They were in contact not only with their family but his as well. Letters and pictures were exchanged until his death in 1961. For unknown reasons my grandma discontined writing letters to her sister-in-laws. > If only she had kept up correspondence! > > Thanks to all who have given me new insight to a wonderful culture. > Susan > > PS- is there anyone on this list familiar with grandpa's village of Deta? >

Hello Linda, You post pleased me very much. My mother and oma did schwabel al little bit... but they spoke a relaxed version of "high German".... and from what Mom says, they did so at home also. They knew the dialect in the town... but did not always use it. Also, schwabish varied from town to town.... mostly depending on what regions the original settlers were from. There is a neighboring town to my mothers and, she says, they could barely understand them. Rita Colorado and Jabuka > From: famline@embarqmail.com > To: jfschambre@comcast.net; bbd2424@gmail.com > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 21:26:09 -0400 > CC: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DVHH] P.S. to Camps &Armies > > I had this situation in my grandparents' home. Grandpa spoke "high German" > even as a DS and grandma....didn't. So even in later years they would > banter about what the correct name of something was. And of course, grandma > who could show her temper, would get on Grandpa for his 'High-German > ways"..... > He was from Kowatschi (Kovasci) and she was born in GrossJetscha, although > grew up in Eichental (Gyulatelep). > Linda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Schambre" <jfschambre@comcast.net> > To: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com> > Cc: <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 4:54 PM > Subject: Re: [DVHH] P.S. to Camps &Armies > > > >I am also very interesting in knowing what 'swabish' dialect was spoken in > >Weisenhaid and Blumenthal. My grandfather always said "We speak Swabish > >German so many who speak high german do not understand us", and it was > >true! I had friends who's parents were German and spoke high German and > >when they got together with my grandparents they had to speak English! :-) > > > > Good luck. Hope you can find an answer to your question. > > > > John > > > > John F. Schambre > > San Francisco, CA > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:46 PM, Barb D <bbd2424@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> I forgot to ask this really dumb question ,but how do I know if my > >> families are really donauschwaben and what dialect thy would have spoke. > >> There have been so many dialects refered to and I would like to know if > >> there is a way to tell. > >> Sorry I have so many questions, but I am a very curious person and love > >> quests. > >> Thanks again, > >> Barb D. > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Give first and last names of your ancestors and their spouses info when. Was his name Johann / John Scheer? Jody -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of suervl@roadrunner.com Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 5:59 PM To: Rose Mary Keller Hughes; Sandra Cc: <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Camps & Army's This site and list have been incredible.. history, recipes, person reflections, geography, everything! This reply probably belongs to another inquiry but.... My grandpa Scheer was born in 1889 in Deta, Romania and came to America in 1905. We always wondered why a (supposedly) older son would be allowed leave his village at the age of 16 to live with his sister and brother-in-law in New Jersey. My mom said grandpa didn't talk about his family and village, only a few stories about his grandmother. She said he never identified himself as being German, Hungarian or DS and he was fluent in Hungarian and high German. There may have been DS living in their (Cleveland, OH) neighborhood because he would refer to someone being "Schwaban". Along with Sandra, I wondered how my grandpa's family in Deta (near Timosora) escaped the work camps. Grandpa lost contact with his family prior to the start of WW1. His sister and her family had moved back to Deta. While visiting New Jersey in 1946, grandpa looked up old friends who were from his village. They were in contact not only with their family but his as well. Letters and pictures were exchanged until his death in 1961. For unknown reasons my grandma discontined writing letters to her sister-in-laws. If only she had kept up correspondence! Thanks to all who have given me new insight to a wonderful culture. Susan PS- is there anyone on this list familiar with grandpa's village of Deta?

England was invaded by the french Duke William II of Normandy (William the Conqueror) at the Battle of Hastings in 1066, hence the french names cropping up in Britain from then onwards! Diana -----Original Message----- From: Hans Kopp Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 5:42 PM To: John Schambre ; Eileen Simcox Cc: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] History of Germany - and DNA results Hi John & Eileen Your DNA is quite different as it seems to be of recent times meaning from the last 10,000 years or since the ice time. I am quite stunned about the two different DNA's between you and Dan. The question is now why? Gruss Hans On Sunday, April 27, 2014 4:52 PM, John Schambre <jfschambre@comcast.net> wrote: Hi Eileen: Found your DNA story interesting as mine showed up as a big surprise too. My grandparents came to the US in 1914 from Wiesenhaid and they always told me 'we are German' period! I never heard of anything about ancestors in France, etc. But when I did my DNA the real surprise came: It shows that I am: 1/3 British Isles, 1/3 Northern European and 1/3 Southern European - which, according to Ancestry.com info means Italy, Spain, Portugal, etc. I didn't believe it either, so I had my my aunt and my sister take the tests too - their results came out very similar to mine, except for the Southern European. So, I had my mother do her DNA. Her father was Hungarian from the start - so I thought, but he had quite dark skin and now that I know there were all sorts of people living in Hungary in the 1800's I suspect my maternal grandfather had either Italian, Greek or possibly even Turkish blood in him and I'm nearly certain that is where my Southern European roots come from. Now, the British Isles really stumped me until a research told me that the name Chambre is very common in Ireland and england as far back as the 1300's!! I still have not confirmed that I had relatives from that area but I'm looking into it and, in fact, on Ancestry.com I was researching English records and hit upon a Chambre from the mid-late 1400's who was named as primary physician to King Kenry the 8th!! I laughed, thinking that I might have had a famous relaltive -- but that is going WAY back in time and I'll need a lot more than one document to make me believe he is of my family. So, especially if you are from the Alsace-Lorraine area, you may indeed have British blood in your line since I was advised that many French lived in Ireland and England back in those days. Oh, if only we could go back in time just to look and see for ourselves where we came from :-)) Don't worry too much though - at least for me I find the different DNA readings to be interesting but in my mind and heart I still believe my Grandfather: We are German! Period! :-)) All the best in your research. John John F. Schambre San Francisco, CA On Apr 27, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Eileen Simcox <easimcox@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I find the conversation regarding the history fascinating. I joined DVHH > several years ago, but I thought it was a yearly subscription? I've never > gotten a yearly notice to "re-up my membership"? So, I've felt guilty > about > posting in the emails, as if I am eavesdropping? I would be happy to pay > an > annual fee, if that is what is required . . . > > Many of you found my paternal line in the Familienbuch Kernei in der > Batschka (which I now own also). In my maternal line, three of my four > grandmothers are descended from the Luther line, also German. > > I recently had my DNA tested from ancestry.com and my results which should > have been "heavily German" were: Great Britain 72%, Italy/Greece 9%, > Europe > West 9%, Trace Regions 14%. I was so upset at the results! I am German!!! > I > am trying to find a way to either justify the results or negate them . . . > I recently heard a story on NPR from a black man whose DNA indicated that > he had 0% African. Has anyone else had this experience with DNA testing? > > Also, I am grateful for all of the recipes. My grandmother was a fantastic > cook and I so regret not learning the family recipes from her. I find the > recipes talked about here are what I remember eating at her house. I > especially regret not learning how to pull the strudel dough for poppy > seed > strudel! :( > > Thank you, > Eileen Gauder Simcox > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This site and list have been incredible.. history, recipes, person reflections, geography, everything! This reply probably belongs to another inquiry but.... My grandpa Scheer was born in 1889 in Deta, Romania and came to America in 1905. We always wondered why a (supposedly) older son would be allowed leave his village at the age of 16 to live with his sister and brother-in-law in New Jersey. My mom said grandpa didn't talk about his family and village, only a few stories about his grandmother. She said he never identified himself as being German, Hungarian or DS and he was fluent in Hungarian and high German. There may have been DS living in their (Cleveland, OH) neighborhood because he would refer to someone being "Schwaban". Along with Sandra, I wondered how my grandpa's family in Deta (near Timosora) escaped the work camps. Grandpa lost contact with his family prior to the start of WW1. His sister and her family had moved back to Deta. While visiting New Jersey in 1946, grandpa looked up old friends who were from his village. They were in contact not only with their family but his as well. Letters and pictures were exchanged until his death in 1961. For unknown reasons my grandma discontined writing letters to her sister-in-laws. If only she had kept up correspondence! Thanks to all who have given me new insight to a wonderful culture. Susan PS- is there anyone on this list familiar with grandpa's village of Deta? ---- Sandra <sldodgers@yahoo.com> wrote: > Thank you for sharing Fifty Years After. I am wondering how my (German ancesters ) who lived near Timisoara avoided trouble with the Russians. I heard once someone say, my Great Grandfather was a bit of a shyster. He remained in Buzias, died in 1958 and buried in local cemetery. Sent from my iPad > On Apr 28, 2014, at 7:01 AM, "Rose Mary Keller Hughes" <rhughes5@rochester.rr.com> wrote: > > Hello Barb, > > It was in 1945 when the DS were taken to Russia to work as slave labor. > These two articles will give you a sense of what happened there. I had at > least five relatives who were taken there in train cattle cars. There were > others I have found who died in the camps. > > Here is an accounting remembering the terrible experience: > > http://www.dvhh.org/semlak/Dusseldorf~pt-1-fifty-yrs-after.htm > > Also there is a journal of a young man/boy of his declining health in a > Russian camp: > > http://www.dvhh.org/semlak/Toth-deportation-diary.htm > > I could not find your grandfather in David Dreyers, "Banaters in Austrian > Military Records" but I am in a rush to go off to an appointment. I will > look again this afternoon. > > Rose Mary Keller Hughes > W Henrietta, NY, USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barb D > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 4:36 PM > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DVHH] Camps & Army's > > Hi , > First I want to THANK all the poster’s that have contributed all the > wonderful recipe’s, history, & stories. I have enjoyed each and everyone. > I am wondering if anyone out there can help me with two things: > 1st. My mother told me that her Aunt Anna LEIMETTER from Deustch St. Michael > ( B: abt: 190 was taken or sent to a work camp she thought in Russia. > my problem is that she thought it was before wwII. I can’t find any > info on anything like that happening before the war. I don’t know if she was > already married and to who or not. > Questions: Does anyone know anything about this happening and where > can I get some info? > 2nd, My Grandfather John BRATTAN was B:1896 in Deustch St. Michael went to > war and was injured and spent a long time in an Italian hospital and > returned 1917 or 18. > Questions: How can I find out what army he served in and anything > on his hospitalization. > I really can use all the help I can get. It seems that no one knows very > much about this tiny little town. > Thanking you all in advance for any help you can give. > Keep up the great listings’ I think this would be a great way for our > schools to teach history. I have learned and understood more here in the > last few months than all my time in school. > I guess I must not have paid very good attention then, but I really didn,t > care about the wars dates. I think it is about what happened to the > countries and the wonderful people who lived in them and what it did to them > and their families. > Sorry to ramble on so long. > Barb D > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello again Barb, I've tried a search on the document but wasn't successful. However, you might want to do a search yourself trying different spellings . . . Dave Dreyer has made available a free copy of the "Banaters in Austrian Military Records" . . . you can download it to your computer or to a disk or flash drive and then you'll have it available if you want to do any other searches. Just go to: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~banatdata/DDB/Banat%20Family%20History%20Series%20Book%20VI.pdf A handy research available for the taking. Rose Mary -----Original Message----- From: Barb D Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 4:36 PM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] Camps & Army's Hi , First I want to THANK all the poster’s that have contributed all the wonderful recipe’s, history, & stories. I have enjoyed each and everyone. I am wondering if anyone out there can help me with two things: 1st. My mother told me that her Aunt Anna LEIMETTER from Deustch St. Michael ( B: abt: 190 was taken or sent to a work camp she thought in Russia. my problem is that she thought it was before wwII. I can’t find any info on anything like that happening before the war. I don’t know if she was already married and to who or not. Questions: Does anyone know anything about this happening and where can I get some info? 2nd, My Grandfather John BRATTAN was B:1896 in Deustch St. Michael went to war and was injured and spent a long time in an Italian hospital and returned 1917 or 18. Questions: How can I find out what army he served in and anything on his hospitalization. I really can use all the help I can get. It seems that no one knows very much about this tiny little town. Thanking you all in advance for any help you can give. Keep up the great listings’ I think this would be a great way for our schools to teach history. I have learned and understood more here in the last few months than all my time in school. I guess I must not have paid very good attention then, but I really didn,t care about the wars dates. I think it is about what happened to the countries and the wonderful people who lived in them and what it did to them and their families. Sorry to ramble on so long. Barb D ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

My great grandfather was said to be in some part of military intelligence for Austria Hungary during ww1. He was sent to a prison camp in Siberia but survived came home to Temesvar. His name was Schwartz. He was married to a woman whose maiden name was tausendberger. It has been difficult finding his lineage. Any help would be so wonderful. My aunt thought he was a spy Marilyn. Sent from my iPhone

Vary good history Tina. The Franken did have an heritance rule; "all heirs would get equal shares" Therefore each grandson did get a share of Karl the Great (Charlemagne) empire.  The oldest grandson Lothar did get Lothringen named after him. His part of the empire reached from what is now northern Italy including Corsica, Tuscany, The Kingdom of Itay, The Lombardi, Freiau, Burgund, Elsass the land to the north called Lothringen, and Friesland. The second grandson Karl did get West Franken including Gascony, Aquitania, and Francia. Ludwig the youngest also called "the German" did get East Franken, including Carinthia, Bavaria, Alamania, Franken, Thüringen, Saxony. Lothringen now includes Holland, Belgium and Luxembourg. The land to the south is what was left of Lothringen, partly speaking French but mainly speaking German, that is until our ancestors were forced out and settled with French speaking people. 100,000 people came to settle in Hungary of which 24.6 came from Lothringen not speak of the people who left from Lothringen to the USA and Canada?     The problem was that Lothar died early and his land was divided again among the living brothers. Which started continued brother feuds.  The out come even today thee feud goes on between the French and Germans whose is whose.  Sources map:           The Anchor Atlas of World History, by Hermann Kinder and Werner Hilgemann.Gruss Hans On Sunday, April 27, 2014 1:18 PM, Beth Tolfree <cbtol43@bak.rr.com> wrote:   To All List Members: The DVHH website has a good section devoted to Alsace-Lorraine with much information, maps and links to other sources. http://dvhh.org/genealogy/alsace-lorraine.htm Beth Tolfree www.dvhh.org/apatin/ -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peggy Doyle Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 7:27 AM To: donauschwaben village list Subject: [DVHH] History of Lorraine Hi Tina, Thank you for the information on the history of the area of Lorraine. I have a genealogy help group on Facebook for Lorraine and I was wondering if I might copy your letter (with full credit to you of course) and post it in my group to assist people. Yours is the best explanation of the history of the region I have seen. Peggy Doyle --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: tranpro@primus.ca CC: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com To: jfschambre@comcast.net; milpegg@centurytel.net Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 00:48:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [DVHH] Marienfeld look-up please If I may add a precision.  I was born in Metz, Departement of Moselle, Lorraine Region (Lothringen, Mosel in German).  This region, let's say, is part of France since the end of WWII, but was once an independent Duchy. It was much bigger in size at the time of the 3 grandsons of Karl the Great (Charlemagne - around 840 and even after for some centuries), King of the Franks (germanic tribe).  After the death of Louis the son of Karl the Great, his empire was divided into three and given to his 3 sons. Lorraine/Lothringer was given to Lothar or Lothaire in French (that's where the name of the region comes from): see Wiki for more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorraine_(region). The Land of Saar (German Saarland - French la Sarre), used to be part of Lorraine for a short period only, but this is not what is called the German Lorraine (Deutsch Lothringen).  It is only the Departement of Moselle that was always called the German Lorraine. This is one of the 4 departements that compose the Region of Lorraine.  Alsace is a different region  (given to Louis the German, brother of Lothar), is even more germanic (Alemanni). You will find very interesting facts reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsace. In 1940, the Departement of Moselle and the Region of Alsace were considered German de facto.  After 1945, these two returned to France. In regards to Alsace-Lorraine (Elsass-Lothringen in German) - this is also a short-lived expression.  It lasted only as long as the Prussians controlled the area (1870-1918), although it would be more accurate to say Alsace-Moselle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsace-Lorraine. So if anyone of you thinks that his ancestors could have come from Lorraine, they may indeed have spoken either French or German, whereas for Alsace, it is more likely they have spoken a german dialekt (close enough, in some villages, to the Schwowisch dialekt). I hope this has helped clarify some misunderstandings. Best regards to all the group. Tina Michel, Montreal ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Schambre" <jfschambre@comcast.net> To: "Peggy" <milpegg@centurytel.net> Cc: "DVHH Mail List" <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [DVHH] Marienfeld look-up please Hi Peggy: I don't know anything about Marienfeld but I do know that Lothringen is the name given to the area in Alsace-Lorraine France where many 'german speaking' people lived and eventually migrated to the Banat.  I found my family there too! I'm sure you will hear from other regarding marienfeld as it appears there are quite a few listers who are familiar with that town. Best of luck! John F. Schambre San Francisco, CA                         ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message