Can anyone assist? John, I invite you to subscribe to the DVHH mail list, see: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/HUN/DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES.htm l - Jody From: DVHH Feedback [mailto:contact_request@dvhh.org] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 4:09 PM To: dvhh.community@comcast.net Subject: Fibisch Hungary Ancestry The following feedback was sent by John Moritz (moritz_john@yahoo.com) via the www.dvhh.org Contact page: Hi - My great-grandfather\'s name is Peter Moritz and he is from Fibisch Hungary. He was born in 1884 and came to Mansfield, Ohio in April 1905. Do you have any documents of the Moritz Family in this town? Thanks! John DVHH-L Subscriber: N IP Address: 54.240.196.186

Can anyone assist? Sandra, I invite you to subscribe to the DVHH mail list, see: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/HUN/DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES.htm l - Jody From: DVHH Feedback [mailto:contact_request@dvhh.org] Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 8:10 PM To: dvhh.community@comcast.net Subject: Kraus family in Timisoaura/Buzias The following feedback was sent by Sandra Dodgers (sldodgers@yahoo.com) via the www.dvhh.org Contact page: Looking for Paul Kraus (DOB est 1850/60) came from Stuttgart area with 3 sons, John, Andreas, and Fritz to Timisaoura/Buzias area around 1880/90. This may be duplicate request as first indicated mail error. Thank you Sandra DVHH-L Subscriber: Y IP Address: 99.179.17.29

Can someone assist further? Elizabeth, I invite you to subscribe to the DVHH mail list, see: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/HUN/DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES.htm l Please provide the name of the book you are seeking. - Jody From: DVHH Feedback [mailto:contact_request@dvhh.org] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 6:05 AM To: dvhh.community@comcast.net Subject: how can i order the book The following feedback was sent by elizabeth hebert (eahebert2001@yahoo.com) via the www.dvhh.org Contact page: to help find my Swabian relatives last seen in records in Hungary around 1910 DVHH-L Subscriber: N IP Address: 93.74.238.184

See below, can anyone assist? Lorraine, I invite you to subscribe to the DVHH mail list, see: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/HUN/DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES.htm l - Jody From: DVHH Feedback [mailto:contact_request@dvhh.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:51 PM To: dvhh.community@comcast.net Subject: Kernei The following feedback was sent by Lorraine Carpita (raerae2352@yahoo.com) via the www.dvhh.org Contact page: My grandparents and father were born in Kernei and immigrated to the USA in 1921, settling in Chicago. Is a copy of the 1805 Batschka map available for purchase? Also, I would like to research my family tree and find relatives in the US and Germany. After my grandmother passed away and my parents moved to FL, these connections were lost. Any suggestions on how to start? DVHH-L Subscriber: N IP Address: 24.15.96.232

See below, can anyone assist further? Arpad, I invite you to subscribe to the DVHH mail list, see: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/HUN/DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES.htm l - Jody From: DVHH Feedback [mailto:contact_request@dvhh.org] Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 2:32 PM To: dvhh.community@comcast.net Subject: Look up The following feedback was sent by Arpad Szabo (sja@iprimus.com.au) via the www.dvhh.org Contact page: Stader Look Up. Hi Jody. I have a relative that I have received information that he was born in Seitingen Germany cir 1675 and immigrated to Nemesnadudvar Hungary cir 1700. His surname was Melcher or Melicher. Requesting look up if possible. Thanks. Jim Szabo Sydney Australia DVHH-L Subscriber: Y IP Address: 166.64.1.2

See below, can anyone assist further? Linda, I invite you to subscribe to the DVHH mail list, see: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/HUN/DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES.htm l - Jody From: DVHH Feedback [mailto:contact_request@dvhh.org] Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 1:02 PM To: dvhh.community@comcast.net Subject: family roots The following feedback was sent by linda newman (lfnewman@hotmail.com) via the www.dvhh.org Contact page: I need help searching Torontal/Temeswar/Szakalhaza census/marriage/birth records for 1850-1900 for family members with surname <file:///\\\%22Heich\> "Heich" and am not sure how to go about it. Can you advise? DVHH-L Subscriber: N IP Address: 76.205.50.85

Gregory, I invite you to subscribe to the DVHH mail list, see: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/HUN/DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES.htm l See below, can anyone assist further? - Jody From: DVHH Feedback [mailto:contact_request@dvhh.org] Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 8:52 AM To: dvhh.community@comcast.net Subject: Death Records The following feedback was sent by Gregory Stringfield (gstringfield@cox.net) via the www.dvhh.org Contact page: Would you know how to find a death record in Banat? I\'m looking for Veronika Mueller living in Pantschowa (Pancevo) in 1921. Born in Marienfeld, Torontal, Hungary. She died between 1921 and 1925 in Pantschowa. Was married to Frank Mueller (both Catholics) who was born in Franzfeld in 1878. Veronika had a son Joseph who lived in Franzfeld up to 1921. Thanks. DVHH-L Subscriber: N IP Address: 70.18.154.252

To join the DVHH membership, see: http://www.dvhh.org/membership/ To subscribe to the DVHH mail list, see: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/HUN/DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES.htm l See below, can anyone assist further? - Jody From: DVHH Feedback [mailto:contact_request@dvhh.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 2:25 AM To: dvhh.community@comcast.net Subject: wan to register The following feedback was sent by maristella STIGLICH (maristella@optusnet.com.au) via the www.dvhh.org Contact page: I would like to registar So I can try and discover more about my grandfather going to New York from Fiume.Italy in or about 1910 maristella stiglich DVHH-L Subscriber: N IP Address: 122.111.255.97

See below, can anyone assist Gary Arnold? - Jody From: DVHH Feedback [mailto:contact_request@dvhh.org] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:06 PM To: dvhh.community@comcast.net Subject: Roth Family The following feedback was sent by Gary Arnold (garyparnold@yahoo.com) via the www.dvhh.org Contact page: Dear Jody, My immigrant ancestor was Martin Roth, the son of Josef and Franziska (Jager) Roth. Josef was the son of Kaspar Roth and Kathaerina Hasz. [Martin and his wife Katharina [Kirchner) Roth immigrated to the US in 1892. They settled near Richardton, North Dakota.] I have reason to believe that Josef or his father Kaspar were from the village of Bruckenau. I do not know where to go from here to confirm this or learn more. Any suggestions? Gary Arnold DVHH-L Subscriber: N IP Address: 72.250.139.243

I am going through overlooked 'older' DVHH Feedback emails and will be forwarding/posting them to the mail list - perhaps one of you can assist the researcher. Some of the writers are/were not subscribers to our list at the time they sent the message. I will copy the person in my posting to the list, therefore if you have a comment or information, you may click "reply to all" and check to see if the researcher is in the to line. And please remove this email address before you hit reply: dvhh.community@comcast.net Thank you, Jody

Hi Anne, Csátalja (Tschatali) is located in Bács-Kiskun county, 20 km from Baja in Hungary. http://primus.arts.u-szeged.hu/gema/zeitung/14/gesellschaft_unterschiede.htm There is an online Csátalja family book http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/AKdFF/csatalja.pdf Rose On 11 May 2014 19:36, Anne Dreer <dreera@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Hello All, > Does anyone know where Cstatalija is? I think it is in Croatia. > Anne > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Diane, I suggest you contact the Landsmannschaft der Donauschwaben in Haar, Germany. They have the Futok records, which unfortunately have not been published yet. They have helped me in my search for my Futok ancestors. Here is the link to the contact page: http://www.donauschwaben-bayern.de/index.php?option=com_contact&view=contact&id=1&Itemid=110 Good luck in your search, Rose On 11 May 2014 21:56, DVHH Webmaster <dvhh.community@comcast.net> wrote: > Can anyone assist? > > > > Diane-, I invite you to subscribe to the DVHH mail list, see: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/HUN/DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES.htm > l > > > > - Jody > > > > > > From: DVHH Feedback [mailto:contact_request@dvhh.org] > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 8:07 AM > To: dvhh.community@comcast.net > Subject: Ertl and Theil > > > > The following feedback was sent by Diane Ertl (diane_ertl@hotmail.com) via > the www.dvhh.org Contact page: > > Would you have information on the Ertl and Theil family arriving in the > village of Futok > > > > Thank you Diane > > DVHH-L Subscriber: N > > > IP Address: 184.151.61.86 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Anne Dreer made a wonderful response to this on May 7, 2014 under subject title, "German Speaking". And Tina Michel also gave a great response on May 7. I'm lucky my dad is still alive, he's 84 years old now. But he told me that my Shwowisch is a mixture of Shwabisch and German. All the Ivkovic men married a Schwabien woman, except for my dad's dad, my grandfather, Joseph Ivkovic born in 1900. He married my grandmother in Vienna. Her maiden name is Theresa Amon, and she was born in Burgschleinitz, Austria in 1894. The original Schwabish language I would not be able to understand. The dialect from village to village differed slightly, but they were all melting together. A lot of Turkish words and Serbian and Croatian words and Hungarian words were also mixed into the German Schwaben language. In fact, Goulash is not a German word, it is a Hungarian word. Daniela Ivkovic Showley -----Original Message----- From: Eve <evebrown@gmail.com> To: SusanM <soozn_6@yahoo.com> Cc: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, May 11, 2014 5:39 pm Subject: Re: [DVHH] Dialect This post ended up in my spam folder - wondering if anyone has an answer for this???? I'm interested too, although my guess is that the dialect came with them for the most part and then assimilated to whichever area and the current inhabitants - but that is a 100% guess! Eve On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 10:40 AM, SusanM <soozn_6@yahoo.com> wrote: > Is Shwovish German very different than low German? My mother said they > spoke low German, and I think it's the dialect most closely related to > English. Whatever that says. And so they spoke Shwovish, did that develop > in Eastern Europe, or did some people come there already speaking it? Now > that they have returned to Germany, are they speaking differently there > than the main population? > > Susan M > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gregory.... For records past 1895, you would need to contact the historical archives in Pancevo. If you cannot find contact info online, please respond again. Rira Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: DVHH Webmaster<mailto:dvhh.community@comcast.net> Sent: ‎5/‎11/‎2014 10:33 PM To: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-L<mailto:DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: gstringfield@cox.net<mailto:gstringfield@cox.net> Subject: [DVHH] FW: Death Records Pantschowa (Pancevo) Gregory, I invite you to subscribe to the DVHH mail list, see: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/HUN/DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES.htm l See below, can anyone assist further? - Jody From: DVHH Feedback [mailto:contact_request@dvhh.org] Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 8:52 AM To: dvhh.community@comcast.net Subject: Death Records The following feedback was sent by Gregory Stringfield (gstringfield@cox.net) via the www.dvhh.org Contact page: Would you know how to find a death record in Banat? I\'m looking for Veronika Mueller living in Pantschowa (Pancevo) in 1921. Born in Marienfeld, Torontal, Hungary. She died between 1921 and 1925 in Pantschowa. Was married to Frank Mueller (both Catholics) who was born in Franzfeld in 1878. Veronika had a son Joseph who lived in Franzfeld up to 1921. Thanks. DVHH-L Subscriber: N IP Address: 70.18.154.252 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello All, Does anyone know where Cstatalija is? I think it is in Croatia. Anne

Rose, Sometimes instead of deleting a message, I hit the "Junk" or "Spam" button and then until I look in those folders I don't realize those messages are being forwarded there by the computer. I just click on the message and then hit "not junk" or "not spam" ..... problem solved! Rhonda -----Original Message----- From: Rose Vetter Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 7:05 PM To: DVHH-L Subject: [DVHH] DVHH Mail Ending up in Spam Hi Eve and all, During the past two or three weeks I have also found DVHH list messages from certain persons in my Spam folder. As well, my messages are being selected as Spam in some other peoples folders. I don't know if this is a problem unique to Gmail users only, but it might be worthwhile for all of you to monitor your Spam folders--you may find quite a few DVHH mail there. Happy Mother's Day to all you moms out there! Rose ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rita, i,m new here, i agree what you have Written , the same happen to my Parent , we lived in Lager Haid Austria, in 1953 they appellate for German Citizenship the where refused my Father was in the German Army , they did not go to Germany , instate the came to the U S A, Illinois , of 1954 , they joint the Donau Schwaben Verrein and American Aid Society , it was there where the Word Schwowe, - Schaben or Donauschwaben was always spoken of. Therese On May 11, 2014, at 8:39 PM, Eve wrote: > Hi Rita, > > You know as I do too, that growing up with family with issues of anger and > long believed prejudices that as a child we can't begin to understand how > all these things came about. The thoughts of our ancestors and how they > lived their lives and depending on which side of the coin they fell, where > their own personal sympathies laid. I'm getting confused just writing this > and trying to stay politically correct. > > The thing is.....we as posters don't necessarily agree with or even > comprehend the how or why of any of it. I know there are many out here on > the list who have lived it first hand, I have the second hand variety - > seen the anger, frustration the loss - and not a clue as to why!!!! Until > I found out about the DS and their journey (long before anyone thought to > coin the name Donauschwaben) was I able to start to make sense of what was > to many considered a horrible childhood for me (and my parents escaped and > were not in one of Tito's camps). Yes, indeed it is a difficult thing to > explain, but a real treasure when you do catch someone's ear and are able > to discuss it with the passion that I see shared here on the list. > > Eve > > > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com>wrote: > >> Hi Eve, >> My Mother made a personal decision not to go to Germany after the war. >> She and my Oma lived in the Graz area in Austria after escaping in 1948 >> and worked on local farms. My Oma was approached by some agency that was >> helping the refugees find places to reestablish themselves. The options >> were Germany, USA, or Australia. Even though the majority of my family >> went to Germany, Mom refused. Said there was no way she was going there >> (Stubborness runs in my family... Dickschädl for those that know the >> lingo). She felt Germany was the cause of all of their hardships and >> heartaches... and that Germany's actions were responsible for the murder of >> her father.... her brother's death (at that time he was MIA).... and the >> loss of everything that she ever knew. She would have been about 24 years >> old at the time of that decision. My Oma finally gave in to her and they >> came to the USA. Oma would go to Germany every few years or so to visit >> with her brothers, sisters, and their families. Some came to visit us >> occasionally. Oma really missed her immediate family. All in all, Mom >> still feels that is was the right thing to do. This also makes me wonder >> what nationlity she really considered herself to be in 1944.... especially >> since she would not involve herself with the Kulturbund (German Cultural >> Club) that established itself in Jugoslavia after WWII and, some feel, >> responsible for promoting Hitler's philosophies. She says she is German or >> Austrian (depending on who she is talking to). But, only because she >> doesn't want to have to explain about herself and her background. She was >> and still is not ashamed. But, the lack of knowledge Americans have about >> Donauschwaben and the end of WWII, make it a difficult explanation. >> Rita From Colorado, Jabuka, and Bistritz >>> From: evebrown@gmail.com >>> Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 18:35:42 -0400 >>> To: danielashowley@aol.com >>> CC: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship >>> >>> Daniela, >>> >>> My mom & dad told the same story. Mom didn't feel wanted in Austria - or >>> like she belonged and were refused entrance into Germany in 1946 as it >> was >>> overcrowded and they already had some cousins that were admitted - early >> on >>> in 45. >>> >>> Eve >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Eileen, On our last German Holiday in 2012 my Wife and I used the Deutsche Bahn network on a Rail Europe, German Rail Pass. Valid for unlimited travel on 5 days in one month - midnight to midnight or 7pm to the following midnight for overnight services. The pass is also available for International European travel. I remember that there were also some "extras" - free or discounted river boat rides and bus passes - that we didn't use. We traveled 2nd Class on various trains (including ICE) from Frankfurt to Berlin, back to Mannheim, Heidelberg to Kaiserslautern, Kaiserslautern to Stuttgart via Mannheim and back to Frankfurt with minimal trouble at all apart from crowded carriages at peak times. I would second Rita's recommendation about luggage. We had 2 small/medium cases (packed to bursting point!) plus a backpack with the camera's and netbook, my Wife's large shoulder bag and a small cooler bag with water, sandwiches and fruit for the trip. It doesn't sound like a lot but when you need to keep track of everything, when you are looking for storage space in a crowded carriage and when you need to schleep it all quickly between platforms it can quickly become an issue. As Rita said the service is surprisingly punctual and even when they do have a problem they handle it superbly. Our ICE train from Kaiserslautern to Stuttgart originated in Paris and was a 1/2 hour late arriving. We had concerns that we would miss our connection in Mannheim to Stuttgart but the Conductor assured us trains would wait for connecting passengers. This was confirmed by a later announcement (in 3 languages) on the Train and a further detailed announcement as we were coming in to Mannheim informing us where our trains were and how to find them. Granted we sprinted for the next train but we really needn't have. In the end I think we were less than 15 minutes late in Stuttgart. On platforms that service ICE trains you will find a schematic of the train which indicates the number and type of carriages (Class 1, 2, Buffet, etc). This schematic will indicate where you should wait on the platform to board the correct carriage if you have a reserved seat. We found that the Schematics sometimes get turned around (for whatever reason!) and you are waiting at the wrong end of the train. Just something to note and beware of. In the end we didn't bother with booking seats. We invariably had trouble finding them and when we did someone would already be sitting in them. For all of that we would highly recommend the German Train Network. It was an adventure and an excellent way to see the country and meet the people. Wishing you a safe and happy trip. kind regards, Reinhold & Monique Schutz Geelong, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rita Schiwanowitsch" <schiwanore@msn.com> To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2014 12:21:03 AM Subject: Re: [DVHH] Getting around in Europe http://www.bahn.de/p/view/index.shtml I have found the train system to be well organized and very punctual. If it says the train leaves at 7:37.... it does. When you buy tickets, be aware they have 1st and 2nd class tickets and are very strict about what section you sit in. Just look for the number on the outside of the door and in the train cabs. You'll see either 1 or 2. Just pick a seat in that section.. Also, keep your luggage to a minimum, because you will have to schlepp it around. When you switch trains, you sometimes need to change platforms. The passageways between platforms can either be underground or overhead. Either way, it involves stairs. Also, the step from the platform (which are numbered or have letters assigned to them) to the train is not always on a level plane. Each city may have more than one train station. Look for the appropriate names... for example... Neustadt Hauptbahnhof or Neustadt-Freiburg Bahnhof. They will print out a detailed itinerary for you if you ask them. FYI.! .. platform 1A is different than platform 1B. I would travel like that again in a heartbeat. Enjoy the trip... Wish I was there! Rita > From: easimcox@gmail.com > Date: Sat, 10 May 2014 10:04:59 -0400 > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DVHH] Getting around in Europe > > Good Morning Everyone, > > I am going to Europe next month. This is only my second time there and the > first trip was on a cruise. The first leg of my trip will be flying to > Paris and taking a train to Strasbourg. I am meeting my daughter there and > going on to Bern, Salzburg, and Munich. > > If any of you are familiar with the train system and can give me advice on > which websites I need to look at and if I should prebook everything or not, > I would greatly appreciate your sending me a private email. Does anyone > know how easy/hard it is to find the train at the airport in Paris? > > I realize this is not necessarily a DVHH question, but if any group could > help me with navigating Europe, it would be this one :) > > Many Thanks, > Eileen > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Amen to that! Eve On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com>wrote: > Hi Eve, > Yes it is difficult to be politically correct. There is always someone > that you may offend. But, even with this in mind, I think it is important > for us to discuss these matters... For the first hand survivors to find a > place to do this comfortably... For the next generations to understand > their heritage and what what their families went through. This story > should definitely not be swept under the carpet. It needs to be discussed > and take it's rightful place in the history books. So we can freely > embrace our wonderful culture as we live our lives in our new countries. > Rita > > From: evebrown@gmail.com > Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 21:39:43 -0400 > Subject: DS descendants - going forward! > To: schiwanore@msn.com > CC: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > Hi Rita, > > You know as I do too, that growing up with family with issues of anger and > long believed prejudices that as a child we can't begin to understand how > all these things came about. The thoughts of our ancestors and how they > lived their lives and depending on which side of the coin they fell, where > their own personal sympathies laid. I'm getting confused just writing this > and trying to stay politically correct. > > > > The thing is.....we as posters don't necessarily agree with or even > comprehend the how or why of any of it. I know there are many out here on > the list who have lived it first hand, I have the second hand variety - > seen the anger, frustration the loss - and not a clue as to why!!!! Until > I found out about the DS and their journey (long before anyone thought to > coin the name Donauschwaben) was I able to start to make sense of what was > to many considered a horrible childhood for me (and my parents escaped and > were not in one of Tito's camps). Yes, indeed it is a difficult thing to > explain, but a real treasure when you do catch someone's ear and are able > to discuss it with the passion that I see shared here on the list. > > > > Eve > > > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com> > wrote: > > > Hi Eve, > > My Mother made a personal decision not to go to Germany after the war. > She and my Oma lived in the Graz area in Austria after escaping in 1948 > and worked on local farms. My Oma was approached by some agency that was > helping the refugees find places to reestablish themselves. The options > were Germany, USA, or Australia. Even though the majority of my family > went to Germany, Mom refused. Said there was no way she was going there > (Stubborness runs in my family... Dickschädl for those that know the > lingo). She felt Germany was the cause of all of their hardships and > heartaches... and that Germany's actions were responsible for the murder of > her father.... her brother's death (at that time he was MIA).... and the > loss of everything that she ever knew. She would have been about 24 years > old at the time of that decision. My Oma finally gave in to her and they > came to the USA. Oma would go to Germany every few years or so to visit > with her brothers, sisters, and their families. Some came to visit us > occasionally. Oma really missed her immediate family. All in all, Mom > still feels that is was the right thing to do. This also makes me wonder > what nationlity she really considered herself to be in 1944.... especially > since she would not involve herself with the Kulturbund (German Cultural > Club) that established itself in Jugoslavia after WWII and, some feel, > responsible for promoting Hitler's philosophies. She says she is German or > Austrian (depending on who she is talking to). But, only because she > doesn't want to have to explain about herself and her background. She was > and still is not ashamed. But, the lack of knowledge Americans have about > Donauschwaben and the end of WWII, make it a difficult explanation. > > > > Rita From Colorado, Jabuka, and Bistritz > > > From: evebrown@gmail.com > > > Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 18:35:42 -0400 > > > To: danielashowley@aol.com > > > CC: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship > > > > > > Daniela, > > > > > > My mom & dad told the same story. Mom didn't feel wanted in Austria - or > > > like she belonged and were refused entrance into Germany in 1946 as it > was > > > overcrowded and they already had some cousins that were admitted - early > on > > > in 45. > > > > > > Eve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

Hi Rita, You know as I do too, that growing up with family with issues of anger and long believed prejudices that as a child we can't begin to understand how all these things came about. The thoughts of our ancestors and how they lived their lives and depending on which side of the coin they fell, where their own personal sympathies laid. I'm getting confused just writing this and trying to stay politically correct. The thing is.....we as posters don't necessarily agree with or even comprehend the how or why of any of it. I know there are many out here on the list who have lived it first hand, I have the second hand variety - seen the anger, frustration the loss - and not a clue as to why!!!! Until I found out about the DS and their journey (long before anyone thought to coin the name Donauschwaben) was I able to start to make sense of what was to many considered a horrible childhood for me (and my parents escaped and were not in one of Tito's camps). Yes, indeed it is a difficult thing to explain, but a real treasure when you do catch someone's ear and are able to discuss it with the passion that I see shared here on the list. Eve On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com>wrote: > Hi Eve, > My Mother made a personal decision not to go to Germany after the war. > She and my Oma lived in the Graz area in Austria after escaping in 1948 > and worked on local farms. My Oma was approached by some agency that was > helping the refugees find places to reestablish themselves. The options > were Germany, USA, or Australia. Even though the majority of my family > went to Germany, Mom refused. Said there was no way she was going there > (Stubborness runs in my family... Dickschädl for those that know the > lingo). She felt Germany was the cause of all of their hardships and > heartaches... and that Germany's actions were responsible for the murder of > her father.... her brother's death (at that time he was MIA).... and the > loss of everything that she ever knew. She would have been about 24 years > old at the time of that decision. My Oma finally gave in to her and they > came to the USA. Oma would go to Germany every few years or so to visit > with her brothers, sisters, and their families. Some came to visit us > occasionally. Oma really missed her immediate family. All in all, Mom > still feels that is was the right thing to do. This also makes me wonder > what nationlity she really considered herself to be in 1944.... especially > since she would not involve herself with the Kulturbund (German Cultural > Club) that established itself in Jugoslavia after WWII and, some feel, > responsible for promoting Hitler's philosophies. She says she is German or > Austrian (depending on who she is talking to). But, only because she > doesn't want to have to explain about herself and her background. She was > and still is not ashamed. But, the lack of knowledge Americans have about > Donauschwaben and the end of WWII, make it a difficult explanation. > Rita From Colorado, Jabuka, and Bistritz > > From: evebrown@gmail.com > > Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 18:35:42 -0400 > > To: danielashowley@aol.com > > CC: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship > > > > Daniela, > > > > My mom & dad told the same story. Mom didn't feel wanted in Austria - or > > like she belonged and were refused entrance into Germany in 1946 as it > was > > overcrowded and they already had some cousins that were admitted - early > on > > in 45. > > > > Eve > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia