While looking up an obituary for a non-Banater relative of mine, my attention was drawn to an adjacent column by the word Temesvar. Recognizing that as being from the Banat I found that it was in one of two articles about Prince/King-to-be Peter Kara-Georgovitch of Serbia ('Servia' in the articles.) If anyone is interested in seeing the articles, I can forward a copy of the news page, in tif format. Just let me know where to send it. The articles appeared in the June 13, 1903 edition of The Kentucky Post. Stewart G

Gary, the family book for Bruckenau was finished these days and is available here: Manfred Loris Telefonnumber in Germany: 0911/678155 or e-Mail Adresse: [1]mcloris@web.de See also: http://www.bruckenau.de/dorf.html Regards Anni Gesendet: Montag, 12. Mai 2014 um 06:28 Uhr Von: "DVHH Webmaster" <dvhh.community@comcast.net> An: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-L <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: garyparnold@yahoo.com Betreff: [DVHH] FW: Roth Family See below, can anyone assist Gary Arnold? - Jody From: DVHH Feedback [mailto:contact_request@dvhh.org] Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 4:06 PM To: dvhh.community@comcast.net Subject: Roth Family The following feedback was sent by Gary Arnold (garyparnold@yahoo.com) via the [2]www.dvhh.org Contact page: Dear Jody, My immigrant ancestor was Martin Roth, the son of Josef and Franziska (Jager) Roth. Josef was the son of Kaspar Roth and Kathaerina Hasz. [Martin and his wife Katharina [Kirchner) Roth immigrated to the US in 1892. They settled near Richardton, North Dakota.] I have reason to believe that Josef or his father Kaspar were from the village of Bruckenau. I do not know where to go from here to confirm this or learn more. Any suggestions? Gary Arnold DVHH-L Subscriber: N IP Address: 72.250.139.243 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:mcloris@web.de 2. http://www.dvhh.org/

This was a tipo of course there are 9 pages with Heich families not Reich Anni Gesendet: Montag, 12. Mai 2014 um 22:40 Uhr Von: Annamaria.Lorenz@gmx.de An: lfnewman@hotmail.com, DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-L@rootsweb.com Betreff: Re: [DVHH] family roots Temeswar / Szakalhaza Linda, there is a family book of Szakelhaza= Sackelhausen with about 9 pages with Reich family. Can you give more details for what you are looking for? Regards Anni Gesendet: Montag, 12. Mai 2014 um 06:36 Uhr Von: "DVHH Webmaster" <dvhh.community@comcast.net> An: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-L <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: lfnewman@hotmail.com Betreff: [DVHH] family roots Temeswar / Szakalhaza See below, can anyone assist further? Linda, I invite you to subscribe to the DVHH mail list, see: [1][1]http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/HUN/DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAG ES. htm l - Jody From: DVHH Feedback [mailto:contact_request@dvhh.org] Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 1:02 PM To: dvhh.community@comcast.net Subject: family roots The following feedback was sent by linda newman (lfnewman@hotmail.com) via the [2][2]www.dvhh.org Contact page: I need help searching Torontal/Temeswar/Szakalhaza census/marriage/birth records for 1850-1900 for family members with surname <file:///\\\%22Heich\> "Heich" and am not sure how to go about it. Can you advise? DVHH-L Subscriber: N IP Address: 76.205.50.85 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. [3]http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/HUN/DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES. htm 2. [4]http://www.dvhh.org/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/HUN/DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES 2. http://www.dvhh.org/ 3. http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/HUN/DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES.htm 4. http://www.dvhh.org/

Linda, there is a family book of Szakelhaza= Sackelhausen with about 9 pages with Reich family. Can you give more details for what you are looking for? Regards Anni Gesendet: Montag, 12. Mai 2014 um 06:36 Uhr Von: "DVHH Webmaster" <dvhh.community@comcast.net> An: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-L <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: lfnewman@hotmail.com Betreff: [DVHH] family roots Temeswar / Szakalhaza See below, can anyone assist further? Linda, I invite you to subscribe to the DVHH mail list, see: [1]http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/HUN/DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES. htm l - Jody From: DVHH Feedback [mailto:contact_request@dvhh.org] Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 1:02 PM To: dvhh.community@comcast.net Subject: family roots The following feedback was sent by linda newman (lfnewman@hotmail.com) via the [2]www.dvhh.org Contact page: I need help searching Torontal/Temeswar/Szakalhaza census/marriage/birth records for 1850-1900 for family members with surname <file:///\\\%22Heich\> "Heich" and am not sure how to go about it. Can you advise? DVHH-L Subscriber: N IP Address: 76.205.50.85 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/HUN/DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES.htm 2. http://www.dvhh.org/

Therese and Lotte, I am sending this post through the list just to let others who may be interested in the book. It is called: D.P. Siedlung 121 Haid 1941 bis 1961 Historisch-biographische Foptodokumentation by Maria Weiss I will send some attachments to you privately. Eve On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 8:16 PM, therese schmidt <trherschas@yahoo.com>wrote: > Hello Lotte, > i remember some of those Names , Rudolf Geringer , > and Kaip, did they had some Position in Haid ? that was so long ago , > i try to Remember, that time i was a Child, but old enough to work > beim Bauer, about 2 miles from Haid. my 2 Sister,s went to School > in Haid, think i remember Lehrer Leisch. i remember when you walk > toward Traun there was a Texas - Bude > where some went for a Glass Wein , there was a Dance Hal where i > sometimes went. > then there was the Metzker Repa . besite Repa was a little Store > ,corner - Store i forgot the name , latter there was a big Store the > Konsum > Therese > > On May 12, 2014, at 6:09 PM, Lotte Devlin wrote: > > wow Eve and Therese, > > Most of my relatives that were in lager Haid remained in Haid and Traun. > Their family name was Geringer, and all originally came from Weisskirchen > in the Banat. My mother was a Geringer who married my father, Michael > Leisch (from Mastort). He started the camp school in Haid and brought a > number of his teacher friends there to teach in the camp. > > Here are some of the names of my relatives that still live in Haid/Traun: > > Rudolf Geringer > Peter Kaip > Norbert Kaip > Lothar Friedrich > > They are all related to the Geringer family in one way or the other. > > Eve, where can I get the Lager Haid book? You said you got it from one of > your relatives in Traun? > > Lotte > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eve <evebrown@gmail.com> > To: therese schmidt <trherschas@yahoo.com> > Cc: donauschwaben-villages <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 5:09 pm > Subject: Re: [DVHH] DS descendants - going forward! > > My mother and sister went in 95 and said about the same thing. My uncle > Jakob lived in Traun and his daughter still does. Some family went to > Wels. My father used to work in Linz - rode his bike there from Haid. > > Have you seen the Book from the camp that was made? The cover I have is > green, my cousins from Traun sent it to me. Lots of pictures. > > Eve > > > On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 3:04 PM, therese schmidt <trherschas@yahoo.com>wrote: > > > Hello Eve, > > we came to Lager- Haid 1950, from lower Austria by Wien . > > we landet in Linz in a camp by Family members , from there to Lager > > Haid , > > 1954 to the U S A. sorry to say , i can not recall any of those > > names , > > when ever i went to Germany, with my Husband , we went to Austria > > and Lager Haid , some Family members still live there , the all got > > there own House > > some in Traun and around , Lager Haid has change a loot, there > > is only one > > Baracke left ,maybe to remember what it used to look like , when > > some of our People > > lived there , there are Condos, Stores .Restaurant Motels, > > even the church is build new .5 years ago i was there, it brings > > happy, > > und sad memories , > > Therese . > > > > On May 12, 2014, at 7:37 AM, Eve wrote: > > > > Hello Therese, > > > > My parents too were at Haid Lager, but left in 51. Still at the camp were > > family members and friends, names of Siller, Dautermann, Sklena. Do any > > ring a bell? > > > > Eve > > > > > > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 11:11 PM, therese schmidt <trherschas@yahoo.com>wrote: > > > >> Hi Rita, > >> i,m new here, i agree what you have Written , > >> the same happen to my Parent , we lived in > >> Lager Haid Austria, in 1953 they appellate for German Citizenship > >> the where refused > >> my Father was in the German Army , they did not go to Germany , > >> instate the came to the U S A, Illinois , of 1954 , > >> they joint the Donau Schwaben Verrein and American Aid Society , > >> it was there where the Word Schwowe, - Schaben or Donauschwaben > >> was always spoken of. > >> Therese > >> > >> On May 11, 2014, at 8:39 PM, Eve wrote: > >> > >> > Hi Rita, > >> > > >> > You know as I do too, that growing up with family with issues of anger > >> and > >> > long believed prejudices that as a child we can't begin to understand > >> how > >> > all these things came about. The thoughts of our ancestors and how they > >> > lived their lives and depending on which side of the coin they fell, > >> where > >> > their own personal sympathies laid. I'm getting confused just writing > >> this > >> > and trying to stay politically correct. > >> > > >> > The thing is.....we as posters don't necessarily agree with or even > >> > comprehend the how or why of any of it. I know there are many out here > >> on > >> > the list who have lived it first hand, I have the second hand variety - > >> > seen the anger, frustration the loss - and not a clue as to why!!!! > >> Until > >> > I found out about the DS and their journey (long before anyone thought > >> to > >> > coin the name Donauschwaben) was I able to start to make sense of what > >> was > >> > to many considered a horrible childhood for me (and my parents escaped > >> and > >> > were not in one of Tito's camps). Yes, indeed it is a difficult thing > >> to > >> > explain, but a real treasure when you do catch someone's ear and are > >> able > >> > to discuss it with the passion that I see shared here on the list. > >> > > >> > Eve > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Rita Schiwanowitsch < > >> schiwanore@msn.com>wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hi Eve, > >> >> My Mother made a personal decision not to go to Germany after the war. > >> >> She and my Oma lived in the Graz area in Austria after escaping in 1948 > >> >> and worked on local farms. My Oma was approached by some agency that > >> was > >> >> helping the refugees find places to reestablish themselves. The > >> options > >> >> were Germany, USA, or Australia. Even though the majority of my family > >> >> went to Germany, Mom refused. Said there was no way she was going > >> there > >> >> (Stubborness runs in my family... Dickschädl for those that know the > >> >> lingo). She felt Germany was the cause of all of their hardships and > >> >> heartaches... and that Germany's actions were responsible for the > >> murder of > >> >> her father.... her brother's death (at that time he was MIA).... and > >> the > >> >> loss of everything that she ever knew. She would have been about 24 > >> years > >> >> old at the time of that decision. My Oma finally gave in to her and > >> they > >> >> came to the USA. Oma would go to Germany every few years or so to > >> visit > >> >> with her brothers, sisters, and their families. Some came to visit us > >> >> occasionally. Oma really missed her immediate family. All in all, Mom > >> >> still feels that is was the right thing to do. This also makes me > >> wonder > >> >> what nationlity she really considered herself to be in 1944.... > >> especially > >> >> since she would not involve herself with the Kulturbund (German > >> Cultural > >> >> Club) that established itself in Jugoslavia after WWII and, some feel, > >> >> responsible for promoting Hitler's philosophies. She says she is > >> German or > >> >> Austrian (depending on who she is talking to). But, only because she > >> >> doesn't want to have to explain about herself and her background. She > >> was > >> >> and still is not ashamed. But, the lack of knowledge Americans have > >> about > >> >> Donauschwaben and the end of WWII, make it a difficult explanation. > >> >> Rita From Colorado, Jabuka, and Bistritz > >> >>> From: evebrown@gmail.com > >> >>> Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 18:35:42 -0400 > >> >>> To: danielashowley@aol.com > >> >>> CC: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > >> >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship > >> >>> > >> >>> Daniela, > >> >>> > >> >>> My mom & dad told the same story. Mom didn't feel wanted in Austria > >> - or > >> >>> like she belonged and were refused entrance into Germany in 1946 as it > >> >> was > >> >>> overcrowded and they already had some cousins that were admitted - > >> early > >> >> on > >> >>> in 45. > >> >>> > >> >>> Eve > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------- > >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> 'unsubscribe' > >> >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > >> > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > > > > > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinatorhttp://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

Hello Robert, you can travel to the Timisoara-Josefstadt church office, there you will find the records or you can ask in the Bishops archive in Timisoara - I think you can order your family records there for a little fee (you will find the adress online if not ask me again) or otherwise you can wait till the familybook of Josefstadt will be finished, it is in process but I do not know how much time this will need and how much it will cost . Regards Anni Gesendet: Montag, 12. Mai 2014 um 07:00 Uhr Von: "DVHH Webmaster" <dvhh.community@comcast.net> An: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-L <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-L@rootsweb.com> Betreff: [DVHH] FW: Mathias Bappert Can anyone assist? Robert, I invite you to subscribe to the DVHH mail list, see: [1]http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/HUN/DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES. htm l - Jody From: DVHH Feedback [mailto:contact_request@dvhh.org] Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 9:20 PM To: dvhh.community@comcast.net Subject: Mathias Bappert The following feedback was sent by Robert Pappert robertpappert@zirkel.us via the [2]www.dvhh.org Contact page: my great grandfather was married in josefstadt on 23.02.1909 to anna maria teisler how can i find his records? DVHH-L Subscriber: Y IP Address: 199.117.220.96 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/HUN/DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES.htm 2. http://www.dvhh.org/

Thanks Terry for this information. It appears she had a first husband Johann Ankner. Not sure whether they married in Hatzfeld. Is there a Johann Ankner connected to either Katharine Weber? Robert -----Original Message----- From: Terry Schira Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 7:47 PM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] Katharina Weber b. abt 1864 Hatzfeld Hi Robert I found only 2 Katharina's born around that time: 13114 Weber, Franz b. abt. 1840 m. Grosz, Katharina b. abt. 1841 1) Katharina b. 08.10.1862 Hf 594 13119 Weber, Katharina (parents -13075 - Franz Weber & Viktoria Dietrich) b. 07.02.1842 Hf 1) Katharina b. 16.09.1863 Hf 508 let me know if you want the parents details of the 2nd Weber. Terry Schira > Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 16:12:45 -0400 > From: "Robert Evensen" <revensen@comcast.net> > Subject: [DVHH] Katharina Weber - Hatzfeld 1864 > To: "DVHH Mail List" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.net> > Message-ID: <C8E748E1EE5C481C932643DA8B95FD94@robertHP> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I am looking for information on Katharina Weber born around 1864 in > Hatzfeld. Parents unknown. She married twice to Johann Kindl and Johann > Schulz, both from Gro? Komlosch. > > Thanks, > > Robert Evensen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Robert I found only 2 Katharina's born around that time: 13114 Weber, Franz b. abt. 1840 m. Grosz, Katharina b. abt. 1841 1) Katharina b. 08.10.1862 Hf 594 13119 Weber, Katharina (parents -13075 - Franz Weber & Viktoria Dietrich) b. 07.02.1842 Hf 1) Katharina b. 16.09.1863 Hf 508 let me know if you want the parents details of the 2nd Weber. Terry Schira > Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 16:12:45 -0400 > From: "Robert Evensen" <revensen@comcast.net> > Subject: [DVHH] Katharina Weber - Hatzfeld 1864 > To: "DVHH Mail List" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.net> > Message-ID: <C8E748E1EE5C481C932643DA8B95FD94@robertHP> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I am looking for information on Katharina Weber born around 1864 in Hatzfeld. Parents unknown. She married twice to Johann Kindl and Johann Schulz, both from Gro? Komlosch. > > Thanks, > > Robert Evensen

Hello Lotte, i remember some of those Names , Rudolf Geringer , and Kaip, did they had some Position in Haid ? that was so long ago , i try to Remember, that time i was a Child, but old enough to work beim Bauer, about 2 miles from Haid. my 2 Sister,s went to School in Haid, think i remember Lehrer Leisch. i remember when you walk toward Traun there was a Texas - Bude where some went for a Glass Wein , there was a Dance Hal where i sometimes went. then there was the Metzker Repa . besite Repa was a little Store ,corner - Store i forgot the name , latter there was a big Store the Konsum Therese On May 12, 2014, at 6:09 PM, Lotte Devlin wrote: > wow Eve and Therese, > > Most of my relatives that were in lager Haid remained in Haid and Traun. Their family name was Geringer, and all originally came from Weisskirchen in the Banat. My mother was a Geringer who married my father, Michael Leisch (from Mastort). He started the camp school in Haid and brought a number of his teacher friends there to teach in the camp. > > Here are some of the names of my relatives that still live in Haid/Traun: > > Rudolf Geringer > Peter Kaip > Norbert Kaip > Lothar Friedrich > > They are all related to the Geringer family in one way or the other. > > Eve, where can I get the Lager Haid book? You said you got it from one of your relatives in Traun? > > Lotte > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eve <evebrown@gmail.com> > To: therese schmidt <trherschas@yahoo.com> > Cc: donauschwaben-villages <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 5:09 pm > Subject: Re: [DVHH] DS descendants - going forward! > > My mother and sister went in 95 and said about the same thing. My uncle > Jakob lived in Traun and his daughter still does. Some family went to > Wels. My father used to work in Linz - rode his bike there from Haid. > > Have you seen the Book from the camp that was made? The cover I have is > green, my cousins from Traun sent it to me. Lots of pictures. > > Eve > > > On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 3:04 PM, therese schmidt <trherschas@yahoo.com>wrote: > > > Hello Eve, > > we came to Lager- Haid 1950, from lower Austria by Wien . > > we landet in Linz in a camp by Family members , from there to Lager > > Haid , > > 1954 to the U S A. sorry to say , i can not recall any of those > > names , > > when ever i went to Germany, with my Husband , we went to Austria > > and Lager Haid , some Family members still live there , the all got > > there own House > > some in Traun and around , Lager Haid has change a loot, there > > is only one > > Baracke left ,maybe to remember what it used to look like , when > > some of our People > > lived there , there are Condos, Stores .Restaurant Motels, > > even the church is build new .5 years ago i was there, it brings > > happy, > > und sad memories , > > Therese . > > > > On May 12, 2014, at 7:37 AM, Eve wrote: > > > > Hello Therese, > > > > My parents too were at Haid Lager, but left in 51. Still at the camp were > > family members and friends, names of Siller, Dautermann, Sklena. Do any > > ring a bell? > > > > Eve > > > > > > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 11:11 PM, therese schmidt <trherschas@yahoo.com>wrote: > > > >> Hi Rita, > >> i,m new here, i agree what you have Written , > >> the same happen to my Parent , we lived in > >> Lager Haid Austria, in 1953 they appellate for German Citizenship > >> the where refused > >> my Father was in the German Army , they did not go to Germany , > >> instate the came to the U S A, Illinois , of 1954 , > >> they joint the Donau Schwaben Verrein and American Aid Society , > >> it was there where the Word Schwowe, - Schaben or Donauschwaben > >> was always spoken of. > >> Therese > >> > >> On May 11, 2014, at 8:39 PM, Eve wrote: > >> > >> > Hi Rita, > >> > > >> > You know as I do too, that growing up with family with issues of anger > >> and > >> > long believed prejudices that as a child we can't begin to understand > >> how > >> > all these things came about. The thoughts of our ancestors and how they > >> > lived their lives and depending on which side of the coin they fell, > >> where > >> > their own personal sympathies laid. I'm getting confused just writing > >> this > >> > and trying to stay politically correct. > >> > > >> > The thing is.....we as posters don't necessarily agree with or even > >> > comprehend the how or why of any of it. I know there are many out here > >> on > >> > the list who have lived it first hand, I have the second hand variety - > >> > seen the anger, frustration the loss - and not a clue as to why!!!! > >> Until > >> > I found out about the DS and their journey (long before anyone thought > >> to > >> > coin the name Donauschwaben) was I able to start to make sense of what > >> was > >> > to many considered a horrible childhood for me (and my parents escaped > >> and > >> > were not in one of Tito's camps). Yes, indeed it is a difficult thing > >> to > >> > explain, but a real treasure when you do catch someone's ear and are > >> able > >> > to discuss it with the passion that I see shared here on the list. > >> > > >> > Eve > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Rita Schiwanowitsch < > >> schiwanore@msn.com>wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hi Eve, > >> >> My Mother made a personal decision not to go to Germany after the war. > >> >> She and my Oma lived in the Graz area in Austria after escaping in 1948 > >> >> and worked on local farms. My Oma was approached by some agency that > >> was > >> >> helping the refugees find places to reestablish themselves. The > >> options > >> >> were Germany, USA, or Australia. Even though the majority of my family > >> >> went to Germany, Mom refused. Said there was no way she was going > >> there > >> >> (Stubborness runs in my family... Dickschädl for those that know the > >> >> lingo). She felt Germany was the cause of all of their hardships and > >> >> heartaches... and that Germany's actions were responsible for the > >> murder of > >> >> her father.... her brother's death (at that time he was MIA).... and > >> the > >> >> loss of everything that she ever knew. She would have been about 24 > >> years > >> >> old at the time of that decision. My Oma finally gave in to her and > >> they > >> >> came to the USA. Oma would go to Germany every few years or so to > >> visit > >> >> with her brothers, sisters, and their families. Some came to visit us > >> >> occasionally. Oma really missed her immediate family. All in all, Mom > >> >> still feels that is was the right thing to do. This also makes me > >> wonder > >> >> what nationlity she really considered herself to be in 1944.... > >> especially > >> >> since she would not involve herself with the Kulturbund (German > >> Cultural > >> >> Club) that established itself in Jugoslavia after WWII and, some feel, > >> >> responsible for promoting Hitler's philosophies. She says she is > >> German or > >> >> Austrian (depending on who she is talking to). But, only because she > >> >> doesn't want to have to explain about herself and her background. She > >> was > >> >> and still is not ashamed. But, the lack of knowledge Americans have > >> about > >> >> Donauschwaben and the end of WWII, make it a difficult explanation. > >> >> Rita From Colorado, Jabuka, and Bistritz > >> >>> From: evebrown@gmail.com > >> >>> Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 18:35:42 -0400 > >> >>> To: danielashowley@aol.com > >> >>> CC: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > >> >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship > >> >>> > >> >>> Daniela, > >> >>> > >> >>> My mom & dad told the same story. Mom didn't feel wanted in Austria > >> - or > >> >>> like she belonged and were refused entrance into Germany in 1946 as it > >> >> was > >> >>> overcrowded and they already had some cousins that were admitted - > >> early > >> >> on > >> >>> in 45. > >> >>> > >> >>> Eve > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------- > >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> 'unsubscribe' > >> >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > >> > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > > > > > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message

wow Eve and Therese, Most of my relatives that were in lager Haid remained in Haid and Traun. Their family name was Geringer, and all originally came from Weisskirchen in the Banat. My mother was a Geringer who married my father, Michael Leisch (from Mastort). He started the camp school in Haid and brought a number of his teacher friends there to teach in the camp. Here are some of the names of my relatives that still live in Haid/Traun: Rudolf Geringer Peter Kaip Norbert Kaip Lothar Friedrich They are all related to the Geringer family in one way or the other. Eve, where can I get the Lager Haid book? You said you got it from one of your relatives in Traun? Lotte -----Original Message----- From: Eve <evebrown@gmail.com> To: therese schmidt <trherschas@yahoo.com> Cc: donauschwaben-villages <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, May 12, 2014 5:09 pm Subject: Re: [DVHH] DS descendants - going forward! My mother and sister went in 95 and said about the same thing. My uncle Jakob lived in Traun and his daughter still does. Some family went to Wels. My father used to work in Linz - rode his bike there from Haid. Have you seen the Book from the camp that was made? The cover I have is green, my cousins from Traun sent it to me. Lots of pictures. Eve On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 3:04 PM, therese schmidt <trherschas@yahoo.com>wrote: > Hello Eve, > we came to Lager- Haid 1950, from lower Austria by Wien . > we landet in Linz in a camp by Family members , from there to Lager > Haid , > 1954 to the U S A. sorry to say , i can not recall any of those > names , > when ever i went to Germany, with my Husband , we went to Austria > and Lager Haid , some Family members still live there , the all got > there own House > some in Traun and around , Lager Haid has change a loot, there > is only one > Baracke left ,maybe to remember what it used to look like , when > some of our People > lived there , there are Condos, Stores .Restaurant Motels, > even the church is build new .5 years ago i was there, it brings > happy, > und sad memories , > Therese . > > On May 12, 2014, at 7:37 AM, Eve wrote: > > Hello Therese, > > My parents too were at Haid Lager, but left in 51. Still at the camp were > family members and friends, names of Siller, Dautermann, Sklena. Do any > ring a bell? > > Eve > > > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 11:11 PM, therese schmidt <trherschas@yahoo.com>wrote: > >> Hi Rita, >> i,m new here, i agree what you have Written , >> the same happen to my Parent , we lived in >> Lager Haid Austria, in 1953 they appellate for German Citizenship >> the where refused >> my Father was in the German Army , they did not go to Germany , >> instate the came to the U S A, Illinois , of 1954 , >> they joint the Donau Schwaben Verrein and American Aid Society , >> it was there where the Word Schwowe, - Schaben or Donauschwaben >> was always spoken of. >> Therese >> >> On May 11, 2014, at 8:39 PM, Eve wrote: >> >> > Hi Rita, >> > >> > You know as I do too, that growing up with family with issues of anger >> and >> > long believed prejudices that as a child we can't begin to understand >> how >> > all these things came about. The thoughts of our ancestors and how they >> > lived their lives and depending on which side of the coin they fell, >> where >> > their own personal sympathies laid. I'm getting confused just writing >> this >> > and trying to stay politically correct. >> > >> > The thing is.....we as posters don't necessarily agree with or even >> > comprehend the how or why of any of it. I know there are many out here >> on >> > the list who have lived it first hand, I have the second hand variety - >> > seen the anger, frustration the loss - and not a clue as to why!!!! >> Until >> > I found out about the DS and their journey (long before anyone thought >> to >> > coin the name Donauschwaben) was I able to start to make sense of what >> was >> > to many considered a horrible childhood for me (and my parents escaped >> and >> > were not in one of Tito's camps). Yes, indeed it is a difficult thing >> to >> > explain, but a real treasure when you do catch someone's ear and are >> able >> > to discuss it with the passion that I see shared here on the list. >> > >> > Eve >> > >> > >> > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Rita Schiwanowitsch < >> schiwanore@msn.com>wrote: >> > >> >> Hi Eve, >> >> My Mother made a personal decision not to go to Germany after the war. >> >> She and my Oma lived in the Graz area in Austria after escaping in 1948 >> >> and worked on local farms. My Oma was approached by some agency that >> was >> >> helping the refugees find places to reestablish themselves. The >> options >> >> were Germany, USA, or Australia. Even though the majority of my family >> >> went to Germany, Mom refused. Said there was no way she was going >> there >> >> (Stubborness runs in my family... Dickschädl for those that know the >> >> lingo). She felt Germany was the cause of all of their hardships and >> >> heartaches... and that Germany's actions were responsible for the >> murder of >> >> her father.... her brother's death (at that time he was MIA).... and >> the >> >> loss of everything that she ever knew. She would have been about 24 >> years >> >> old at the time of that decision. My Oma finally gave in to her and >> they >> >> came to the USA. Oma would go to Germany every few years or so to >> visit >> >> with her brothers, sisters, and their families. Some came to visit us >> >> occasionally. Oma really missed her immediate family. All in all, Mom >> >> still feels that is was the right thing to do. This also makes me >> wonder >> >> what nationlity she really considered herself to be in 1944.... >> especially >> >> since she would not involve herself with the Kulturbund (German >> Cultural >> >> Club) that established itself in Jugoslavia after WWII and, some feel, >> >> responsible for promoting Hitler's philosophies. She says she is >> German or >> >> Austrian (depending on who she is talking to). But, only because she >> >> doesn't want to have to explain about herself and her background. She >> was >> >> and still is not ashamed. But, the lack of knowledge Americans have >> about >> >> Donauschwaben and the end of WWII, make it a difficult explanation. >> >> Rita From Colorado, Jabuka, and Bistritz >> >>> From: evebrown@gmail.com >> >>> Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 18:35:42 -0400 >> >>> To: danielashowley@aol.com >> >>> CC: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship >> >>> >> >>> Daniela, >> >>> >> >>> My mom & dad told the same story. Mom didn't feel wanted in Austria >> - or >> >>> like she belonged and were refused entrance into Germany in 1946 as it >> >> was >> >>> overcrowded and they already had some cousins that were admitted - >> early >> >> on >> >>> in 45. >> >>> >> >>> Eve >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' >> >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Syrmia Regional Coordinator >> > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You need to understand the history. The Donauschwaben lived in the Banat for 150 years. When they left they were German residents of Austria-Hungary. After World War I, Hungary was separated from Austria. The Germans in Hungary gradually lost their identity as Germans, although many still felt German. They no longer had a homeland protecting them. Then Hitler took control. In general the Donauschwaben were against Hitler, but the Hungarians were now in control of the Banat. The German Banaters became like second class citizens. They had no homeland. Tito took their homes away from them and put them in concentration camps. Then after World war II our allies ignorantly decided that every nationality should return to its original homeland and they changed around the boundaries. Part of Germany became Poland. So germans were forced to leave these areas so that Poles could move there. They created monstrous chaos! I could not understand my parents' reactions until I went back to the history! And I am still learning. Fran Matkovich Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App -----Original Message----- From: Eve To: Daniela Cc: donauschwaben-villages Sent: May 11, 2014 at 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [DVHH] German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship Daniela, My mom & dad told the same story. Mom didn't feel wanted in Austria - or like she belonged and were refused entrance into Germany in 1946 as it was overcrowded and they already had some cousins that were admitted - early on in 45. Eve On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Daniela <danielashowley@aol.com> wrote: >> Germany, after the 2nd world war, I am talking now West Germany not East > Germany. West Germany was the biggest confusion and chaos after the war > because they bombed the crap out of West Germany. The native Germans that > lived there were homeless. And on top of that food supply and business >>>>>> ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

O Eve, what a coincided my Father did the same. rode his bike there from Haid, he On May 12, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Eve wrote: work at the stahlwerke [ in Linz ],mostly Metal , hart work. the Austrians did not wanted that kind of Work , our People had to take what ever they could find , to make a living , no i have not seen the Book , my Mother,s cousin lives in Langholzfeld Pasching will ask about the Book , talking about Book, i wrote a Book KRUSCHEVLJE CONSENTRTION CAMP FOR GERMAN YUGOSLAVS AFTER WORLD WAR II. ITS PUBLISH BY AMAZON , my Mother her Mother, my 2 Sister,s an me where there .my Grandmother died there . Therese > My mother and sister went in 95 and said about the same thing. My uncle Jakob lived in Traun and his daughter still does. Some family went to Wels. My father used to work in Linz - rode his bike there from Haid. > > Have you seen the Book from the camp that was made? The cover I have is green, my cousins from Traun sent it to me. Lots of pictures. > > Eve > > > On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 3:04 PM, therese schmidt <trherschas@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hello Eve, > we came to Lager- Haid 1950, from lower Austria by Wien . > we landet in Linz in a camp by Family members , from there to Lager Haid , > 1954 to the U S A. sorry to say , i can not recall any of those names , > when ever i went to Germany, with my Husband , we went to Austria > and Lager Haid , some Family members still live there , the all got there own House > some in Traun and around , Lager Haid has change a loot, there is only one > Baracke left ,maybe to remember what it used to look like , when some of our People > lived there , there are Condos, Stores .Restaurant Motels, > even the church is build new .5 years ago i was there, it brings happy, > und sad memories , > Therese . > > On May 12, 2014, at 7:37 AM, Eve wrote: > >> Hello Therese, >> >> My parents too were at Haid Lager, but left in 51. Still at the camp were family members and friends, names of Siller, Dautermann, Sklena. Do any ring a bell? >> >> Eve >> >> >> On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 11:11 PM, therese schmidt <trherschas@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Hi Rita, >> i,m new here, i agree what you have Written , >> the same happen to my Parent , we lived in >> Lager Haid Austria, in 1953 they appellate for German Citizenship >> the where refused >> my Father was in the German Army , they did not go to Germany , >> instate the came to the U S A, Illinois , of 1954 , >> they joint the Donau Schwaben Verrein and American Aid Society , >> it was there where the Word Schwowe, - Schaben or Donauschwaben >> was always spoken of. >> Therese >> >> On May 11, 2014, at 8:39 PM, Eve wrote: >> >> > Hi Rita, >> > >> > You know as I do too, that growing up with family with issues of anger and >> > long believed prejudices that as a child we can't begin to understand how >> > all these things came about. The thoughts of our ancestors and how they >> > lived their lives and depending on which side of the coin they fell, where >> > their own personal sympathies laid. I'm getting confused just writing this >> > and trying to stay politically correct. >> > >> > The thing is.....we as posters don't necessarily agree with or even >> > comprehend the how or why of any of it. I know there are many out here on >> > the list who have lived it first hand, I have the second hand variety - >> > seen the anger, frustration the loss - and not a clue as to why!!!! Until >> > I found out about the DS and their journey (long before anyone thought to >> > coin the name Donauschwaben) was I able to start to make sense of what was >> > to many considered a horrible childhood for me (and my parents escaped and >> > were not in one of Tito's camps). Yes, indeed it is a difficult thing to >> > explain, but a real treasure when you do catch someone's ear and are able >> > to discuss it with the passion that I see shared here on the list. >> > >> > Eve >> > >> > >> > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com>wrote: >> > >> >> Hi Eve, >> >> My Mother made a personal decision not to go to Germany after the war. >> >> She and my Oma lived in the Graz area in Austria after escaping in 1948 >> >> and worked on local farms. My Oma was approached by some agency that was >> >> helping the refugees find places to reestablish themselves. The options >> >> were Germany, USA, or Australia. Even though the majority of my family >> >> went to Germany, Mom refused. Said there was no way she was going there >> >> (Stubborness runs in my family... Dickschädl for those that know the >> >> lingo). She felt Germany was the cause of all of their hardships and >> >> heartaches... and that Germany's actions were responsible for the murder of >> >> her father.... her brother's death (at that time he was MIA).... and the >> >> loss of everything that she ever knew. She would have been about 24 years >> >> old at the time of that decision. My Oma finally gave in to her and they >> >> came to the USA. Oma would go to Germany every few years or so to visit >> >> with her brothers, sisters, and their families. Some came to visit us >> >> occasionally. Oma really missed her immediate family. All in all, Mom >> >> still feels that is was the right thing to do. This also makes me wonder >> >> what nationlity she really considered herself to be in 1944.... especially >> >> since she would not involve herself with the Kulturbund (German Cultural >> >> Club) that established itself in Jugoslavia after WWII and, some feel, >> >> responsible for promoting Hitler's philosophies. She says she is German or >> >> Austrian (depending on who she is talking to). But, only because she >> >> doesn't want to have to explain about herself and her background. She was >> >> and still is not ashamed. But, the lack of knowledge Americans have about >> >> Donauschwaben and the end of WWII, make it a difficult explanation. >> >> Rita From Colorado, Jabuka, and Bistritz >> >>> From: evebrown@gmail.com >> >>> Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 18:35:42 -0400 >> >>> To: danielashowley@aol.com >> >>> CC: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship >> >>> >> >>> Daniela, >> >>> >> >>> My mom & dad told the same story. Mom didn't feel wanted in Austria - or >> >>> like she belonged and were refused entrance into Germany in 1946 as it >> >> was >> >>> overcrowded and they already had some cousins that were admitted - early >> >> on >> >>> in 45. >> >>> >> >>> Eve >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Syrmia Regional Coordinator >> > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Syrmia Regional Coordinator >> http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

My mother and sister went in 95 and said about the same thing. My uncle Jakob lived in Traun and his daughter still does. Some family went to Wels. My father used to work in Linz - rode his bike there from Haid. Have you seen the Book from the camp that was made? The cover I have is green, my cousins from Traun sent it to me. Lots of pictures. Eve On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 3:04 PM, therese schmidt <trherschas@yahoo.com>wrote: > Hello Eve, > we came to Lager- Haid 1950, from lower Austria by Wien . > we landet in Linz in a camp by Family members , from there to Lager > Haid , > 1954 to the U S A. sorry to say , i can not recall any of those > names , > when ever i went to Germany, with my Husband , we went to Austria > and Lager Haid , some Family members still live there , the all got > there own House > some in Traun and around , Lager Haid has change a loot, there > is only one > Baracke left ,maybe to remember what it used to look like , when > some of our People > lived there , there are Condos, Stores .Restaurant Motels, > even the church is build new .5 years ago i was there, it brings > happy, > und sad memories , > Therese . > > On May 12, 2014, at 7:37 AM, Eve wrote: > > Hello Therese, > > My parents too were at Haid Lager, but left in 51. Still at the camp were > family members and friends, names of Siller, Dautermann, Sklena. Do any > ring a bell? > > Eve > > > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 11:11 PM, therese schmidt <trherschas@yahoo.com>wrote: > >> Hi Rita, >> i,m new here, i agree what you have Written , >> the same happen to my Parent , we lived in >> Lager Haid Austria, in 1953 they appellate for German Citizenship >> the where refused >> my Father was in the German Army , they did not go to Germany , >> instate the came to the U S A, Illinois , of 1954 , >> they joint the Donau Schwaben Verrein and American Aid Society , >> it was there where the Word Schwowe, - Schaben or Donauschwaben >> was always spoken of. >> Therese >> >> On May 11, 2014, at 8:39 PM, Eve wrote: >> >> > Hi Rita, >> > >> > You know as I do too, that growing up with family with issues of anger >> and >> > long believed prejudices that as a child we can't begin to understand >> how >> > all these things came about. The thoughts of our ancestors and how they >> > lived their lives and depending on which side of the coin they fell, >> where >> > their own personal sympathies laid. I'm getting confused just writing >> this >> > and trying to stay politically correct. >> > >> > The thing is.....we as posters don't necessarily agree with or even >> > comprehend the how or why of any of it. I know there are many out here >> on >> > the list who have lived it first hand, I have the second hand variety - >> > seen the anger, frustration the loss - and not a clue as to why!!!! >> Until >> > I found out about the DS and their journey (long before anyone thought >> to >> > coin the name Donauschwaben) was I able to start to make sense of what >> was >> > to many considered a horrible childhood for me (and my parents escaped >> and >> > were not in one of Tito's camps). Yes, indeed it is a difficult thing >> to >> > explain, but a real treasure when you do catch someone's ear and are >> able >> > to discuss it with the passion that I see shared here on the list. >> > >> > Eve >> > >> > >> > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Rita Schiwanowitsch < >> schiwanore@msn.com>wrote: >> > >> >> Hi Eve, >> >> My Mother made a personal decision not to go to Germany after the war. >> >> She and my Oma lived in the Graz area in Austria after escaping in 1948 >> >> and worked on local farms. My Oma was approached by some agency that >> was >> >> helping the refugees find places to reestablish themselves. The >> options >> >> were Germany, USA, or Australia. Even though the majority of my family >> >> went to Germany, Mom refused. Said there was no way she was going >> there >> >> (Stubborness runs in my family... Dickschädl for those that know the >> >> lingo). She felt Germany was the cause of all of their hardships and >> >> heartaches... and that Germany's actions were responsible for the >> murder of >> >> her father.... her brother's death (at that time he was MIA).... and >> the >> >> loss of everything that she ever knew. She would have been about 24 >> years >> >> old at the time of that decision. My Oma finally gave in to her and >> they >> >> came to the USA. Oma would go to Germany every few years or so to >> visit >> >> with her brothers, sisters, and their families. Some came to visit us >> >> occasionally. Oma really missed her immediate family. All in all, Mom >> >> still feels that is was the right thing to do. This also makes me >> wonder >> >> what nationlity she really considered herself to be in 1944.... >> especially >> >> since she would not involve herself with the Kulturbund (German >> Cultural >> >> Club) that established itself in Jugoslavia after WWII and, some feel, >> >> responsible for promoting Hitler's philosophies. She says she is >> German or >> >> Austrian (depending on who she is talking to). But, only because she >> >> doesn't want to have to explain about herself and her background. She >> was >> >> and still is not ashamed. But, the lack of knowledge Americans have >> about >> >> Donauschwaben and the end of WWII, make it a difficult explanation. >> >> Rita From Colorado, Jabuka, and Bistritz >> >>> From: evebrown@gmail.com >> >>> Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 18:35:42 -0400 >> >>> To: danielashowley@aol.com >> >>> CC: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship >> >>> >> >>> Daniela, >> >>> >> >>> My mom & dad told the same story. Mom didn't feel wanted in Austria >> - or >> >>> like she belonged and were refused entrance into Germany in 1946 as it >> >> was >> >>> overcrowded and they already had some cousins that were admitted - >> early >> >> on >> >>> in 45. >> >>> >> >>> Eve >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' >> >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Syrmia Regional Coordinator >> > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

I am looking for information on Katharina Weber born around 1864 in Hatzfeld. Parents unknown. She married twice to Johann Kindl and Johann Schulz, both from Groß Komlosch. Thanks, Robert Evensen

Hy everyone, I think indeed that a better knowledge of history would help us all put things in perspective, although I'm sure most of you have done enough researches on the subject. Here is a short clip on the empires of Austria and Prussia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdpuTqZC8t8 Cheers! Tina Michel, Montreal, Canada

My dad was born in Zemun in 1930. He was living in a neighborhood mixed with Serbians and Croatians. The majority of Donauschwaben lived in Franztal on the outskirts of Zemun. When he would go to Franztal to visit his Oma Harjung's house the little boys there used to say, "Da Shtettler kommt!" Which means "The city boy is coming!" From 1936 - 1941 when he is was ages 6-10, he went to The King Peter grammar school in Zemun. In school they were teaching the Serbo-Croatian languages. After 4 years in grammar school he went to the gymnasium school which was his 5th grade (I believe that would be high school by our standards) he finished the first year in gymnasium and then his family relocated to Brandenburg Germany. In Brandenburg he went to school from 1942 - 1945. He was in regular school part of the day and then his last two years he was also going to trade school in the graphic arts, Lithographischen trade school. So my dad had 8 years of schooling which included 2 years of trade school. He was never ashamed of his lack of schooling. But then again he was a city boy, not a village boy, like most of the other Donauschwaben. The Donauschwaben were not highly intellectual people, but they were no dummies either. They had lawyers, they had business people, they had doctors. They had a group of intellectuals, but the majority of Donauschwaben were farmers. They were basically agricultural people. And there was no need for them to go into the high schools or the colleges or whatever it is. That was a part of the culture of that particular time. But every Donauschwabe knew how to read and write in more than one languages. There is no reason for them to be ashamed. On the contrary, they should be very proud of themselves. they have accomplished things what many, many others, would never think could be accomplished.. Daniela Ivkovic Showley -----Original Message----- From: Eve <evebrown@gmail.com> To: Hans Kopp <hanskopp.anni@yahoo.com> Cc: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES@rootsweb.com> Hans, You've hit on something I hadn't thought of - lack of schooling. I said my mom was not ashamed, but now when I think about it and your post - when it came to her education I do think she was ashamed, my father too. It was covered up with anger in regard to anything to do with education - that was a tough one for me growing up. My school work always came last after chores were done and sometimes my grades suffered because of it - but failing a subject was not allowed either. I have noticed that other families from mom's and dad's towns had just the opposite reaction where education came to the front. Funny how the same thing can effect others in different ways. I have to say that my parents education was not cut back because of the war though (IMHO), but because of lifestyle and being in a "newer" colony. Their village never had the pretty Trachten that I see connected with many other villages - they wore their Sunday best, but just not as fancy. Just my 2¢ worth (I'm in the US we still have our pennies - LOL) Eve ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All A wasn't going to add anything to this conversation but I just had to. Nationality vs Citizenship is not that important. I love my heritage, and keep up with some of the customs and am passing them on to my children, but what is important is to be a good citizen of your country. My Seitz Ancestors immigrated from Hessen to the Austrian Empire in 1765, settling first in what is now Hungary. From there onward to the Batschka, Macedonia, eventually back to Serbia. My mother was born in Hamburg, Germany. My Dad in Neu Slankamen Syrmia. I have two brothers born in Romania, a sister and brother born in Macedonia, one sister born in Poland, one in East Germany and I was born in West Germany. I am currently a dual American and Canadian Citizen living in Canada, soon to move to Florida in the USA. See what I mean? Frank - Windsor On 5/12/2014 2:33 PM, Eleanor Little wrote: > Thank you, Everyone. My mother was part of Romania when part of > Austria-Hungary was taken and given to Romania as part of the treaty after > WW I. Even the children were forced to learn the Romanian language at > school. > > After many years, a move to Canada, the U.S.A., and becoming a U.S. > citizen, I remember that she still hesitated strongly (became nervous, > uncertain, had a hard time saying "Romanian") when we crossed the border to > Canada and a Border officer asked her nationality. Her passport then said > she was from Romania. How confusing that must have been! All her family > remained in Ontario, Canada. > > I appreciate your sensitive expression of what must have been such a > painful history for all the Donau-Schwabian people with German ancestry. > > My father was German and sometimes referred to her being a Schwabian and > somewhat lower than others. > > Eleanor > > > On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 11:04 AM, <mjm1021@comcast.net> wrote: > >> You need to understand the history. The Donauschwaben lived in the Banat >> for 150 years. When they left they were German residents of >> Austria-Hungary. After World War I, Hungary was separated from Austria. >> The Germans in Hungary gradually lost their identity as Germans, although >> many still felt German. They no longer had a homeland protecting them. >> >> Then Hitler took control. In general the Donauschwaben were against >> Hitler, but the Hungarians >> were now in control of the Banat. The German Banaters became like second >> class citizens. They had no homeland. Tito took their homes away from >> them and put them in concentration camps. >> >> Then after World war II our allies ignorantly decided that every >> nationality should return to its original homeland and they changed around >> the boundaries. Part of Germany became Poland. So germans were forced to >> leave these areas so that Poles could move there. They created monstrous >> chaos! >> I could not understand my parents' reactions until I went back to the >> history! And I am still learning. >> >> Fran Matkovich >> >> Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Eve >> To: Daniela >> Cc: donauschwaben-villages >> Sent: May 11, 2014 at 5:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship >> >> Daniela, >> >> My mom & dad told the same story. Mom didn't feel wanted in Austria - or >> like she belonged and were refused entrance into Germany in 1946 as it was >> overcrowded and they already had some cousins that were admitted - early on >> in 45. >> >> Eve >> >> >> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Daniela <danielashowley@aol.com> wrote: >> >>>> Germany, after the 2nd world war, I am talking now West Germany not East >>> Germany. West Germany was the biggest confusion and chaos after the war >>> because they bombed the crap out of West Germany. The native Germans that >>> lived there were homeless. And on top of that food supply and business >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> -- >> Syrmia Regional Coordinator >> http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Eve, we came to Lager- Haid 1950, from lower Austria by Wien . we landet in Linz in a camp by Family members , from there to Lager Haid , 1954 to the U S A. sorry to say , i can not recall any of those names , when ever i went to Germany, with my Husband , we went to Austria and Lager Haid , some Family members still live there , the all got there own House some in Traun and around , Lager Haid has change a loot, there is only one Baracke left ,maybe to remember what it used to look like , when some of our People lived there , there are Condos, Stores .Restaurant Motels, even the church is build new .5 years ago i was there, it brings happy, und sad memories , Therese . On May 12, 2014, at 7:37 AM, Eve wrote: > Hello Therese, > > My parents too were at Haid Lager, but left in 51. Still at the camp were family members and friends, names of Siller, Dautermann, Sklena. Do any ring a bell? > > Eve > > > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 11:11 PM, therese schmidt <trherschas@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi Rita, > i,m new here, i agree what you have Written , > the same happen to my Parent , we lived in > Lager Haid Austria, in 1953 they appellate for German Citizenship > the where refused > my Father was in the German Army , they did not go to Germany , > instate the came to the U S A, Illinois , of 1954 , > they joint the Donau Schwaben Verrein and American Aid Society , > it was there where the Word Schwowe, - Schaben or Donauschwaben > was always spoken of. > Therese > > On May 11, 2014, at 8:39 PM, Eve wrote: > > > Hi Rita, > > > > You know as I do too, that growing up with family with issues of anger and > > long believed prejudices that as a child we can't begin to understand how > > all these things came about. The thoughts of our ancestors and how they > > lived their lives and depending on which side of the coin they fell, where > > their own personal sympathies laid. I'm getting confused just writing this > > and trying to stay politically correct. > > > > The thing is.....we as posters don't necessarily agree with or even > > comprehend the how or why of any of it. I know there are many out here on > > the list who have lived it first hand, I have the second hand variety - > > seen the anger, frustration the loss - and not a clue as to why!!!! Until > > I found out about the DS and their journey (long before anyone thought to > > coin the name Donauschwaben) was I able to start to make sense of what was > > to many considered a horrible childhood for me (and my parents escaped and > > were not in one of Tito's camps). Yes, indeed it is a difficult thing to > > explain, but a real treasure when you do catch someone's ear and are able > > to discuss it with the passion that I see shared here on the list. > > > > Eve > > > > > > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Rita Schiwanowitsch <schiwanore@msn.com>wrote: > > > >> Hi Eve, > >> My Mother made a personal decision not to go to Germany after the war. > >> She and my Oma lived in the Graz area in Austria after escaping in 1948 > >> and worked on local farms. My Oma was approached by some agency that was > >> helping the refugees find places to reestablish themselves. The options > >> were Germany, USA, or Australia. Even though the majority of my family > >> went to Germany, Mom refused. Said there was no way she was going there > >> (Stubborness runs in my family... Dickschädl for those that know the > >> lingo). She felt Germany was the cause of all of their hardships and > >> heartaches... and that Germany's actions were responsible for the murder of > >> her father.... her brother's death (at that time he was MIA).... and the > >> loss of everything that she ever knew. She would have been about 24 years > >> old at the time of that decision. My Oma finally gave in to her and they > >> came to the USA. Oma would go to Germany every few years or so to visit > >> with her brothers, sisters, and their families. Some came to visit us > >> occasionally. Oma really missed her immediate family. All in all, Mom > >> still feels that is was the right thing to do. This also makes me wonder > >> what nationlity she really considered herself to be in 1944.... especially > >> since she would not involve herself with the Kulturbund (German Cultural > >> Club) that established itself in Jugoslavia after WWII and, some feel, > >> responsible for promoting Hitler's philosophies. She says she is German or > >> Austrian (depending on who she is talking to). But, only because she > >> doesn't want to have to explain about herself and her background. She was > >> and still is not ashamed. But, the lack of knowledge Americans have about > >> Donauschwaben and the end of WWII, make it a difficult explanation. > >> Rita From Colorado, Jabuka, and Bistritz > >>> From: evebrown@gmail.com > >>> Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 18:35:42 -0400 > >>> To: danielashowley@aol.com > >>> CC: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship > >>> > >>> Daniela, > >>> > >>> My mom & dad told the same story. Mom didn't feel wanted in Austria - or > >>> like she belonged and were refused entrance into Germany in 1946 as it > >> was > >>> overcrowded and they already had some cousins that were admitted - early > >> on > >>> in 45. > >>> > >>> Eve > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

Thank you, Everyone. My mother was part of Romania when part of Austria-Hungary was taken and given to Romania as part of the treaty after WW I. Even the children were forced to learn the Romanian language at school. After many years, a move to Canada, the U.S.A., and becoming a U.S. citizen, I remember that she still hesitated strongly (became nervous, uncertain, had a hard time saying "Romanian") when we crossed the border to Canada and a Border officer asked her nationality. Her passport then said she was from Romania. How confusing that must have been! All her family remained in Ontario, Canada. I appreciate your sensitive expression of what must have been such a painful history for all the Donau-Schwabian people with German ancestry. My father was German and sometimes referred to her being a Schwabian and somewhat lower than others. Eleanor On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 11:04 AM, <mjm1021@comcast.net> wrote: > You need to understand the history. The Donauschwaben lived in the Banat > for 150 years. When they left they were German residents of > Austria-Hungary. After World War I, Hungary was separated from Austria. > The Germans in Hungary gradually lost their identity as Germans, although > many still felt German. They no longer had a homeland protecting them. > > Then Hitler took control. In general the Donauschwaben were against > Hitler, but the Hungarians > were now in control of the Banat. The German Banaters became like second > class citizens. They had no homeland. Tito took their homes away from > them and put them in concentration camps. > > Then after World war II our allies ignorantly decided that every > nationality should return to its original homeland and they changed around > the boundaries. Part of Germany became Poland. So germans were forced to > leave these areas so that Poles could move there. They created monstrous > chaos! > I could not understand my parents' reactions until I went back to the > history! And I am still learning. > > Fran Matkovich > > Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eve > To: Daniela > Cc: donauschwaben-villages > Sent: May 11, 2014 at 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: [DVHH] German-Hungarians - Nationality vs Citizenship > > Daniela, > > My mom & dad told the same story. Mom didn't feel wanted in Austria - or > like she belonged and were refused entrance into Germany in 1946 as it was > overcrowded and they already had some cousins that were admitted - early on > in 45. > > Eve > > > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Daniela <danielashowley@aol.com> wrote: > > >> Germany, after the 2nd world war, I am talking now West Germany not East > > Germany. West Germany was the biggest confusion and chaos after the war > > because they bombed the crap out of West Germany. The native Germans that > > lived there were homeless. And on top of that food supply and business > >>>>>> ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

We will need a name and village if known. to see his ship records go to stephenpmorse.com and type in his name and possible date. many sailing from Fiume will be listed here. Linda Bautz McKenna ----- Original Message ----- From: "DVHH Webmaster" <dvhh.community@comcast.net> To: "DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-L" <DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 12:31 AM Subject: [DVHH] FW: want to register > To join the DVHH membership, see: http://www.dvhh.org/membership/ > > > > To subscribe to the DVHH mail list, see: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/HUN/DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES.htm > l > > > > See below, can anyone assist further? - Jody > > > > > > From: DVHH Feedback [mailto:contact_request@dvhh.org] > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 2:25 AM > To: dvhh.community@comcast.net > Subject: wan to register > > > > The following feedback was sent by maristella STIGLICH > (maristella@optusnet.com.au) via the www.dvhh.org Contact page: > > I would like to registar So I can try and discover more about my > grandfather > going to New York from Fiume.Italy in or about 1910 maristella stiglich > > DVHH-L Subscriber: N > > > IP Address: 122.111.255.97 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com