Gee, after all that, I'm still not sure how it's supposed to be pronounced, never having heard it before. :-D Stewart G. -------------------------------------------------- From: <joepsotka@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 3:31 PM To: "dvhh" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DVHH] Shwovish, Shwobe, Shwoveh > > > > > Many of us Shwoveh are unhappy about being called „Danube Swabians“ as a > leftover of the Weimar colonialism and Nazi „Drang nach Osten“ > > And so we much prefer the words the Children of the Danube use for them > selves. > > In > > > > Emigrants and Exiles: Book Three, Volume Two > > By Henry A. Fischer > > p. 1386 > > He tries to write these Shwovish words in English and a sort of German > that is not very successful. > > He lists: „Schwovisch“ – and says that this is how 'Schwove“ call > themselves. > > I find this ill advised for several reasons. > > The first spelling, in German would be read as „shwofish“ which is > clearly not what Fischer wants to convey. > > The second word in English would be read a silent „e“ at the end, which is > clearly not what Fischer wants to convey.; and in German would be read as > „shwofeh“ which is clearly not what Fischer wants to convey. > > Accordingly I recommend that we all use the Englishified versions for the > Germanic „Schwowe“, Schwob“ and „Schwowisch“ > > And write them as Shwoveh, Shwobe, and Shwovish. These capture the right > sounds of what was and remains a spoken and largely unwritten language of > our ancestors. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just checked out the gridmap below of the villages of the Banat. It is great. Thanks Alex for making it available to everyone and thanks Robert for pointing the rest of us in the right direction. Maria Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 19:41:45 -0400 From: "Robert Evensen" <revensen@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Map & list To: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com>, "DVHH" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <4E03CD23BAB14503A385424E38DCDC88@robertHP> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Barb, There is a wonderful map made available on the DVHH site by Alex Leeb which gives all the villages of the Banat. http://www.banaters.com/dre/gridmap.asp Give it a try. Robert Evensen -----Original Message----- From: Barb D Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 6:55 PM To: DVHH Subject: [DVHH] Map & list Hi Listers I was cleaning out my old post and had this thought. I thought it might be fun and useful to have a map & list of all the places that our listers original families are from. So that when we are reading a post and they are talking about some town etc. we would know where it is. I have tried to locate some of the places but haven?t had much luck. I guess 1st of all I don?t have a really good map of the area. (any suggestion). 2nd I haven?t a clue where places are. Just a thought if some one has the time & knowledge. Also I have a copy of a old newspaper article that was an interview with my g grandmother MARGARETA (JUNGER) BRATAN from Deutschsanktmichael. I was wondering if I sent it to some one if they could translate it for me. I think it is probably in German. Also if anyone would know how I could get a better copy or even a copy of the newspaper it was in. I also have copies of words that have been written on the back of cards & pictures that I would love to know what they say and maybe even what dialect they are, if you can tell from writings. Thanks so much for your attention and hoping some one can help. Barb D. -------------------------------

Thanks Harold, These are very helpful and interesting! Barb D -----Original Message----- From: Harold Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 12:16 PM To: Donauschwaben Subject: [DVHH] maps For listers who are interested, http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia/images/syrmia-slavonia-kopp.jpg ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For listers   who are interested, http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia/images/syrmia-slavonia-kopp.jpg

Try this Tony, http://www.dvhh.org/batschka/images/maps/batschka-kopp.jpg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Fieder" <aefieder@hotmail.com> To: "Maria Moore" <maria.moore@sas.com>, donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 9:07:11 AM Subject: Re: [DVHH] Map & list Great map, for sure! Is there a similar one for the Batschka??? Tony > From: Maria.Moore@sas.com > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 14:10:45 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Map & list > > I just checked out the gridmap below of the villages of the Banat. It is great. Thanks Alex for making it available to everyone and thanks Robert for pointing the rest of us in the right direction. > > Maria > > Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 19:41:45 -0400 > From: "Robert Evensen" <revensen@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Map & list > To: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com>, "DVHH" > <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <4E03CD23BAB14503A385424E38DCDC88@robertHP> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > Barb, > > There is a wonderful map made available on the DVHH site by Alex Leeb which gives all the villages of the Banat. > http://www.banaters.com/dre/gridmap.asp Give it a try. > > Robert Evensen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barb D > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 6:55 PM > To: DVHH > Subject: [DVHH] Map & list > > Hi Listers > I was cleaning out my old post and had this thought. I thought it might be fun and useful to have a map & list of all the places that our listers original families are from. So that when we are reading a post and they are talking about some town etc. we would know where it is. I have tried to locate some of the places but haven?t had much luck. I guess 1st of all I don?t have a really good map of the area. (any suggestion). 2nd I haven?t a clue where places are. > Just a thought if some one has the time & knowledge. > > Also I have a copy of a old newspaper article that was an interview with my g grandmother MARGARETA (JUNGER) BRATAN from Deutschsanktmichael. I was wondering if I sent it to some one if they could translate it for me. I think it is probably in German. Also if anyone would know how I could get a better copy or even a copy of the newspaper it was in. > I also have copies of words that have been written on the back of cards & pictures that I would love to know what they say and maybe even what dialect they are, if you can tell from writings. > Thanks so much for your attention and hoping some one can help. > Barb D. > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Great map, for sure! Is there a similar one for the Batschka??? Tony > From: Maria.Moore@sas.com > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 14:10:45 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Map & list > > I just checked out the gridmap below of the villages of the Banat. It is great. Thanks Alex for making it available to everyone and thanks Robert for pointing the rest of us in the right direction. > > Maria > > Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 19:41:45 -0400 > From: "Robert Evensen" <revensen@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Map & list > To: "Barb D" <bbd2424@gmail.com>, "DVHH" > <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <4E03CD23BAB14503A385424E38DCDC88@robertHP> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > Barb, > > There is a wonderful map made available on the DVHH site by Alex Leeb which gives all the villages of the Banat. > http://www.banaters.com/dre/gridmap.asp Give it a try. > > Robert Evensen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barb D > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 6:55 PM > To: DVHH > Subject: [DVHH] Map & list > > Hi Listers > I was cleaning out my old post and had this thought. I thought it might be fun and useful to have a map & list of all the places that our listers original families are from. So that when we are reading a post and they are talking about some town etc. we would know where it is. I have tried to locate some of the places but haven?t had much luck. I guess 1st of all I don?t have a really good map of the area. (any suggestion). 2nd I haven?t a clue where places are. > Just a thought if some one has the time & knowledge. > > Also I have a copy of a old newspaper article that was an interview with my g grandmother MARGARETA (JUNGER) BRATAN from Deutschsanktmichael. I was wondering if I sent it to some one if they could translate it for me. I think it is probably in German. Also if anyone would know how I could get a better copy or even a copy of the newspaper it was in. > I also have copies of words that have been written on the back of cards & pictures that I would love to know what they say and maybe even what dialect they are, if you can tell from writings. > Thanks so much for your attention and hoping some one can help. > Barb D. > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, By any chance does anyone know the name of the cemetery in Deustch St. Michael(sanmihaiu german)? Does anyone have access to the cemetery or records? Looking for BRATAN (BRATTAN) LEIMETTER, KOST, FRESZ, JUNGER. Thanks, Barb D.

Hi Rose Mary, Thanks for that new link, I will be checking it out! You always come up with the most interesting and useful sites. And I don't think anything that can aid our research is off topic. Jody -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rose Mary Keller Hughes Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 12:48 PM To: donauschwaben-villages Subject: [DVHH] Off-Topic--Evernote for Genealogy I’ve used Evernote for other purposes never thinking how it might serve as another genealogical tool. Cyndie’s List has developed a blog telling how it might be used. If you are interested, just go to: http://www.cyndislist.com/evernote/ Rose Mary Keller Hughes --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OMG! That is really great. How do I get a certain address? Thanks so much! Barb D. From: mep Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 6:26 PM To: Barb D Cc: DVHH Subject: Re: [DVHH] Map & list Such a good idea. Anyone know the Google maps API? It should be easy enough if everyone gives the city names (correctly spelled in the local language). Whenever I need a see a place, most anywhere in the world, I search Google maps at maps.google.com. Doing a search for the city and country takes me there. Try it. And if there is "street view" for the area, it makes it even better. I've checked out the village of Deta/Detta, Romania. The city even has a web page with local images and information. I've found my brother-in-law outside his home in Taipei, Taiwan. On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Barb D <bbd2424@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Listers I was cleaning out my old post and had this thought. I thought it might be fun and useful to have a map & list of all the places that our listers original families are from. So that when we are reading a post and they are talking about some town etc. we would know where it is. I have tried to locate some of the places but haven’t had much luck. I guess 1st of all I don’t have a really good map of the area. (any suggestion). 2nd I haven’t a clue where places are. Just a thought if some one has the time & knowledge. Also I have a copy of a old newspaper article that was an interview with my g grandmother MARGARETA (JUNGER) BRATAN from Deutschsanktmichael. I was wondering if I sent it to some one if they could translate it for me. I think it is probably in German. Also if anyone would know how I could get a better copy or even a copy of the newspaper it was in. I also have copies of words that have been written on the back of cards & pictures that I would love to know what they say and maybe even what dialect they are, if you can tell from writings. Thanks so much for your attention and hoping some one can help. Barb D. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barb, There is a wonderful map made available on the DVHH site by Alex Leeb which gives all the villages of the Banat. http://www.banaters.com/dre/gridmap.asp Give it a try. Robert Evensen -----Original Message----- From: Barb D Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 6:55 PM To: DVHH Subject: [DVHH] Map & list Hi Listers I was cleaning out my old post and had this thought. I thought it might be fun and useful to have a map & list of all the places that our listers original families are from. So that when we are reading a post and they are talking about some town etc. we would know where it is. I have tried to locate some of the places but haven’t had much luck. I guess 1st of all I don’t have a really good map of the area. (any suggestion). 2nd I haven’t a clue where places are. Just a thought if some one has the time & knowledge. Also I have a copy of a old newspaper article that was an interview with my g grandmother MARGARETA (JUNGER) BRATAN from Deutschsanktmichael. I was wondering if I sent it to some one if they could translate it for me. I think it is probably in German. Also if anyone would know how I could get a better copy or even a copy of the newspaper it was in. I also have copies of words that have been written on the back of cards & pictures that I would love to know what they say and maybe even what dialect they are, if you can tell from writings. Thanks so much for your attention and hoping some one can help. Barb D. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Robert! You are right it is a great map. Do you know if this covers all of the areas for all of our listers or do they come from other areas also? If so what areas would that be? Hope this makes some sense. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Evensen Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 6:41 PM To: Barb D ; DVHH Subject: Re: [DVHH] Map & list Barb, There is a wonderful map made available on the DVHH site by Alex Leeb which gives all the villages of the Banat. http://www.banaters.com/dre/gridmap.asp Give it a try. Robert Evensen -----Original Message----- From: Barb D Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 6:55 PM To: DVHH Subject: [DVHH] Map & list Hi Listers I was cleaning out my old post and had this thought. I thought it might be fun and useful to have a map & list of all the places that our listers original families are from. So that when we are reading a post and they are talking about some town etc. we would know where it is. I have tried to locate some of the places but haven’t had much luck. I guess 1st of all I don’t have a really good map of the area. (any suggestion). 2nd I haven’t a clue where places are. Just a thought if some one has the time & knowledge. Also I have a copy of a old newspaper article that was an interview with my g grandmother MARGARETA (JUNGER) BRATAN from Deutschsanktmichael. I was wondering if I sent it to some one if they could translate it for me. I think it is probably in German. Also if anyone would know how I could get a better copy or even a copy of the newspaper it was in. I also have copies of words that have been written on the back of cards & pictures that I would love to know what they say and maybe even what dialect they are, if you can tell from writings. Thanks so much for your attention and hoping some one can help. Barb D. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers I was cleaning out my old post and had this thought. I thought it might be fun and useful to have a map & list of all the places that our listers original families are from. So that when we are reading a post and they are talking about some town etc. we would know where it is. I have tried to locate some of the places but haven’t had much luck. I guess 1st of all I don’t have a really good map of the area. (any suggestion). 2nd I haven’t a clue where places are. Just a thought if some one has the time & knowledge. Also I have a copy of a old newspaper article that was an interview with my g grandmother MARGARETA (JUNGER) BRATAN from Deutschsanktmichael. I was wondering if I sent it to some one if they could translate it for me. I think it is probably in German. Also if anyone would know how I could get a better copy or even a copy of the newspaper it was in. I also have copies of words that have been written on the back of cards & pictures that I would love to know what they say and maybe even what dialect they are, if you can tell from writings. Thanks so much for your attention and hoping some one can help. Barb D.

Such a good idea. Anyone know the Google maps API? It should be easy enough if everyone gives the city names (correctly spelled in the local language). Whenever I need a see a place, most anywhere in the world, I search Google maps at maps.google.com. Doing a search for the city and country takes me there. Try it. And if there is "street view" for the area, it makes it even better. I've checked out the village of Deta/Detta, Romania. The city even has a web page with local images and information. I've found my brother-in-law outside his home in Taipei, Taiwan. On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Barb D <bbd2424@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Listers > I was cleaning out my old post and had this thought. I thought it might be > fun and useful to have a map & list of all the places that our listers > original families are from. So that when we are reading a post and they are > talking about some town etc. we would know where it is. I have tried to > locate some of the places but haven’t had much luck. I guess 1st of all I > don’t have a really good map of the area. (any suggestion). 2nd I haven’t a > clue where places are. > Just a thought if some one has the time & knowledge. > > Also I have a copy of a old newspaper article that was an interview with > my g grandmother MARGARETA (JUNGER) BRATAN from Deutschsanktmichael. I was > wondering if I sent it to some one if they could translate it for me. I > think it is probably in German. Also if anyone would know how I could get a > better copy or even a copy of the newspaper it was in. > I also have copies of words that have been written on the back of cards & > pictures that I would love to know what they say and maybe even what > dialect they are, if you can tell from writings. > Thanks so much for your attention and hoping some one can help. > Barb D. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I’ve used Evernote for other purposes never thinking how it might serve as another genealogical tool. Cyndie’s List has developed a blog telling how it might be used. If you are interested, just go to: http://www.cyndislist.com/evernote/ Rose Mary Keller Hughes --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi Pat Have you checked David Dreyer's Banat ship list -you might be able to gather some more information from there. I see a Mathias Lischko who was going to visit his brother Johann in Cincinnati - shows his wife's name, children & the mother Katharine. Also shows a Theresis Lischko married to Johann, shows her father as Franz Reitenbach. Here's the link: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~banatdata/DDB/BySurname/Surname-Liptich.htm Terry Schira > -----Original Message----- > From: wstoughton@comcast.net > Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2014 7:25 PM > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DVHH] Roll Call LISCHKO, Hatzfeld > > I hope I did this correctly. > > LISCHKO/LISHCO: Johann, Josef, Katarina, Mattias, Barbara, Teresia, Peter > > REITENBACH: Magdalen, Teresia > > HENPERT: Franz, Magdalen, Teresia > > Area: Hatzfeld > Occupations: Farmers, Tailors > Religion: Roman Catholic > Immigration records show coming to US via NY in early 1900s (have ships' > manifests) > Moved to Cincinnati, Ohio (have census records) > > I know nothing of their life before the U.S. All records indicate Hatzfeld > yet no one seems to find them in any Hatzfeld records. > > > Thank you. > > Pat Stoughton > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES Digest, Vol 7, Issue 146 > ******************************************************

Hi Pat, The problem is that the Hatzfeld Familienbuch ends in the late 1800's. Have you tried the free website familysearch.org ? This is the Family History Center's new online database. Fran Matkovich -----Original Message----- From: wstoughton@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2014 7:25 PM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] Roll Call LISCHKO, Hatzfeld I hope I did this correctly. LISCHKO/LISHCO: Johann, Josef, Katarina, Mattias, Barbara, Teresia, Peter REITENBACH: Magdalen, Teresia HENPERT: Franz, Magdalen, Teresia Area: Hatzfeld Occupations: Farmers, Tailors Religion: Roman Catholic Immigration records show coming to US via NY in early 1900s (have ships' manifests) Moved to Cincinnati, Ohio (have census records) I know nothing of their life before the U.S. All records indicate Hatzfeld yet no one seems to find them in any Hatzfeld records. Thank you. Pat Stoughton ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mea culpa! Thank you for pointing that out. However, Charles, I think that most of the German speaking people in Lorraine speak ''Fränkisch'' or Franconian (francique lorrain de la région de Thionville: close to Luxemburgisch - francique mosellan: close to Saarländisch - francique rhénan: probably the closest to the Pfalzer dialect and only spoken by a rare minority). As you certainly know, Franconian does not belong to the Alemannic group. Mind you, as both are old Germanic languages, they are easily understood by the other party. Except for a few local used words and particular intonations/accents, I can converse and understand these dialects as well as the Alemannic ones from Germany, Austria and of course Alsace, although with a little more difficulty with the Swiss Alemannic, which is quite a case on its own. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorraine_Franconian) Cheers! D'une Lorraine expatriée... Tina ----- Original Message ----- From: "AMANN Charles" <charles.amann@sfr.fr> To: "Tina Michel" <tranpro@primus.ca> Cc: <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com>; "Lotte Devlin" <lielo816@aol.com> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [DVHH] Pennsylvania Dutch and Donauschwaben You forgot the language we speak in Lorraine Envoyé de mon iPhone Le 15 mai 2014 à 21:04, Tina Michel <tranpro@primus.ca> a écrit : > Hi Lotte, > > Indeed, Philadelphia Dutch is close to the Schwowisch dialekt. > > It's actually also close to some of the Alsatian dialekts and Swiss > Alemanic > (the Amish folks originate from Switzerland and Alsace which they left in > big number to live in the Netherlands and Amerika!). > > Also interesting to see is that in their dialekt, the PD and Amish > pronounce > the word ''Deutsch'' as ''Düstch'' (easy to transform into ''Dutch'' for > an > anglophone!). > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish > > Have a great day! > > Tina > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lotte Devlin" <lielo816@aol.com> > To: <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 8:47 PM > Subject: [DVHH] Pennsylvania Dutch and Donauschwaben > > >> >> All, >> I grew up in the Philadelphia area, so often saw/heard Pennsylvania Dutch >> folks who had come to Philly for different reasons. It always struck me >> that Penn Deitsch had many similarities to Schwowisch. >> >> I thought that I had read somewhere that the PD immigrated to America >> about the same time our DS ancestors traveled south to colonize the >> frontier. Anyone else ever hear that? >> >> I found this interesting link to the PD newspaper, which is still >> operational today. Its name "HIEWWE WIE DRIWWE" means "over here as over >> there." Those who can read Schwowisch might find this interesting, too. >> While I'm sure the PD language developed on its own once it was >> transported to USA, one can definitely see some similarities to >> Schwowisch. Whatya think? >> >> You won't hurt my feelings if you think I'm off my rocker! Enjoy! >> >> Lotte >> >> http://hiwwewiedriwwe.wordpress.com/ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ----- >> Aucun virus trouve dans ce message. >> Analyse effectuee par AVG - www.avg.fr >> Version: 2013.0.3469 / Base de donnees virale: 3722/7495 - Date: >> 14/05/2014 >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- Aucun virus trouvé dans ce message. Analyse effectuée par AVG - www.avg.fr Version: 2013.0.3469 / Base de données virale: 3722/7507 - Date: 16/05/2014

I'm half Swiss, and it's like listening to old-fashioned swiss-german whenever I hear the Amish speak. Diana -----Original Message----- From: Alex Leeb Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 12:30 AM To: Daniela Cc: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Pennsylvania Dutch and Donauschwaben Daniela. They have a Schwowischen accent. I understand about 90 percent of their language. I never met any, but I can understand them. I believe that was their annual gathering? About 600 attendents. Alex On 2014-05-15, at 4:25 PM, Daniela wrote: > > Hi there Alex...That's the website that Lotte had put through about the > Pennsylvania Dutch. And yes, that is Amish. Can you read and understand > their dialect? I can. Though some of the words are spelled differently > than how I would write them or say them, I can still make them out and > understand what they are saying. It's amazing. I actually want to visit > the Amish now because of it. I would have much fun talking with them. > > Daniela Ivkovic Showley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Leeb <al4501@shaw.ca> > To: Daniela <danielashowley@aol.com> > > Hi Daniela. > > Is this Amisch ? > > http://hiwwewiedriwwe.wordpress.com/ > > Alex. > > > On 2014-05-15, at 12:34 PM, Daniela wrote: > > > The Amish are Germanic. They come from the Palatinate region which is a > > region > in Southwestern Germany. I was amazed at how similiar their dialect is to > the > Schwowish I speak. I can understand them very well. But, I think if they > have a > link with the Donauschwaben it is a small link. The Amish today are still > holding up their tradition, but I think their younger generations are > looking > for a change. By tradition, the Amish live more or less by what Mother > Nature > gives them. They shun technology and I believe their young generation > wants that > now. But there are big similarities between the Amish and Donauschwaben > because > both were agriculturally orientated and very hard working people. So from > the > standpoint that they have cultivated the land and worked very hard they > are like > the Donauschwaben. > > > > > > Daniela Ivkovic Showley > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You forgot the language we speak in Lorraine Envoyé de mon iPhone Le 15 mai 2014 à 21:04, Tina Michel <tranpro@primus.ca> a écrit : > Hi Lotte, > > Indeed, Philadelphia Dutch is close to the Schwowisch dialekt. > > It's actually also close to some of the Alsatian dialekts and Swiss Alemanic > (the Amish folks originate from Switzerland and Alsace which they left in > big number to live in the Netherlands and Amerika!). > > Also interesting to see is that in their dialekt, the PD and Amish pronounce > the word ''Deutsch'' as ''Düstch'' (easy to transform into ''Dutch'' for an > anglophone!). > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish > > Have a great day! > > Tina > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lotte Devlin" <lielo816@aol.com> > To: <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 8:47 PM > Subject: [DVHH] Pennsylvania Dutch and Donauschwaben > > >> >> All, >> I grew up in the Philadelphia area, so often saw/heard Pennsylvania Dutch >> folks who had come to Philly for different reasons. It always struck me >> that Penn Deitsch had many similarities to Schwowisch. >> >> I thought that I had read somewhere that the PD immigrated to America >> about the same time our DS ancestors traveled south to colonize the >> frontier. Anyone else ever hear that? >> >> I found this interesting link to the PD newspaper, which is still >> operational today. Its name "HIEWWE WIE DRIWWE" means "over here as over >> there." Those who can read Schwowisch might find this interesting, too. >> While I'm sure the PD language developed on its own once it was >> transported to USA, one can definitely see some similarities to >> Schwowisch. Whatya think? >> >> You won't hurt my feelings if you think I'm off my rocker! Enjoy! >> >> Lotte >> >> http://hiwwewiedriwwe.wordpress.com/ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ----- >> Aucun virus trouve dans ce message. >> Analyse effectuee par AVG - www.avg.fr >> Version: 2013.0.3469 / Base de donnees virale: 3722/7495 - Date: >> 14/05/2014 >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Hans, Yes I think that has a lot to do with the similarities between shwovish and Pennsylvania Dutch.. The fact that they are basically unchanged from 200 years ago.. -----Original Message----- From: "Hans Kopp" <hanskopp.anni@yahoo.com> Sent: ‎5/‎15/‎2014 11:49 AM To: "joepsotka@gmail.com" <joepsotka@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Pennsylvania Dutch and Donauschwaben Since we have Holmes county about 80 miles from here we travel to the Amish country every year. They are master furniture craftsman. My son purchased all his furniture from them. They ship them as well. In his case Cincinnati. The Amish I was told do have 4 main dialects. One of them a man from the Lake Constance region a language professor who was visiting here determined it was a Allamia-Badisch dialect after we had a conversation with a group. A carpenter at the home an flower show in Cleveland spoke to us in a very schwowisch dialect and I had to bring him an article I wrote about that part of German history. I have determined, that the dialect he spoke and our Donauschwaben dialect had many common words. After all we have to assume that their dialect and our have not changed that much over the 250 years. In other words there is a bit history of language study we can do how our ancestor may have spoken. Hans On Thursday, May 15, 2014 11:00 AM, "joepsotka@gmail.com" <joepsotka@gmail.com> wrote: For those of you who can read Shwovish, I highly recommend a site by Helen Alba. Like the Pennsylvania Dutch site it is called “von iwerdriwer” which roughly means ‘from over there” although it literally says “from across across”. Alba gives a nice cross section of Shwovish wit and humor and everyday life. http://www.lenauheim.de/vdr.html Alba’s brand of Shwovish is almost as different from my Kerneierish (Kernei Shwovish) as Pennsylvania Dutch is. In fact since my Shwenglish is closer to Pennsylvania Dutch, I can understand the Amish much more easily. Sent from Windows Mail From: Eve Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎May‎ ‎15‎, ‎2014 ‎9‎:‎28‎ ‎AM To: Lotte Devlin Cc: dvhh Lotte, I'm inclined to agree with you, but this is simply from a tour I did when we were in Hershey, Penn. The founder (Milton S. Hershey) was PD if I'm recalling correctly (Mennonite). I got quite a kick out of the info on this tour - and remember how my mom said that was the biggest deal - getting a Hershey Choc. Bar from the American Red Cross when they were refugees in Austria. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message