1. Re: Travel to Krajisnik or Torschau (Savino Selo)? (Manfred Roux) 2. What town is "Gara" (Raymond Reu) 3. Oppova (Eve) 1. Re: Travel to Krajisnik or Torschau (Savino Selo)? (Manfred Roux) Traveling to Belgrade and then visiting by car is the best option. If you want or need any documents from the municipal offices you have to visit during work week and operating hours in the morning. Best if you are announced and they have prepared the records you need. For visiting the parish priest and/or obtaining records from the church you need to find out which parish nowadays is administering the villages and where the records are located. Roman Catholic Church records and contact you will need the church office in Kula. For Reformed/Evangelical Church records I have to check but you will need to go to either Vrbas or Novi Sad. Price of these documents will vary but none should cost more that 10 euros per document if you guide manages to cut through the red tape of obtaining them on behalf of foreign citizens. Churches usually have a minimum fee set and a small donation directed at your ancestral parish would be customary. Plan to have your meals in larger towns because you will be visiting small villages and only if you are lucky there will be more than a half-decent bakery or a local pub to eat in. Local people will be the best help if you are looking for a specific house or other locations or help with finding ancestral graves in the cemeteries. Make sure that you network in advance a meeting with a village historian ( every village has one) or anyone who can help the most. Given the area you are visiting, if you have an interpreter try to find a bilingual Hungarian/Serbian speaker because you will probably make use of both of these languages. In any case getting an interpreter is recommended - you will most probably bump into people who speak English or German but the amount and quality of information would be limited. Have all your travel documents with you, and drive safely and respecting the speed limits - rental cars have a special set of number plates that make them "more visible" to the traffic police patrols. Prepare a printed booklet with your family history and photographs and if you can, have a copy or two that you can leave with the priest or anyone who could help you in the future. If you need any assistance or more information feel free to contact me, I will be in that region of Serbia until the school year starts in September. 2. What town is "Gara" (Raymond Reu) Gara is a village in Hungary close to border with Serbia, part of former Bács-Bodrog megye ( county). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gara,_Hungary I checked the Roman Catholic Church records for Gara and George FALTYUM born on November 25th 1853 is listed as legitimate child of Andreas Faltyum and Catharina Heifer, Roman Catholics, free citizens, with residence in Gara village, household number 32. Parents of Jozef VALTHUM, born in Ridjica village in 1845. are listed as residents of Ridjica, and for any link between the two families you will have to dig through the records in both of these villages and locate earlier records of interest. *** Jugoslava Ilankovic "Rodoslovlje" Serbian Genealogy Society www.rodoslovlje.com

Hi Ray, Gara is a village cca 10 km North from Gakowa. The present Hungarian-Serbian border is just between the 2 villages. BR László 2014-07-30 3:20 GMT+02:00 Raymond Reu via < donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com>: > Hello all, > > Can anyone tell me what "Gara" might be short for. > > Looking for information on: > Georg FaltumBorn 25 Nov 1853, in "Gara" > Married to Elizabeth Tittl in Gakowa. His children are born in Gakowa, and > also his father is Andreas Faltum, who is not listed in the Gakowa book. > > Probably related are Josef Falltum b. 20.12.1845 in Rig. (Rigiza, near > Sombor). Josef's father list listed as Josef Valthum. (Surname could also > probably be Walthum or the like.) > > Thanks, > > Ray > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

See Gara listed in the DVHH Batschka village index: http://www.dvhh.org/batschka/village/index.htm#G and from Wikipedia: "The village is first mentioned in a 1290 document. The name is derived from the Garai family name. The most commonly accepted theory claims that the word Gara originates from a Slavic word meaning hill. (The original village was situated on a small hill, at a distance of 4 kilometers from its current location.)" Beth Tolfree -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Reu via Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 6:21 PM To: DVHH Mail List Subject: [DVHH] What town is "Gara" Hello all, Can anyone tell me what "Gara" might be short for. Looking for information on: Georg FaltumBorn 25 Nov 1853, in "Gara" Married to Elizabeth Tittl in Gakowa. His children are born in Gakowa, and also his father is Andreas Faltum, who is not listed in the Gakowa book. Probably related are Josef Falltum b. 20.12.1845 in Rig. (Rigiza, near Sombor). Josef's father list listed as Josef Valthum.  (Surname could also probably be Walthum or the like.) Thanks, Ray ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have just found this - perhaps most of you already know, but of great interest if you have family that immigrated to Brazil. There is a photo of the individuals - that for some could be quite a thrill. This link takes you to my personal family search so simply put your own surname search in and see what you might find in these records. https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3ADautermann~%20%2Bresidence_place%3ABrazil~&collection_id=1932363 Eve -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

Is there anyone with access to the Oppova church records or digital records? I'm looking for a death record for Thomas Sklena born Abt. 1726 or his wife Katharina. Eve -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

Hello all, Can anyone tell me what "Gara" might be short for. Looking for information on: Georg FaltumBorn 25 Nov 1853, in "Gara" Married to Elizabeth Tittl in Gakowa. His children are born in Gakowa, and also his father is Andreas Faltum, who is not listed in the Gakowa book. Probably related are Josef Falltum b. 20.12.1845 in Rig. (Rigiza, near Sombor). Josef's father list listed as Josef Valthum.  (Surname could also probably be Walthum or the like.) Thanks, Ray

Hi, Linda, We travelled to Ravno Selo (Schowe) just last month. We flew into Belgrade, and since our plane arrived after 10 pm we took a cab to Belgrade (cost about 20 USD) and stayed in the city at the Life Design Hotel http://www.lifedesignhotel.rs/ which was fine. Next morning we picked up our rental car at the airport and drove to Ravno Selo, about 100km, one hour driving time. In the evening we returned to Novi Sad, which is only 40km and a thirty minutes drive from Ravno Selo. There we stayed at the Hotel Centar http://www.hotel-centar.rs/ which was fine too. I can recommend both hotels. If you need further information, please contact me. Manfred Manfred Roux Hohenzollernstr 60 71067 Sindelfingen Tel.: 07031 804594 Fax : 03212 1232800 Mob: 0176 38003026 -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] Im Auftrag von Linda Kuhnz via Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Juli 2014 06:22 An: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Betreff: [DVHH] Travel to Krajisnik or Torschau (Savino Selo)? Has anyone traveled to Krajisnik or Torschau (Savino Selo)? I'd like to visit these two villages. It looks like flying into Belgrade would be the way to go. Does anyone have advice about transportation and lodging in the region? Thanks, Linda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

G'day, I have a question about the Deutsche Afrika Korps and am asking if anyone is familiar with it. I am looking for my family and I have recently discovered my Oppa Franz Kaiser was drafted in 1941 from his home town Gr Betschkerek. He was 17 when he was drafted and was sent to Africa. Later he was sent to Egypt as POW and then returned to Wolfsegg, Austria (not sure when or the time frames). He worked in Vocklabruck building the Flukolager after 1948. I have photos taken in 1941 in Afrika then nothing until his wedding in 1948. I also have photos of the Flukolager being built. My question is does any one know how I find out the information of the men who were sent to AfrikaKorps from Gr. Betschkerek? I am wondering if my Oppa's brothers may have been sent at a later date. Their names are Stephan, Nikolaus and Mathias Kaiser. I am desperate to find my great uncles as they are the only link left in my family that may be alive. I know my family was in Gr Betschkerek at least until the death of my great grandmother Magdalena (Gangl) Kaiser in November 1944. Her husband (Nikolaus Kaiser) was last known to be in Steyr in 1948 but I am not sure if he was with his sons and youngest child Elisabeth Stephania Kaiser (she would have been about 13 or 14 years old at the time). He was at my Oppa's wedding in 1948 but I have no information on who survived and who didn't. I am looking for descendants and hope you can help re-unite me with my lost family. Any help with any information or insight to Banaters in the Afrika Korps would be greatly appreciated. I can be reached by email akaiser@gordontafe.edu.au Kind regards from Australia Mandy Kaiser This message is confidential and may contain proprietary or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of the email or any part thereof (including any attachment), is prohibited and you should notify the sender and delete this email immediately. To the fullest extent permitted by law the Gordon accepts no liability for any loss or damage which may result from your receipt of this message or any attachments.

Dear Mandy, i'm afraid, I can't hep you. But in Berlin, there's an office called "Deutsche Dienststelle WASt", which stores old records and files of the German Wehrmacht. Here's the link: http://www.dd-wast.de/ You have to be patient with the answer, for it might take 9 to 12 months till you get one. So be sure to ask for any data available, especially for the military career of your grandfather including the places he was based at. Talking about other relatives apart from your grandpa you might get no satisfying answer for privacy reasons because you are not a directly descendant of them. But maybe you are lucky. Be sure to have personal data available such asdate an place of birth etc.. They will charge you depending on the amount of data they find. But that should be in about 20 Euros. By the way, Mandy, please note, that Banaters from the Romanian part of the Banat were mostly drafted in 1943, at a time when the Afrika Korps was already destroyed. So apart from some exceptions there was no chance for the Romanian Banaters to see Africa. So your search can be most likely limited to the Yugoslavian Banat. For any further questions please feel free to ask. Kind regards Bernd Gesendet: Montag, 28. Juli 2014 um 07:49 Uhr Von: "Amanda Kaiser via" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> An: "donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Betreff: [DVHH] Banaters & Afrika Korps G'day, I have a question about the Deutsche Afrika Korps and am asking if anyone is familiar with it. I am looking for my family and I have recently discovered my Oppa Franz Kaiser was drafted in 1941 from his home town Gr Betschkerek. He was 17 when he was drafted and was sent to Africa. Later he was sent to Egypt as POW and then returned to Wolfsegg, Austria (not sure when or the time frames). He worked in Vocklabruck building the Flukolager after 1948. I have photos taken in 1941 in Afrika then nothing until his wedding in 1948. I also have photos of the Flukolager being built. My question is does any one know how I find out the information of the men who were sent to AfrikaKorps from Gr. Betschkerek? I am wondering if my Oppa's brothers may have been sent at a later date. Their names are Stephan, Nikolaus and Mathias Kaiser. I am desperate to find my great uncles as they are the only link left in my family that may be alive. I know my family was in Gr Betschkerek at least until the death of my great grandmother Magdalena (Gangl) Kaiser in November 1944. Her husband (Nikolaus Kaiser) was last known to be in Steyr in 1948 but I am not sure if he was with his sons and youngest child Elisabeth Stephania Kaiser (she would have been about 13 or 14 years old at the time). He was at my Oppa's wedding in 1948 but I have no information on who survived and who didn't. I am looking for descendants and hope you can help re-unite me with my lost family. Any help with any information or insight to Banaters in the Afrika Korps would be greatly appreciated. I can be reached by email akaiser@gordontafe.edu.au Kind regards from Australia Mandy Kaiser This message is confidential and may contain proprietary or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of the email or any part thereof (including any attachment), is prohibited and you should notify the sender and delete this email immediately. To the fullest extent permitted by law the Gordon accepts no liability for any loss or damage which may result from your receipt of this message or any attachments. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Mandy, I've just come across an article that might be of interest : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrika_Korps Some of the German prisoners also were sent to Canada, not only to the U.S., as per a related document in French language. Cheers! Tina Michel, Montreal, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda Kaiser via" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> To: <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 1:49 AM Subject: [DVHH] Banaters & Afrika Korps > > G'day, > I have a question about the Deutsche Afrika Korps and am asking if anyone > is familiar with it. I am looking for my family and I have recently > discovered my Oppa Franz Kaiser was drafted in 1941 from his home town Gr > Betschkerek. He was 17 when he was drafted and was sent to Africa. Later > he was sent to Egypt as POW and then returned to Wolfsegg, Austria (not > sure when or the time frames). He worked in Vocklabruck building the > Flukolager after 1948. I have photos taken in 1941 in Afrika then nothing > until his wedding in 1948. I also have photos of the Flukolager being > built. > > My question is does any one know how I find out the information of the men > who were sent to AfrikaKorps from Gr. Betschkerek? I am wondering if my > Oppa's brothers may have been sent at a later date. Their names are > Stephan, Nikolaus and Mathias Kaiser. I am desperate to find my great > uncles as they are the only link left in my family that may be alive. > > I know my family was in Gr Betschkerek at least until the death of my > great grandmother Magdalena (Gangl) Kaiser in November 1944. Her husband > (Nikolaus Kaiser) was last known to be in Steyr in 1948 but I am not sure > if he was with his sons and youngest child Elisabeth Stephania Kaiser (she > would have been about 13 or 14 years old at the time). He was at my Oppa's > wedding in 1948 but I have no information on who survived and who didn't. > I am looking for descendants and hope you can help re-unite me with my > lost family. > > Any help with any information or insight to Banaters in the Afrika Korps > would be greatly appreciated. > > I can be reached by email akaiser@gordontafe.edu.au > Kind regards from Australia > Mandy Kaiser > > > This message is confidential and may contain proprietary or legally > privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this > email, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of the email or > any part thereof (including any attachment), is prohibited and you should > notify the sender and delete this email immediately. To the fullest > extent permitted by law the Gordon accepts no liability for any loss or > damage which may result from your receipt of this message or any > attachments. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ----- > Aucun virus trouve dans ce message. > Analyse effectuee par AVG - www.avg.fr > Version: 2013.0.3485 / Base de donnees virale: 3955/7936 - Date: > 28/07/2014 >

Hello friends of the community. I am familiar grandson of Tauss Stefan My family told he was in Bosnia with the family and in 1942 moved to Stuttgart and then enlisted to fight on the Eastern Front for the German troops. He survived the war and was taken to prison in Lodze, I think in Poland. Can you help me? have some information about it? Thanks and as always I leave a big greeting from Argentina. Tauss, Christian

I have found your posts very interesting and useful for the margert-logel-grunzweig branch of my husband's family. I am absolute stuck, however, trying to find any reliable information regarding the Koeppl, Koppl or Köppl branch. I understand that a Georg Koeppl or George Koeppl born in 1905 emigrated to US and married a Helene Margert in the US. Georg's father is listed as Christoph on the ship manifest, but Christoph is not listed as a passenger. I can find no birth records, death records, marriage records for Christoph or any variation of that name. Family information is scarce but suggests that the Koeppls lived in Bavaria near Teisnach. I apologize that this is not a Banat location, but I am asking for anyone's assistance in identifying additional information regarding Christoph Koppl. Thank you. Gina Krehbiel Koeppl

Hello, My name is Cheryl Oberkirsch. I am looking for information on the Peter Oberkirsch family of Sackelhausen. Peter was born 8 July, 1800 in Sackelhausen and died 9 February, 1848. He is the son of Peter Oberkirsch and Angela Gross. He married Anna Maria Wagner born 18 July, 1801 in Sackelhausen and died 14 December, 1862. She is the daughter of Mathias Wagner and Margaretha Muller. Thank you for your consideration in this matter. Cheryl Oberkirsch

Jeff, Thank you very much! Everything matches with my previous research. Clearly I will need to get a copy of that second book. One copy of the first book exists in the Family History Library of the Mormon Church in Salt Lake City. It may even be that I am related to the author! Ralph On Jul 22, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Jeff Rau <jrau2@cox.net> wrote: > Ralph, > > There are two family books for Kischker. One is the Noee book that you > referenced (no longer available) and the other is "Ortsfamilienbuch Kischker > in der Batschka 1786-1944" by Erich Gerber (which is available from the > author). > > Here is the info on your great grandfather: > > MOHR, Carl (ev.) Eltern: M., Carl u. FRIEB, Katharina Elisabetha (5461 .4) > *um 1 844 in Kischker. Beruf: Tagelohner in Kischker. oo am 06.01 .1867 in > Kischker. mit NOEE, Margaretha (ev.) Eltern: N., Adam u. > BEINTNER, Margaretha (57 a1 .1) *um 1846 in Kischker. > > Kinder > 1. Karl (ev.) *am 14.11.1866 in Kischker. oo? mit Karolina FAUST (5480) > 2. Adam (ev.) am 16.08.1868 in Kischker. + am 08.1 1 .1 BGB in Kischker. > 3. Margaretha (ev.) * am 07.09.1869 in Kischker. + am 02.10.1869 in > Kischker. > 4. Theresia (ev.) * am 17.01.1871 in Kischker. > 5. Paul (ev.) *am11.02.1873 in Kischker. > 6. Christina (ev.) *am 05.03.1875 in Kischker. > 7. Christian (ev.) *am 18.06.1877 in Kischker. > 8. Jakob (ev.) * am 19.08.1879 in Kischker. > > Best Wishes, > Jeff > > > -----Original Message----- > From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ralph > Pantozzi via > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 7:56 PM > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DVHH] Kisker and Osivacz (Siwatz) - Lookup? > > Hello! > > I have recently found the birthplaces of my ancestors with the help of the > DVHH site. Thank you! > > My great-grandmother, Sofia Mayor (Meier?) was born 31 March 1883 in > Osviacz, along with her sister, Margareta, 5 Oct 1875, to parents Phillip > Mayor and Barbara Lamm (Lamb?) > > I am hoping there may be information on this family in Ortssippenbuch > Siwatz, Batschka : 1786 - 1944 by Hans Kunz. > > My great-grandfather Jakob Mohr, was born 17 Aug 1879 in Kisker, along with > brothers Christian (1877) and Karl (15 Nov 1866) to parents Karl (Dragutin?) > Mohr (born 1845) and Margareta Noi (Noe, Noll, Noy?) born 1850. > > I am also hoping there might be a reference to this family in Kiskér -- > Kischkeer Batschka : Menschen und Familien 1786 - 1944, Georg Philipp Noee. > > Ralph Pantozzi > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ralph, There are two family books for Kischker. One is the Noee book that you referenced (no longer available) and the other is "Ortsfamilienbuch Kischker in der Batschka 1786-1944" by Erich Gerber (which is available from the author). Here is the info on your great grandfather: MOHR, Carl (ev.) Eltern: M., Carl u. FRIEB, Katharina Elisabetha (5461 .4) *um 1 844 in Kischker. Beruf: Tagelohner in Kischker. oo am 06.01 .1867 in Kischker. mit NOEE, Margaretha (ev.) Eltern: N., Adam u. BEINTNER, Margaretha (57 a1 .1) *um 1846 in Kischker. Kinder 1. Karl (ev.) *am 14.11.1866 in Kischker. oo? mit Karolina FAUST (5480) 2. Adam (ev.) am 16.08.1868 in Kischker. + am 08.1 1 .1 BGB in Kischker. 3. Margaretha (ev.) * am 07.09.1869 in Kischker. + am 02.10.1869 in Kischker. 4. Theresia (ev.) * am 17.01.1871 in Kischker. 5. Paul (ev.) *am11.02.1873 in Kischker. 6. Christina (ev.) *am 05.03.1875 in Kischker. 7. Christian (ev.) *am 18.06.1877 in Kischker. 8. Jakob (ev.) * am 19.08.1879 in Kischker. Best Wishes, Jeff -----Original Message----- From: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ralph Pantozzi via Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 7:56 PM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] Kisker and Osivacz (Siwatz) - Lookup? Hello! I have recently found the birthplaces of my ancestors with the help of the DVHH site. Thank you! My great-grandmother, Sofia Mayor (Meier?) was born 31 March 1883 in Osviacz, along with her sister, Margareta, 5 Oct 1875, to parents Phillip Mayor and Barbara Lamm (Lamb?) I am hoping there may be information on this family in Ortssippenbuch Siwatz, Batschka : 1786 - 1944 by Hans Kunz. My great-grandfather Jakob Mohr, was born 17 Aug 1879 in Kisker, along with brothers Christian (1877) and Karl (15 Nov 1866) to parents Karl (Dragutin?) Mohr (born 1845) and Margareta Noi (Noe, Noll, Noy?) born 1850. I am also hoping there might be a reference to this family in Kiskér -- Kischkeer Batschka : Menschen und Familien 1786 - 1944, Georg Philipp Noee. Ralph Pantozzi ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello! I have recently found the birthplaces of my ancestors with the help of the DVHH site. Thank you! My great-grandmother, Sofia Mayor (Meier?) was born 31 March 1883 in Osviacz, along with her sister, Margareta, 5 Oct 1875, to parents Phillip Mayor and Barbara Lamm (Lamb?) I am hoping there may be information on this family in Ortssippenbuch Siwatz, Batschka : 1786 - 1944 by Hans Kunz. My great-grandfather Jakob Mohr, was born 17 Aug 1879 in Kisker, along with brothers Christian (1877) and Karl (15 Nov 1866) to parents Karl (Dragutin?) Mohr (born 1845) and Margareta Noi (Noe, Noll, Noy?) born 1850. I am also hoping there might be a reference to this family in Kiskér -- Kischkeer Batschka : Menschen und Familien 1786 - 1944, Georg Philipp Noee. Ralph Pantozzi

Hi, Ray, Glad you jumped in on the conversation. Every little bit of info is always very helpful. Thanks, Barb D. -----Original Message----- From: RAY19136 via Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 9:39 PM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Fwd: Area's after world war one the empire collapsed. it officially ended with the various treaties that were signed afterwards. But they were just confirming the fact In a message dated 07/21/2014 07:26:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, capehatreal@yahoo.com writes: I like to jump into the conversation and say that my parents came from Temeswar and always said we were German Hungarians although I know of no one other than Swobs in our blood line for 12 generations which I was Abel to trace with the help of the list Of course that is after WW1 I also would like to know exactly when did the Austrian Hungarian empire break into other nations. Frank Jakob Cape Coral Florida > On Jul 21, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Barb D via <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > No they are all around Temeswar. I think more towards the middle of the > country. I think that Transv was a little further north east. > But I,m not sure! > Thanks for the info. > Barb D > -----Original Message----- > From: RAY19136 via > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 5:24 PM > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DVHH] Fwd: Area's > > > your grandparents could be correct. Transylvania (Seibenbergen) was part of > the Habsburg Empire. It was taken from Hungary and given to Romania as a > reward for fighting on the Allied side during WW1. Are these villages in > Transylvania? Many of the towns there had a large ethnic german population. > > > ____________________________________ > From: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Reply-to: bbd2424@gmail.com > To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Sent: 07/21/2014 05:37:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time > Subj: [DVHH] Area's > > > Hi, > Can someone explain what year Gottlob, Deutsch St.Michael, Wojteg, > Wiseschdia, went from being Austria –Hungary to Romania. > Some of these towns when I enter them into my family tree give me an > option of Torontal or Timmis and I need to know how to decide. > Also my grandparents, would say they were from Austria-Hungary, but I > think that when they came to the states they were really in Romania and all > their papers say Romania. > One more question. When my grandparents and their friends would talk they > always would refer to Zillasch everyonewhy would they call it that when it > was really DSM. Does anyone have any info on Zillasch (Sillash etc.) > Thanks any & everyone who can help, > Barb D. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Anne for the info. -----Original Message----- From: Anne Dreer via Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 7:28 PM To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] Salasch Hello Barb, Salasch refers to a field away from the village that usually had some sort of barn or building on it. My grandfather had a large flock of sheep and the man that tended them would stay on the salasch for the summer. I know of one DS family who after they were expropriated from their house in used someone’s salasch as temporary place to live. Anne D. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dan, Thanks for you quick reply, it is very helpful. Thanks, Barb D -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Sedley Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 6:58 PM To: Barb D Cc: DVHH Subject: Re: [DVHH] Area's Hi Barb, The Treaty of Trianon, signed on June 4, 1920 eliminated the existence of Austria-Hungary. It was a result of WWI. Many of our ancestors thus became subjects of newly created nations, including Romania. If your grandparents emigrated after that date, the papers would likely show Romania, even though they were originally residents of the Banat, part of Austria-Hungary. I don't have the exact site right now, but I have found good maps on Internet searches, showing which villages were in Torontal County or Temes County. Due to previous research, I am sure that Gottlob was in Torontal County and Deutsch Sankt Michael was in Temes County. All the best. Dan S. On Jul 21, 2014, at 5:35 PM, Barb D via <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi, > Can someone explain what year Gottlob, Deutsch St.Michael, Wojteg, > Wiseschdia, went from being Austria –Hungary to Romania. > Some of these towns when I enter them into my family tree give me an > option of Torontal or Timmis and I need to know how to decide. > Also my grandparents, would say they were from Austria-Hungary, but I > think that when they came to the states they were really in Romania and > all their papers say Romania. > One more question. When my grandparents and their friends would talk they > always would refer to Zillasch everyonewhy would they call it that when it > was really DSM. Does anyone have any info on Zillasch (Sillash etc.) > Thanks any & everyone who can help, > Barb D. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Excuse me if I correct your spelling: The area in Romania was called "Siebenbürgen". And you are right, the borders were changed post-WWI when the Austrian empire was reduced to what it is today. Manfred Roux 71067 Sindelfingen -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:donauschwaben-villages-bounces@rootsweb.com] Im Auftrag von RAY19136 via Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Juli 2014 00:25 An: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Betreff: [DVHH] Fwd: Area's your grandparents could be correct. Transylvania (Seibenbergen) was part of the Habsburg Empire. It was taken from Hungary and given to Romania as a reward for fighting on the Allied side during WW1. Are these villages in Transylvania? Many of the towns there had a large ethnic german population. ____________________________________ From: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Reply-to: bbd2424@gmail.com To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Sent: 07/21/2014 05:37:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: [DVHH] Area's Hi, Can someone explain what year Gottlob, Deutsch St.Michael, Wojteg, Wiseschdia, went from being Austria –Hungary to Romania. Some of these towns when I enter them into my family tree give me an option of Torontal or Timmis and I need to know how to decide. Also my grandparents, would say they were from Austria-Hungary, but I think that when they came to the states they were really in Romania and all their papers say Romania. One more question. When my grandparents and their friends would talk they always would refer to Zillasch everyonewhy would they call it that when it was really DSM. Does anyone have any info on Zillasch (Sillash etc.) Thanks any & everyone who can help, Barb D. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message