Looking for information/records for the EHRLICH family from Archita/Arkeden. Thanks, Jon Neumann

Eileen: Do you know Grandma Weinfurtner made Pumpkin strudel. I wonder if Sharee would have that recipe. Tom, my brother, really loved Grandma's strudel. Dave ---- Eileen via <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Sorry to be sending this to the list, but I promised Henry Fischer I would send him the information about this fabulous place that I found in Markham, just north of Toronto. Had cheese strudel this afternoon and also had the chicken paprikash earlier this week. Wonderful, and I can't wait for my next visit. Takeout only at lunch on Wednesdays and Thursdays. > http://www.amcatering.ca/ > I don't have Henry's email address, so am sending to this list. Hopefully, others in the Toronto area will be able to enjoy all they have to offer. > Eileen > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry to be sending this to the list, but I promised Henry Fischer I would send him the information about this fabulous place that I found in Markham, just north of Toronto. Had cheese strudel this afternoon and also had the chicken paprikash earlier this week. Wonderful, and I can't wait for my next visit. Takeout only at lunch on Wednesdays and Thursdays. http://www.amcatering.ca/ I don't have Henry's email address, so am sending to this list. Hopefully, others in the Toronto area will be able to enjoy all they have to offer. Eileen

For those who may have missed other posts: This year Stasa Cvetkovic, a well known genealogy researcher and tour guide from Novi Sad, Serbia will be at the Mt Angel, Oregon Treffen. This will be an excellent opportunity to meet Stasa in person to discuss research in the Banat and Batschka or possible travel to those areas. Mt Angel Treffen website: http://danube-swabians.org/MtAngel/ Ray Borschowa

Hi Helga, I would love to read any story you submit, long or short! Dan -----Original Message----- >From: Helga <kandhkiely@rogers.com> >Sent: Aug 21, 2014 2:22 PM >To: Dan Larson <schwob@earthlink.net>, DVHH Mail List <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [DVHH] DVHH Story Contest (members only) > >Dan: > >Great idea! I have for sometime now been thinking about writing a few >things that just might be interesting to a few people, but then I though I >was over stepping the boundary and almost emailed Eve Brown to for her >opinion. I would love to hear a few stories and can tell a few stories >myself. I don't want to enter the contest because I do not want to >submit a few stories on that basis. But I think back of things that >happened and would like to share some of these stories and at the same time >hear others. > >Looking forward to it! > >Helga Kiely > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dan Larson via >Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:18 PM >To: DVHH Mail List >Subject: Re: [DVHH] DVHH Story Contest (members only) > >Hi everyone, > >In this year's DVHH Newsletter I announced a contest open to DVHH members. >The challenge is to write a short story about your Donauschwaben family >history or heritage limited to 2,500 words. There is no lower limit - if >you can tell a great story in one paragraph, it will be accepted.With >the upper word limit in mind, you might want to focus on one aspect of >your life, or perhaps a story passed on to you.Your story will be >published on the DVHH.org website and one story will be selected to be >published in next year's newsletter.You can email your stories to me at >Schwob@earthlink.net. I look forward to hearing from you! > >If you are not a member and would like to know more, please visit the >DVHH.org membership page at > >http://www.dvhh.org/membership/ > >Best regards, > >Dan Larson >DVHH President > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is for dues paying members of the DVHH. Thanks for the question! Dan -----Original Message----- From: Eve Sent: Aug 22, 2014 9:00 AM To: Dan Larson Cc: DVHH Mail List Subject: Re: [DVHH] DVHH Story Contest (members only) Dan, Can we clarify here what "members only" means? Are we talking mail list members (actually subscribers), or DVHH members that pay annual dues? Just thought this may be confusing to some. Eve On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Dan Larson via < donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > In this year's DVHH Newsletter I announced a contest open to DVHH members. > The challenge is to write a short story about your Donauschwaben family > history or heritage limited to 2,500 words. There is no lower limit - if > you can tell a great story in one paragraph, it will be accepted.With > the upper word limit in mind, you might want to focus on one aspect of > your life, or perhaps a story passed on to you.Your story will be > published on the DVHH.org website and one story will be selected to be > published in next year's newsletter.You can email your stories to me at > Schwob@earthlink.net. I look forward to hearing from you! > > If you are not a member and would like to know more, please visit the > DVHH.org membership page at > > http://www.dvhh.org/membership/ > > Best regards, > > Dan Larson > DVHH President > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

Linda and Helga I'm adding the mail list to this discussion - the reason I asked this question is for this very reason and I'm sure you are not the only ones with questions. To belong to the mail list there is never any fee! I want to make that perfectly clear. This area is confusing for many people and I would rather discuss it on the mail list for all to be answered than to send out a dozen separate emails to everyone - I'm sorry if that's a problem for some of you, but makes life easier for me that's for sure. Here is the information for becoming a member of the DVHH (and Jeff Rau might be able to add something to this also) http://www.dvhh.org/membership/ I hope if anyone questions this they will please send to the mail list as I will not be available for a week. I'm sure Roy, Dan, Jody and/or Jeff can help any of you with your questions here. Eve On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Linda Bautz McKenna <famline@embarqmail.com > wrote: > hmmm, I've not paid any annual dues.....where does that leave me in > relationship to dvhh membership/coordinator Kowatschi & Mansfield, ohio > archivist > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve via" <donauschwaben-villages@ > rootsweb.com> > To: "Dan Larson" <schwob@earthlink.net> > Cc: "DVHH Mail List" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 9:00 AM > > Subject: Re: [DVHH] DVHH Story Contest (members only) > > > Dan, >> >> Can we clarify here what "members only" means? Are we talking mail list >> members (actually subscribers), or DVHH members that pay annual dues? >> >> Just thought this may be confusing to some. >> >> Eve >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Dan Larson via < >> donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >>> >>> In this year's DVHH Newsletter I announced a contest open to DVHH >>> members. >>> The challenge is to write a short story about your Donauschwaben family >>> history or heritage limited to 2,500 words. There is no lower limit - if >>> you can tell a great story in one paragraph, it will be accepted.With >>> the upper word limit in mind, you might want to focus on one aspect of >>> your life, or perhaps a story passed on to you.Your story will be >>> published on the DVHH.org website and one story will be selected to be >>> published in next year's newsletter.You can email your stories to me at >>> Schwob@earthlink.net. I look forward to hearing from you! >>> >>> If you are not a member and would like to know more, please visit the >>> DVHH.org membership page at >>> >>> http://www.dvhh.org/membership/ >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Dan Larson >>> DVHH President >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Syrmia Regional Coordinator >> http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

Dan, Can we clarify here what "members only" means? Are we talking mail list members (actually subscribers), or DVHH members that pay annual dues? Just thought this may be confusing to some. Eve On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Dan Larson via < donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > In this year's DVHH Newsletter I announced a contest open to DVHH members. > The challenge is to write a short story about your Donauschwaben family > history or heritage limited to 2,500 words. There is no lower limit - if > you can tell a great story in one paragraph, it will be accepted.With > the upper word limit in mind, you might want to focus on one aspect of > your life, or perhaps a story passed on to you.Your story will be > published on the DVHH.org website and one story will be selected to be > published in next year's newsletter.You can email your stories to me at > Schwob@earthlink.net. I look forward to hearing from you! > > If you are not a member and would like to know more, please visit the > DVHH.org membership page at > > http://www.dvhh.org/membership/ > > Best regards, > > Dan Larson > DVHH President > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

Darlene, sorry it took me so long to respond! Thanks for all your research and efforts. Parallel to our discussion I also contacted the Cleveland Hetzel clan via a contact provided by Ludwig Keck and I did get a first response. I do not know yet how and if the two, Johann Hetzel (the respondent) and Ludwig Hetzel were related, but at least it is a first contact. I'll follow that trail but my expectations are limited by now: Ludwig Hetzel apparently was raised by his older sister because his parents had died early. May be I'll find some traces in church records of Schowe, if I go back. We will see. If I can be of any help locally, please let me know. In any event, thank you very much for your persistence and your help in all of this! Manfred Roux -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Darlene Dimitrie [mailto:fon.ladee@cogeco.ca] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. August 2014 04:57 An: Manfred Roux Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: AW: AW: AW: [DVHH] Schowe: Looking for ancestors of Ludwig Hetzel Well, here's the results -- Katie talked to Adam Hetzel in Cleveland. He is 80 years old and from Neu Schowe. He remembers Ludwig Hetzel, but believes that he is not related to Ludwig. Katie also said that Adam's memory seems to be failing, so she wasn't sure how much info we could get for him. I tried to convince them to talk to you, but like most people who aren't into genealogy, they don't understand that often just talking might bring out little tidbits of information that help solve the puzzles. My theory is that all the Hetzels go back to that Peter born in 1760'ish with the 11 sons and that they are all related, but with all the generations following, they lost the connections between all the families, especially the ones that were not in the same towns. Sorry, I was hoping that I could help. One more thing, but this might take a while; I have a binder somewhere with photos of tombstones from Steelton, Pennsylvania (part of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania). A lot of our ancestors came to work here in the early 1900's in the steel mills. Sometimes just the men came and they went back home; sometimes the families came too and stayed. This was the first stop for many immigrants. I do remember seeing Hetzel tombstones and I took photos. Chances are that they have no connection to you, but when I find them, I will scan them and send them to you anyway, maybe they say where the people were from. If they died after 1910, the office has more info on them. I've talked to this office before looking for info, but my person died before 1910 and was probably buried in the "pauper" section, with no headstone and there are no records. I'd be interested to know if you ever do find anything substantial out about all this. I have relatives in the approximate area you are in - in Aldingen, Tuebingen, Stuttgart - all are with the last name BIERER. Others in the Nuremberg area are named FAUL. These are all people displaced in 1944, from Yugoslavia (Slavonia and Bosnia). They supposedly originally came from Emmendingen (the town, not the kreis), but I haven't been able to prove that from the church records. I hope that others on the list have written you - I think there are some from Schowe. Darlene Manfred Roux wrote: > Darlene, Thank you for your persistence! > > Manfred Roux > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Darlene Dimitrie [mailto:fon.ladee@cogeco.ca] > Gesendet: Freitag, 1. August 2014 22:12 > An: Manfred Roux > Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: AW: AW: [DVHH] Schowe: Looking for ancestors > of Ludwig Hetzel > > If I don't hear from Kathi in a week or so, I'll call and remind her. > Darlene > > Manfred Roux wrote: >> Hallo, Darlene, >> >> Thank you very much for your efforts. I also believe that these >> families are probably not directly related, but there lived a lot of > >> Hetzels in Schowe; most of them lived indeed in Neu-Schowe which is >> just another part of the same village. Anyway, thanks, and I will be > >> looking towards contacts in Cleveland who hopefully are more closely > >> related. >> >> Manfred Roux >> 71067 Sindelfingen >> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Darlene Dimitrie [mailto:fon.ladee@cogeco.ca] >> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Juli 2014 01:55 >> An: Manfred Roux >> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: AW: [DVHH] Schowe: Looking for ancestors of > >> Ludwig Hetzel >> >> Oops, got that slightly wrong - it wasn't the bands who were thought > >> not to be related, >> >> It was the two Hetzel lines - the one that Jacob Hetzel is from and >> the other one that his wife Katharina Febel is from. >> >> Darlene >> >> >> >> Darlene Dimitrie wrote: >>> I talked to Jack's wife today; she didn't seem to recognize any of >> the >>> names, although she did say there were 2 musical bands there from >> the >>> Hetzel family. She says that they weren't related, but I figure >> they >>> were, it probably was that it was several generations ago. Her >>> father-in-law also had a band in Germany. I'm going to read the >>> booklet again to see if it says where they lived in Germany. >>> >>> I asked her to see if Jack would talk to you on the phone; she > will, >> >>> but she also said that there is a relative named Adam Hetzel, who >>> lives in the Cleveland, Ohio area and is about 80 years old. She >>> thinks he might have more information and will contact him to see > if >> he will talk to you. >>> >>> She did say that her husband's family was from Neu Schowe, not Alt >>> Schowe, but I figure if it was like my family, we were scattered >>> throughout a number of towns that were in close proximity. >>> >>> Sorry this is taking so long, but I'm hopeful that Adam may > remember >> >>> more - he would be about 12 years older (born about 1934) than your > >>> Ludwig born in 1922. >>> >>> She also mentioned that they had been to the town in > Alsace-Lorraine >> >>> where the Hetzels originated from - it's a very pretty town near > the >> >>> Rhine and still has many German people in it, although they speak >>> French now. >>> >>> Darlene >>> >>> >>> >>> Manfred Roux wrote: >>>> Darlene, >>>> >>>> thanks very much for the wealth of information. If Jack Hetzel >> sends >>>> me his phone number, I can easily call him - long distance phone >>>> calls to North America are included in my rate. >>>> >>>> Thank you once again! >>>> Manfred >>>> >>>> Manfred Roux >>>> Hohenzollernstr 60 >>>> 71067 Sindelfingen >>>> >>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>>> Von: Darlene Dimitrie [mailto:fon.ladee@cogeco.ca] >>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Juli 2014 19:04 >>>> An: Manfred Roux >>>> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: [DVHH] Schowe: Looking for ancestors of >>>> Ludwig Hetzel >>>> >>>> Here's some of the info in the booklet - I printed out a > descendant >> >>>> chart wherever there was a LUDWIG HETZEL - however, as you can > see, >> >>>> the original Peter had a lot of sons, so there could be a lot more > >>>> LUDWIGs around. >>>> >>>> There is a Hetzel connection from both Jacob Hetzel's ancestry - >> and >>>> also from his wife Katharina Febel's ancestry - her mother was a >>>> Hetzel. >>>> >>>> Looks like your LUDWIG is not the brother of Jakob born in 1920, >> but >>>> after that there is no clear answer - >>>> 1) he could be the son of Adam Hetzel and the great-great-uncle of > >>>> Jack here in Windsor thru his mother Katharina Febel(see >> Descendants >>>> of Adam Hetzel); >>>> 2) he could be the son of George Hetzel and the great-great-uncle >> of >>>> Jack thru his father Jakob (see Descendants of George Hetzel); >>>> 3) he could be another LUDWIG elsewhere in the family tree >>>> >>>> I've also included a file of the first Peter and all his sons >>>> (Descendants of Peter Hetzel). >>>> >>>> Probably you already have this information, if you have any of the > >>>> reference books listed on the DVHH SCHOWE site. >>>> >>>> Our best bet is to be able to talk to Jack Hetzel, here in Windsor >> - >>>> I called, but they are really busy this week, but they promised to > >>>> talk to me about this next week - I'm sure they would like to >> contact >>>> you - I hope that they recognize your wife's name and her > father's; >> >>>> or have other relatives in Germany that might know something. >>>> >>>> Jack and his mother were reunited with his father in Walchshofen, >>>> Germany in 1947, after travelling around to several refugee camps >> and >>>> went to Canada in 1949. >>>> >>>> Darlene >>>> >>>> p.s. the source for the info in the booklet was Jack's Aunt Anna >>>> Hetzel and a book, published in 1961 by C. Brückner on Schowe - I >>>> suspect Jack's parents contributed info too - the booklet was >> written >>>> in 1981 as a school project >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> Darlene >> http://www.dvhh.org/membership/associates.htm#D >> http://home.cogeco.ca/~lindarlene/Index.html >> >> > > -- > Darlene > http://www.dvhh.org/membership/associates.htm#D > http://home.cogeco.ca/~lindarlene/Index.html > > -- Darlene http://www.dvhh.org/membership/associates.htm#D http://home.cogeco.ca/~lindarlene/Index.html

Volumes 3 and 4 of the Familienbuch Triebswetter are being prepared for publishing later this year. They are a continuation of volumes 1 and 2, extending coverage to the year 1900 with many entries reaching into the 1970s. They contain a total of about 1400 pages. Also included is a DVD containing a 120-page supplement to volumes 1 and 2. The price is 85 Euros, which includes packing and shipping. To help in estimating the number of books to be printed, those interested in purchasing copies are asked to contact directly wnwolf@gmx.de or Lothar-renard@web.de [Banater Post Nr13, 5. Juli 2014] Nick Tullius

Dan: Great idea! I have for sometime now been thinking about writing a few things that just might be interesting to a few people, but then I though I was over stepping the boundary and almost emailed Eve Brown to for her opinion. I would love to hear a few stories and can tell a few stories myself. I don't want to enter the contest because I do not want to submit a few stories on that basis. But I think back of things that happened and would like to share some of these stories and at the same time hear others. Looking forward to it! Helga Kiely -----Original Message----- From: Dan Larson via Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:18 PM To: DVHH Mail List Subject: Re: [DVHH] DVHH Story Contest (members only) Hi everyone, In this year's DVHH Newsletter I announced a contest open to DVHH members. The challenge is to write a short story about your Donauschwaben family history or heritage limited to 2,500 words. There is no lower limit - if you can tell a great story in one paragraph, it will be accepted.With the upper word limit in mind, you might want to focus on one aspect of your life, or perhaps a story passed on to you.Your story will be published on the DVHH.org website and one story will be selected to be published in next year's newsletter.You can email your stories to me at Schwob@earthlink.net. I look forward to hearing from you! If you are not a member and would like to know more, please visit the DVHH.org membership page at http://www.dvhh.org/membership/ Best regards, Dan Larson DVHH President ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi everyone, In this year's DVHH Newsletter I announced a contest open to DVHH members. The challenge is to write a short story about your Donauschwaben family history or heritage limited to 2,500 words. There is no lower limit - if you can tell a great story in one paragraph, it will be accepted.With the upper word limit in mind, you might want to focus on one aspect of your life, or perhaps a story passed on to you.Your story will be published on the DVHH.org website and one story will be selected to be published in next year's newsletter.You can email your stories to me at Schwob@earthlink.net. I look forward to hearing from you! If you are not a member and would like to know more, please visit the DVHH.org membership page at http://www.dvhh.org/membership/ Best regards, Dan Larson DVHH President

Karen -- Thank you for this detailed description of the museum. Now I really want to go. -- Rita Tomkins -----Original Message----- From: Karen Karbiener via <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> To: donauschwaben-villages <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, Aug 19, 2014 1:01 am Subject: [DVHH] Donauschwäbisches Zentralmuseum, Ulm Hello all, I just returned from a trip to Ulm and to the Donauschwäbisches entralmuseum, and must recommend it highly to those of you interested in isualizing what is often talked about here. The Museum is in a huge, eautiful space near Ulm's train station and the Danube itself (where there s more artwork and signage to view about Ulm's Danube Swabian roots). It s well organized, with 26 different sections (starting with stories of igrations east as early as the 12th century, and ending with a look at urope after 1989, the year marking 'the end of communist dictatorships for he nations of East Central Europe and Southeast Europe'). The sections I found most useful for my research, and most moving, were hose on Danube Swabian everyday life ("The Village: An Orderly Community"; Clothing: Mirror of the Society"; "Residential Life: Showpiece Bed and ummer Kitchen") and the sections on the "Escaped, Expelled, Diplaced" and New Citizens: Arrival and Integration." There is a complete showcase on he post-WW2 camp at Gakowa which includes photographs a song book, and the omespun clothes made by the inmates (my father and grandfather among them). The exhibition that lives with me most closely contained materials from a oal mine in the Ukraine, including postcards and letters from a woman risoner back to Yugoslavia as well as her paintings of the horror of daily ife there. She had the wherewithal to take home a piece of coal. It was erhaps the smallest item on exhibit at the Museum, but it made real and ivid all of my Oma's stories about her time spent in Luhansk. How very owerful a material item can be, in confirming and enhancing flitting emories! The Museum's Director, Christian Glass, was very welcoming and is doing a antastic job developing the public awareness of Danube Swabian history, in ermany and beyond (I first met him when he was on a lecture tour in erbia). And the gift shop has a compelling selection of books to choose rom: I brought home a photo-filled catalogue of the 2008 exhibition Heimat im Koffer," a "Dorfkochbuch" from "Katsch-Neusatz-Kai- Novi Sad, mong other treasures. http://www.dzm-museum.de/deutsch/dzm.html If you're planning a trip, I can recommend the inexpensive and clean B&B otel, which is very close to the Museum. And I must second Christian's ecommendation of restaurant Zur Forelle, where the fresh fish is utstanding and the decor tells a colorful version of our beginnings as a eople. http://www.ulmer-forelle.de/ Alles Gute! Grüße aus New York, Karen Karbiener ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Hello all, Is there a contact person in Vienna who, for a fee will look up names on the passenger lists of DS on the Ulmer Schachteln heading to the Batschka and Banat? Do they send copies of the lists for a fee? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Anne Dreer

I also recommend the "Haus der Donauschwaben" in Sindelfingen, near Stuttgart and the "Haus der Donauschwaben in Bayern" in Haar, a suburb of Munich. Sindelfingen has a museum and library and includes the offices of the AKdFF, which manages the publication of most of the Familienbucher. Haar has an excellent museum with many displays of Donauschwaben daily life. Glenn Schwartz President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Schönherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Schüssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Schwartz, Kory, Pierson/Person in Morawitza, Banat; Kalupsky/Chalupsky in Blumenthal, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. Email: gschwartz@accesscomm.ca On 19/08/2014 8:14 AM, Pam Byrne via wrote: > Karen, > > Thank you for taking the time to send this email. > > My mother and I were in Germany in June and had planned to stop there at the museum in Ulm...sadly we ran out of time and couldn't make the stop. > > I appreciate your remarks as it provides me with an idea if what is there. I hope one day I can make the trip. > > Was there any genealogical data there? > > Thanks again and I'm glad you enjoyed the visit there! > > Best, > Pamela Byrne > Great Granddaughter of Josef Schmidt and Mari Werger. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 19, 2014, at 12:56 AM, Karen Karbiener via <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> I just returned from a trip to Ulm and to the Donauschwäbisches >> Zentralmuseum, and must recommend it highly to those of you interested in >> visualizing what is often talked about here. The Museum is in a huge, >> beautiful space near Ulm's train station and the Danube itself (where there >> is more artwork and signage to view about Ulm's Danube Swabian roots). It >> is well organized, with 26 different sections (starting with stories of >> migrations east as early as the 12th century, and ending with a look at >> Europe after 1989, the year marking 'the end of communist dictatorships for >> the nations of East Central Europe and Southeast Europe'). >> >> The sections I found most useful for my research, and most moving, were >> those on Danube Swabian everyday life ("The Village: An Orderly Community"; >> "Clothing: Mirror of the Society"; "Residential Life: Showpiece Bed and >> Summer Kitchen") and the sections on the "Escaped, Expelled, Diplaced" and >> "New Citizens: Arrival and Integration." There is a complete showcase on >> the post-WW2 camp at Gakowa which includes photographs a song book, and the >> homespun clothes made by the inmates (my father and grandfather among them). >> >> The exhibition that lives with me most closely contained materials from a >> coal mine in the Ukraine, including postcards and letters from a woman >> prisoner back to Yugoslavia as well as her paintings of the horror of daily >> life there. She had the wherewithal to take home a piece of coal. It was >> perhaps the smallest item on exhibit at the Museum, but it made real and >> vivid all of my Oma's stories about her time spent in Luhansk. How very >> powerful a material item can be, in confirming and enhancing flitting >> memories! >> >> The Museum's Director, Christian Glass, was very welcoming and is doing a >> fantastic job developing the public awareness of Danube Swabian history, in >> Germany and beyond (I first met him when he was on a lecture tour in >> Serbia). And the gift shop has a compelling selection of books to choose >> from: I brought home a photo-filled catalogue of the 2008 exhibition >> "Heimat im Koffer," a "Dorfkochbuch" from "Katsch-Neusatz-Kai- Novi Sad, >> among other treasures. >> >> http://www.dzm-museum.de/deutsch/dzm.html >> >> If you're planning a trip, I can recommend the inexpensive and clean B&B >> Hotel, which is very close to the Museum. And I must second Christian's >> recommendation of restaurant Zur Forelle, where the fresh fish is >> outstanding and the decor tells a colorful version of our beginnings as a >> people. >> >> http://www.ulmer-forelle.de/ >> >> Alles Gute! Grüße aus New York, >> >> Karen Karbiener >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mandy, I haven't checked if such lists exist. But perhaps you can do a search including the words: list POW soldiers Canada and the US, you may find what you are looking for. Best to you. Tina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda Kaiser" <akaiser@gordontafe.edu.au> To: "Tina Michel" <tranpro@primus.ca> Cc: <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 5:38 PM Subject: RE: [DVHH] Banaters & Afrika Korps Hi, Are there any websites that list POW soldiers to to Canada or the US? Perhaps I could find my great uncles that way? I am looking for. .. Stephan Kaiser b : 24 June 1926 Nikolaus Kaiser b :20 May 1928 Mathias Kaiser b :10 July 1930 Elisabeth Stephania Kaiser b: 3 Nov 1934 They were all born in Groß Betschkerek and lived there at least until Nov 1944. I am trying to locate them and their families. I don't know if they married, had children or survived. Kind regards Mandy ________________________________________ From: Tina Michel [tranpro@primus.ca] Sent: Thursday, 14 August 2014 1:30 AM To: Amanda Kaiser Subject: Re: [DVHH] Banaters & Afrika Korps My pleasure. (Acts 20:35) Have a wonderful rest of the week. Tina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda Kaiser" <akaiser@gordontafe.edu.au> To: "Tina Michel" <tranpro@primus.ca> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 9:48 AM Subject: RE: [DVHH] Banaters & Afrika Korps Hey Tina, Sorry for the late reply, I've been working flat out out! Thanks heaps for the links...I will have a look/read/search. You have been so kind! Thankyou :-) Mandy ________________________________________ From: Tina Michel [tranpro@primus.ca] Sent: Wednesday, 6 August 2014 9:17 AM To: Amanda Kaiser Subject: Re: [DVHH] Banaters & Afrika Korps Dear Mandy, Try typing POW US/Canada, it may give you a few information. Otherwise I wouldn't know. http://www.traces.org/germanpows.html http://www.djcarter.ca/pow.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_prisoners_of_war_in_the_United_States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_prisoner-of-war_camps_in_the_United_States Best regards, Tina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda Kaiser" <akaiser@gordontafe.edu.au> To: "Tina Michel" <tranpro@primus.ca>; <gerbanz@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 8:33 AM Subject: RE: [DVHH] Banaters & Afrika Korps Thanks so much for the link! I have never heard of the song before. Is there any links to search for pow in the US or Canada? Most sites that have info here in Australia are blocked when it comes to any sort of nazi connection so searching Afrika Korps I seem to just get toy soldiers, tank enthusiasts and uniform collectors. Making it difficult from down here. Hope you are both well....it's freezing here! :-) Mandy ________________________________________ From: Tina Michel [tranpro@primus.ca] Sent: Friday, 1 August 2014 1:34 PM To: Amanda Kaiser; Gary Banzhaf Cc: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Banaters & Afrika Korps Mandy, This is is in regards to your question on Lili Marleen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lili_Marleen. Gary, So you may even have met my grandparents, uncle, aunt and cousins went they arrived in Ohio in the fifthies. They live in Missouri right now. Grüss Gott und noch alles Gutes, wünscht euch beide, Tina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda Kaiser via" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> To: "Gary Banzhaf" <gerbanz@gmail.com> Cc: <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [DVHH] Banaters & Afrika Korps > Yes it is very interesting! And who who is "Lili Marlen"? > > It was tabu in my family to talk about anything that happened before they > came to Australia! I didn't even know that Opa was drafted, my > grandparents had a double wedding, whether they were German, Austrian or > Yugoslav because my Oma would change her nationality to suit the > situation! I didn't even know I had family overseas until they all passed > away! I've found a whole heap of old photos hidden in a tin which for me > opened up a can of worms. With photos from Afrikakorps, local farmers with > the nazi banners all of which I have no idea of people, places or when > they were taken. > > I was as shocked as any because this was a part of my family history > hidden from me. it would be great to hear some stories like your friend > Bruno to help understand what it was like for my Opa. I know he was forced > to join Afrikakorps and after talking to another war veteran here, he was > forced to join the partisans. He says there was no choice- it was > different times and I would never understand. He told me his story and it > was a real eye opener for what he went through. I know it's a part of > history that majority want to erase from the history books. For my > generation (I'm in my 30's) and my daughters generation it's important to > know where your roots are even if it's bad. Seems if I ask anyone who knew > my family they avoid the subject or have to go. So it's still tabu to > talk about it and I can understand. > > I'm the oldest one left in my Kaiser family so for me it's important to be > able to pass on my family history to my daughter. > I do not intend to offend or anger anyone. I am merely trying to gain > understanding of what is was like for my Opa as a pow having a part in the > "war of the desert" as I have not lived through war. > > With respect > Mandy > > ________________________________________ > From: Gary Banzhaf [gerbanz@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, 31 July 2014 5:30 AM > To: Amanda Kaiser > Cc: Tina Michel transpro@primus.ca > Subject: Fw: [DVHH] Banaters & Afrika Korps > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Banzhaf" <gerbanz@gmail.com> > To: "Gary Banzhaf" <gerbanz@gmail.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 9:28 PM > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Banaters & Afrika Korps > > > G'Day Amanda 'down under!' > Very interesting story you've opened from the 'War in the desert' and > little is known of this campaign in Afrika or other war stories- > because of the Wehrmachts uniform, disliked by many. In a sense it is > tabu in a genealogical forum. > My congatulations to Tina (Canada) for the fascinating gutsy link! > > I also was born in former Yugoslavia, on the other side of the Danube, > near its capitol Belgrade. > Was about the same age as your Opa, at that time, but not yet drafted > Followed every move by the Afrika Korps - and not to forget 'Lili > Marlen' > I came here in the mid fifties and met Bruno from Dortmund. He probable > never heard of Gross Betschkerek - > but perhaps walked near your Opa Kaiser in the desert sand. Told me his > comrades in the Korps came from all German provinces and man born > outside > Germany - "ethnic Germans." etc. He could speak many > dialects and when I told him I lived postwar in Austria he spoke > Austrian - > and when I said my ancestors came from the Schwabenland, he spoke > schwaebisch. > Knew Bruno for about forty years and our families got together Sundays > for 'Kaffee und Kuchen.' Never stoped talking of his military service: > Montgomery at El Alamain, POW camp Suez, for many months. The camp, > prisioners interned, were men of all military branches and they got > shipped to the Canadian West coast and > transported hundreds of miles > from Lethbridge Alberta in the Canadian Wilderness to where he returned > on a tourist trip years later. > Local newspapermen after him. > Headline on a paper he displayd: 'German ex-POW returns' - nothing left > of a former Can. POW camp. > > Yeah, Bruno's stories, how can I forget. His two daughters settled in > Columbus, the States capitol. Bruno and his wife followed. > He died in a home for the aged at age 92, just last year, > North Africa on his mind, certainly. > > Gruss nach Australien und Kanada !!! > Gary Gerhard Banzhaf in Ohio/US > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Amanda Kaiser via" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> >> To: <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 1:49 AM >> Subject: [DVHH] Banaters & Afrika Korps >> >> >>> >>> G'day, >>> I have a question about the Deutsche Afrika Korps and am asking if >>> anyone >>> is familiar with it. I am looking for my family and I have recently >>> discovered my Oppa Franz Kaiser was drafted in 1941 from his home town >>> Gr >>> Betschkerek. He was 17 when he was drafted and was sent to Africa. Later >>> he was sent to Egypt as POW and then returned to Wolfsegg, Austria (not >>> sure when or the time frames). He worked in Vocklabruck building the >>> Flukolager after 1948. 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He was at my >>> Oppa's >>> wedding in 1948 but I have no information on who survived and who >>> didn't. >>> I am looking for descendants and hope you can help re-unite me with my >>> lost family. >>> >>> Any help with any information or insight to Banaters in the Afrika Korps >>> would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> I can be reached by email akaiser@gordontafe.edu.au >>> Kind regards from Australia >>> Mandy Kaiser >>> >>> >>> This message is confidential and may contain proprietary or legally >>> privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this >>> email, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of the email or >>> any part thereof (including any attachment), is prohibited and you >>> should >>> notify the sender and delete this email immediately. 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I was wondering if anyone might have the Sartscha CD and if so would you please look and see if the PUTZ surname appears.  Following is what I have pieced together using ship Manifests and Ancestry records: Putz, Michael - no other information; spouse Catherine Plume - no other information. Son:  Johann Putz * 13 Jan 1838 Hungary + 12 Dec 1917 Worth Twp., Sanilac Co., Michigan oo Margaretha ? (sounds like Koetye) *15 June 1843 Hungary + 1 July 1926 Worth Twp., Sanilac Co., Michigan. Children of Johann & Margaretha: 1.  Peter Putz *22 Sept 1873 - his ship Manifest says in Lugosch, + 1955 Michigan, probably Sanilac Co. as he is buried in Croswell, Michigan  oo Barbara Laffleur/Lafleur/Laffler. David Dreyer's DU Kalender Extractions indicates he is from Sartscha. 2.  Josef Putz *15 Oct 1875 - his ship manifest says Sartscha & David Dreyer's DU Kalender Extractions indicates he is from Sartscha. Josef died March 1966, Port Huron, Michigan.  He married Maria Jost.  I would like to know if Michael Putz & Catherine Plume are on the CD and any other information on this family. Thank you for any help that can be given. Judy Ottinger, Michigan

Karen, Thank you for taking the time to send this email. My mother and I were in Germany in June and had planned to stop there at the museum in Ulm...sadly we ran out of time and couldn't make the stop. I appreciate your remarks as it provides me with an idea if what is there. I hope one day I can make the trip. Was there any genealogical data there? Thanks again and I'm glad you enjoyed the visit there! Best, Pamela Byrne Great Granddaughter of Josef Schmidt and Mari Werger. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2014, at 12:56 AM, Karen Karbiener via <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hello all, > > I just returned from a trip to Ulm and to the Donauschwäbisches > Zentralmuseum, and must recommend it highly to those of you interested in > visualizing what is often talked about here. The Museum is in a huge, > beautiful space near Ulm's train station and the Danube itself (where there > is more artwork and signage to view about Ulm's Danube Swabian roots). It > is well organized, with 26 different sections (starting with stories of > migrations east as early as the 12th century, and ending with a look at > Europe after 1989, the year marking 'the end of communist dictatorships for > the nations of East Central Europe and Southeast Europe'). > > The sections I found most useful for my research, and most moving, were > those on Danube Swabian everyday life ("The Village: An Orderly Community"; > "Clothing: Mirror of the Society"; "Residential Life: Showpiece Bed and > Summer Kitchen") and the sections on the "Escaped, Expelled, Diplaced" and > "New Citizens: Arrival and Integration." There is a complete showcase on > the post-WW2 camp at Gakowa which includes photographs a song book, and the > homespun clothes made by the inmates (my father and grandfather among them). > > The exhibition that lives with me most closely contained materials from a > coal mine in the Ukraine, including postcards and letters from a woman > prisoner back to Yugoslavia as well as her paintings of the horror of daily > life there. She had the wherewithal to take home a piece of coal. It was > perhaps the smallest item on exhibit at the Museum, but it made real and > vivid all of my Oma's stories about her time spent in Luhansk. How very > powerful a material item can be, in confirming and enhancing flitting > memories! > > The Museum's Director, Christian Glass, was very welcoming and is doing a > fantastic job developing the public awareness of Danube Swabian history, in > Germany and beyond (I first met him when he was on a lecture tour in > Serbia). And the gift shop has a compelling selection of books to choose > from: I brought home a photo-filled catalogue of the 2008 exhibition > "Heimat im Koffer," a "Dorfkochbuch" from "Katsch-Neusatz-Kai- Novi Sad, > among other treasures. > > http://www.dzm-museum.de/deutsch/dzm.html > > If you're planning a trip, I can recommend the inexpensive and clean B&B > Hotel, which is very close to the Museum. And I must second Christian's > recommendation of restaurant Zur Forelle, where the fresh fish is > outstanding and the decor tells a colorful version of our beginnings as a > people. > > http://www.ulmer-forelle.de/ > > Alles Gute! Grüße aus New York, > > Karen Karbiener > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Are there any websites that list POW soldiers to to Canada or the US? Perhaps I could find my great uncles that way? I am looking for. .. Stephan Kaiser b : 24 June 1926 Nikolaus Kaiser b :20 May 1928 Mathias Kaiser b :10 July 1930 Elisabeth Stephania Kaiser b: 3 Nov 1934 They were all born in Groß Betschkerek and lived there at least until Nov 1944. I am trying to locate them and their families. I don't know if they married, had children or survived. Kind regards Mandy ________________________________________ From: Tina Michel [tranpro@primus.ca] Sent: Thursday, 14 August 2014 1:30 AM To: Amanda Kaiser Subject: Re: [DVHH] Banaters & Afrika Korps My pleasure. (Acts 20:35) Have a wonderful rest of the week. Tina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda Kaiser" <akaiser@gordontafe.edu.au> To: "Tina Michel" <tranpro@primus.ca> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 9:48 AM Subject: RE: [DVHH] Banaters & Afrika Korps Hey Tina, Sorry for the late reply, I've been working flat out out! Thanks heaps for the links...I will have a look/read/search. You have been so kind! Thankyou :-) Mandy ________________________________________ From: Tina Michel [tranpro@primus.ca] Sent: Wednesday, 6 August 2014 9:17 AM To: Amanda Kaiser Subject: Re: [DVHH] Banaters & Afrika Korps Dear Mandy, Try typing POW US/Canada, it may give you a few information. Otherwise I wouldn't know. http://www.traces.org/germanpows.html http://www.djcarter.ca/pow.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_prisoners_of_war_in_the_United_States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_prisoner-of-war_camps_in_the_United_States Best regards, Tina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda Kaiser" <akaiser@gordontafe.edu.au> To: "Tina Michel" <tranpro@primus.ca>; <gerbanz@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 8:33 AM Subject: RE: [DVHH] Banaters & Afrika Korps Thanks so much for the link! I have never heard of the song before. Is there any links to search for pow in the US or Canada? Most sites that have info here in Australia are blocked when it comes to any sort of nazi connection so searching Afrika Korps I seem to just get toy soldiers, tank enthusiasts and uniform collectors. Making it difficult from down here. Hope you are both well....it's freezing here! :-) Mandy ________________________________________ From: Tina Michel [tranpro@primus.ca] Sent: Friday, 1 August 2014 1:34 PM To: Amanda Kaiser; Gary Banzhaf Cc: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DVHH] Banaters & Afrika Korps Mandy, This is is in regards to your question on Lili Marleen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lili_Marleen. Gary, So you may even have met my grandparents, uncle, aunt and cousins went they arrived in Ohio in the fifthies. They live in Missouri right now. Grüss Gott und noch alles Gutes, wünscht euch beide, Tina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda Kaiser via" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> To: "Gary Banzhaf" <gerbanz@gmail.com> Cc: <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [DVHH] Banaters & Afrika Korps > Yes it is very interesting! And who who is "Lili Marlen"? > > It was tabu in my family to talk about anything that happened before they > came to Australia! I didn't even know that Opa was drafted, my > grandparents had a double wedding, whether they were German, Austrian or > Yugoslav because my Oma would change her nationality to suit the > situation! I didn't even know I had family overseas until they all passed > away! I've found a whole heap of old photos hidden in a tin which for me > opened up a can of worms. With photos from Afrikakorps, local farmers with > the nazi banners all of which I have no idea of people, places or when > they were taken. > > I was as shocked as any because this was a part of my family history > hidden from me. it would be great to hear some stories like your friend > Bruno to help understand what it was like for my Opa. I know he was forced > to join Afrikakorps and after talking to another war veteran here, he was > forced to join the partisans. He says there was no choice- it was > different times and I would never understand. He told me his story and it > was a real eye opener for what he went through. I know it's a part of > history that majority want to erase from the history books. For my > generation (I'm in my 30's) and my daughters generation it's important to > know where your roots are even if it's bad. Seems if I ask anyone who knew > my family they avoid the subject or have to go. So it's still tabu to > talk about it and I can understand. > > I'm the oldest one left in my Kaiser family so for me it's important to be > able to pass on my family history to my daughter. > I do not intend to offend or anger anyone. I am merely trying to gain > understanding of what is was like for my Opa as a pow having a part in the > "war of the desert" as I have not lived through war. > > With respect > Mandy > > ________________________________________ > From: Gary Banzhaf [gerbanz@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, 31 July 2014 5:30 AM > To: Amanda Kaiser > Cc: Tina Michel transpro@primus.ca > Subject: Fw: [DVHH] Banaters & Afrika Korps > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Banzhaf" <gerbanz@gmail.com> > To: "Gary Banzhaf" <gerbanz@gmail.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 9:28 PM > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Banaters & Afrika Korps > > > G'Day Amanda 'down under!' > Very interesting story you've opened from the 'War in the desert' and > little is known of this campaign in Afrika or other war stories- > because of the Wehrmachts uniform, disliked by many. In a sense it is > tabu in a genealogical forum. > My congatulations to Tina (Canada) for the fascinating gutsy link! > > I also was born in former Yugoslavia, on the other side of the Danube, > near its capitol Belgrade. > Was about the same age as your Opa, at that time, but not yet drafted > Followed every move by the Afrika Korps - and not to forget 'Lili > Marlen' > I came here in the mid fifties and met Bruno from Dortmund. He probable > never heard of Gross Betschkerek - > but perhaps walked near your Opa Kaiser in the desert sand. Told me his > comrades in the Korps came from all German provinces and man born > outside > Germany - "ethnic Germans." etc. He could speak many > dialects and when I told him I lived postwar in Austria he spoke > Austrian - > and when I said my ancestors came from the Schwabenland, he spoke > schwaebisch. > Knew Bruno for about forty years and our families got together Sundays > for 'Kaffee und Kuchen.' Never stoped talking of his military service: > Montgomery at El Alamain, POW camp Suez, for many months. The camp, > prisioners interned, were men of all military branches and they got > shipped to the Canadian West coast and > transported hundreds of miles > from Lethbridge Alberta in the Canadian Wilderness to where he returned > on a tourist trip years later. > Local newspapermen after him. > Headline on a paper he displayd: 'German ex-POW returns' - nothing left > of a former Can. POW camp. > > Yeah, Bruno's stories, how can I forget. His two daughters settled in > Columbus, the States capitol. Bruno and his wife followed. > He died in a home for the aged at age 92, just last year, > North Africa on his mind, certainly. > > Gruss nach Australien und Kanada !!! > Gary Gerhard Banzhaf in Ohio/US > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Amanda Kaiser via" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> >> To: <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 1:49 AM >> Subject: [DVHH] Banaters & Afrika Korps >> >> >>> >>> G'day, >>> I have a question about the Deutsche Afrika Korps and am asking if >>> anyone >>> is familiar with it. I am looking for my family and I have recently >>> discovered my Oppa Franz Kaiser was drafted in 1941 from his home town >>> Gr >>> Betschkerek. He was 17 when he was drafted and was sent to Africa. Later >>> he was sent to Egypt as POW and then returned to Wolfsegg, Austria (not >>> sure when or the time frames). He worked in Vocklabruck building the >>> Flukolager after 1948. I have photos taken in 1941 in Afrika then >>> nothing >>> until his wedding in 1948. I also have photos of the Flukolager being >>> built. >>> >>> My question is does any one know how I find out the information of the >>> men >>> who were sent to AfrikaKorps from Gr. Betschkerek? I am wondering if my >>> Oppa's brothers may have been sent at a later date. Their names are >>> Stephan, Nikolaus and Mathias Kaiser. I am desperate to find my great >>> uncles as they are the only link left in my family that may be alive. >>> >>> I know my family was in Gr Betschkerek at least until the death of my >>> great grandmother Magdalena (Gangl) Kaiser in November 1944. Her husband >>> (Nikolaus Kaiser) was last known to be in Steyr in 1948 but I am not >>> sure >>> if he was with his sons and youngest child Elisabeth Stephania Kaiser >>> (she >>> would have been about 13 or 14 years old at the time). He was at my >>> Oppa's >>> wedding in 1948 but I have no information on who survived and who >>> didn't. >>> I am looking for descendants and hope you can help re-unite me with my >>> lost family. >>> >>> Any help with any information or insight to Banaters in the Afrika Korps >>> would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> I can be reached by email akaiser@gordontafe.edu.au >>> Kind regards from Australia >>> Mandy Kaiser >>> >>> >>> This message is confidential and may contain proprietary or legally >>> privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this >>> email, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of the email or >>> any part thereof (including any attachment), is prohibited and you >>> should >>> notify the sender and delete this email immediately. 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Hello all, I just returned from a trip to Ulm and to the Donauschwäbisches Zentralmuseum, and must recommend it highly to those of you interested in visualizing what is often talked about here. The Museum is in a huge, beautiful space near Ulm's train station and the Danube itself (where there is more artwork and signage to view about Ulm's Danube Swabian roots). It is well organized, with 26 different sections (starting with stories of migrations east as early as the 12th century, and ending with a look at Europe after 1989, the year marking 'the end of communist dictatorships for the nations of East Central Europe and Southeast Europe'). The sections I found most useful for my research, and most moving, were those on Danube Swabian everyday life ("The Village: An Orderly Community"; "Clothing: Mirror of the Society"; "Residential Life: Showpiece Bed and Summer Kitchen") and the sections on the "Escaped, Expelled, Diplaced" and "New Citizens: Arrival and Integration." There is a complete showcase on the post-WW2 camp at Gakowa which includes photographs a song book, and the homespun clothes made by the inmates (my father and grandfather among them). The exhibition that lives with me most closely contained materials from a coal mine in the Ukraine, including postcards and letters from a woman prisoner back to Yugoslavia as well as her paintings of the horror of daily life there. She had the wherewithal to take home a piece of coal. It was perhaps the smallest item on exhibit at the Museum, but it made real and vivid all of my Oma's stories about her time spent in Luhansk. How very powerful a material item can be, in confirming and enhancing flitting memories! The Museum's Director, Christian Glass, was very welcoming and is doing a fantastic job developing the public awareness of Danube Swabian history, in Germany and beyond (I first met him when he was on a lecture tour in Serbia). And the gift shop has a compelling selection of books to choose from: I brought home a photo-filled catalogue of the 2008 exhibition "Heimat im Koffer," a "Dorfkochbuch" from "Katsch-Neusatz-Kai- Novi Sad, among other treasures. http://www.dzm-museum.de/deutsch/dzm.html If you're planning a trip, I can recommend the inexpensive and clean B&B Hotel, which is very close to the Museum. And I must second Christian's recommendation of restaurant Zur Forelle, where the fresh fish is outstanding and the decor tells a colorful version of our beginnings as a people. http://www.ulmer-forelle.de/ Alles Gute! Grüße aus New York, Karen Karbiener