Now is the time in the midwest, to buy the Italian Freestone plums for Zwetschgenknoedel and Zwetschgenkuchen. Yesterday I wanted to buy some and found the price to be $ 2.49 per pound. Unheard of price. Usually they are .49 cents to .79 cents a pound. I must shop around. The recipes for both Zwetschgenknoedel and Zwetschgenkuchen, Batschka version, are in my cookbook of pre World War One family recipes. The book contains Banat and Batschka family recipes. I know many members may already have my book, but if not, you can access the recipes or order the book at, www.junemeyer.com Regards, June Meyer [email protected] www.junemeyer.com See my homepage and Hungarian heirloom recipes! " ALWAYS REMEMBER: If we don't ask, we'll never know. . . and if we don't record what we do know, our descendants will wish we had!!" On Sep 7, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Eve via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > This is a response from Justine, but sent only to me but I'm sure intended > for the whole list. > > Hi all, > I just made our zwetschgen kuchen yesterday and its been a very long time > since I had a terrible time finding prune-plums here in PA. My dough is > made with egg yolks, scalded milk, yeast, butter and a little sugar. > after it rises, I put it in the pans and dip the washed pitted and halved > plums skin side down after coating them with sugar, cinnamon and a little > flour. dot with a little more butter, let rise again about 30-45 min > depending how warm the kitchen is and bake at 350 for 30-45 minutes > depending how thick the dough is and your oven peculiarities are. > > It was so good, I had to munch on it all night. There goes my diet!my dough > is similar to the Hungarians but after all, the folk Deutsch often stopped > in Hungary before moving on to Croatia in a generation or 2 so there was > much mixing of recipes or all sorts of nuances depending on where our > people came from and settled. In my family, we were more into German > cooking but my cousin's family made Sarma for instance, with tomato juice ( > the Hungarian way, while we made our with plain sauerkraut. > > I was able to find a wonderful cook book called June Meyers Authentic > Hungarian Heirloom Recipes, 3rd edition, 2012. She translated many recipes > similar to ours into english, using american weights and measure for those > of us who are unfamiliar with German or Hungarian. Many of the recipes are > very similar to our cuisine but may be called differently. I think I got it > on Amazon but cant exactly remember. It also gives a little history of the > Donnauschwaben if you are interested.Also the ladies of the Trenton > Donnauschwben Verien club put together a very nice recipe book of the old > time favorites and if you email then they would be tickled to send you a > copy for $12, I think. > > Since I am the oldest girl and was still born in Austria while we were in a > DP camp....I want to keep the old customs and cooking going. My American > family sometimes love it and sometimes just humor me. I hope that my only > grandaughter will make these dishes someday too and tell the stories of our > ancestors through food. > > Best wishes to our cooks > Justine Zentner > > > > > > > > > > 9/5/2017 3:25 PM, Eve via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES wrote: > >> Hi Christine (cousin), >> >> The plum kuchen I'm pretty sure it's pit side up (without the pit of >> course). Mama made this often too and again for me it wasn't a favorite >> because I didn't like the cooked plums. I recently found a recipe on >> pinterest that uses a cake mix for the crust and used berries for the fruit >> part - love it.....but I'm now hankering for the the prune plums and have >> some at home so I just may have to try it with this recipe too. >> >> Eve >> >> On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Christine Spooner via >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> This recent e-mail traffic brings back so many memories. I was born in a >>> refugee camp in the Hotel Europa at the train station in Salzburg and then >>> spent the next nine years of my life in the Sitzenheim Lager in Maxglan in >>> Salzburg. School in Austria was no fun, but I didn't know anything else. >>> When I arrived in school at age six, life in Austria had settled down a >>> little after the war, but Austria was still very poor and full of >>> refugees. The teachers did not like us refugees and made it pretty >>> obvious. >>> >>> My school was an all-girls' elementary school from grades 1 to 4. I had >>> the same teacher all four years. The ruler in the teacher's hand was >>> always ready to strike my hand if the teacher thought I misbehaved, which >>> was pretty often. (I never thought I misbehaved!) Often there were >>> comments to me and some of the other refugee girls about "don't you wash >>> your hands?" What the teachers didn't think about was that there was no >>> running water in the barracks where we lived; my mother had to take pails >>> over to the next barrack where there was one spigot with cold water for >>> about three other barracks. The toilets were a large six-hole outhouse >>> across the road that separated the rows of barracks. The school did have >>> one regular flush toilet--the only one I had seen at that point. We had >>> to >>> ask permission to use the toilet and the teachers rationed out the toilet >>> paper. >>> >>> In addition to the three RRR's, handcrafts were also taught. We made an >>> embroidery stitch sampler in the first grade and later made a crocheted >>> doily. Because of my "unwashed hands", my doily was made with brown yarn >>> instead of the pretty white yarn some other students received. (The >>> materials were provided by the school.) >>> >>> Salzburg is/was a very Catholic city and all the refugees from my mother's >>> village, Kisker, were Lutheran. Religious education was included in the >>> curriculum. The priest came six days a week for Catholic instruction, and >>> Lutheran students were excused. I don't remember what we did with that >>> time, but I think we had fun. The Lutheran teacher came twice a week. >>> The >>> Catholic students had no doubt that we Lutherans would never share heaven >>> with them. On the other hand, on Fridays, if any meat was available, we >>> could happily eat it while they could not. >>> >>> I did get an excellent education, especially in reading, and when I >>> arrived in the US, learning English and reading were really easy. I was >>> also ahead in handwriting and arithmetic. The treatment by American >>> teachers was so different from my Austrian teacher--what a contrast--no >>> more rulers hitting my hands. I started liking school in the US! >>> >>> On food--my mother made Zwetschgenknoedel just as Eve's mom did--dough >>> wrapped around pitted prune plums, dropped in boiling water, and then >>> browned with sweetened bread crumbs. She didn't make it very often >>> because >>> it was something of a bother to make and she was always working and tired >>> after a full day at work. Her favorite thing to make with prune plums was >>> Zwetschgenkuchen, a sweet yeast dough topped with sliced prune plums, >>> dollops of sour cream and sprinkled with sugar. She made that pretty >>> often, whenever prune plums were available, and we all enjoyed it. >>> >>> I would like to make this Zwetschgenkuchen sometime, and know how to >>> prepare the yeast dough; however, I'm not too sure about the topping. Are >>> the prune plums put on the dough skin side up or skin side down? How much >>> sugar gets sprinkled over the top, and about how much sour cream is used? >>> >>> Chris Spooner >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, September 2, 2017, 4:23:40 PM EDT, Franz via >>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> After the war, I went to school in the DP Camp in Groedig, Austria, >>> about 12 Km from Salzburg. We had all ages in a one room classroom, and >>> we started out using small chalkboards. Paper and pencils were not >>> available until 1947, and by then, classes were divided into grades one >>> through three in one group and four through five in the other. Boys and >>> girls....all together. Our teacher was also a refugee, but lived in a >>> local farmer's house (also did some farmwork to earn his food and >>> lodging). In my second and third grade years, our teacher was strict, >>> and used the 'paddle' when he deemed it necessary to maintain control. I >>> was never paddled because the thought of a getting a paddling , and then >>> my mother hearing about it, apart from the shame, it would only lead to >>> another paddling from mom, kind of a two-for-one-deal. That did not >>> appeal to me, so I behaved. :-) >>> On the brighter side, we took many walking class trips into the >>> surrounding areas, and that was a treat...just to get out of the room, >>> out of that camp. Once we even visited the nearby German border where we >>> learned about the 'roten Streich auf der Landkarte'. In class, our >>> teacher often smoked Pall Mall cigarettes while teaching, and as a >>> treat, he oftentimes read a Chapter of a Karl Mai American Western >>> fiction book. Those readings were real treats....it brough dreams of >>> foreign sights I never knew I'd see....little did I know that I'd wind >>> up in America one day and see those badlands with my own eyes. When I >>> was able to attend sixth grade (1951), I had to travel from Groedig to >>> Salzburg on the train. The last traincar was reserved only for students >>> because of the noise they made. The conductors never were friendly to us >>> Lager-students, and it was my first introduction to being considered >>> 'different'. Once, I forgot my student pass, so the conductor kicked me >>> off the train and I had to walk 10 KM home...in a snowstorm. (He never >>> checked for the pass on the trip to school) I never forgot that >>> trainpass again..never! I saw similar discrimination in the Hauptschule >>> in Austria, though a few of the teachers were empathetic. However, I was >>> one of the few Auslaender (foreigners) in that school, and my heart >>> always felt the pain of being considered 'second class'....not knowing >>> why, other than I was not Austrian. It was somewhat subtle, a sideways >>> look, a whispered comment, a mocking laugh at the meager lunch I >>> brought, always being chosen last for recess play teams, my clothes >>> were laughed at......quite a hurtful education that has stayed with >>> me...till today, at age 77! >>> On 9/2/2017 8:09 AM, Dennis Bauer via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES wrote: >>> >>>> Cuz...ok to use this in our new club newsletter? Den >>>> >>>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>>> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >>>> >>>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 Rose Vetter via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < >>>> >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I was born in Neusatz (Novi Sad) in the Batschka. I started school in >>>> >>> 1942, I think it was in the fall, a time of war and political upheaval. In >>> 1941 Hungary, as a member of the Axis powers, had reclaimed the larger >>> part >>> of the Batschka which they had lost to Yugoslavia after World War I. We >>> were once again in Hungary without having moved! The official language and >>> the bureaucracy became Hungarian, the street signs were changed to >>> Hungarian, etc. I never forget my first days at school. Outfitted with a >>> new schoolbag, a wood-framed slate, slate pencils and an abacus, I was >>> quite excited about my new adventure. My mother walked me to school, and >>> again on the second day. When the third day came around, I was expected to >>> go alone, but I refused; I cried and insisted that Mom to come with me. >>> When I couldn't be persuaded, my father gave me a spanking. That worked. >>> From that day on, I promised myself I would behave, rather than risk >>> getting a spanking again--and I didn't. As for corporal punishment by the >>> teachers, that was accepted in those times. I remember that boys in >>> particular bore the brunt of the teachers' anger by getting the end of the >>> rod. Minor infractions were usually dealt with by a slap on the cheek. I >>> remember getting slapped once and being so humiliated that I tried to hide >>> the red streaks on my cheek from my parents. Those certainly were >>> different >>> times and we've come a long way. I grew up speaking three languages: >>> German >>> at home, and Serbian and Hungarian outside the home and at school. At that >>> time the German Sütterlin or Fraktur script was still taught, but I had to >>> switch to the Latin script once we got to Germany. Our lessons were mainly >>> in Hungarian. I remember being able to sing the whole Hungarian anthem off >>> by heart. When my mother, sister and I packed our bags for our flight in >>> October 1944, I made sure I included my Hungarian schoolbook, which I kept >>> for a long time. Unfortunately, once we were in Germany and I was no >>> longer >>> exposed to the Serbian and Hungarian languages, I forgot them in a short >>> time, which I regret to this day. Unfortunately, my schooling was >>> disrupted >>> by the accelerating war conditions and bombing of the city, so I was not >>> able to attend much school during grade 2. We lived only a block away from >>> the Danube, right across the famous Peterwardein fortress, between the two >>> main bridges which were the constant targets of Allied bombers. I will >>> never forget being awakened by the air raid sirens in the middle of the >>> night and rushing to a nearby air raid shelter. Some nights we didn't >>> bother to get up, but the night our home was turned into a pile of rubble, >>> we had been in the shelter, otherwise I would not be alive today. About a >>> month later we boarded one of the last refugee trains to leave Neusatz. >>> Rose On 29 August 2017 at 22:21, DVHH-L Administrator via >>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> Forwarding to the mailing list. > Darlene > > >>> ----------------------------------------------- >>> >>>> Darlene Dimitrie > DVHH-L Email List Administrator > > On 29 August 2017 >>>> >>> at 15:42, Hans Kopp <[email protected]> wrote: > > > We were very >>> unfortunately and had our schooling interrupted by three > > years in >>> Gakowa > > A dead camp were the people were taken to die. I started >>> Kindergarten at > > age 6 because in Yugoslavia children started the >>> school >>> at seven. Now we > > had two age groups in one class. The girl school was >>> located in the nuns > > monastery wile the boys went to the boys school. >>> We >>> were more than 100 > boys > > in the school. The girls so what less and >>> therefore it was necessary to > > take t he July ages of the boys to go >>> with the girls to school. I found > > there was actually no corporal >>> punishments by the nouns. > > When we were deported to Gakowa, several of >>> the priest there attempted to > > hold school in the houses, but the was >>> forbidden and stopped when several > > of the priests were taken out of >>> the >>> camp and some of them were killed > and > > became Mardirers > > When I >>> came to Austria I had lost 3 years of school and had to go to > > school >>> with children 3 years younger. Here in Austria we still had > corpora > > >>> punishment, like putting someone over the knee or hitting on the hand > >>> with > > the rulers or standind outside in front of the door. But we grew >>> up to > > become successful citizen of Austria or the USA. I still visit >>> my >>> school > > friends in Austria. I even skied with in 2003. Since than >>> several have > > passed away. Two years ago I did visit my friend I >>> usually >>> stay with to > > celebrate the 60 anniversary of the sports club there I >>> was a founder and > > was honored with several items. I also learned the >>> soccer team I > captioned > > is among the top team in the league and >>> their >>> youth teams have won > several > > championship in their respective >>> leagues. > > > > > > Sent from my iPa > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 28, >>> 2017, at 11:12 AM, DVHH-L Administrator via > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < >>> [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Hello everyone, > >>> >>>> Conversation on the list has been kind of slow lately. Guess >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> everyone > is > > > busy enjoying summer! > > > > > > Was just >>> thinking >>> about the kids going back to school and wondering > about > > > school >>> back >>> in the old country. My mom went to school from the ages of > > > 7-12, for >>> five grades. She repeated grade 3 because she was very sick > > that > > > >>> year and missed a lot of school. It was a one-room schoolhouse. She > > > >>> really liked watching Little House on the Prairie. The school and life > > >>> >>>> reminded her of home. At some point it was divided into 2 rooms, for > > >>>> >>> older > > > and younger kids. > > > Yes, there was someone who stuck her >>> pigtails in the inkwell! They had > > > slates to do their work. One of >>> her >>> "friends" used to change her > answers > > > to incorrect ones so my mom >>> would get in trouble. > > > My uncle has an incredible knowledge of >>> European history. He told me > > that > > > because there was not a lot of >>> books available they had to really learn > > and > > > remember what they >>> had been told, which is why he still remembers all > > this. > > > > > > >>> She learned Serbian, both in Latin and Cyrillic letters and German in > > >>> both > > > Latin and Gothic. She also spoke a smattering of other >>> languages >>> >>>> because > > > of going to two different markets each week to sell farm >>>> >>> produce. She > > > really loved working at the markets. > > > She lived in >>> Hrastovac in western Slavonia, a town of about 700-800 > > > residents. >>> She >>> always felt under-educated here in Canada because she > > only > > > went >>> to 5 grades, but I think she was quite intelligent and knew as > much > > >>> as > > > people who went through the whole elementary and secondary school >>> >>>> systems. > > > Maybe not the calculus and trigonometry, but the >>>>> >>>> languages, everyday > > > mathematics, history and geography and she >>> certainly knew a lot of > > growing > > > crops and raising farm animals >>> and how to fix just about anything. > Very > > > practical life skills! > >>>> >>> >>>> Would anyone like to share stories about school life, especially >>>>>>> >>>>>> those > of > > > you who went to school there? When did school start? >>> What >>> months did > it > > > run? Did you get let out at certain times to help in >>> the fields? What > > were > > > your teachers like? Where did they come >>> from? How were things > different > > > in smaller towns and larger towns >>> and cities. > > > > > > Feel free to share any other stories about >>> childhood life during the > good > > > times. > > > > > > Darlene > > > > >>>> >>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------- > > > Darlene >>>>>>> >>>>>> Dimitrie > > > DVHH-L Email List Administrator > > > > > > > > > >>> ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, >>> please send an email to > > [email protected] >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the >>> body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To >>> unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send >>> an email to [email protected] with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> message >>> >>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body

A bit of History from my childhood in Salzburg, Austria where I did go to school after 3 years of absence in Gakowa. Salzburg, Austria a harbor for refugees Two eventscontributed to the demise and tragic developments of the life in the Donauschwabenduring the post war years of World War II. They were 1) the agreement at Potsdam by the allied Nations, which allowed the expulsionof all Germans from Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslaviaand Hungary.It was done without regard to the fact that the Germans were citizens of thesenations whose ancestors had been living in these countries anywhere from 200 to800 years and in some cases even longer. 2) The decision made by the rebelgroup of the communist partisan’s lead by Tito on November 29, 1943 in Jajce, Bosnia regarding theGerman population. The result of these treaties was devastating, primarily for thosecitizens of German descent in Yugoslavia.It denied them the rights of their citizenship, which they received after theFirst World War when Yugoslaviawas formed. The treaty permitted the confiscation of the property of the Donauschwaben,expulsion from their homes, deporting young men and women in their prime tolabor camps in Russia andtaking teenagers, the older men and women force them to work in slave laborcamps throughout Yugoslavia.The Partisans lead by Tito also took the privilege to brutalize murder andstarve to death tens of thousands of innocent Donauschwaben. Thousands of Donauschwaben,who managed to escape Yugoslavia,reached Austria and Germany invarious ways. Once there, they were temporarily housed in old German armybarracks, since no other housing was available at the end of the war. ByOctober 1949, 305,326 German-speaking refugees lived in Austria. Themajority of the refugees were Donauschwaben from the regions of the formerHabsburg Monarchy. By the end of 1949, 5.4% of the total population of Salzburg was refugees,and of those refugees 60% lived in former army barracks. During the earlypostwar years, the refugees of German descent from Eastern Europe weredeliberately excluded from receiving aid given by large help institutions. Thebiggest problems were faced by those families who were separated at the end ofthe war and during the early post war years. The most difficult task was thereunification of living family members. The Church institutions developed asystem to find the separated family members and reunite them. As more and morefamilies were reunited, clear directions had to be found for them. They werehomeless and without means of financial support. Austria became aharbor for the refugees. This was true especially in Salzburg, center of the American Zone. Salzburg became a centerfor the German refugees and by 1951 there were 235,000 refugees living in theAmerican Zone. The Donauschwaben were extremely grateful to the helping handsin Salzburg,which included Archbishop DDr. Andreas Rohrbacher, the governors of SalzburgDr. Josef Klaus and Dipl. Ing. Dr. Hans Lechner, as well as, Major KR. AlfredBäck of the US Army. Two men were instrumental in aiding the refugees. Theywere Pater Josef Stefan and Dr. Hans Schreckeis, as the President of the Donauschwabenin Salzburg.These men worked relentlessly to ease the burden and pain of the refugees andassisted them with their social and cultural realignment. It was Pater (Father)Stefan, head of the “Katholischen Flüchtlings - und Fürsorgestelle” (CatholicRefugees Aid Station) and his counterpart the “Christliche Hilfswerk derEvangelischen und Reformierten Kirche” (The Christian Help Organization for theLutheran and Reformed Church). They helped thousands of their countrymen solvethe difficult problems they confronted during those hopeless years. When the allied powers began to trust the German refugees,organizations to benefit the refugees were formed. The refugees also formedorganizations within themselves. In 1948 the “Zentralstelle der Volksdeutschen”(Center for People of German Descent) was formed. During the same year“Neuland” a newspaper, edited by Prof. A. K. Gauss for the Donauschwaben, beganits publication. Under the direction of the honorary Archbishop DDr. AndreasRohracher of Salzburg,the Donauschwaben staged a “Donauschwaben Home Night” on April 4th1948. These actions were taken by the Donauschwaben, with the intent ofbringing their problems to the attention of the public and the world leaders. By early 1950, all hope for the German refugees to return homevanished. It was by no means easy to decide where to go. The Donauschwaben hadno other alternative but to look elsewhere to establish new homes and new livesfor themselves. Due to their German heritage, most Donauschwaben could not getpermits to emigrate. Before permits could be obtained good relations had to beestablished with the U.S. Immigration office. One reason for the denial ofpermits was the military past of our men. It was a delicate matterdemonstrating unfair discrimination against the Donauschwaben at the U.S.Immigration Department. In the matter of discrimination, Prof. Pater JosefStefan and Kons. Rat Prof. Josef Haltmayer directed efforts to collectdocuments regarding the so-called “voluntary” enlistment into the Waffen SS.The collection of documents was the basis for a memorandum written by Prof. A.K. Gauss. The memorandum was distributed to various institutions andorganizations concerning the emigration question and the status of the Donauschwaben.The memorandum found recognition at the U.S. Immigration Department and thebarrier of mistrust of the Donauschwaben was broken and new inroads were made. In 1950the World Church Conference, whose priority issues were the refugees, tookplace in Salzburg.Prof. A. K. Gauss presented a document entitled “Children in the Shadow” at theconference. He addressed the problems of thousands of our children orphaned andleft to suffer in Yugoslaviawithout parents, grandparents or caring relatives. It was the first time theworld took note of the problem and with the cooperation and the help of theInternational Red Cross, thousands of children were allowed to leave Yugoslavia to be reunited with their families inAustria, Germany, USA and other countries. TheGovernor of Salzburg (Landeshauptmann) Dr. Josef Klaus took a leading roleencouraging local communities in Salzburg to become involved with theresettlement of the refugees and to free more land for housing developmentprojects. The land was sold for a low price of 3 Austrian Schilling per squaremeter. One man that must be mentioned is Pater (Father) Warenfried vanStraaten, whose fundraising activities became a fixture in the communities. Hisdonations of food earned him the beloved nickname “Speckpater” (Bacon father).While traveling through the newly built communities he conceived the idea oforganizing the “Baugesellen” (Building fellows). He recruited young men from Belgium, Holland,France, Germany, Austria and other countries todonate their time to build houses, old age homes, orphanages and hostels. Healso extended his work to other countries. On ‎Saturday‎, ‎September‎ ‎02‎, ‎2017‎ ‎04‎:‎23‎:‎37‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT, Franz via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: After the war, I went to school in the DP Camp in Groedig, Austria, about 12 Km from Salzburg. We had all ages in a one room classroom, and we started out using small chalkboards. Paper and pencils were not available until 1947, and by then, classes were divided into grades one through three in one group and four through five in the other. Boys and girls....all together. Our teacher was also a refugee, but lived in a local farmer's house (also did some farmwork to earn his food and lodging). In my second and third grade years, our teacher was strict, and used the 'paddle' when he deemed it necessary to maintain control. I was never paddled because the thought of a getting a paddling , and then my mother hearing about it, apart from the shame, it would only lead to another paddling from mom, kind of a two-for-one-deal. That did not appeal to me, so I behaved. :-) On the brighter side, we took many walking class trips into the surrounding areas, and that was a treat...just to get out of the room, out of that camp. Once we even visited the nearby German border where we learned about the 'roten Streich auf der Landkarte'. In class, our teacher often smoked Pall Mall cigarettes while teaching, and as a treat, he oftentimes read a Chapter of a Karl Mai American Western fiction book. Those readings were real treats....it brough dreams of foreign sights I never knew I'd see....little did I know that I'd wind up in America one day and see those badlands with my own eyes. When I was able to attend sixth grade (1951), I had to travel from Groedig to Salzburg on the train. The last traincar was reserved only for students because of the noise they made. The conductors never were friendly to us Lager-students, and it was my first introduction to being considered 'different'. Once, I forgot my student pass, so the conductor kicked me off the train and I had to walk 10 KM home...in a snowstorm. (He never checked for the pass on the trip to school) I never forgot that trainpass again..never! I saw similar discrimination in the Hauptschule in Austria, though a few of the teachers were empathetic. However, I was one of the few Auslaender (foreigners) in that school, and my heart always felt the pain of being considered 'second class'....not knowing why, other than I was not Austrian. It was somewhat subtle, a sideways look, a whispered comment, a mocking laugh at the meager lunch I brought, always being chosen  last for recess play teams, my clothes were laughed at......quite a hurtful education that has stayed with me...till today, at age 77! On 9/2/2017 8:09 AM, Dennis Bauer via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES wrote: > Cuz...ok to use this in our new club newsletter? Den > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Thursday, August 31, 2017 Rose Vetter via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > I was born in Neusatz (Novi Sad) in the Batschka. I started school in 1942, I think it was in the fall, a time of war and political upheaval. In 1941 Hungary, as a member of the Axis powers, had reclaimed the larger part of the Batschka which they had lost to Yugoslavia after World War I. We were once again in Hungary without having moved! The official language and the bureaucracy became Hungarian, the street signs were changed to Hungarian, etc. I never forget my first days at school. Outfitted with a new schoolbag, a wood-framed slate, slate pencils and an abacus, I was quite excited about my new adventure. My mother walked me to school, and again on the second day. When the third day came around, I was expected to go alone, but I refused; I cried and insisted that Mom to come with me. When I couldn't be persuaded, my father gave me a spanking. That worked. From that day on, I promised myself I would behave, rather than risk getting a spanking again--and I didn't. As for corporal punishment by the teachers, that was accepted in those times. I remember that boys in particular bore the brunt of the teachers' anger by getting the end of the rod. Minor infractions were usually dealt with by a slap on the cheek. I remember getting slapped once and being so humiliated that I tried to hide the red streaks on my cheek from my parents. Those certainly were different times and we've come a long way. I grew up speaking three languages: German at home, and Serbian and Hungarian outside the home and at school. At that time the German Sütterlin or Fraktur script was still taught, but I had to switch to the Latin script once we got to Germany. Our lessons were mainly in Hungarian. I remember being able to sing the whole Hungarian anthem off by heart. When my mother, sister and I packed our bags for our flight in October 1944, I made sure I included my Hungarian schoolbook, which I kept for a long time. Unfortunately, once we were in Germany and I was no longer exposed to the Serbian and Hungarian languages, I forgot them in a short time, which I regret to this day. Unfortunately, my schooling was disrupted by the accelerating war conditions and bombing of the city, so I was not able to attend much school during grade 2. We lived only a block away from the Danube, right across the famous Peterwardein fortress, between the two main bridges which were the constant targets of Allied bombers. I will never forget being awakened by the air raid sirens in the middle of the night and rushing to a nearby air raid shelter. Some nights we didn't bother to get up, but the night our home was turned into a pile of rubble, we had been in the shelter, otherwise I would not be alive today. About a month later we boarded one of the last refugee trains to leave Neusatz. Rose On 29 August 2017 at 22:21, DVHH-L Administrator via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > Forwarding to the mailing list. > Darlene > > ----------------------------------------------- > Darlene Dimitrie > DVHH-L Email List Administrator > > On 29 August 2017 at 15:42, Hans Kopp <[email protected]> wrote: > > > We were very unfortunately and had our schooling interrupted by three > > years in Gakowa > > A dead camp were the people were taken to die. I started Kindergarten at > > age 6 because in Yugoslavia children started the school at seven. Now we > > had two age groups in one class. The girl school was located in the nuns > > monastery wile the boys went to the boys school. We were more than 100 > boys > > in the school. The girls so what less and therefore it was necessary to > > take t he July ages of the boys to go with the girls to school. I found > > there was actually no corporal punishments by the nouns. > > When we were deported to Gakowa, several of the priest there attempted to > > hold school in the houses, but the was forbidden and stopped when several > > of the priests were taken out of the camp and some of them were killed > and > > became Mardirers > > When I came to Austria I had lost 3 years of school and had to go to > > school with children 3 years younger. Here in Austria we still had > corpora > > punishment, like putting someone over the knee or hitting on the hand > with > > the rulers or standind outside in front of the door. But we grew up to > > become successful citizen of Austria or the USA. I still visit my school > > friends in Austria. I even skied with in 2003. Since than several have > > passed away. Two years ago I did visit my friend I usually stay with to > > celebrate the 60 anniversary of the sports club there I was a founder and > > was honored with several items. I also learned the soccer team I > captioned > > is among the top team in the league and their youth teams have won > several > > championship in their respective leagues. > > > > > > Sent from my iPa > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 28, 2017, at 11:12 AM, DVHH-L Administrator via > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > Conversation on the list has been kind of slow lately. Guess everyone > is > > > busy enjoying summer! > > > > > > Was just thinking about the kids going back to school and wondering > about > > > school back in the old country. My mom went to school from the ages of > > > 7-12, for five grades. She repeated grade 3 because she was very sick > > that > > > year and missed a lot of school. It was a one-room schoolhouse. She > > > really liked watching Little House on the Prairie. The school and life > > > reminded her of home. At some point it was divided into 2 rooms, for > > older > > > and younger kids. > > > Yes, there was someone who stuck her pigtails in the inkwell! They had > > > slates to do their work. One of her "friends" used to change her > answers > > > to incorrect ones so my mom would get in trouble. > > > My uncle has an incredible knowledge of European history. He told me > > that > > > because there was not a lot of books available they had to really learn > > and > > > remember what they had been told, which is why he still remembers all > > this. > > > > > > She learned Serbian, both in Latin and Cyrillic letters and German in > > both > > > Latin and Gothic. She also spoke a smattering of other languages > because > > > of going to two different markets each week to sell farm produce. She > > > really loved working at the markets. > > > She lived in Hrastovac in western Slavonia, a town of about 700-800 > > > residents. She always felt under-educated here in Canada because she > > only > > > went to 5 grades, but I think she was quite intelligent and knew as > much > > as > > > people who went through the whole elementary and secondary school > > systems. > > > Maybe not the calculus and trigonometry, but the languages, everyday > > > mathematics, history and geography and she certainly knew a lot of > > growing > > > crops and raising farm animals and how to fix just about anything. > Very > > > practical life skills! > > > > > > Would anyone like to share stories about school life, especially those > of > > > you who went to school there? When did school start? What months did > it > > > run? Did you get let out at certain times to help in the fields? What > > were > > > your teachers like? Where did they come from? How were things > different > > > in smaller towns and larger towns and cities. > > > > > > Feel free to share any other stories about childhood life during the > good > > > times. > > > > > > Darlene > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------- > > > Darlene Dimitrie > > > DVHH-L Email List Administrator > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Frey can also be spelled Frei. On the Ellis Island site there is an Adam Frei who arrived Jan. 6, 1906, age 23 yrs., showing him as married arrived on the Carpathia. Here's the link to the website. https://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/ Have a good day. Terry Schira ________________________________ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 18:26:24 +0000 From: Frey Tam?s <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: [DVHH] Adam Frey, 1872-1948 Message-ID: <[email protected]D.OUTLOOK.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear All, First of all, let me give a brief introduction of me and my family. My father was born in Hungary to Donauschwaben parents. My grandfather Frey, from Szabadi, my grandmother Sprenger, from Nagyhajm?s. When my father was only 3 years old, his father was forced to Hungarianize his name to Szabados. His whole family was expelled to Germany (except for him) and his wife's family was stripped of all their wealth, being labeled as 'kulaks' by the communist state. My grandfather was again offered to leave Hungary in 1956 but he refused to. In 1986 again, my parents were offered a possibility to move to Germany but they did not want to be cut off from everybody they knew - not knowing that the iron curtain would come down only a few years later. Then Hungary joined the EU and the Wanderlust and the search for opportunities took me, the grandson of Donauschwaben grandparents, to Paris... It was here that, after the recent death of my father, I decided to reclaim the original name of the family and took the name 'Frey' back. (Our German name had been kept as a secret even in the 80's, during socialist times.) Having reclaimed my family's original name, I have also started to discover my paternal ancestry line, which, as I have found, goes back to 1518, to Darmstadt. As part of my research, I am looking for information on my great-grandfather, Adam Frey from Szabadi, Somogy, Hungary. He lived his whole life in Hungary and died somewhere on the train towards Germany, when the Germans of his village were expelled in 1948, according to official documents. * First of all, I wonder if anyone knows how one can find (if there is any trace, that is) the place where he might have been buried. According to the documents available to me, his train went to Pirna. However, the rest of his family (his children) then ended up in West Germany, in the American Zone. * Secondly, there are family stories about this same Adam Frey, namely that he had gone to America on a boat (the Carpathia was specifically mentioned), possibly even several times. Eventually, he came back to Hungary, so he never actually settled in the US. I wonder if anyone has access to records to see when he might have gone to the US and on what boats he might have travelled. I would greatly appreciate any help. Thank you very much in advance, Tam?s Frey

Dear All, First of all, let me give a brief introduction of me and my family. My father was born in Hungary to Donauschwaben parents. My grandfather Frey, from Szabadi, my grandmother Sprenger, from Nagyhajmás. When my father was only 3 years old, his father was forced to Hungarianize his name to Szabados. His whole family was expelled to Germany (except for him) and his wife's family was stripped of all their wealth, being labeled as 'kulaks' by the communist state. My grandfather was again offered to leave Hungary in 1956 but he refused to. In 1986 again, my parents were offered a possibility to move to Germany but they did not want to be cut off from everybody they knew - not knowing that the iron curtain would come down only a few years later. Then Hungary joined the EU and the Wanderlust and the search for opportunities took me, the grandson of Donauschwaben grandparents, to Paris... It was here that, after the recent death of my father, I decided to reclaim the original name of the family and took the name 'Frey' back. (Our German name had been kept as a secret even in the 80's, during socialist times.) Having reclaimed my family's original name, I have also started to discover my paternal ancestry line, which, as I have found, goes back to 1518, to Darmstadt. As part of my research, I am looking for information on my great-grandfather, Adam Frey from Szabadi, Somogy, Hungary. He lived his whole life in Hungary and died somewhere on the train towards Germany, when the Germans of his village were expelled in 1948, according to official documents. * First of all, I wonder if anyone knows how one can find (if there is any trace, that is) the place where he might have been buried. According to the documents available to me, his train went to Pirna. However, the rest of his family (his children) then ended up in West Germany, in the American Zone. * Secondly, there are family stories about this same Adam Frey, namely that he had gone to America on a boat (the Carpathia was specifically mentioned), possibly even several times. Eventually, he came back to Hungary, so he never actually settled in the US. I wonder if anyone has access to records to see when he might have gone to the US and on what boats he might have travelled. I would greatly appreciate any help. Thank you very much in advance, Tamás Frey

That's what my mother used when she used plums. If I remember correctly, the Italian Prune plums are more oval than round. Sent from my iPad > On Sep 7, 2017, at 5:39 PM, Helga Kiely via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > > Let's not forget that the plums are only sold in the Americas in the fall. They are Italian Prune Plums. The other plums are not nearly as tasty in Zwetschgenknodel. Maybe not in the Americas, but for certain sold only in the fall if you live in Canada. > -----Original Message----- From: Eve via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES > Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 3:27 PM > To: Christine Spooner > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Life in Childhood - School, Zwetschgenknoedel, Zwetschgenkuchen > > OH....sorry I also wanted to add Christine, your story of school in the > lager sounds just like what I've heard from my mom and also about the > division of Catholic and Lutheran. It was also difficult for my mom with > this. > > Eve > >> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Eve <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Christine (cousin), >> >> The plum kuchen I'm pretty sure it's pit side up (without the pit of >> course). Mama made this often too and again for me it wasn't a favorite >> because I didn't like the cooked plums. I recently found a recipe on >> pinterest that uses a cake mix for the crust and used berries for the fruit >> part - love it.....but I'm now hankering for the the prune plums and have >> some at home so I just may have to try it with this recipe too. >> >> Eve >> >> On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Christine Spooner via >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> This recent e-mail traffic brings back so many memories. I was born in a >>> refugee camp in the Hotel Europa at the train station in Salzburg and then >>> spent the next nine years of my life in the Sitzenheim Lager in Maxglan in >>> Salzburg. School in Austria was no fun, but I didn't know anything else. >>> When I arrived in school at age six, life in Austria had settled down a >>> little after the war, but Austria was still very poor and full of >>> refugees. The teachers did not like us refugees and made it pretty obvious. >>> >>> My school was an all-girls' elementary school from grades 1 to 4. I had >>> the same teacher all four years. The ruler in the teacher's hand was >>> always ready to strike my hand if the teacher thought I misbehaved, which >>> was pretty often. (I never thought I misbehaved!) Often there were >>> comments to me and some of the other refugee girls about "don't you wash >>> your hands?" What the teachers didn't think about was that there was no >>> running water in the barracks where we lived; my mother had to take pails >>> over to the next barrack where there was one spigot with cold water for >>> about three other barracks. The toilets were a large six-hole outhouse >>> across the road that separated the rows of barracks. The school did have >>> one regular flush toilet--the only one I had seen at that point. We had to >>> ask permission to use the toilet and the teachers rationed out the toilet >>> paper. >>> >>> In addition to the three RRR's, handcrafts were also taught. We made an >>> embroidery stitch sampler in the first grade and later made a crocheted >>> doily. Because of my "unwashed hands", my doily was made with brown yarn >>> instead of the pretty white yarn some other students received. (The >>> materials were provided by the school.) >>> >>> Salzburg is/was a very Catholic city and all the refugees from my >>> mother's village, Kisker, were Lutheran. Religious education was included >>> in the curriculum. The priest came six days a week for Catholic >>> instruction, and Lutheran students were excused. I don't remember what we >>> did with that time, but I think we had fun. The Lutheran teacher came >>> twice a week. The Catholic students had no doubt that we Lutherans would >>> never share heaven with them. On the other hand, on Fridays, if any meat >>> was available, we could happily eat it while they could not. >>> >>> I did get an excellent education, especially in reading, and when I >>> arrived in the US, learning English and reading were really easy. I was >>> also ahead in handwriting and arithmetic. The treatment by American >>> teachers was so different from my Austrian teacher--what a contrast--no >>> more rulers hitting my hands. I started liking school in the US! >>> >>> On food--my mother made Zwetschgenknoedel just as Eve's mom did--dough >>> wrapped around pitted prune plums, dropped in boiling water, and then >>> browned with sweetened bread crumbs. She didn't make it very often because >>> it was something of a bother to make and she was always working and tired >>> after a full day at work. Her favorite thing to make with prune plums was >>> Zwetschgenkuchen, a sweet yeast dough topped with sliced prune plums, >>> dollops of sour cream and sprinkled with sugar. She made that pretty >>> often, whenever prune plums were available, and we all enjoyed it. >>> >>> I would like to make this Zwetschgenkuchen sometime, and know how to >>> prepare the yeast dough; however, I'm not too sure about the topping. Are >>> the prune plums put on the dough skin side up or skin side down? How much >>> sugar gets sprinkled over the top, and about how much sour cream is used? >>> >>> Chris Spooner >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, September 2, 2017, 4:23:40 PM EDT, Franz via >>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> After the war, I went to school in the DP Camp in Groedig, Austria, >>> about 12 Km from Salzburg. We had all ages in a one room classroom, and >>> we started out using small chalkboards. Paper and pencils were not >>> available until 1947, and by then, classes were divided into grades one >>> through three in one group and four through five in the other. Boys and >>> girls....all together. Our teacher was also a refugee, but lived in a >>> local farmer's house (also did some farmwork to earn his food and >>> lodging). In my second and third grade years, our teacher was strict, >>> and used the 'paddle' when he deemed it necessary to maintain control. I >>> was never paddled because the thought of a getting a paddling , and then >>> my mother hearing about it, apart from the shame, it would only lead to >>> another paddling from mom, kind of a two-for-one-deal. That did not >>> appeal to me, so I behaved. :-) >>> On the brighter side, we took many walking class trips into the >>> surrounding areas, and that was a treat...just to get out of the room, >>> out of that camp. Once we even visited the nearby German border where we >>> learned about the 'roten Streich auf der Landkarte'. In class, our >>> teacher often smoked Pall Mall cigarettes while teaching, and as a >>> treat, he oftentimes read a Chapter of a Karl Mai American Western >>> fiction book. Those readings were real treats....it brough dreams of >>> foreign sights I never knew I'd see....little did I know that I'd wind >>> up in America one day and see those badlands with my own eyes. When I >>> was able to attend sixth grade (1951), I had to travel from Groedig to >>> Salzburg on the train. The last traincar was reserved only for students >>> because of the noise they made. The conductors never were friendly to us >>> Lager-students, and it was my first introduction to being considered >>> 'different'. Once, I forgot my student pass, so the conductor kicked me >>> off the train and I had to walk 10 KM home...in a snowstorm. (He never >>> checked for the pass on the trip to school) I never forgot that >>> trainpass again..never! I saw similar discrimination in the Hauptschule >>> in Austria, though a few of the teachers were empathetic. However, I was >>> one of the few Auslaender (foreigners) in that school, and my heart >>> always felt the pain of being considered 'second class'....not knowing >>> why, other than I was not Austrian. It was somewhat subtle, a sideways >>> look, a whispered comment, a mocking laugh at the meager lunch I >>> brought, always being chosen last for recess play teams, my clothes >>> were laughed at......quite a hurtful education that has stayed with >>> me...till today, at age 77! >>> On 9/2/2017 8:09 AM, Dennis Bauer via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES wrote: >>> > Cuz...ok to use this in our new club newsletter? Den >>> > >>> > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>> > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >>> > >>> > On Thursday, August 31, 2017 Rose Vetter via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> > I was born in Neusatz (Novi Sad) in the Batschka. I started school in >>> 1942, I think it was in the fall, a time of war and political upheaval. In >>> 1941 Hungary, as a member of the Axis powers, had reclaimed the larger part >>> of the Batschka which they had lost to Yugoslavia after World War I. We >>> were once again in Hungary without having moved! The official language and >>> the bureaucracy became Hungarian, the street signs were changed to >>> Hungarian, etc. I never forget my first days at school. Outfitted with a >>> new schoolbag, a wood-framed slate, slate pencils and an abacus, I was >>> quite excited about my new adventure. My mother walked me to school, and >>> again on the second day. When the third day came around, I was expected to >>> go alone, but I refused; I cried and insisted that Mom to come with me. >>> When I couldn't be persuaded, my father gave me a spanking. That worked. >>> From that day on, I promised myself I would behave, rather than risk >>> getting a spanking again--and I didn't. As for corporal punishment by the >>> teachers, that was accepted in those times. I remember that boys in >>> particular bore the brunt of the teachers' anger by getting the end of the >>> rod. Minor infractions were usually dealt with by a slap on the cheek. I >>> remember getting slapped once and being so humiliated that I tried to hide >>> the red streaks on my cheek from my parents. Those certainly were different >>> times and we've come a long way. I grew up speaking three languages: German >>> at home, and Serbian and Hungarian outside the home and at school. At that >>> time the German Sütterlin or Fraktur script was still taught, but I had to >>> switch to the Latin script once we got to Germany. Our lessons were mainly >>> in Hungarian. I remember being able to sing the whole Hungarian anthem off >>> by heart. When my mother, sister and I packed our bags for our flight in >>> October 1944, I made sure I included my Hungarian schoolbook, which I kept >>> for a long time. Unfortunately, once we were in Germany and I was no longer >>> exposed to the Serbian and Hungarian languages, I forgot them in a short >>> time, which I regret to this day. Unfortunately, my schooling was disrupted >>> by the accelerating war conditions and bombing of the city, so I was not >>> able to attend much school during grade 2. We lived only a block away from >>> the Danube, right across the famous Peterwardein fortress, between the two >>> main bridges which were the constant targets of Allied bombers. I will >>> never forget being awakened by the air raid sirens in the middle of the >>> night and rushing to a nearby air raid shelter. Some nights we didn't >>> bother to get up, but the night our home was turned into a pile of rubble, >>> we had been in the shelter, otherwise I would not be alive today. About a >>> month later we boarded one of the last refugee trains to leave Neusatz. >>> Rose On 29 August 2017 at 22:21, DVHH-L Administrator via >>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> Forwarding to the mailing list. > Darlene > > ----------------------------------------------- >>> > Darlene Dimitrie > DVHH-L Email List Administrator > > On 29 August > 2017 >>> at 15:42, Hans Kopp <[email protected]> wrote: > > > We were very >>> unfortunately and had our schooling interrupted by three > > years in >>> Gakowa > > A dead camp were the people were taken to die. I started >>> Kindergarten at > > age 6 because in Yugoslavia children started the school >>> at seven. Now we > > had two age groups in one class. The girl school was >>> located in the nuns > > monastery wile the boys went to the boys school. We >>> were more than 100 > boys > > in the school. The girls so what less and >>> therefore it was necessary to > > take t he July ages of the boys to go >>> with the girls to school. I found > > there was actually no corporal >>> punishments by the nouns. > > When we were deported to Gakowa, several of >>> the priest there attempted to > > hold school in the houses, but the was >>> forbidden and stopped when several > > of the priests were taken out of the >>> camp and some of them were killed > and > > became Mardirers > > When I >>> came to Austria I had lost 3 years of school and had to go to > > school >>> with children 3 years younger. Here in Austria we still had > corpora > > >>> punishment, like putting someone over the knee or hitting on the hand > >>> with > > the rulers or standind outside in front of the door. But we grew >>> up to > > become successful citizen of Austria or the USA. I still visit my >>> school > > friends in Austria. I even skied with in 2003. Since than >>> several have > > passed away. Two years ago I did visit my friend I usually >>> stay with to > > celebrate the 60 anniversary of the sports club there I >>> was a founder and > > was honored with several items. I also learned the >>> soccer team I > captioned > > is among the top team in the league and their >>> youth teams have won > several > > championship in their respective >>> leagues. > > > > > > Sent from my iPa > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 28, >>> 2017, at 11:12 AM, DVHH-L Administrator via > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < >>> [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Hello everyone, >>> > > > > > > Conversation on the list has been kind of slow lately. Guess >>> everyone > is > > > busy enjoying summer! > > > > > > Was just thinking >>> about the kids going back to school and wondering > about > > > school back >>> in the old country. My mom went to school from the ages of > > > 7-12, for >>> five grades. She repeated grade 3 because she was very sick > > that > > > >>> year and missed a lot of school. It was a one-room schoolhouse. She > > > >>> really liked watching Little House on the Prairie. The school and life > > >>> > reminded her of home. At some point it was divided into 2 rooms, for > > > >>> older > > > and younger kids. > > > Yes, there was someone who stuck her >>> pigtails in the inkwell! They had > > > slates to do their work. One of her >>> "friends" used to change her > answers > > > to incorrect ones so my mom >>> would get in trouble. > > > My uncle has an incredible knowledge of >>> European history. He told me > > that > > > because there was not a lot of >>> books available they had to really learn > > and > > > remember what they >>> had been told, which is why he still remembers all > > this. > > > > > > >>> She learned Serbian, both in Latin and Cyrillic letters and German in > > >>> both > > > Latin and Gothic. She also spoke a smattering of other languages >>> > because > > > of going to two different markets each week to sell farm >>> produce. She > > > really loved working at the markets. > > > She lived in >>> Hrastovac in western Slavonia, a town of about 700-800 > > > residents. She >>> always felt under-educated here in Canada because she > > only > > > went >>> to 5 grades, but I think she was quite intelligent and knew as > much > > >>> as > > > people who went through the whole elementary and secondary school >>> > > systems. > > > Maybe not the calculus and trigonometry, but the >>> languages, everyday > > > mathematics, history and geography and she >>> certainly knew a lot of > > growing > > > crops and raising farm animals >>> and how to fix just about anything. > Very > > > practical life skills! > > >>> > > > > Would anyone like to share stories about school life, especially >>> those > of > > > you who went to school there? When did school start? What >>> months did > it > > > run? Did you get let out at certain times to help in >>> the fields? What > > were > > > your teachers like? Where did they come >>> from? How were things > different > > > in smaller towns and larger towns >>> and cities. > > > > > > Feel free to share any other stories about >>> childhood life during the > good > > > times. > > > > > > Darlene > > > > > >>> > > > > ----------------------------------------------- > > > Darlene >>> Dimitrie > > > DVHH-L Email List Administrator > > > > > > > > > >>> ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, >>> please send an email to > > [email protected] >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the >>> body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To >>> unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please >>> send an email to [email protected] with the >>> word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> message >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Syrmia Regional Coordinator >> http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia >> > > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Let's not forget that the plums are only sold in the Americas in the fall. They are Italian Prune Plums. The other plums are not nearly as tasty in Zwetschgenknodel. Maybe not in the Americas, but for certain sold only in the fall if you live in Canada. -----Original Message----- From: Eve via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 3:27 PM To: Christine Spooner Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DVHH] Life in Childhood - School, Zwetschgenknoedel, Zwetschgenkuchen OH....sorry I also wanted to add Christine, your story of school in the lager sounds just like what I've heard from my mom and also about the division of Catholic and Lutheran. It was also difficult for my mom with this. Eve On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Eve <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Christine (cousin), > > The plum kuchen I'm pretty sure it's pit side up (without the pit of > course). Mama made this often too and again for me it wasn't a favorite > because I didn't like the cooked plums. I recently found a recipe on > pinterest that uses a cake mix for the crust and used berries for the > fruit > part - love it.....but I'm now hankering for the the prune plums and have > some at home so I just may have to try it with this recipe too. > > Eve > > On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Christine Spooner via > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > >> This recent e-mail traffic brings back so many memories. I was born in a >> refugee camp in the Hotel Europa at the train station in Salzburg and >> then >> spent the next nine years of my life in the Sitzenheim Lager in Maxglan >> in >> Salzburg. School in Austria was no fun, but I didn't know anything else. >> When I arrived in school at age six, life in Austria had settled down a >> little after the war, but Austria was still very poor and full of >> refugees. The teachers did not like us refugees and made it pretty >> obvious. >> >> My school was an all-girls' elementary school from grades 1 to 4. I had >> the same teacher all four years. The ruler in the teacher's hand was >> always ready to strike my hand if the teacher thought I misbehaved, which >> was pretty often. (I never thought I misbehaved!) Often there were >> comments to me and some of the other refugee girls about "don't you wash >> your hands?" What the teachers didn't think about was that there was no >> running water in the barracks where we lived; my mother had to take pails >> over to the next barrack where there was one spigot with cold water for >> about three other barracks. The toilets were a large six-hole outhouse >> across the road that separated the rows of barracks. The school did have >> one regular flush toilet--the only one I had seen at that point. We had >> to >> ask permission to use the toilet and the teachers rationed out the toilet >> paper. >> >> In addition to the three RRR's, handcrafts were also taught. We made an >> embroidery stitch sampler in the first grade and later made a crocheted >> doily. Because of my "unwashed hands", my doily was made with brown yarn >> instead of the pretty white yarn some other students received. (The >> materials were provided by the school.) >> >> Salzburg is/was a very Catholic city and all the refugees from my >> mother's village, Kisker, were Lutheran. Religious education was >> included >> in the curriculum. The priest came six days a week for Catholic >> instruction, and Lutheran students were excused. I don't remember what we >> did with that time, but I think we had fun. The Lutheran teacher came >> twice a week. The Catholic students had no doubt that we Lutherans would >> never share heaven with them. On the other hand, on Fridays, if any meat >> was available, we could happily eat it while they could not. >> >> I did get an excellent education, especially in reading, and when I >> arrived in the US, learning English and reading were really easy. I was >> also ahead in handwriting and arithmetic. The treatment by American >> teachers was so different from my Austrian teacher--what a contrast--no >> more rulers hitting my hands. I started liking school in the US! >> >> On food--my mother made Zwetschgenknoedel just as Eve's mom did--dough >> wrapped around pitted prune plums, dropped in boiling water, and then >> browned with sweetened bread crumbs. She didn't make it very often >> because >> it was something of a bother to make and she was always working and tired >> after a full day at work. Her favorite thing to make with prune plums >> was >> Zwetschgenkuchen, a sweet yeast dough topped with sliced prune plums, >> dollops of sour cream and sprinkled with sugar. She made that pretty >> often, whenever prune plums were available, and we all enjoyed it. >> >> I would like to make this Zwetschgenkuchen sometime, and know how to >> prepare the yeast dough; however, I'm not too sure about the topping. >> Are >> the prune plums put on the dough skin side up or skin side down? How >> much >> sugar gets sprinkled over the top, and about how much sour cream is used? >> >> Chris Spooner >> >> >> >> On Saturday, September 2, 2017, 4:23:40 PM EDT, Franz via >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> After the war, I went to school in the DP Camp in Groedig, Austria, >> about 12 Km from Salzburg. We had all ages in a one room classroom, and >> we started out using small chalkboards. Paper and pencils were not >> available until 1947, and by then, classes were divided into grades one >> through three in one group and four through five in the other. Boys and >> girls....all together. Our teacher was also a refugee, but lived in a >> local farmer's house (also did some farmwork to earn his food and >> lodging). In my second and third grade years, our teacher was strict, >> and used the 'paddle' when he deemed it necessary to maintain control. I >> was never paddled because the thought of a getting a paddling , and then >> my mother hearing about it, apart from the shame, it would only lead to >> another paddling from mom, kind of a two-for-one-deal. That did not >> appeal to me, so I behaved. :-) >> On the brighter side, we took many walking class trips into the >> surrounding areas, and that was a treat...just to get out of the room, >> out of that camp. Once we even visited the nearby German border where we >> learned about the 'roten Streich auf der Landkarte'. In class, our >> teacher often smoked Pall Mall cigarettes while teaching, and as a >> treat, he oftentimes read a Chapter of a Karl Mai American Western >> fiction book. Those readings were real treats....it brough dreams of >> foreign sights I never knew I'd see....little did I know that I'd wind >> up in America one day and see those badlands with my own eyes. When I >> was able to attend sixth grade (1951), I had to travel from Groedig to >> Salzburg on the train. The last traincar was reserved only for students >> because of the noise they made. The conductors never were friendly to us >> Lager-students, and it was my first introduction to being considered >> 'different'. Once, I forgot my student pass, so the conductor kicked me >> off the train and I had to walk 10 KM home...in a snowstorm. (He never >> checked for the pass on the trip to school) I never forgot that >> trainpass again..never! I saw similar discrimination in the Hauptschule >> in Austria, though a few of the teachers were empathetic. However, I was >> one of the few Auslaender (foreigners) in that school, and my heart >> always felt the pain of being considered 'second class'....not knowing >> why, other than I was not Austrian. It was somewhat subtle, a sideways >> look, a whispered comment, a mocking laugh at the meager lunch I >> brought, always being chosen last for recess play teams, my clothes >> were laughed at......quite a hurtful education that has stayed with >> me...till today, at age 77! >> On 9/2/2017 8:09 AM, Dennis Bauer via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES wrote: >> > Cuz...ok to use this in our new club newsletter? Den >> > >> > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >> > >> > On Thursday, August 31, 2017 Rose Vetter via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> > I was born in Neusatz (Novi Sad) in the Batschka. I started school in >> 1942, I think it was in the fall, a time of war and political upheaval. >> In >> 1941 Hungary, as a member of the Axis powers, had reclaimed the larger >> part >> of the Batschka which they had lost to Yugoslavia after World War I. We >> were once again in Hungary without having moved! The official language >> and >> the bureaucracy became Hungarian, the street signs were changed to >> Hungarian, etc. I never forget my first days at school. Outfitted with a >> new schoolbag, a wood-framed slate, slate pencils and an abacus, I was >> quite excited about my new adventure. My mother walked me to school, and >> again on the second day. When the third day came around, I was expected >> to >> go alone, but I refused; I cried and insisted that Mom to come with me. >> When I couldn't be persuaded, my father gave me a spanking. That worked. >> From that day on, I promised myself I would behave, rather than risk >> getting a spanking again--and I didn't. As for corporal punishment by the >> teachers, that was accepted in those times. I remember that boys in >> particular bore the brunt of the teachers' anger by getting the end of >> the >> rod. Minor infractions were usually dealt with by a slap on the cheek. I >> remember getting slapped once and being so humiliated that I tried to >> hide >> the red streaks on my cheek from my parents. Those certainly were >> different >> times and we've come a long way. I grew up speaking three languages: >> German >> at home, and Serbian and Hungarian outside the home and at school. At >> that >> time the German Sütterlin or Fraktur script was still taught, but I had >> to >> switch to the Latin script once we got to Germany. Our lessons were >> mainly >> in Hungarian. I remember being able to sing the whole Hungarian anthem >> off >> by heart. When my mother, sister and I packed our bags for our flight in >> October 1944, I made sure I included my Hungarian schoolbook, which I >> kept >> for a long time. Unfortunately, once we were in Germany and I was no >> longer >> exposed to the Serbian and Hungarian languages, I forgot them in a short >> time, which I regret to this day. Unfortunately, my schooling was >> disrupted >> by the accelerating war conditions and bombing of the city, so I was not >> able to attend much school during grade 2. We lived only a block away >> from >> the Danube, right across the famous Peterwardein fortress, between the >> two >> main bridges which were the constant targets of Allied bombers. I will >> never forget being awakened by the air raid sirens in the middle of the >> night and rushing to a nearby air raid shelter. Some nights we didn't >> bother to get up, but the night our home was turned into a pile of >> rubble, >> we had been in the shelter, otherwise I would not be alive today. About a >> month later we boarded one of the last refugee trains to leave Neusatz. >> Rose On 29 August 2017 at 22:21, DVHH-L Administrator via >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Forwarding to the mailing list. > Darlene > >> > ----------------------------------------------- >> > Darlene Dimitrie > DVHH-L Email List Administrator > > On 29 August >> > 2017 >> at 15:42, Hans Kopp <[email protected]> wrote: > > > We were very >> unfortunately and had our schooling interrupted by three > > years in >> Gakowa > > A dead camp were the people were taken to die. I started >> Kindergarten at > > age 6 because in Yugoslavia children started the >> school >> at seven. Now we > > had two age groups in one class. The girl school was >> located in the nuns > > monastery wile the boys went to the boys school. >> We >> were more than 100 > boys > > in the school. The girls so what less and >> therefore it was necessary to > > take t he July ages of the boys to go >> with the girls to school. I found > > there was actually no corporal >> punishments by the nouns. > > When we were deported to Gakowa, several of >> the priest there attempted to > > hold school in the houses, but the was >> forbidden and stopped when several > > of the priests were taken out of >> the >> camp and some of them were killed > and > > became Mardirers > > When I >> came to Austria I had lost 3 years of school and had to go to > > school >> with children 3 years younger. Here in Austria we still had > corpora > > >> punishment, like putting someone over the knee or hitting on the hand > >> with > > the rulers or standind outside in front of the door. But we grew >> up to > > become successful citizen of Austria or the USA. I still visit >> my >> school > > friends in Austria. I even skied with in 2003. Since than >> several have > > passed away. Two years ago I did visit my friend I >> usually >> stay with to > > celebrate the 60 anniversary of the sports club there I >> was a founder and > > was honored with several items. I also learned the >> soccer team I > captioned > > is among the top team in the league and >> their >> youth teams have won > several > > championship in their respective >> leagues. > > > > > > Sent from my iPa > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug >> 28, >> 2017, at 11:12 AM, DVHH-L Administrator via > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < >> [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Hello everyone, >> > > > > > > Conversation on the list has been kind of slow lately. Guess >> everyone > is > > > busy enjoying summer! > > > > > > Was just thinking >> about the kids going back to school and wondering > about > > > school >> back >> in the old country. My mom went to school from the ages of > > > 7-12, >> for >> five grades. She repeated grade 3 because she was very sick > > that > > >> > >> year and missed a lot of school. It was a one-room schoolhouse. She > > > >> really liked watching Little House on the Prairie. The school and life > >> > >> > reminded her of home. At some point it was divided into 2 rooms, for > >> > > >> older > > > and younger kids. > > > Yes, there was someone who stuck her >> pigtails in the inkwell! They had > > > slates to do their work. One of >> her >> "friends" used to change her > answers > > > to incorrect ones so my mom >> would get in trouble. > > > My uncle has an incredible knowledge of >> European history. He told me > > that > > > because there was not a lot >> of >> books available they had to really learn > > and > > > remember what they >> had been told, which is why he still remembers all > > this. > > > > > > >> She learned Serbian, both in Latin and Cyrillic letters and German in > > >> both > > > Latin and Gothic. She also spoke a smattering of other >> languages >> > because > > > of going to two different markets each week to sell farm >> produce. She > > > really loved working at the markets. > > > She lived >> in >> Hrastovac in western Slavonia, a town of about 700-800 > > > residents. >> She >> always felt under-educated here in Canada because she > > only > > > went >> to 5 grades, but I think she was quite intelligent and knew as > much > > >> as > > > people who went through the whole elementary and secondary >> school >> > > systems. > > > Maybe not the calculus and trigonometry, but the >> languages, everyday > > > mathematics, history and geography and she >> certainly knew a lot of > > growing > > > crops and raising farm animals >> and how to fix just about anything. > Very > > > practical life skills! > >> > >> > > > > Would anyone like to share stories about school life, especially >> those > of > > > you who went to school there? When did school start? >> What >> months did > it > > > run? Did you get let out at certain times to help >> in >> the fields? What > > were > > > your teachers like? Where did they come >> from? 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Guten Tag und vielen Dank. Wo bekommt man noch Bilder von Anna Massong ? Anna Massong geborene Mayer geboren am 12.8.1886 2017-09-07 1:01 GMT+02:00 Kurt <[email protected]>: > Wonderful, Thank you for clearing that up Karen Dalton Preston.. > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected]; [email protected] > *Cc:* [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] > rootsweb.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 6, 2017 6:41 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [BANAT-L] Anna Massong > > I have many Massong ancestors, but am not clear on the original request. > Nor do I speak or read German. Therefore, if someone could state the > original request about information on the Massong line I would be happy to > share anything I might have collected through the years of looking for them. > > Anne Leptich (married to Ron whose paternal grandmother was Eva Massong > from Neupanat) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karen Dalton Preston <[email protected]> > To: Kurt <[email protected]> > Cc: Banat email list <[email protected]>; dellmatthias < > [email protected]>; DVHH <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, Sep 6, 2017 5:57 am > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Anna Massong > > The MASSONG and MUSCHONG surnames are derived from very different roots. > MASSONG was originally the French MASSON MUSCHONG was originally MOUGEON or > MOUGON, becoming MUSCHON, and eventually MUSCHONG. Both surnames originated > in the French province of Lorraine. —Karen > On Sep 6, 2017, at 5:27 AM, > Kurt <[email protected]> wrote: > > Just curious if anyone knows is > MUSSONG and MUSCHONG are the same family in the Banat? Seems like a radicle > (pre -Banat) spelling change, but all seem to be from the same general area > near St Hebert / Szecsenfalva etc.. My thought was the spellings were from > antiquity... Does the Stader list the colonist name name Massong Mussong > Muschong ///// under "one" name or... "both" / similar spellings? Thank You > > > From: Judith Ottinger <[email protected]> > To: 'Glenn > Schwartz' <[email protected]>; 'Banat email list' < > [email protected]>; 'DVHH' <[email protected]>; > [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 8:48 PM > > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Anna Massong > > Ancestry has a Stefan Massong and > Anna Massong who left from Hamburg and arrived in New York 6 March 1910 on > the Ship President Lincoln going to St. Paul, Minnesota. According to the > Hamburg ship manifest Stefan was born in Lazarfold & Anna in Szecsenfalva. > Steven & Anna are in the 1910 Census but I haven't been able to find them > in the 1920 Census. > > Judy > > -----Original Message----- > From: BANAT [ > mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected]?>] On Behalf Of > Glenn Schwartz > Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 2:21 PM > To: Banat email > list <[email protected]>; DVHH <[email protected]>; > [email protected] > Subject: [BANAT-L] Anna Massong > > Matthias > Dell, a contact of mine from Germany, is seeking help tracking down Anna > Massong (born Mayer) who immigrated to Minnesota after WWII. > His original > German message and a Google translation are below. His email address is > included above. > > Meine Uroma Anna Massong ist nach dem Krieg in die USA > ausgewandert. > Sie hat dort in Minnesota gewohnt und ist dort auch > gestorben. > An wen kann man sich wenden um an Melde oder Sterbedaten zu > kommen? > > My Uroma Anna Massong emigrated to the USA after the war. > She > lived there in Minnesota and died there. > Who can you turn to for > registration or stereotypes? > > -- > Glenn Schwartz > > President, > Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) > Searching: > Schwartz, Kleckner, Schönherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Schüssler, Millecker, > Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Schwartz, Kory, Pierson/Person in Morawitza, > Banat; Kalupsky/Chalupsky in Blumenthal, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in > Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, > Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. > Email: [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, > please send an email to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, > please send an email to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send > an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Ronnie, Looking at the NY passenger lists, it seems that either your great-grandparents Michael and Katharina Andre traveled back and forth several times over the years, or there’s unfortunately other folks with the same names clouding the issue. I can send you some digital images off-list if you like, but to sum up: Michael Andre born ca 1862-1865 1. Arrived in New York on 14 Feb 1896 on the ship Westernland out of Antwerp, Belgium, destination: Youngstown, PA. He appears to have been traveling alone. 2. Arrived in New York on 19 Aug 1902 on the ship Kronzprinz Wilhelm out of Bremen, destination: Youngstown, PA. He appears to have been traveling alone, going to meet someone named Johann Wagner. 3. Arrived in New York on 3 Oct 1905 on the ship Kaiser Wilhelm II out of Bremen. He was traveling with wife Katharina (born ca 1872) and son Friederich Michael (born ca 1896). Destination appears to be Niles, Ohio. 4. Arrived in New York on 7 Oct 1910 on the ship Carpathia out of Fiume. He was traveling with daughter Borbala (Barbara, born ca. 1897). Says he is going to meet his wife in New York. Also: Katie Andre + two children arrived in New York on 30 Jul 1902 on the ship Koenigen Louise. They were temporarily detained while awaiting money from her husband Michael. His address is given as Niles, Ohio. Rosine Andre (born ca 1890) arrived in New York on 14 Jan 1904 on the ship Brandenburg out of Bremen. She may have traveled alone; there were two other adults from Kovacsi on the ship, Elisabetha Enders and Johann Tanczes, but unclear if any relationship. Says she is going to meet her father at McKees Rocks, PA. Taking a very quick look at census records, I see that the 1920 US Census has a Michael and Kathryn Andre living alone in Niles Ward 2, Trumbull, Ohio, and it mentions that they were both naturalized citizens. The years that each first arrived in the US match the ship records above (1896 for Michael, 1902 for Kathryn)… but obviously they didn’t return to the old country for good before WWI. Perhaps that’s a misunderstanding, or that there’s some confusion with other relatives? Because I also found other Andres from Kovaczi: There is another Andre family from Kovaczi that arrived in New York on 20 Oct 1908 - perhaps related to your Andre family. Their names are Johann (born ca 1880), wife Katharina (born ca. 1883) and daughter Katharina (born ca. 1906). They were going to meet Johann's father-in-law, Johannes Schmitt. Katarin Andre (born ca 1868) from Kovaczi that arrived in New York on 23 Nov 1910 on the ship Cleveland out of Cuxhaven. She was traveling with two children, Mihaly (Michael, born ca 1903) and Janos (Johann, born ca 1908), going to meet sister-in-law Borbala Andre in New York. If you have some other names or specific information in hand you might be able to determine which if any of these people are relatives, and then go forward from there. Cheers, Linda On Sep 7, 2017, at 8:18 AM, Ronnie McDermott via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > Looking for my Grandfather's (Michael Andre) sister who came to America to McKees Rocks, Pennsylvania in the early 1900's. Her one sister, Rosina, settled there but we know nothing of Barbara and another sister, Katharina. They were born in Covaci, Romania. Their parents were Michael and Katharina (Jung) Andre. They were in America too for a period of time but returned to Covaci, Romania before WWI. > Thank you, > Ronnie McDermott > > > Sent from my iPad > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a response from Justine, but sent only to me but I'm sure intended for the whole list. Hi all, I just made our zwetschgen kuchen yesterday and its been a very long time since I had a terrible time finding prune-plums here in PA. My dough is made with egg yolks, scalded milk, yeast, butter and a little sugar. after it rises, I put it in the pans and dip the washed pitted and halved plums skin side down after coating them with sugar, cinnamon and a little flour. dot with a little more butter, let rise again about 30-45 min depending how warm the kitchen is and bake at 350 for 30-45 minutes depending how thick the dough is and your oven peculiarities are. It was so good, I had to munch on it all night. There goes my diet!my dough is similar to the Hungarians but after all, the folk Deutsch often stopped in Hungary before moving on to Croatia in a generation or 2 so there was much mixing of recipes or all sorts of nuances depending on where our people came from and settled. In my family, we were more into German cooking but my cousin's family made Sarma for instance, with tomato juice ( the Hungarian way, while we made our with plain sauerkraut. I was able to find a wonderful cook book called June Meyers Authentic Hungarian Heirloom Recipes, 3rd edition, 2012. She translated many recipes similar to ours into english, using american weights and measure for those of us who are unfamiliar with German or Hungarian. Many of the recipes are very similar to our cuisine but may be called differently. I think I got it on Amazon but cant exactly remember. It also gives a little history of the Donnauschwaben if you are interested.Also the ladies of the Trenton Donnauschwben Verien club put together a very nice recipe book of the old time favorites and if you email then they would be tickled to send you a copy for $12, I think. Since I am the oldest girl and was still born in Austria while we were in a DP camp....I want to keep the old customs and cooking going. My American family sometimes love it and sometimes just humor me. I hope that my only grandaughter will make these dishes someday too and tell the stories of our ancestors through food. Best wishes to our cooks Justine Zentner 9/5/2017 3:25 PM, Eve via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES wrote: > Hi Christine (cousin), > > The plum kuchen I'm pretty sure it's pit side up (without the pit of > course). Mama made this often too and again for me it wasn't a favorite > because I didn't like the cooked plums. I recently found a recipe on > pinterest that uses a cake mix for the crust and used berries for the fruit > part - love it.....but I'm now hankering for the the prune plums and have > some at home so I just may have to try it with this recipe too. > > Eve > > On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Christine Spooner via > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > > This recent e-mail traffic brings back so many memories. I was born in a >> refugee camp in the Hotel Europa at the train station in Salzburg and then >> spent the next nine years of my life in the Sitzenheim Lager in Maxglan in >> Salzburg. School in Austria was no fun, but I didn't know anything else. >> When I arrived in school at age six, life in Austria had settled down a >> little after the war, but Austria was still very poor and full of >> refugees. The teachers did not like us refugees and made it pretty >> obvious. >> >> My school was an all-girls' elementary school from grades 1 to 4. I had >> the same teacher all four years. The ruler in the teacher's hand was >> always ready to strike my hand if the teacher thought I misbehaved, which >> was pretty often. (I never thought I misbehaved!) Often there were >> comments to me and some of the other refugee girls about "don't you wash >> your hands?" What the teachers didn't think about was that there was no >> running water in the barracks where we lived; my mother had to take pails >> over to the next barrack where there was one spigot with cold water for >> about three other barracks. The toilets were a large six-hole outhouse >> across the road that separated the rows of barracks. The school did have >> one regular flush toilet--the only one I had seen at that point. We had >> to >> ask permission to use the toilet and the teachers rationed out the toilet >> paper. >> >> In addition to the three RRR's, handcrafts were also taught. We made an >> embroidery stitch sampler in the first grade and later made a crocheted >> doily. Because of my "unwashed hands", my doily was made with brown yarn >> instead of the pretty white yarn some other students received. (The >> materials were provided by the school.) >> >> Salzburg is/was a very Catholic city and all the refugees from my mother's >> village, Kisker, were Lutheran. Religious education was included in the >> curriculum. The priest came six days a week for Catholic instruction, and >> Lutheran students were excused. I don't remember what we did with that >> time, but I think we had fun. The Lutheran teacher came twice a week. >> The >> Catholic students had no doubt that we Lutherans would never share heaven >> with them. On the other hand, on Fridays, if any meat was available, we >> could happily eat it while they could not. >> >> I did get an excellent education, especially in reading, and when I >> arrived in the US, learning English and reading were really easy. I was >> also ahead in handwriting and arithmetic. The treatment by American >> teachers was so different from my Austrian teacher--what a contrast--no >> more rulers hitting my hands. I started liking school in the US! >> >> On food--my mother made Zwetschgenknoedel just as Eve's mom did--dough >> wrapped around pitted prune plums, dropped in boiling water, and then >> browned with sweetened bread crumbs. She didn't make it very often >> because >> it was something of a bother to make and she was always working and tired >> after a full day at work. Her favorite thing to make with prune plums was >> Zwetschgenkuchen, a sweet yeast dough topped with sliced prune plums, >> dollops of sour cream and sprinkled with sugar. She made that pretty >> often, whenever prune plums were available, and we all enjoyed it. >> >> I would like to make this Zwetschgenkuchen sometime, and know how to >> prepare the yeast dough; however, I'm not too sure about the topping. Are >> the prune plums put on the dough skin side up or skin side down? How much >> sugar gets sprinkled over the top, and about how much sour cream is used? >> >> Chris Spooner >> >> >> >> On Saturday, September 2, 2017, 4:23:40 PM EDT, Franz via >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> After the war, I went to school in the DP Camp in Groedig, Austria, >> about 12 Km from Salzburg. We had all ages in a one room classroom, and >> we started out using small chalkboards. Paper and pencils were not >> available until 1947, and by then, classes were divided into grades one >> through three in one group and four through five in the other. Boys and >> girls....all together. Our teacher was also a refugee, but lived in a >> local farmer's house (also did some farmwork to earn his food and >> lodging). In my second and third grade years, our teacher was strict, >> and used the 'paddle' when he deemed it necessary to maintain control. I >> was never paddled because the thought of a getting a paddling , and then >> my mother hearing about it, apart from the shame, it would only lead to >> another paddling from mom, kind of a two-for-one-deal. That did not >> appeal to me, so I behaved. :-) >> On the brighter side, we took many walking class trips into the >> surrounding areas, and that was a treat...just to get out of the room, >> out of that camp. Once we even visited the nearby German border where we >> learned about the 'roten Streich auf der Landkarte'. In class, our >> teacher often smoked Pall Mall cigarettes while teaching, and as a >> treat, he oftentimes read a Chapter of a Karl Mai American Western >> fiction book. Those readings were real treats....it brough dreams of >> foreign sights I never knew I'd see....little did I know that I'd wind >> up in America one day and see those badlands with my own eyes. When I >> was able to attend sixth grade (1951), I had to travel from Groedig to >> Salzburg on the train. The last traincar was reserved only for students >> because of the noise they made. The conductors never were friendly to us >> Lager-students, and it was my first introduction to being considered >> 'different'. Once, I forgot my student pass, so the conductor kicked me >> off the train and I had to walk 10 KM home...in a snowstorm. (He never >> checked for the pass on the trip to school) I never forgot that >> trainpass again..never! I saw similar discrimination in the Hauptschule >> in Austria, though a few of the teachers were empathetic. However, I was >> one of the few Auslaender (foreigners) in that school, and my heart >> always felt the pain of being considered 'second class'....not knowing >> why, other than I was not Austrian. It was somewhat subtle, a sideways >> look, a whispered comment, a mocking laugh at the meager lunch I >> brought, always being chosen last for recess play teams, my clothes >> were laughed at......quite a hurtful education that has stayed with >> me...till today, at age 77! >> On 9/2/2017 8:09 AM, Dennis Bauer via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES wrote: >> >>> Cuz...ok to use this in our new club newsletter? Den >>> >>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >>> >>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 Rose Vetter via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < >>> >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I was born in Neusatz (Novi Sad) in the Batschka. I started school in >>> >> 1942, I think it was in the fall, a time of war and political upheaval. In >> 1941 Hungary, as a member of the Axis powers, had reclaimed the larger >> part >> of the Batschka which they had lost to Yugoslavia after World War I. We >> were once again in Hungary without having moved! The official language and >> the bureaucracy became Hungarian, the street signs were changed to >> Hungarian, etc. I never forget my first days at school. Outfitted with a >> new schoolbag, a wood-framed slate, slate pencils and an abacus, I was >> quite excited about my new adventure. My mother walked me to school, and >> again on the second day. When the third day came around, I was expected to >> go alone, but I refused; I cried and insisted that Mom to come with me. >> When I couldn't be persuaded, my father gave me a spanking. That worked. >> From that day on, I promised myself I would behave, rather than risk >> getting a spanking again--and I didn't. As for corporal punishment by the >> teachers, that was accepted in those times. I remember that boys in >> particular bore the brunt of the teachers' anger by getting the end of the >> rod. Minor infractions were usually dealt with by a slap on the cheek. I >> remember getting slapped once and being so humiliated that I tried to hide >> the red streaks on my cheek from my parents. Those certainly were >> different >> times and we've come a long way. I grew up speaking three languages: >> German >> at home, and Serbian and Hungarian outside the home and at school. At that >> time the German Sütterlin or Fraktur script was still taught, but I had to >> switch to the Latin script once we got to Germany. Our lessons were mainly >> in Hungarian. I remember being able to sing the whole Hungarian anthem off >> by heart. When my mother, sister and I packed our bags for our flight in >> October 1944, I made sure I included my Hungarian schoolbook, which I kept >> for a long time. Unfortunately, once we were in Germany and I was no >> longer >> exposed to the Serbian and Hungarian languages, I forgot them in a short >> time, which I regret to this day. Unfortunately, my schooling was >> disrupted >> by the accelerating war conditions and bombing of the city, so I was not >> able to attend much school during grade 2. We lived only a block away from >> the Danube, right across the famous Peterwardein fortress, between the two >> main bridges which were the constant targets of Allied bombers. I will >> never forget being awakened by the air raid sirens in the middle of the >> night and rushing to a nearby air raid shelter. Some nights we didn't >> bother to get up, but the night our home was turned into a pile of rubble, >> we had been in the shelter, otherwise I would not be alive today. About a >> month later we boarded one of the last refugee trains to leave Neusatz. >> Rose On 29 August 2017 at 22:21, DVHH-L Administrator via >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Forwarding to the mailing list. > Darlene > > >> ----------------------------------------------- >> >>> Darlene Dimitrie > DVHH-L Email List Administrator > > On 29 August 2017 >>> >> at 15:42, Hans Kopp <[email protected]> wrote: > > > We were very >> unfortunately and had our schooling interrupted by three > > years in >> Gakowa > > A dead camp were the people were taken to die. I started >> Kindergarten at > > age 6 because in Yugoslavia children started the >> school >> at seven. Now we > > had two age groups in one class. The girl school was >> located in the nuns > > monastery wile the boys went to the boys school. >> We >> were more than 100 > boys > > in the school. The girls so what less and >> therefore it was necessary to > > take t he July ages of the boys to go >> with the girls to school. I found > > there was actually no corporal >> punishments by the nouns. > > When we were deported to Gakowa, several of >> the priest there attempted to > > hold school in the houses, but the was >> forbidden and stopped when several > > of the priests were taken out of >> the >> camp and some of them were killed > and > > became Mardirers > > When I >> came to Austria I had lost 3 years of school and had to go to > > school >> with children 3 years younger. Here in Austria we still had > corpora > > >> punishment, like putting someone over the knee or hitting on the hand > >> with > > the rulers or standind outside in front of the door. But we grew >> up to > > become successful citizen of Austria or the USA. I still visit >> my >> school > > friends in Austria. I even skied with in 2003. Since than >> several have > > passed away. Two years ago I did visit my friend I >> usually >> stay with to > > celebrate the 60 anniversary of the sports club there I >> was a founder and > > was honored with several items. I also learned the >> soccer team I > captioned > > is among the top team in the league and >> their >> youth teams have won > several > > championship in their respective >> leagues. > > > > > > Sent from my iPa > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 28, >> 2017, at 11:12 AM, DVHH-L Administrator via > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < >> [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Hello everyone, > >> >>> Conversation on the list has been kind of slow lately. Guess >>>>>>> >>>>>> everyone > is > > > busy enjoying summer! > > > > > > Was just >> thinking >> about the kids going back to school and wondering > about > > > school >> back >> in the old country. My mom went to school from the ages of > > > 7-12, for >> five grades. She repeated grade 3 because she was very sick > > that > > > >> year and missed a lot of school. It was a one-room schoolhouse. She > > > >> really liked watching Little House on the Prairie. The school and life > > >> >>> reminded her of home. At some point it was divided into 2 rooms, for > > >>> >> older > > > and younger kids. > > > Yes, there was someone who stuck her >> pigtails in the inkwell! They had > > > slates to do their work. One of >> her >> "friends" used to change her > answers > > > to incorrect ones so my mom >> would get in trouble. > > > My uncle has an incredible knowledge of >> European history. He told me > > that > > > because there was not a lot of >> books available they had to really learn > > and > > > remember what they >> had been told, which is why he still remembers all > > this. > > > > > > >> She learned Serbian, both in Latin and Cyrillic letters and German in > > >> both > > > Latin and Gothic. She also spoke a smattering of other >> languages >> >>> because > > > of going to two different markets each week to sell farm >>> >> produce. She > > > really loved working at the markets. > > > She lived in >> Hrastovac in western Slavonia, a town of about 700-800 > > > residents. >> She >> always felt under-educated here in Canada because she > > only > > > went >> to 5 grades, but I think she was quite intelligent and knew as > much > > >> as > > > people who went through the whole elementary and secondary school >> >>> systems. > > > Maybe not the calculus and trigonometry, but the >>>> >>> languages, everyday > > > mathematics, history and geography and she >> certainly knew a lot of > > growing > > > crops and raising farm animals >> and how to fix just about anything. > Very > > > practical life skills! > >> > >> >>> Would anyone like to share stories about school life, especially >>>>>> >>>>> those > of > > > you who went to school there? When did school start? >> What >> months did > it > > > run? Did you get let out at certain times to help in >> the fields? What > > were > > > your teachers like? Where did they come >> from? How were things > different > > > in smaller towns and larger towns >> and cities. > > > > > > Feel free to share any other stories about >> childhood life during the > good > > > times. > > > > > > Darlene > > > > >> > >> >>> ----------------------------------------------- > > > Darlene >>>>>> >>>>> Dimitrie > > > DVHH-L Email List Administrator > > > > > > > > > >> ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, >> please send an email to > > [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the >> body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To >> unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send >> an email to [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> >> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

Looking for my Grandfather's (Michael Andre) sister who came to America to McKees Rocks, Pennsylvania in the early 1900's. Her one sister, Rosina, settled there but we know nothing of Barbara and another sister, Katharina. They were born in Covaci, Romania. Their parents were Michael and Katharina (Jung) Andre. They were in America too for a period of time but returned to Covaci, Romania before WWI. Thank you, Ronnie McDermott Sent from my iPad

Hi all.  Would anyone have access to information from Miletitsch? Looking for the parents of Michael Haas and also the parents of wife Theresia Schmidt. Both were born around 1845 or before. Thanks, Ray Reu

Wonderful, Thank you for clearing that up Karen Dalton Preston.. From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Anna Massong I have many Massong ancestors, but am not clear on the original request.  Nor do I speak or read German.  Therefore, if someone could state the original request about information on the Massong line I would be happy to share anything I might have collected through the years of looking for them. Anne Leptich (married to Ron whose paternal grandmother was Eva Massong from Neupanat) -----Original Message----- From: Karen Dalton Preston <[email protected]> To: Kurt <[email protected]> Cc: Banat email list <[email protected]>; dellmatthias <[email protected]>; DVHH <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Sep 6, 2017 5:57 am Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Anna Massong The MASSONG and MUSCHONG surnames are derived from very different roots. MASSONG was originally the French MASSONMUSCHONG was originally MOUGEON or MOUGON, becoming MUSCHON, and eventually MUSCHONG. Both surnames originated in the French province of Lorraine.—Karen> On Sep 6, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Kurt <[email protected]> wrote:> > Just curious if anyone knows is MUSSONG and MUSCHONG are the same family in the Banat? Seems like a radicle (pre -Banat) spelling change, but all seem to be from the same general area near St Hebert / Szecsenfalva etc.. My thought was the spellings were from antiquity... Does the Stader list the colonist name name Massong Mussong Muschong ///// under "one" name or... "both" / similar spellings? Thank You> > From: Judith Ottinger <[email protected]>> To: 'Glenn Schwartz' <[email protected]>; 'Banat email list' <[email protected]>; 'DVHH' <[email protected]>; [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 8:48 PM> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Anna Massong> > Ancestry has a Stefan Massong and Anna Massong who left from Hamburg and arrived in New York 6 March 1910 on the Ship President Lincoln going to St. Paul, Minnesota. According to the Hamburg ship manifest Stefan was born in Lazarfold & Anna in Szecsenfalva. Steven & Anna are in the 1910 Census but I haven't been able to find them in the 1920 Census.> > Judy> > -----Original Message-----> From: BANAT [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glenn Schwartz> Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 2:21 PM> To: Banat email list <[email protected]>; DVHH <[email protected]>; [email protected]> Subject: [BANAT-L] Anna Massong> > Matthias Dell, a contact of mine from Germany, is seeking help tracking down Anna Massong (born Mayer) who immigrated to Minnesota after WWII. > His original German message and a Google translation are below. His email address is included above.> > Meine Uroma Anna Massong ist nach dem Krieg in die USA ausgewandert.> Sie hat dort in Minnesota gewohnt und ist dort auch gestorben.> An wen kann man sich wenden um an Melde oder Sterbedaten zu kommen?> > My Uroma Anna Massong emigrated to the USA after the war.> She lived there in Minnesota and died there.> Who can you turn to for registration or stereotypes?> > --> Glenn Schwartz> > President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org)> Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Schönherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Schüssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Schwartz, Kory, Pierson/Person in Morawitza, Banat; Kalupsky/Chalupsky in Blumenthal, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia.> Email: [email protected]> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > ---> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.> http://www.avg.com> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have many Massong ancestors, but am not clear on the original request.  Nor do I speak or read German.  Therefore, if someone could state the original request about information on the Massong line I would be happy to share anything I might have collected through the years of looking for them. Anne Leptich (married to Ron whose paternal grandmother was Eva Massong from Neupanat) -----Original Message----- From: Karen Dalton Preston <[email protected]> To: Kurt <[email protected]> Cc: Banat email list <[email protected]>; dellmatthias <[email protected]>; DVHH <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Sep 6, 2017 5:57 am Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Anna Massong The MASSONG and MUSCHONG surnames are derived from very different roots. MASSONG was originally the French MASSON MUSCHONG was originally MOUGEON or MOUGON, becoming MUSCHON, and eventually MUSCHONG. Both surnames originated in the French province of Lorraine. —Karen > On Sep 6, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Kurt <[email protected]> wrote: > > Just curious if anyone knows is MUSSONG and MUSCHONG are the same family in the Banat? Seems like a radicle (pre -Banat) spelling change, but all seem to be from the same general area near St Hebert / Szecsenfalva etc.. My thought was the spellings were from antiquity... Does the Stader list the colonist name name Massong Mussong Muschong ///// under "one" name or... "both" / similar spellings? Thank You > > From: Judith Ottinger <[email protected]> > To: 'Glenn Schwartz' <[email protected]>; 'Banat email list' <[email protected]>; 'DVHH' <[email protected]>; [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 8:48 PM > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Anna Massong > > Ancestry has a Stefan Massong and Anna Massong who left from Hamburg and arrived in New York 6 March 1910 on the Ship President Lincoln going to St. Paul, Minnesota. According to the Hamburg ship manifest Stefan was born in Lazarfold & Anna in Szecsenfalva. Steven & Anna are in the 1910 Census but I haven't been able to find them in the 1920 Census. > > Judy > > -----Original Message----- > From: BANAT [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glenn Schwartz > Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 2:21 PM > To: Banat email list <[email protected]>; DVHH <[email protected]>; [email protected] > Subject: [BANAT-L] Anna Massong > > Matthias Dell, a contact of mine from Germany, is seeking help tracking down Anna Massong (born Mayer) who immigrated to Minnesota after WWII. > His original German message and a Google translation are below. His email address is included above. > > Meine Uroma Anna Massong ist nach dem Krieg in die USA ausgewandert. > Sie hat dort in Minnesota gewohnt und ist dort auch gestorben. > An wen kann man sich wenden um an Melde oder Sterbedaten zu kommen? > > My Uroma Anna Massong emigrated to the USA after the war. > She lived there in Minnesota and died there. > Who can you turn to for registration or stereotypes? > > -- > Glenn Schwartz > > President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) > Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Schönherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Schüssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Schwartz, Kory, Pierson/Person in Morawitza, Banat; Kalupsky/Chalupsky in Blumenthal, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. > Email: [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found this to be an interesting article. I know this type of thing took place in the 1940's also. http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/birn-film-on-wartime-home-swaps-gets-tv-premiere-09-04-2017?utm_source=Balkan+Transitional+Justice+Daily+Newsletter+-+NEW&utm_campaign=db2359c87f-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a1d9e93e97-db2359c87f-319777285

Just curious if anyone knows is MUSSONG and MUSCHONG are the same family in the Banat? Seems like a radicle (pre -Banat)  spelling change,  but all seem to be from the same general area near St Hebert / Szecsenfalva etc.. My thought  was the spellings were from antiquity...  Does the Stader list the colonist name name Massong Mussong Muschong /////  under "one" name or... "both" / similar spellings? Thank You From: Judith Ottinger <[email protected]> To: 'Glenn Schwartz' <[email protected]>; 'Banat email list' <[email protected]>; 'DVHH' <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Anna Massong Ancestry has a Stefan Massong and Anna Massong who left from Hamburg and arrived in New York 6 March 1910 on the Ship President Lincoln going to St. Paul, Minnesota.  According to the Hamburg ship manifest Stefan was born in Lazarfold & Anna in Szecsenfalva.  Steven & Anna are in the 1910 Census but I haven't been able to find them in the 1920 Census. Judy -----Original Message----- From: BANAT [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glenn Schwartz Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 2:21 PM To: Banat email list <[email protected]>; DVHH <[email protected]>; [email protected] Subject: [BANAT-L] Anna Massong Matthias Dell, a contact of mine from Germany, is seeking help tracking down Anna Massong (born Mayer) who immigrated to Minnesota after WWII. His original German message and a Google translation are below. His email address is included above. Meine Uroma Anna Massong ist nach dem Krieg in die USA ausgewandert. Sie hat dort in Minnesota gewohnt und ist dort auch gestorben. An wen kann man sich wenden um an Melde oder Sterbedaten zu kommen? My Uroma Anna Massong emigrated to the USA after the war. She lived there in Minnesota and died there. Who can you turn to for registration or stereotypes? -- Glenn Schwartz President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Schönherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Schüssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Schwartz, Kory, Pierson/Person in Morawitza, Banat; Kalupsky/Chalupsky in Blumenthal, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. Email: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The MASSONG and MUSCHONG surnames are derived from very different roots. MASSONG was originally the French MASSON MUSCHONG was originally MOUGEON or MOUGON, becoming MUSCHON, and eventually MUSCHONG. Both surnames originated in the French province of Lorraine. —Karen > On Sep 6, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Kurt <[email protected]> wrote: > > Just curious if anyone knows is MUSSONG and MUSCHONG are the same family in the Banat? Seems like a radicle (pre -Banat) spelling change, but all seem to be from the same general area near St Hebert / Szecsenfalva etc.. My thought was the spellings were from antiquity... Does the Stader list the colonist name name Massong Mussong Muschong ///// under "one" name or... "both" / similar spellings? Thank You > > From: Judith Ottinger <[email protected]> > To: 'Glenn Schwartz' <[email protected]>; 'Banat email list' <[email protected]>; 'DVHH' <[email protected]>; [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 8:48 PM > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Anna Massong > > Ancestry has a Stefan Massong and Anna Massong who left from Hamburg and arrived in New York 6 March 1910 on the Ship President Lincoln going to St. Paul, Minnesota. According to the Hamburg ship manifest Stefan was born in Lazarfold & Anna in Szecsenfalva. Steven & Anna are in the 1910 Census but I haven't been able to find them in the 1920 Census. > > Judy > > -----Original Message----- > From: BANAT [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glenn Schwartz > Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 2:21 PM > To: Banat email list <[email protected]>; DVHH <[email protected]>; [email protected] > Subject: [BANAT-L] Anna Massong > > Matthias Dell, a contact of mine from Germany, is seeking help tracking down Anna Massong (born Mayer) who immigrated to Minnesota after WWII. > His original German message and a Google translation are below. His email address is included above. > > Meine Uroma Anna Massong ist nach dem Krieg in die USA ausgewandert. > Sie hat dort in Minnesota gewohnt und ist dort auch gestorben. > An wen kann man sich wenden um an Melde oder Sterbedaten zu kommen? > > My Uroma Anna Massong emigrated to the USA after the war. > She lived there in Minnesota and died there. > Who can you turn to for registration or stereotypes? > > -- > Glenn Schwartz > > President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) > Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Schönherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Schüssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Schwartz, Kory, Pierson/Person in Morawitza, Banat; Kalupsky/Chalupsky in Blumenthal, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. > Email: [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just made my plum Kuchen this evening and it turned out really good. I have adjusted my recipe that I used and submitted last year, using a half cup less flour. It's not as dry. It's late tonight so I will submit my revised recipe some time this week. Margaret >From my iPad > On Sep 5, 2017, at 3:25 PM, Eve via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Christine (cousin), > > The plum kuchen I'm pretty sure it's pit side up (without the pit of > course). Mama made this often too and again for me it wasn't a favorite > because I didn't like the cooked plums. I recently found a recipe on > pinterest that uses a cake mix for the crust and used berries for the fruit > part - love it.....but I'm now hankering for the the prune plums and have > some at home so I just may have to try it with this recipe too. > > Eve > > On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Christine Spooner via > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > >> This recent e-mail traffic brings back so many memories. I was born in a >> refugee camp in the Hotel Europa at the train station in Salzburg and then >> spent the next nine years of my life in the Sitzenheim Lager in Maxglan in >> Salzburg. School in Austria was no fun, but I didn't know anything else. >> When I arrived in school at age six, life in Austria had settled down a >> little after the war, but Austria was still very poor and full of >> refugees. The teachers did not like us refugees and made it pretty obvious. >> >> My school was an all-girls' elementary school from grades 1 to 4. I had >> the same teacher all four years. The ruler in the teacher's hand was >> always ready to strike my hand if the teacher thought I misbehaved, which >> was pretty often. (I never thought I misbehaved!) Often there were >> comments to me and some of the other refugee girls about "don't you wash >> your hands?" What the teachers didn't think about was that there was no >> running water in the barracks where we lived; my mother had to take pails >> over to the next barrack where there was one spigot with cold water for >> about three other barracks. The toilets were a large six-hole outhouse >> across the road that separated the rows of barracks. The school did have >> one regular flush toilet--the only one I had seen at that point. We had to >> ask permission to use the toilet and the teachers rationed out the toilet >> paper. >> >> In addition to the three RRR's, handcrafts were also taught. We made an >> embroidery stitch sampler in the first grade and later made a crocheted >> doily. Because of my "unwashed hands", my doily was made with brown yarn >> instead of the pretty white yarn some other students received. (The >> materials were provided by the school.) >> >> Salzburg is/was a very Catholic city and all the refugees from my mother's >> village, Kisker, were Lutheran. Religious education was included in the >> curriculum. The priest came six days a week for Catholic instruction, and >> Lutheran students were excused. I don't remember what we did with that >> time, but I think we had fun. The Lutheran teacher came twice a week. The >> Catholic students had no doubt that we Lutherans would never share heaven >> with them. On the other hand, on Fridays, if any meat was available, we >> could happily eat it while they could not. >> >> I did get an excellent education, especially in reading, and when I >> arrived in the US, learning English and reading were really easy. I was >> also ahead in handwriting and arithmetic. The treatment by American >> teachers was so different from my Austrian teacher--what a contrast--no >> more rulers hitting my hands. I started liking school in the US! >> >> On food--my mother made Zwetschgenknoedel just as Eve's mom did--dough >> wrapped around pitted prune plums, dropped in boiling water, and then >> browned with sweetened bread crumbs. She didn't make it very often because >> it was something of a bother to make and she was always working and tired >> after a full day at work. Her favorite thing to make with prune plums was >> Zwetschgenkuchen, a sweet yeast dough topped with sliced prune plums, >> dollops of sour cream and sprinkled with sugar. She made that pretty >> often, whenever prune plums were available, and we all enjoyed it. >> >> I would like to make this Zwetschgenkuchen sometime, and know how to >> prepare the yeast dough; however, I'm not too sure about the topping. Are >> the prune plums put on the dough skin side up or skin side down? How much >> sugar gets sprinkled over the top, and about how much sour cream is used? >> >> Chris Spooner >> >> >> >> On Saturday, September 2, 2017, 4:23:40 PM EDT, Franz via >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> After the war, I went to school in the DP Camp in Groedig, Austria, >> about 12 Km from Salzburg. We had all ages in a one room classroom, and >> we started out using small chalkboards. Paper and pencils were not >> available until 1947, and by then, classes were divided into grades one >> through three in one group and four through five in the other. Boys and >> girls....all together. Our teacher was also a refugee, but lived in a >> local farmer's house (also did some farmwork to earn his food and >> lodging). In my second and third grade years, our teacher was strict, >> and used the 'paddle' when he deemed it necessary to maintain control. I >> was never paddled because the thought of a getting a paddling , and then >> my mother hearing about it, apart from the shame, it would only lead to >> another paddling from mom, kind of a two-for-one-deal. That did not >> appeal to me, so I behaved. :-) >> On the brighter side, we took many walking class trips into the >> surrounding areas, and that was a treat...just to get out of the room, >> out of that camp. Once we even visited the nearby German border where we >> learned about the 'roten Streich auf der Landkarte'. In class, our >> teacher often smoked Pall Mall cigarettes while teaching, and as a >> treat, he oftentimes read a Chapter of a Karl Mai American Western >> fiction book. Those readings were real treats....it brough dreams of >> foreign sights I never knew I'd see....little did I know that I'd wind >> up in America one day and see those badlands with my own eyes. When I >> was able to attend sixth grade (1951), I had to travel from Groedig to >> Salzburg on the train. The last traincar was reserved only for students >> because of the noise they made. The conductors never were friendly to us >> Lager-students, and it was my first introduction to being considered >> 'different'. Once, I forgot my student pass, so the conductor kicked me >> off the train and I had to walk 10 KM home...in a snowstorm. (He never >> checked for the pass on the trip to school) I never forgot that >> trainpass again..never! I saw similar discrimination in the Hauptschule >> in Austria, though a few of the teachers were empathetic. However, I was >> one of the few Auslaender (foreigners) in that school, and my heart >> always felt the pain of being considered 'second class'....not knowing >> why, other than I was not Austrian. It was somewhat subtle, a sideways >> look, a whispered comment, a mocking laugh at the meager lunch I >> brought, always being chosen last for recess play teams, my clothes >> were laughed at......quite a hurtful education that has stayed with >> me...till today, at age 77! >>> On 9/2/2017 8:09 AM, Dennis Bauer via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES wrote: >>> Cuz...ok to use this in our new club newsletter? Den >>> >>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >>> >>>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 Rose Vetter via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> I was born in Neusatz (Novi Sad) in the Batschka. I started school in >> 1942, I think it was in the fall, a time of war and political upheaval. In >> 1941 Hungary, as a member of the Axis powers, had reclaimed the larger part >> of the Batschka which they had lost to Yugoslavia after World War I. We >> were once again in Hungary without having moved! The official language and >> the bureaucracy became Hungarian, the street signs were changed to >> Hungarian, etc. I never forget my first days at school. Outfitted with a >> new schoolbag, a wood-framed slate, slate pencils and an abacus, I was >> quite excited about my new adventure. My mother walked me to school, and >> again on the second day. When the third day came around, I was expected to >> go alone, but I refused; I cried and insisted that Mom to come with me. >> When I couldn't be persuaded, my father gave me a spanking. That worked. >> From that day on, I promised myself I would behave, rather than risk >> getting a spanking again--and I didn't. As for corporal punishment by the >> teachers, that was accepted in those times. I remember that boys in >> particular bore the brunt of the teachers' anger by getting the end of the >> rod. Minor infractions were usually dealt with by a slap on the cheek. I >> remember getting slapped once and being so humiliated that I tried to hide >> the red streaks on my cheek from my parents. Those certainly were different >> times and we've come a long way. I grew up speaking three languages: German >> at home, and Serbian and Hungarian outside the home and at school. At that >> time the German Sütterlin or Fraktur script was still taught, but I had to >> switch to the Latin script once we got to Germany. Our lessons were mainly >> in Hungarian. I remember being able to sing the whole Hungarian anthem off >> by heart. When my mother, sister and I packed our bags for our flight in >> October 1944, I made sure I included my Hungarian schoolbook, which I kept >> for a long time. Unfortunately, once we were in Germany and I was no longer >> exposed to the Serbian and Hungarian languages, I forgot them in a short >> time, which I regret to this day. Unfortunately, my schooling was disrupted >> by the accelerating war conditions and bombing of the city, so I was not >> able to attend much school during grade 2. We lived only a block away from >> the Danube, right across the famous Peterwardein fortress, between the two >> main bridges which were the constant targets of Allied bombers. I will >> never forget being awakened by the air raid sirens in the middle of the >> night and rushing to a nearby air raid shelter. Some nights we didn't >> bother to get up, but the night our home was turned into a pile of rubble, >> we had been in the shelter, otherwise I would not be alive today. About a >> month later we boarded one of the last refugee trains to leave Neusatz. >> Rose On 29 August 2017 at 22:21, DVHH-L Administrator via >> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Forwarding to the mailing list. > Darlene > > ----------------------------------------------- >>> Darlene Dimitrie > DVHH-L Email List Administrator > > On 29 August 2017 >> at 15:42, Hans Kopp <[email protected]> wrote: > > > We were very >> unfortunately and had our schooling interrupted by three > > years in >> Gakowa > > A dead camp were the people were taken to die. I started >> Kindergarten at > > age 6 because in Yugoslavia children started the school >> at seven. Now we > > had two age groups in one class. The girl school was >> located in the nuns > > monastery wile the boys went to the boys school. We >> were more than 100 > boys > > in the school. The girls so what less and >> therefore it was necessary to > > take t he July ages of the boys to go >> with the girls to school. I found > > there was actually no corporal >> punishments by the nouns. > > When we were deported to Gakowa, several of >> the priest there attempted to > > hold school in the houses, but the was >> forbidden and stopped when several > > of the priests were taken out of the >> camp and some of them were killed > and > > became Mardirers > > When I >> came to Austria I had lost 3 years of school and had to go to > > school >> with children 3 years younger. Here in Austria we still had > corpora > > >> punishment, like putting someone over the knee or hitting on the hand > >> with > > the rulers or standind outside in front of the door. But we grew >> up to > > become successful citizen of Austria or the USA. I still visit my >> school > > friends in Austria. I even skied with in 2003. Since than >> several have > > passed away. Two years ago I did visit my friend I usually >> stay with to > > celebrate the 60 anniversary of the sports club there I >> was a founder and > > was honored with several items. I also learned the >> soccer team I > captioned > > is among the top team in the league and their >> youth teams have won > several > > championship in their respective >> leagues. > > > > > > Sent from my iPa > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 28, >> 2017, at 11:12 AM, DVHH-L Administrator via > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < >> [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Hello everyone, > >>>>>>> Conversation on the list has been kind of slow lately. Guess >> everyone > is > > > busy enjoying summer! > > > > > > Was just thinking >> about the kids going back to school and wondering > about > > > school back >> in the old country. My mom went to school from the ages of > > > 7-12, for >> five grades. She repeated grade 3 because she was very sick > > that > > > >> year and missed a lot of school. It was a one-room schoolhouse. She > > > >> really liked watching Little House on the Prairie. The school and life > > >>> reminded her of home. At some point it was divided into 2 rooms, for > > >> older > > > and younger kids. > > > Yes, there was someone who stuck her >> pigtails in the inkwell! They had > > > slates to do their work. One of her >> "friends" used to change her > answers > > > to incorrect ones so my mom >> would get in trouble. > > > My uncle has an incredible knowledge of >> European history. He told me > > that > > > because there was not a lot of >> books available they had to really learn > > and > > > remember what they >> had been told, which is why he still remembers all > > this. > > > > > > >> She learned Serbian, both in Latin and Cyrillic letters and German in > > >> both > > > Latin and Gothic. She also spoke a smattering of other languages >>> because > > > of going to two different markets each week to sell farm >> produce. She > > > really loved working at the markets. > > > She lived in >> Hrastovac in western Slavonia, a town of about 700-800 > > > residents. She >> always felt under-educated here in Canada because she > > only > > > went >> to 5 grades, but I think she was quite intelligent and knew as > much > > >> as > > > people who went through the whole elementary and secondary school >>>> systems. > > > Maybe not the calculus and trigonometry, but the >> languages, everyday > > > mathematics, history and geography and she >> certainly knew a lot of > > growing > > > crops and raising farm animals >> and how to fix just about anything. > Very > > > practical life skills! > > >>>>>> Would anyone like to share stories about school life, especially >> those > of > > > you who went to school there? When did school start? What >> months did > it > > > run? Did you get let out at certain times to help in >> the fields? What > > were > > > your teachers like? Where did they come >> from? How were things > different > > > in smaller towns and larger towns >> and cities. > > > > > > Feel free to share any other stories about >> childhood life during the > good > > > times. > > > > > > Darlene > > > > > >>>>>> ----------------------------------------------- > > > Darlene >> Dimitrie > > > DVHH-L Email List Administrator > > > > > > > > > >> ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, >> please send an email to > > [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the >> body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To >> unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send >> an email to [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ancestry has a Stefan Massong and Anna Massong who left from Hamburg and arrived in New York 6 March 1910 on the Ship President Lincoln going to St. Paul, Minnesota. According to the Hamburg ship manifest Stefan was born in Lazarfold & Anna in Szecsenfalva. Steven & Anna are in the 1910 Census but I haven't been able to find them in the 1920 Census. Judy -----Original Message----- From: BANAT [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Glenn Schwartz Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 2:21 PM To: Banat email list <[email protected]>; DVHH <[email protected]>; [email protected] Subject: [BANAT-L] Anna Massong Matthias Dell, a contact of mine from Germany, is seeking help tracking down Anna Massong (born Mayer) who immigrated to Minnesota after WWII. His original German message and a Google translation are below. His email address is included above. Meine Uroma Anna Massong ist nach dem Krieg in die USA ausgewandert. Sie hat dort in Minnesota gewohnt und ist dort auch gestorben. An wen kann man sich wenden um an Melde oder Sterbedaten zu kommen? My Uroma Anna Massong emigrated to the USA after the war. She lived there in Minnesota and died there. Who can you turn to for registration or stereotypes? -- Glenn Schwartz President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Schönherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Schüssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Schwartz, Kory, Pierson/Person in Morawitza, Banat; Kalupsky/Chalupsky in Blumenthal, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. Email: [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com

My mother, who was from Covaci, Romania, cooked and baked so many delicious things. There is a wonderful cookbook that was given to her by her cousins. Not sure if it's in print anymore but many of the things she made are in here. She used both fresh plums and dried prunes in the Zwetchgenknoedel. I preferred the dried prunes as they were much sweeter.

I meant to send this to the list but only sent to Frieda originally. Eve ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Eve <[email protected]> Date: Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [DVHH] Life in Childhood - School, Zwetschgenknoedel, Zwetschgenkuchen To: [email protected] Hi Frieda, The recipe I have is called Summer Berry Custard Bars, but my sisters and I think it tastes the same as my mom's plum kuchen. Here is Summer Berry Custard Bars 1 box yellow cake mix 4 ozs melted butter 1 egg 1 tbsp. lemon zest *Filling* 3 lg eggs 1 1/4 c. sugaar 3/4 c. sour cream 1/2 c. flour + 2 tbsps 3 tbsps cornstarch 12 oz raspberries 4 oz berries 1 tbsp lemon zest Heat oven to 350 degrees and spray with baking spray a 9x13 pan To make crust Place dry cake mix, butter, 1 egg and lemon zest in a bowl and mix well then press into pan, set aside. To make filling Place egg in a mixing bowl and mix using a whisk attachment. Beat eggs till well combined. Add in sugar and beat until foamy. Add in sour cream, flour, cornstarch and mix to combine. Fold in raspberries, blueberries and lemon zest (If doing plum kuchen I would add those after pouring this mixture on top of the crust and omit the berries) Pour mixture on top of crust and bake at 350 degrees for 40 - 45 min. or until the edges are a light golden brown and the center slightly jiggles when pan is tapped. Cool completely in pan before cutting. I don't know what differences there may be with the original plum kuchen but as I said earlier to me this tasted like my moms only with berries. Eve On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:31 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Do you have the recipe for the plum kuchen or the one you found on > Pinterest? > > Frieda Franiak | Holland & Knight > Paralegal Assistant > Holland & Knight LLP > 131 South Dearborn Street, 30th Floor | Chicago IL 60603 > Phone 312.578.6696 | Fax 312.578.6666 > [email protected] | www.hklaw.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES [mailto:donauschwaben-villages > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Eve via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 2:25 PM > To: Christine Spooner <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Life in Childhood - School, Zwetschgenknoedel, > Zwetschgenkuchen > > Hi Christine (cousin), > > The plum kuchen I'm pretty sure it's pit side up (without the pit of > course). Mama made this often too and again for me it wasn't a favorite > because I didn't like the cooked plums. I recently found a recipe on > pinterest that uses a cake mix for the crust and used berries for the fruit > part - love it.....but I'm now hankering for the the prune plums and have > some at home so I just may have to try it with this recipe too. > > Eve > > On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Christine Spooner via > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > > > This recent e-mail traffic brings back so many memories. I was born in a > > refugee camp in the Hotel Europa at the train station in Salzburg and > then > > spent the next nine years of my life in the Sitzenheim Lager in Maxglan > in > > Salzburg. School in Austria was no fun, but I didn't know anything else. > > When I arrived in school at age six, life in Austria had settled down a > > little after the war, but Austria was still very poor and full of > > refugees. The teachers did not like us refugees and made it pretty > obvious. > > > > My school was an all-girls' elementary school from grades 1 to 4. I had > > the same teacher all four years. The ruler in the teacher's hand was > > always ready to strike my hand if the teacher thought I misbehaved, which > > was pretty often. (I never thought I misbehaved!) Often there were > > comments to me and some of the other refugee girls about "don't you wash > > your hands?" What the teachers didn't think about was that there was no > > running water in the barracks where we lived; my mother had to take pails > > over to the next barrack where there was one spigot with cold water for > > about three other barracks. The toilets were a large six-hole outhouse > > across the road that separated the rows of barracks. The school did have > > one regular flush toilet--the only one I had seen at that point. We had > to > > ask permission to use the toilet and the teachers rationed out the toilet > > paper. > > > > In addition to the three RRR's, handcrafts were also taught. We made an > > embroidery stitch sampler in the first grade and later made a crocheted > > doily. Because of my "unwashed hands", my doily was made with brown yarn > > instead of the pretty white yarn some other students received. (The > > materials were provided by the school.) > > > > Salzburg is/was a very Catholic city and all the refugees from my > mother's > > village, Kisker, were Lutheran. Religious education was included in the > > curriculum. The priest came six days a week for Catholic instruction, > and > > Lutheran students were excused. I don't remember what we did with that > > time, but I think we had fun. The Lutheran teacher came twice a week. > The > > Catholic students had no doubt that we Lutherans would never share heaven > > with them. On the other hand, on Fridays, if any meat was available, we > > could happily eat it while they could not. > > > > I did get an excellent education, especially in reading, and when I > > arrived in the US, learning English and reading were really easy. I was > > also ahead in handwriting and arithmetic. The treatment by American > > teachers was so different from my Austrian teacher--what a contrast--no > > more rulers hitting my hands. I started liking school in the US! > > > > On food--my mother made Zwetschgenknoedel just as Eve's mom did--dough > > wrapped around pitted prune plums, dropped in boiling water, and then > > browned with sweetened bread crumbs. She didn't make it very often > because > > it was something of a bother to make and she was always working and tired > > after a full day at work. Her favorite thing to make with prune plums > was > > Zwetschgenkuchen, a sweet yeast dough topped with sliced prune plums, > > dollops of sour cream and sprinkled with sugar. She made that pretty > > often, whenever prune plums were available, and we all enjoyed it. > > > > I would like to make this Zwetschgenkuchen sometime, and know how to > > prepare the yeast dough; however, I'm not too sure about the topping. > Are > > the prune plums put on the dough skin side up or skin side down? How > much > > sugar gets sprinkled over the top, and about how much sour cream is used? > > > > Chris Spooner > > > > > > > > On Saturday, September 2, 2017, 4:23:40 PM EDT, Franz via > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > After the war, I went to school in the DP Camp in Groedig, Austria, > > about 12 Km from Salzburg. We had all ages in a one room classroom, and > > we started out using small chalkboards. Paper and pencils were not > > available until 1947, and by then, classes were divided into grades one > > through three in one group and four through five in the other. Boys and > > girls....all together. Our teacher was also a refugee, but lived in a > > local farmer's house (also did some farmwork to earn his food and > > lodging). In my second and third grade years, our teacher was strict, > > and used the 'paddle' when he deemed it necessary to maintain control. I > > was never paddled because the thought of a getting a paddling , and then > > my mother hearing about it, apart from the shame, it would only lead to > > another paddling from mom, kind of a two-for-one-deal. That did not > > appeal to me, so I behaved. :-) > > On the brighter side, we took many walking class trips into the > > surrounding areas, and that was a treat...just to get out of the room, > > out of that camp. Once we even visited the nearby German border where we > > learned about the 'roten Streich auf der Landkarte'. In class, our > > teacher often smoked Pall Mall cigarettes while teaching, and as a > > treat, he oftentimes read a Chapter of a Karl Mai American Western > > fiction book. Those readings were real treats....it brough dreams of > > foreign sights I never knew I'd see....little did I know that I'd wind > > up in America one day and see those badlands with my own eyes. When I > > was able to attend sixth grade (1951), I had to travel from Groedig to > > Salzburg on the train. The last traincar was reserved only for students > > because of the noise they made. The conductors never were friendly to us > > Lager-students, and it was my first introduction to being considered > > 'different'. Once, I forgot my student pass, so the conductor kicked me > > off the train and I had to walk 10 KM home...in a snowstorm. (He never > > checked for the pass on the trip to school) I never forgot that > > trainpass again..never! I saw similar discrimination in the Hauptschule > > in Austria, though a few of the teachers were empathetic. However, I was > > one of the few Auslaender (foreigners) in that school, and my heart > > always felt the pain of being considered 'second class'....not knowing > > why, other than I was not Austrian. It was somewhat subtle, a sideways > > look, a whispered comment, a mocking laugh at the meager lunch I > > brought, always being chosen last for recess play teams, my clothes > > were laughed at......quite a hurtful education that has stayed with > > me...till today, at age 77! > > On 9/2/2017 8:09 AM, Dennis Bauer via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES wrote: > > > Cuz...ok to use this in our new club newsletter? Den > > > > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > > > > > On Thursday, August 31, 2017 Rose Vetter via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > I was born in Neusatz (Novi Sad) in the Batschka. I started school in > > 1942, I think it was in the fall, a time of war and political upheaval. > In > > 1941 Hungary, as a member of the Axis powers, had reclaimed the larger > part > > of the Batschka which they had lost to Yugoslavia after World War I. We > > were once again in Hungary without having moved! The official language > and > > the bureaucracy became Hungarian, the street signs were changed to > > Hungarian, etc. I never forget my first days at school. Outfitted with a > > new schoolbag, a wood-framed slate, slate pencils and an abacus, I was > > quite excited about my new adventure. My mother walked me to school, and > > again on the second day. When the third day came around, I was expected > to > > go alone, but I refused; I cried and insisted that Mom to come with me. > > When I couldn't be persuaded, my father gave me a spanking. That worked. > > From that day on, I promised myself I would behave, rather than risk > > getting a spanking again--and I didn't. As for corporal punishment by the > > teachers, that was accepted in those times. I remember that boys in > > particular bore the brunt of the teachers' anger by getting the end of > the > > rod. Minor infractions were usually dealt with by a slap on the cheek. I > > remember getting slapped once and being so humiliated that I tried to > hide > > the red streaks on my cheek from my parents. Those certainly were > different > > times and we've come a long way. I grew up speaking three languages: > German > > at home, and Serbian and Hungarian outside the home and at school. At > that > > time the German Sütterlin or Fraktur script was still taught, but I had > to > > switch to the Latin script once we got to Germany. Our lessons were > mainly > > in Hungarian. I remember being able to sing the whole Hungarian anthem > off > > by heart. When my mother, sister and I packed our bags for our flight in > > October 1944, I made sure I included my Hungarian schoolbook, which I > kept > > for a long time. Unfortunately, once we were in Germany and I was no > longer > > exposed to the Serbian and Hungarian languages, I forgot them in a short > > time, which I regret to this day. Unfortunately, my schooling was > disrupted > > by the accelerating war conditions and bombing of the city, so I was not > > able to attend much school during grade 2. We lived only a block away > from > > the Danube, right across the famous Peterwardein fortress, between the > two > > main bridges which were the constant targets of Allied bombers. I will > > never forget being awakened by the air raid sirens in the middle of the > > night and rushing to a nearby air raid shelter. Some nights we didn't > > bother to get up, but the night our home was turned into a pile of > rubble, > > we had been in the shelter, otherwise I would not be alive today. About a > > month later we boarded one of the last refugee trains to leave Neusatz. > > Rose On 29 August 2017 at 22:21, DVHH-L Administrator via > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Forwarding to the mailing list. > Darlene > > > ----------------------------------------------- > > > Darlene Dimitrie > DVHH-L Email List Administrator > > On 29 August > 2017 > > at 15:42, Hans Kopp <[email protected]> wrote: > > > We were very > > unfortunately and had our schooling interrupted by three > > years in > > Gakowa > > A dead camp were the people were taken to die. I started > > Kindergarten at > > age 6 because in Yugoslavia children started the > school > > at seven. Now we > > had two age groups in one class. The girl school was > > located in the nuns > > monastery wile the boys went to the boys school. > We > > were more than 100 > boys > > in the school. The girls so what less and > > therefore it was necessary to > > take t he July ages of the boys to go > > with the girls to school. I found > > there was actually no corporal > > punishments by the nouns. > > When we were deported to Gakowa, several of > > the priest there attempted to > > hold school in the houses, but the was > > forbidden and stopped when several > > of the priests were taken out of > the > > camp and some of them were killed > and > > became Mardirers > > When I > > came to Austria I had lost 3 years of school and had to go to > > school > > with children 3 years younger. Here in Austria we still had > corpora > > > > punishment, like putting someone over the knee or hitting on the hand > > > with > > the rulers or standind outside in front of the door. But we grew > > up to > > become successful citizen of Austria or the USA. I still visit > my > > school > > friends in Austria. I even skied with in 2003. Since than > > several have > > passed away. Two years ago I did visit my friend I > usually > > stay with to > > celebrate the 60 anniversary of the sports club there I > > was a founder and > > was honored with several items. I also learned the > > soccer team I > captioned > > is among the top team in the league and > their > > youth teams have won > several > > championship in their respective > > leagues. > > > > > > Sent from my iPa > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug > 28, > > 2017, at 11:12 AM, DVHH-L Administrator via > > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > Conversation on the list has been kind of slow lately. Guess > > everyone > is > > > busy enjoying summer! > > > > > > Was just thinking > > about the kids going back to school and wondering > about > > > school > back > > in the old country. My mom went to school from the ages of > > > 7-12, > for > > five grades. She repeated grade 3 because she was very sick > > that > > > > > > year and missed a lot of school. It was a one-room schoolhouse. She > > > > > really liked watching Little House on the Prairie. The school and life > > > > > > reminded her of home. At some point it was divided into 2 rooms, for > > > > > older > > > and younger kids. > > > Yes, there was someone who stuck her > > pigtails in the inkwell! They had > > > slates to do their work. One of > her > > "friends" used to change her > answers > > > to incorrect ones so my mom > > would get in trouble. > > > My uncle has an incredible knowledge of > > European history. He told me > > that > > > because there was not a lot > of > > books available they had to really learn > > and > > > remember what they > > had been told, which is why he still remembers all > > this. > > > > > > > > She learned Serbian, both in Latin and Cyrillic letters and German in > > > > both > > > Latin and Gothic. She also spoke a smattering of other > languages > > > because > > > of going to two different markets each week to sell farm > > produce. She > > > really loved working at the markets. > > > She lived > in > > Hrastovac in western Slavonia, a town of about 700-800 > > > residents. > She > > always felt under-educated here in Canada because she > > only > > > went > > to 5 grades, but I think she was quite intelligent and knew as > much > > > > as > > > people who went through the whole elementary and secondary > school > > > > systems. > > > Maybe not the calculus and trigonometry, but the > > languages, everyday > > > mathematics, history and geography and she > > certainly knew a lot of > > growing > > > crops and raising farm animals > > and how to fix just about anything. > Very > > > practical life skills! > > > > > > > > > Would anyone like to share stories about school life, especially > > those > of > > > you who went to school there? When did school start? > What > > months did > it > > > run? Did you get let out at certain times to help > in > > the fields? What > > were > > > your teachers like? Where did they come > > from? 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