'll try this again - G'day from hot south-east Australia Surnames Family name, RISCH Earliest known ancestor  -  JohannRISCH b. 1757 Etzling/Schwörstadt,  d.13.07.1817  Karlsdorf Banat.  Johann, with his wife Katharina emigrated to Karlsdorf Banat . Family lore says that they came from France, however, I find that Etzling is in France and Schwörstadt is in Baden-Württemberg, Germany! Marriage connections:  Franziska  RISCH, b. 1792 m. 03.11.1810 to SCHMIDTJohann b. 1792; Anna RISCH, b. 1795, m.  23.08.1813 to  DIETRICH Franz, Schniedegeselle(Tailor)  b. 1779 in Langveil/Bayern; Filipp RISCH, b. 1788, m. Marriedto HUBER, Helene (or Magalena)  13.11.1810; Bonaventurus RISCH, b. 1791,m. to Elisabeth STREITENBERGER, b.1791 from Alibunar, Salpetersiedlung; Katharina RISCH b.28.10.1872 Karlsdorf, d. 29.05.1962 Roseland, Chicago, m. toPeter WINDAUER b. Vrsac,  d. 11.11.1945 Wentworth Illinois; Anna RISCH b. 21.0.9.1871, toBalthasar HAUSER; Konrad RISCH b. 23.03.1850m.18.02.1870 to Susanna  GROBGUT; Jakob RISCH b. 20.05.1877 Karlsdorf,m. to Josefa KERNST in Vlajkovac  Would anyone have any linksto the records of the Psychiatric Hospital in Kovin (Kobin) Serbia which wasrecently refurbished with a major donation of US $90,000 from the LifelineChicago Humanitarian Organization and sponsored by The John and Mildred MedicWuchenich Foundation. I have a family member, KonradRISCH b. 07.02.1895, who was placed there from 1925 to his death possibly in1938. Places Etzling/Schwörstadt Karlsdorf now BanatskiKarlovac, Banat (Vojvodina) Langveil/Bayern Alibunar, Salpetersiedlung, inBanat (Vojvodina) Vlajkovac, in Banat (Vojvodina) Kobin (Kovin) Serbia  Cheers,                                            Eleonora O'Connor-Risch On Wednesday, 10 January 2018, 12:22:38 pm AEDT, DVHH-L Administrator via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: Hello everyone, It's that time of year again - ROLL CALL time! Time to list the surnames and the towns you are researching. I will send out an example of a roll call message using my surnames and towns.  Yours does not have to look exactly like this, but please make it easy to read.  The first 2 examples, by surname or by town are the easiest way. The subject line should indicate what is most important to you - in my case, my most important surnames and town. Look forward to hearing from everyone! ----------------------------------------------- Darlene Dimitrie DVHH-L Email List Administrator ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

G'day from hot south-east Australia Surnames Family name, RISCH Earliest known ancestor  -  JohannRISCH b. 1757 Etzling/Schwörstadt,  d.13.07.1817  Karlsdorf Banat.  Johann,but Schwörstadt is in Baden-Württemberg, Germany. Marriage connections:  Franziska  RISCH, b. 1792 m. 03.11.1810 to SCHMIDTJohann b. 1792; Anna RISCH, b. 1795, m.  23.08.1813 to  DIETRICH Franz, Schniedegeselle(Tailor)  b. 1779 in Langveil/Bayern; Filipp RISCH, b. 1788, m. Marriedto HUBER, Helene (or Magalena)  13.11.1810; Bonaventurus RISCH, b. 1791,m. to Elisabeth STREITENBERGER, b.1791 from Alibunar, Salpetersiedlung; Katharina RISCH b.28.10.1872 Karlsdorf, d. 29.05.1962 Roseland, Chicago, m. toPeter WINDAUER b. Vrsac,  d. 11.11.1945 Wentworth Illinois; Anna RISCH b. 21.0.9.1871, toBalthasar HAUSER; Konrad RISCH b. 23.03.1850m.18.02.1870 to Susanna  GROBGUT; Jakob RISCH b. 20.05.1877 Karlsdorf,m. to Josefa KERNST in Vlajkovac   Would anyone have any linksto the records of the Psychiatric Hospital in Kovin (Kobin) Serbia which wasrecently refurbished with a major donation of US $90,000 from the LifelineChicago Humanitarian Organization and sponsored by The John and Mildred MedicWuchenich Foundation. I have a family member, KonradRISCH b. 07.02.1895, who was placed there from 1925 to his death possibly in1938. Places Etzling/Schwörstadt Karlsdorf now BanatskiKarlovac, Banat (Vojvodina) Langveil/Bayern Alibunar, Salpetersiedlung, inBanat (Vojvodina) Vlajkovac, in Banat (Vojvodina) Kobin (Kovin) Serbia  Cheers,                                            Eleonora O'Connor-Risch On Wednesday, 10 January 2018, 12:22:38 pm AEDT, DVHH-L Administrator via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: Hello everyone, It's that time of year again - ROLL CALL time! Time to list the surnames and the towns you are researching. I will send out an example of a roll call message using my surnames and towns.  Yours does not have to look exactly like this, but please make it easy to read.  The first 2 examples, by surname or by town are the easiest way. The subject line should indicate what is most important to you - in my case, my most important surnames and town. Look forward to hearing from everyone! ----------------------------------------------- Darlene Dimitrie DVHH-L Email List Administrator ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary, in the Ortssippenbuch Pardan (1801 - 1835/1836) written by Johann Porte and Justine Masching the following Koller/Kolling/Kollin families are listed : 1195 KOLLER Vendelin FENEISZ Margarete Kinder: 1. Catharina * 04.12.1810 P.S. I/54 Paten: 1. Lux Nicolaus u. Kilburger Catharina 1196 KOLLER Joan NUBER Barbara Kinder: 1. Elisabetha * 23.02.1830 P.S.II/153 Paten: Tusing Nicolaus u. Bakin Elisabeth 1197 KOLLING Gabriel 65 J. Wtw. * err. 1758 oo 11.11.1823 P.S.35 Z: Reibl Mich. u. Groeser Mich. BAUMGARTNER Catharina 60 J. Wwe. * err. 1763 1198 KOLLING KOHLING Gabriel * err. 1751 + 28.12.1831 80 J. Wtw. P.S.122 1199 KOLLING KOHLING Petrus MÜLLER Anna Kinder: 1. Susanna * 29.05.1811 P.S.I/60 oo 27.09.1829 Heich Georg 2. Margaretha * 28.09.1816 P.S.II/45 oo 02.04.1835 Treiß Ludovicus Paten: 1. Schvarz Nic. u. Koling Susanna, 2. Tabor Andr. u. Kohling Marg. 1200 KOLLING KOHLING Petrus PETRI Anna * err. 1778 + 27.09.1831 53 J. P.S.120 1201 KOLLING KOLING Petrus 65 J. Wtw. * err. 1767 oo 26.02.1832 P.S.50 Z: Millesz Martinus u. Müller Joan, KÖSTER Margaretha 73 J. Wwe. err. 1759 1202 KOLLING Michael Kinder: 1. Joannes * err. 1817 + 01.01.1826 9 J. P.S.87 1203 KOLLING KOLING COHLING Michael 18 J. ledig * err. 1803 + 06.07.1828 27 J. P.S.103 oo 09.01.1821 P.S.31 Z: Thabor Anton u. Oehl Joannes HEIM HAYM HEYM Anna 16 J. ledig * err. 1805 Kinder: 1. Valentin * 26.05.1822 P.S.II/104 2. Joannes * 08.04.1825 P.S.II/127 3. Anna * 04.11.1826 P.S.II/137 + 10.07.1828 2 J. P.S.103 4. Anna * 07.01.1829 P.S.II/146 oo Amend Georgius Paten: 1. Baumgartner Valentin u. Viener-in Anna, 2. Feldmann Joannes u. Szabath Christ., 3. Sabath Mathias u. Schwarz Anna, 4. Sabath Mathias u. Vener-in Anna, 1204 KOLLING Valentin ZÄHRINGER Theresia (2724. ) * 26.12.1819 + 26.10.1866 47 J. Wwe. PP.S.101/83 T.d.Jacob u. Marg.geb. Maser, Majer 1205 KOLLING KOLING Joannes 18 J. ledig * err. 1807 oo 09.02.1825 P.S.38 Z: Thabor Anton u. Baumgartner Valentin, NUBER NUBRIN HUBER Barbara 18 J. led. * err. 1807 Kinder: 1. Theresia * 07.11.1825 P.S.II/131 2. Joan * 00.10.1827 P.S.II/141 3. Christoph * err. 1829 + 21.01.1834 Molidorf (5 J) 4. Elisabeth * err. 1830 + 20.01.1834 Molidorf (4 J) 5. Magdalena *16.07.1832 P.S.II/173 + 17.04.1834 Molidorf (1 ½ J) 6. Katharina * 07.02.1835 Molidorf (Mutter: Nubrin) 7. Peter * 21.02.1837 Molidorf Paten: 1. Tuszin Nic. u.Fay Theresia, 2. Nuber Joan u. NN., 3.u.4. unbek. 5. Malik Joan u. Magdalena, 6. Wilhelm Pet, Traum Kath, 7. Bon Pet, Reisz Teres Qu : Verkartung Molidorf 1833 - 1852 1206 KOLLIN Petrus aus Molidorf *err. 1841 + 26.08.1873 32 J. P.S.35/42/91 Best regards Dieter Heidenfelder Am 11.01.2018 um 23:53 schrieb Mary Dereski via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES: > My name: > Mary Oriold Dereski > > Surnames: > Oriold > Kolling > > Villages > Banat: > Pardan > Ernsthausen > > > >> On Jan 11, 2018, at 11:31 AM, [email protected] wrote: >> >> Send DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or >> body containing >> 'subscribe' or 'unsubscribe' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES digest..." >> >> >> To respond to a Digest Mode message, click reply, CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE TO REFLECT THE TOPIC - then delete any postings/text not specific to the message you are responding to. Otherwise it could cause your message to be too long and not get posted. Your cooperation is appreciated. >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: ROLL CALL - Dietrich - Schneider-Schmidt ([email protected]) >> 2. Re: DVHH (Darlene Gutwein) >> 3. Surnames (marilyn mcclutchy) >> 4. ROLL CALL: ZOLLNER, GROO, KLEIN, KALMUS, AUGENSTEIN (Kathy Meany) >> 5. Fw: Roll Call (Kevin) >> 6. ROLL CALL - POPP, EICHINGER Timisoara/Chisoda (Susan Watson) >> 7. ROLL CALL: ABEL, FEIL, FLOHR, HANGS, KNAPP, >> GRIISSER/GRISER/GRIESER etc, MEISENBERG/MASSINBERG, MULLER, >> PRECH, SCHADAK, STOLTZ, WEBER, WOLF (Haas, Irene (NIH/NCATS) [E]) >> 8. Labor Day - Landestreffen (Eve) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:40:15 -0500 >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] ROLL CALL - Dietrich - Schneider-Schmidt >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> >> Subject: [DVHH] ROLL CALL - >> >> Surnames: >> Selinger >> Neumayer >> Ackermann >> Mattes >> Baumgartner >> >> Batschka Villages: >> >> Batsch >> Milititsch >> Hodschag >> Filipowa >> >> Thanks for any and all info, >> >> Anton Selinger >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Neuburg >> >> >> Freudental >> >> >> Emigrated from: >> >> >> Thalfang, Hunsr?ck, Pflaz >> >> >> Possibly Hirschfeld, Huns?ck, Pfalz >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 08:41:22 -0700 >> From: Darlene Gutwein <[email protected]> >> To: "[email protected]" >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] DVHH >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Looking for any information on Rab Arnold Gutwein or any other Gutweins in that area. >> Looking for their original origin. >> In Grunber, Germany. Born about 1616 and died about 1668. >> His occupation was a surgeon. >> >> Thank you, >> Darlene Gutwein >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:52:03 -0500 >> From: marilyn mcclutchy <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [DVHH] Surnames >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Tausenberger 1880. >> >> >> >> Temesora >> Frankenstadt? >> >> Marilyn. Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:57:53 -0500 >> From: Kathy Meany <[email protected]> >> To: DVHH Mailing List <[email protected]> >> Subject: [DVHH] ROLL CALL: ZOLLNER, GROO, KLEIN, KALMUS, AUGENSTEIN >> Message-ID: >> <[email protected]om> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Happy New Year! >> >> My roll call: >> >> GLOGOWATZ: ZOLLNER, GROO >> >> HATZFELD: KLEIN, KALMUS, AUGENSTEIN >> >> >> All the best, >> >> *Kathy Zollner Meany* >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 11:00:03 -0500 >> From: Kevin <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: [DVHH] Fw: Roll Call >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=response >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kevin" <[email protected]> >> To: "Daniela Hieslmayr" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 5:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Roll Call >> >> >>> Thank You Daniela. >>> I do not think that would be mine. >>> I'm looking for Stefan Reseli. He was born about 1862 in Austia-Hungary. >>> Although you never know since I've been told Stefan was an orphan. >>> The name was spelled that way until they changed it here in the States. >>> Many people from that area migrated to the Sharon, Pa area. >>> Kevin Resele >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Daniela Hieslmayr" <[email protected]> >>> To: "Kevin" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 4:01 PM >>> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Roll Call >>> >>> >>> I don?t know, if they belong to you, but I coincidentally came scroll the >>> birth of Karl Resele, 1886 in Osijek (not far from Vukovar: >>> https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L99X-1JR9?i=32&wc=9R2D-C6L >>> %3A391644801%2C392029501%2C392030201&cc=2040054&cat=418151 >>> >>> entry 241 >>> >>> Liebe Gr??e, Daniela >>> >>> Am 10.01.18, 17:30 schrieb "DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES on behalf of Kevin via >>> DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES" unter <[email protected] >>> on behalf of [email protected]>: >>> >>>> Reseli >>>> Resele >>>> Buhalak >>>> >>>> Vukovar >>>> >>>> Thank you in advance >>>> Kevin Resele >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:01:20 +0000 >> From: Susan Watson <[email protected]> >> To: DVHH Mail List <[email protected]> >> Subject: [DVHH] ROLL CALL - POPP, EICHINGER Timisoara/Chisoda >> Message-ID: >> <[email protected]3.prod.outlook.com> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> >> POPP, Anton: b. 2 Jan 1840 ?Hungary? ? Probably in the Timisoara region, possibly in Chisoda. >> >> EICHINGER, Justina: b. ? d. 1886 Chisoda (wife of Anton Popp above) >> >> POPP, Anton (noted in the church records as PAPP, Antal, the Hungarian equivalent), b.19 Sep 1883, Chisoda. He emigrated to the US in 1903. >> >> >> These may be related to the POPP/PAPP listed by David Dreyer (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~banatdata/DDB/ByVillage/Kischoda.htm) as my POPPs moved through Chicago on their way West. >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:20:54 +0000 >> From: "Haas, Irene (NIH/NCATS) [E]" <[email protected]> >> To: "'[email protected]'" >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: [DVHH] ROLL CALL: ABEL, FEIL, FLOHR, HANGS, KNAPP, >> GRIISSER/GRISER/GRIESER etc, MEISENBERG/MASSINBERG, MULLER, PRECH, >> SCHADAK, STOLTZ, WEBER, WOLF >> Message-ID: >> <[email protected]od.outlook.com> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> >> Happy New Year! My ancestors seemed to move a lot between towns across the generations. >> >> My roll call: >> >> ALTRINGEN, MULLER, PRECH, WEBER >> >> ARAD: MEISENBERG >> >> BLUMENTHAL: FEIL, HANGS, MULLER, SCHADAK >> >> CHARLOTTENBURG: HANGS >> >> KONIGSHOF: FEIL, KNAPP, GRIISER. WOLF >> >> NEUDORF: ABEL, FEIL, STOLTZ, WOLF >> >> NEUHOF: FLOHR,GRIISER, MULLER, PRECH >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 11:31:07 -0500 >> From: Eve <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [DVHH] Labor Day - Landestreffen >> Message-ID: >> <[email protected]om> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Someone posted a year or so ago a list of the places of upcoming Treffens. >> Of course I can't find this link - anybody know, or know of the chosen >> clubs for the next couple of years? >> >> Eve >> >> -- >> Syrmia Regional Coordinator >> http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES Digest, Vol 11, Issue 19 >> ****************************************************** > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- Diese E-Mail wurde von Avast Antivirus-Software auf Viren geprüft. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

I highly recommend Stasa too! His website is http://www.synergia.rs/ Noelle Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 18, 2018, at 9:13 PM, Eve via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > > I highly recommend Stasa Cvetkovic - I believe out of Novi Sad, he has > helped me quite a bit and many others here on the list. I can't think of > his website address off hand, but I'm sure someone else will have it - I > thought that I just saw a recommendation for him, but perhaps on a > different list. > > Eve > > On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 6:36 PM, Kelly Dazet via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hello Eve and Larry, >> >> >> Thank you very much for this information! Larry, I see that an Adam >> Dietrich listed in Tscherwenka that moved to Katsch. Did the records on >> file tell you they were from the Heidelberg area? Or did you find that >> somewhere else? I actually grew up in the Heidelberg area and my wife was >> born and raised there. Have you taken a DNA test? I'm hoping DNA can >> give me clues as to where my ancestors lived. >> >> >> Maybe I really need to consider hiring a professional from Novi Sad. I >> could travel there myself, but though I'm somewhat fluent in German, I >> don't speak a work of Serbian. I feel like I'm just banging my head on >> this "brick wall"! If the Neuburg chrurch record was in error, maybe my 2 >> x great grandfather was not even born in Kischker and my Dietrichs were >> never even there. ???? >> >> >> Thanks again! >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> >> Kelly >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:19 PM >> To: 'Kelly Dazet' >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] About lookups and roll calls >> >> Hello Kelly >> >> Looking at all the roll call posts and the concern if the information from >> various sources is correct I can offer the following: My grandmother was a >> Dietrich and she was born in Katsch. I visited Katsch in 2004 and was >> fortunate to be allowed to view the hand written ledgers that were housed >> in the "city hall". They contained all the births, deaths and marriages >> that occurred in the village. I found numerous entries related to my >> Dietrich's. >> >> Also one of my distant cousins here in my Missouri (family was from >> Katsch/Crvenka but not Dietrich's) hired a researcher from Novi Sad who >> went to the archive center there and found 10 pages of records associated >> with his family. >> >> I realize that both of these options cost money but the information in >> many cases is available but probably not an option for most. >> >> My Dietrich's originally were from the Heidelberg area. When they left >> they originally settled in Crvenka before moving to Katsch in the middle >> 1800's. >> >> Larry >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> From: "Kelly Dazet via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES" >> To: "Bastian Dornbach", "[email protected]" >> Cc: >> Sent: 18-Jan-2018 17:46:46 +0000 >> Subject: Re: [DVHH] About lookups and roll calls >> >> Thank you Bastian! >> >> >> That is, of course very good advice. I personally have been able to verify >> many mistakes in various books and other documents that I've read. Stader's >> Sammelwerk is just a compilation of information from many sources, that >> may, or may not be accurate. For example for the Dietrichs that I am >> researching in Kischker, he uses Lorenz's Unforgettable Kischker as his >> source and Lornez say Michael Dietrich was the borther of Nikolaus, when in >> fact he was a cousin. >> >> >> Also Dr. Karl Stumpp's huge volume of work, "The Emmigration from Germany >> to Russia", which is widely used as a sort of "Bible" by Germans from >> Russia, if filled with errors. That emigration, BTW included many >> Donauschaben from the Batscka and Bannat. Good that keep in mind while >> doing your research. >> >> >> I'm getting to the point where I am sometime's skeptical of KB entries as >> well. Who's to say that they are all 100% accurate. Of course there are no >> known Lutheran church records for where my Donauschaben ancestors lived in >> Kischker, Tscherwenka and Werbass/Neuwerbass. Only the available OSB/OFBs. >> Unless they are hidden is some archives in Serbia. >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> >> Kelly >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> >> on behalf of Bastian Dornbach via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < >> [email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 2:17 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [DVHH] About lookups and roll calls >> >> I would like to share some thoughts about all the lookups and roll calls: >> As convenient as it might look to just receive all information from books, >> please always be aware that information might not be correct. >> >> >> >> From my own experience I know that e.g. the Tschanad Family book has a lot >> of flaws (wrong date of death, wrong conclusions about parents,…). >> Furthermore regarding my early ancestors who came from the Holy Roman >> Empire of German Nations (Germany) into the Banat, the author from the >> Tschanad Family book just copied the information from Stader, Treude etc. – >> which was also wrong. >> >> >> >> That led to me making wrong assumptions and finally standing there without >> ancestors, because the people who were supposed to have left Germany to the >> Banat in 1765 DID NOT leave their home town – and also died there. >> >> >> >> There were two people with the same name in the village, who both had a >> son that also had the same name, both born only four months apart in 1764 >> (I know! What a coincidence!). >> >> >> >> Treude just picked the wrong one, even though the data given in the church >> books in Tschanad then didn’t match with the data from the German church >> books (e.g. wrong name of my ancestor’s wife that also died already in >> Germany right after giving birth to the son – so there was no way she lived >> and died in Tschanad then. Furthermore, the name of the wife that died in >> Tschanad didn’t match with the name of the wife in Germany). >> >> >> >> Only by going into the church record by myself (better said, with the help >> of Sorin in Tschanad and an archivist in Germany), I was able to solve the >> puzzle about who stayed in Germany and went into the Banat. >> >> >> Always keep your eyes open! >> >> >> Bastian >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > Syrmia Regional Coordinator > http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Eve and Larry, Thank you very much for this information! Larry, I see that an Adam Dietrich listed in Tscherwenka that moved to Katsch. Did the records on file tell you they were from the Heidelberg area? Or did you find that somewhere else? I actually grew up in the Heidelberg area and my wife was born and raised there. Have you taken a DNA test? I'm hoping DNA can give me clues as to where my ancestors lived. Maybe I really need to consider hiring a professional from Novi Sad. I could travel there myself, but though I'm somewhat fluent in German, I don't speak a work of Serbian. I feel like I'm just banging my head on this "brick wall"! If the Neuburg chrurch record was in error, maybe my 2 x great grandfather was not even born in Kischker and my Dietrichs were never even there. ???? Thanks again! Kind regards, Kelly ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:19 PM To: 'Kelly Dazet' Subject: Re: [DVHH] About lookups and roll calls Hello Kelly Looking at all the roll call posts and the concern if the information from various sources is correct I can offer the following: My grandmother was a Dietrich and she was born in Katsch. I visited Katsch in 2004 and was fortunate to be allowed to view the hand written ledgers that were housed in the "city hall". They contained all the births, deaths and marriages that occurred in the village. I found numerous entries related to my Dietrich's. Also one of my distant cousins here in my Missouri (family was from Katsch/Crvenka but not Dietrich's) hired a researcher from Novi Sad who went to the archive center there and found 10 pages of records associated with his family. I realize that both of these options cost money but the information in many cases is available but probably not an option for most. My Dietrich's originally were from the Heidelberg area. When they left they originally settled in Crvenka before moving to Katsch in the middle 1800's. Larry ----------------------------------------- From: "Kelly Dazet via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES" To: "Bastian Dornbach", "[email protected]" Cc: Sent: 18-Jan-2018 17:46:46 +0000 Subject: Re: [DVHH] About lookups and roll calls Thank you Bastian! That is, of course very good advice. I personally have been able to verify many mistakes in various books and other documents that I've read. Stader's Sammelwerk is just a compilation of information from many sources, that may, or may not be accurate. For example for the Dietrichs that I am researching in Kischker, he uses Lorenz's Unforgettable Kischker as his source and Lornez say Michael Dietrich was the borther of Nikolaus, when in fact he was a cousin. Also Dr. Karl Stumpp's huge volume of work, "The Emmigration from Germany to Russia", which is widely used as a sort of "Bible" by Germans from Russia, if filled with errors. That emigration, BTW included many Donauschaben from the Batscka and Bannat. Good that keep in mind while doing your research. I'm getting to the point where I am sometime's skeptical of KB entries as well. Who's to say that they are all 100% accurate. Of course there are no known Lutheran church records for where my Donauschaben ancestors lived in Kischker, Tscherwenka and Werbass/Neuwerbass. Only the available OSB/OFBs. Unless they are hidden is some archives in Serbia. Kind regards, Kelly ________________________________ From: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> on behalf of Bastian Dornbach via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 2:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DVHH] About lookups and roll calls I would like to share some thoughts about all the lookups and roll calls: As convenient as it might look to just receive all information from books, please always be aware that information might not be correct. From my own experience I know that e.g. the Tschanad Family book has a lot of flaws (wrong date of death, wrong conclusions about parents,…). Furthermore regarding my early ancestors who came from the Holy Roman Empire of German Nations (Germany) into the Banat, the author from the Tschanad Family book just copied the information from Stader, Treude etc. – which was also wrong. That led to me making wrong assumptions and finally standing there without ancestors, because the people who were supposed to have left Germany to the Banat in 1765 DID NOT leave their home town – and also died there. There were two people with the same name in the village, who both had a son that also had the same name, both born only four months apart in 1764 (I know! What a coincidence!). Treude just picked the wrong one, even though the data given in the church books in Tschanad then didn’t match with the data from the German church books (e.g. wrong name of my ancestor’s wife that also died already in Germany right after giving birth to the son – so there was no way she lived and died in Tschanad then. Furthermore, the name of the wife that died in Tschanad didn’t match with the name of the wife in Germany). Only by going into the church record by myself (better said, with the help of Sorin in Tschanad and an archivist in Germany), I was able to solve the puzzle about who stayed in Germany and went into the Banat. Always keep your eyes open! Bastian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for letting me be part of this group. I have to say I stumbled on it recently. Over 90% of my family emigrated successfully to Philadelphia PA USA. After several years of relative inaction on the family tree, my family and I made a sudden decision to go to Romania and Serbia this fall to visit the towns and cemeteries of our grandparents. Here are my names and their towns: Names - Towns Lux - Bocsar Rausch - Vranyova Szendef - Bocsar, Szolder? Kramer - Bocsar Weldi -Kovacsi Decker - Johannesfeld, Hatzfeld Veger - Sankt Georgen der Bega Biebel - Johannesfeld, Klein Betschkereck, Wittring (now in France) Wirt (Virt) -Ostern Weinhardt - Johannesfeld Nirgarten - Wittring (now in France) Ketzer - Klein Betschkerek Bergman - Wittring? Kapler - Hatzfeld, Flomersheim bei Frankenthal (Rheinland-Pfatz, Germany) Rasilier - Johannesfeld Thanking you in advance for any help you can give. I will help all those I can.

Thanks, I tried to install the shareware version. First, the setup wouldn't run at all - after running it in XP compatibility mode, the installer would open but close after clicking "next" on the first screen. Still hoping someone has that software up and running and can do the conversion for me. Constantin On 18 January 2018 at 20:40, Thomas Myers <[email protected]> wrote: > All, > > I was able to find German sites that offer free downloads of the RS-Ahnen > software. > > Try using Google or visit site ww.heise.DE > > Tom Myers > > On Jan 18, 2018 1:26 PM, "Connum via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES" < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks Kelly, I will have a look at it! >> I'm mostly using WikiTree and MyHeritage online, but I also have the >> Family >> Builder software from MyHeritage. However, that's not able to load those >> files and I have not found another file converter yet. >> >> Kind regards >> Constantin >> >> On 18 January 2018 at 18:27, Kelly Dazet <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Hi Constantin, >> > >> > >> > Do you have any type of family tree software? Usually they allow you to >> > import data. I'm not familiar with that particular software (RS-Ahnen). >> > If you don't already have software you may want to consider, Legacy >> Family >> > Tree. I think you can get a free trial. They were recently purchased >> by >> > MyHeritage and you can connect to your MYHeritage tree with it. The next >> > version of Legacy Family Tree will be able to sync with your MyHeritage >> > tree. Another good program is RootsMagic. But it sync with >> Ancestry.com. >> > The Legacy Family Tree Webinars are super! Lots of good Webinars by >> Blaine >> > Bettinger and Diahan Southard and more. Have you done a google search >> on >> > how to convert the file type of the RS-Ahnen to a .ged file? >> > https://legacyfamilytree.com/ >> > Legacy Family Tree Genealogy Software <https://legacyfamilytree.com/> >> > legacyfamilytree.com >> > Learn about Legacy Family Tree; The most comprehensive and easy-to-use >> > genealogy/family history software you can buy. Take the Guided Tour. Try >> > the free demo. >> > Kind regards, >> > >> > Kelly >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > *From:* DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <donauschwaben-villages- >> > [email protected]> on behalf of Connum via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < >> > [email protected]> >> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 18, 2018 4:44 PM >> > *To:* DVHH Mailing List >> > *Subject:* [DVHH] Need help converting file from "RS-Ahnen" software >> > format to GEDCOM >> > >> > Hello everyone, >> > >> > does anyone own the software "RS-Ahnen"? I have some genealogy files >> that I >> > believe have been generated with that software, but as I don't own it, I >> > can't open them. Would anyone be willing to import them, export them in >> > GEDCOM format and send them back to me? >> > >> > Kind regards >> > Constantin >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >

I highly recommend Stasa Cvetkovic - I believe out of Novi Sad, he has helped me quite a bit and many others here on the list. I can't think of his website address off hand, but I'm sure someone else will have it - I thought that I just saw a recommendation for him, but perhaps on a different list. Eve On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 6:36 PM, Kelly Dazet via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < [email protected]> wrote: > Hello Eve and Larry, > > > Thank you very much for this information! Larry, I see that an Adam > Dietrich listed in Tscherwenka that moved to Katsch. Did the records on > file tell you they were from the Heidelberg area? Or did you find that > somewhere else? I actually grew up in the Heidelberg area and my wife was > born and raised there. Have you taken a DNA test? I'm hoping DNA can > give me clues as to where my ancestors lived. > > > Maybe I really need to consider hiring a professional from Novi Sad. I > could travel there myself, but though I'm somewhat fluent in German, I > don't speak a work of Serbian. I feel like I'm just banging my head on > this "brick wall"! If the Neuburg chrurch record was in error, maybe my 2 > x great grandfather was not even born in Kischker and my Dietrichs were > never even there. ???? > > > Thanks again! > > > Kind regards, > > > Kelly > > > ________________________________ > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:19 PM > To: 'Kelly Dazet' > Subject: Re: [DVHH] About lookups and roll calls > > Hello Kelly > > Looking at all the roll call posts and the concern if the information from > various sources is correct I can offer the following: My grandmother was a > Dietrich and she was born in Katsch. I visited Katsch in 2004 and was > fortunate to be allowed to view the hand written ledgers that were housed > in the "city hall". They contained all the births, deaths and marriages > that occurred in the village. I found numerous entries related to my > Dietrich's. > > Also one of my distant cousins here in my Missouri (family was from > Katsch/Crvenka but not Dietrich's) hired a researcher from Novi Sad who > went to the archive center there and found 10 pages of records associated > with his family. > > I realize that both of these options cost money but the information in > many cases is available but probably not an option for most. > > My Dietrich's originally were from the Heidelberg area. When they left > they originally settled in Crvenka before moving to Katsch in the middle > 1800's. > > Larry > > > ----------------------------------------- > > From: "Kelly Dazet via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES" > To: "Bastian Dornbach", "[email protected]" > Cc: > Sent: 18-Jan-2018 17:46:46 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DVHH] About lookups and roll calls > > Thank you Bastian! > > > That is, of course very good advice. I personally have been able to verify > many mistakes in various books and other documents that I've read. Stader's > Sammelwerk is just a compilation of information from many sources, that > may, or may not be accurate. For example for the Dietrichs that I am > researching in Kischker, he uses Lorenz's Unforgettable Kischker as his > source and Lornez say Michael Dietrich was the borther of Nikolaus, when in > fact he was a cousin. > > > Also Dr. Karl Stumpp's huge volume of work, "The Emmigration from Germany > to Russia", which is widely used as a sort of "Bible" by Germans from > Russia, if filled with errors. That emigration, BTW included many > Donauschaben from the Batscka and Bannat. Good that keep in mind while > doing your research. > > > I'm getting to the point where I am sometime's skeptical of KB entries as > well. Who's to say that they are all 100% accurate. Of course there are no > known Lutheran church records for where my Donauschaben ancestors lived in > Kischker, Tscherwenka and Werbass/Neuwerbass. Only the available OSB/OFBs. > Unless they are hidden is some archives in Serbia. > > > Kind regards, > > > Kelly > > > ________________________________ > From: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> > on behalf of Bastian Dornbach via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < > [email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 2:17 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DVHH] About lookups and roll calls > > I would like to share some thoughts about all the lookups and roll calls: > As convenient as it might look to just receive all information from books, > please always be aware that information might not be correct. > > > > From my own experience I know that e.g. the Tschanad Family book has a lot > of flaws (wrong date of death, wrong conclusions about parents,…). > Furthermore regarding my early ancestors who came from the Holy Roman > Empire of German Nations (Germany) into the Banat, the author from the > Tschanad Family book just copied the information from Stader, Treude etc. – > which was also wrong. > > > > That led to me making wrong assumptions and finally standing there without > ancestors, because the people who were supposed to have left Germany to the > Banat in 1765 DID NOT leave their home town – and also died there. > > > > There were two people with the same name in the village, who both had a > son that also had the same name, both born only four months apart in 1764 > (I know! What a coincidence!). > > > > Treude just picked the wrong one, even though the data given in the church > books in Tschanad then didn’t match with the data from the German church > books (e.g. wrong name of my ancestor’s wife that also died already in > Germany right after giving birth to the son – so there was no way she lived > and died in Tschanad then. Furthermore, the name of the wife that died in > Tschanad didn’t match with the name of the wife in Germany). > > > > Only by going into the church record by myself (better said, with the help > of Sorin in Tschanad and an archivist in Germany), I was able to solve the > puzzle about who stayed in Germany and went into the Banat. > > > Always keep your eyes open! > > > Bastian > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

Thanks Kelly, I will have a look at it! I'm mostly using WikiTree and MyHeritage online, but I also have the Family Builder software from MyHeritage. However, that's not able to load those files and I have not found another file converter yet. Kind regards Constantin On 18 January 2018 at 18:27, Kelly Dazet <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Constantin, > > > Do you have any type of family tree software? Usually they allow you to > import data. I'm not familiar with that particular software (RS-Ahnen). > If you don't already have software you may want to consider, Legacy Family > Tree. I think you can get a free trial. They were recently purchased by > MyHeritage and you can connect to your MYHeritage tree with it. The next > version of Legacy Family Tree will be able to sync with your MyHeritage > tree. Another good program is RootsMagic. But it sync with Ancestry.com. > The Legacy Family Tree Webinars are super! Lots of good Webinars by Blaine > Bettinger and Diahan Southard and more. Have you done a google search on > how to convert the file type of the RS-Ahnen to a .ged file? > https://legacyfamilytree.com/ > Legacy Family Tree Genealogy Software <https://legacyfamilytree.com/> > legacyfamilytree.com > Learn about Legacy Family Tree; The most comprehensive and easy-to-use > genealogy/family history software you can buy. Take the Guided Tour. Try > the free demo. > Kind regards, > > Kelly > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <donauschwaben-villages- > [email protected]> on behalf of Connum via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < > [email protected]> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 18, 2018 4:44 PM > *To:* DVHH Mailing List > *Subject:* [DVHH] Need help converting file from "RS-Ahnen" software > format to GEDCOM > > Hello everyone, > > does anyone own the software "RS-Ahnen"? I have some genealogy files that I > believe have been generated with that software, but as I don't own it, I > can't open them. Would anyone be willing to import them, export them in > GEDCOM format and send them back to me? > > Kind regards > Constantin > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Bastian! That is, of course very good advice. I personally have been able to verify many mistakes in various books and other documents that I've read. Stader's Sammelwerk is just a compilation of information from many sources, that may, or may not be accurate. For example for the Dietrichs that I am researching in Kischker, he uses Lorenz's Unforgettable Kischker as his source and Lornez say Michael Dietrich was the borther of Nikolaus, when in fact he was a cousin. Also Dr. Karl Stumpp's huge volume of work, "The Emmigration from Germany to Russia", which is widely used as a sort of "Bible" by Germans from Russia, if filled with errors. That emigration, BTW included many Donauschaben from the Batscka and Bannat. Good that keep in mind while doing your research. I'm getting to the point where I am sometime's skeptical of KB entries as well. Who's to say that they are all 100% accurate. Of course there are no known Lutheran church records for where my Donauschaben ancestors lived in Kischker, Tscherwenka and Werbass/Neuwerbass. Only the available OSB/OFBs. Unless they are hidden is some archives in Serbia. Kind regards, Kelly ________________________________ From: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> on behalf of Bastian Dornbach via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 2:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DVHH] About lookups and roll calls I would like to share some thoughts about all the lookups and roll calls: As convenient as it might look to just receive all information from books, please always be aware that information might not be correct. >From my own experience I know that e.g. the Tschanad Family book has a lot of flaws (wrong date of death, wrong conclusions about parents,…). Furthermore regarding my early ancestors who came from the Holy Roman Empire of German Nations (Germany) into the Banat, the author from the Tschanad Family book just copied the information from Stader, Treude etc. – which was also wrong. That led to me making wrong assumptions and finally standing there without ancestors, because the people who were supposed to have left Germany to the Banat in 1765 DID NOT leave their home town – and also died there. There were two people with the same name in the village, who both had a son that also had the same name, both born only four months apart in 1764 (I know! What a coincidence!). Treude just picked the wrong one, even though the data given in the church books in Tschanad then didn’t match with the data from the German church books (e.g. wrong name of my ancestor’s wife that also died already in Germany right after giving birth to the son – so there was no way she lived and died in Tschanad then. Furthermore, the name of the wife that died in Tschanad didn’t match with the name of the wife in Germany). Only by going into the church record by myself (better said, with the help of Sorin in Tschanad and an archivist in Germany), I was able to solve the puzzle about who stayed in Germany and went into the Banat. Always keep your eyes open! Bastian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello everyone, does anyone own the software "RS-Ahnen"? I have some genealogy files that I believe have been generated with that software, but as I don't own it, I can't open them. Would anyone be willing to import them, export them in GEDCOM format and send them back to me? Kind regards Constantin

Hi Constantin, Do you have any type of family tree software? Usually they allow you to import data. I'm not familiar with that particular software (RS-Ahnen). If you don't already have software you may want to consider, Legacy Family Tree. I think you can get a free trial. They were recently purchased by MyHeritage and you can connect to your MYHeritage tree with it. The next version of Legacy Family Tree will be able to sync with your MyHeritage tree. Another good program is RootsMagic. But it sync with Ancestry.com. The Legacy Family Tree Webinars are super! Lots of good Webinars by Blaine Bettinger and Diahan Southard and more. Have you done a google search on how to convert the file type of the RS-Ahnen to a .ged file? https://legacyfamilytree.com/ Legacy Family Tree Genealogy Software<https://legacyfamilytree.com/> legacyfamilytree.com Learn about Legacy Family Tree; The most comprehensive and easy-to-use genealogy/family history software you can buy. Take the Guided Tour. Try the free demo. Kind regards, Kelly ________________________________ From: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> on behalf of Connum via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 4:44 PM To: DVHH Mailing List Subject: [DVHH] Need help converting file from "RS-Ahnen" software format to GEDCOM Hello everyone, does anyone own the software "RS-Ahnen"? I have some genealogy files that I believe have been generated with that software, but as I don't own it, I can't open them. Would anyone be willing to import them, export them in GEDCOM format and send them back to me? Kind regards Constantin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Always keep your eyes open is a good advice! I have also come across a lot of church book entries with wrong dates, wrong ages, names and birth places that took a lot of research to get solved. But the greatest riddle of all I could solve last year. And you won¹t believe it, in the Official Hungarian civil birth register in Szigetvar in my 1911 born great grandmother¹s entry is written in the wrong father. It took me two years, dozens of e-Mails and letters, many speculations and ideas (but because of this riddle, I got in contact with far relatives, new informations and unknown photographies) until I could compare it with her baptism entry. In this it is written in the correct father, same age, same profession, same residence as the wrong one. I can only guess, why the writer of the civil register wrote in Gusztáv Horváth as father instead of Agoston Dsida. But I know now, why my family was not able to get her birth certificate after her death, as she is listed in the official civil register as Erszébet Horváth instead of Erszébet Dsida. ;) But also the same advice, don¹t always believe everything, that is written down. Where people work, there happen mistakes. Good luck for all researches! Liebe Grüße, Daniela Am 18.01.18, 15:17 schrieb "DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES on behalf of Bastian Dornbach via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES" unter <[email protected] on behalf of [email protected]>: >I would like to share some thoughts about all the lookups and roll calls: >As convenient as it might look to just receive all information from >books, please always be aware that information might not be correct. > > > >From my own experience I know that e.g. the Tschanad Family book has a >lot of flaws (wrong date of death, wrong conclusions about parents,Š). >Furthermore regarding my early ancestors who came from the Holy Roman >Empire of German Nations (Germany) into the Banat, the author from the >Tschanad Family book just copied the information from Stader, Treude etc. >­ which was also wrong. > > > >That led to me making wrong assumptions and finally standing there >without ancestors, because the people who were supposed to have left >Germany to the Banat in 1765 DID NOT leave their home town ­ and also >died there. > > > >There were two people with the same name in the village, who both had a >son that also had the same name, both born only four months apart in 1764 >(I know! What a coincidence!). > > > >Treude just picked the wrong one, even though the data given in the >church books in Tschanad then didn¹t match with the data from the German >church books (e.g. wrong name of my ancestor¹s wife that also died >already in Germany right after giving birth to the son ­ so there was no >way she lived and died in Tschanad then. Furthermore, the name of the >wife that died in Tschanad didn¹t match with the name of the wife in >Germany). > > > >Only by going into the church record by myself (better said, with the >help of Sorin in Tschanad and an archivist in Germany), I was able to >solve the puzzle about who stayed in Germany and went into the Banat. > > >Always keep your eyes open! > > >Bastian > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are some records for Tscherwenka in the archives in Novi Sad - not all dates available Eve On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 12:46 PM, Kelly Dazet via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < [email protected]> wrote: > Thank you Bastian! > > > That is, of course very good advice. I personally have been able to > verify many mistakes in various books and other documents that I've read. > Stader's Sammelwerk is just a compilation of information from many sources, > that may, or may not be accurate. For example for the Dietrichs that I am > researching in Kischker, he uses Lorenz's Unforgettable Kischker as his > source and Lornez say Michael Dietrich was the borther of Nikolaus, when in > fact he was a cousin. > > > Also Dr. Karl Stumpp's huge volume of work, "The Emmigration from Germany > to Russia", which is widely used as a sort of "Bible" by Germans from > Russia, if filled with errors. That emigration, BTW included many > Donauschaben from the Batscka and Bannat. Good that keep in mind while > doing your research. > > > I'm getting to the point where I am sometime's skeptical of KB entries as > well. Who's to say that they are all 100% accurate. Of course there are no > known Lutheran church records for where my Donauschaben ancestors lived in > Kischker, Tscherwenka and Werbass/Neuwerbass. Only the available > OSB/OFBs. Unless they are hidden is some archives in Serbia. > > > Kind regards, > > > Kelly > > > ________________________________ > From: DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> > on behalf of Bastian Dornbach via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < > [email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 2:17 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DVHH] About lookups and roll calls > > I would like to share some thoughts about all the lookups and roll calls: > As convenient as it might look to just receive all information from books, > please always be aware that information might not be correct. > > > > From my own experience I know that e.g. the Tschanad Family book has a lot > of flaws (wrong date of death, wrong conclusions about parents,…). > Furthermore regarding my early ancestors who came from the Holy Roman > Empire of German Nations (Germany) into the Banat, the author from the > Tschanad Family book just copied the information from Stader, Treude etc. – > which was also wrong. > > > > That led to me making wrong assumptions and finally standing there without > ancestors, because the people who were supposed to have left Germany to the > Banat in 1765 DID NOT leave their home town – and also died there. > > > > There were two people with the same name in the village, who both had a > son that also had the same name, both born only four months apart in 1764 > (I know! What a coincidence!). > > > > Treude just picked the wrong one, even though the data given in the church > books in Tschanad then didn’t match with the data from the German church > books (e.g. wrong name of my ancestor’s wife that also died already in > Germany right after giving birth to the son – so there was no way she lived > and died in Tschanad then. Furthermore, the name of the wife that died in > Tschanad didn’t match with the name of the wife in Germany). > > > > Only by going into the church record by myself (better said, with the help > of Sorin in Tschanad and an archivist in Germany), I was able to solve the > puzzle about who stayed in Germany and went into the Banat. > > > Always keep your eyes open! > > > Bastian > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

I would like to share some thoughts about all the lookups and roll calls: As convenient as it might look to just receive all information from books, please always be aware that information might not be correct. >From my own experience I know that e.g. the Tschanad Family book has a lot of flaws (wrong date of death, wrong conclusions about parents,…). Furthermore regarding my early ancestors who came from the Holy Roman Empire of German Nations (Germany) into the Banat, the author from the Tschanad Family book just copied the information from Stader, Treude etc. – which was also wrong. That led to me making wrong assumptions and finally standing there without ancestors, because the people who were supposed to have left Germany to the Banat in 1765 DID NOT leave their home town – and also died there. There were two people with the same name in the village, who both had a son that also had the same name, both born only four months apart in 1764 (I know! What a coincidence!). Treude just picked the wrong one, even though the data given in the church books in Tschanad then didn’t match with the data from the German church books (e.g. wrong name of my ancestor’s wife that also died already in Germany right after giving birth to the son – so there was no way she lived and died in Tschanad then. Furthermore, the name of the wife that died in Tschanad didn’t match with the name of the wife in Germany). Only by going into the church record by myself (better said, with the help of Sorin in Tschanad and an archivist in Germany), I was able to solve the puzzle about who stayed in Germany and went into the Banat. Always keep your eyes open! Bastian

All, I was able to find German sites that offer free downloads of the RS-Ahnen software. Try using Google or visit site ww.heise.DE Tom Myers On Jan 18, 2018 1:26 PM, "Connum via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES" < [email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Kelly, I will have a look at it! > I'm mostly using WikiTree and MyHeritage online, but I also have the Family > Builder software from MyHeritage. However, that's not able to load those > files and I have not found another file converter yet. > > Kind regards > Constantin > > On 18 January 2018 at 18:27, Kelly Dazet <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Constantin, > > > > > > Do you have any type of family tree software? Usually they allow you to > > import data. I'm not familiar with that particular software (RS-Ahnen). > > If you don't already have software you may want to consider, Legacy > Family > > Tree. I think you can get a free trial. They were recently purchased by > > MyHeritage and you can connect to your MYHeritage tree with it. The next > > version of Legacy Family Tree will be able to sync with your MyHeritage > > tree. Another good program is RootsMagic. But it sync with > Ancestry.com. > > The Legacy Family Tree Webinars are super! Lots of good Webinars by > Blaine > > Bettinger and Diahan Southard and more. Have you done a google search > on > > how to convert the file type of the RS-Ahnen to a .ged file? > > https://legacyfamilytree.com/ > > Legacy Family Tree Genealogy Software <https://legacyfamilytree.com/> > > legacyfamilytree.com > > Learn about Legacy Family Tree; The most comprehensive and easy-to-use > > genealogy/family history software you can buy. Take the Guided Tour. Try > > the free demo. > > Kind regards, > > > > Kelly > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <donauschwaben-villages- > > [email protected]> on behalf of Connum via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < > > [email protected]> > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 18, 2018 4:44 PM > > *To:* DVHH Mailing List > > *Subject:* [DVHH] Need help converting file from "RS-Ahnen" software > > format to GEDCOM > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > does anyone own the software "RS-Ahnen"? I have some genealogy files > that I > > believe have been generated with that software, but as I don't own it, I > > can't open them. Would anyone be willing to import them, export them in > > GEDCOM format and send them back to me? > > > > Kind regards > > Constantin > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There is way too much bad information out there, in Familienbuchs and online. Too many people put too much trust in these sources and repeat the same bad information over and over without verification. You must verify your sources or run the risk of telling lies to everyone who relies on your genealogy. Glenn Schwartz President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Schönherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Schüssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Schwartz, Kory, Pierson/Person in Morawitza, Banat; Kalupsky/Chalupsky in Blumenthal, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. Email: [email protected] On 1/18/2018 8:17 AM, Bastian Dornbach via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES wrote: > I would like to share some thoughts about all the lookups and roll calls: As convenient as it might look to just receive all information from books, please always be aware that information might not be correct. > > > > >From my own experience I know that e.g. the Tschanad Family book has a lot of flaws (wrong date of death, wrong conclusions about parents,…). Furthermore regarding my early ancestors who came from the Holy Roman Empire of German Nations (Germany) into the Banat, the author from the Tschanad Family book just copied the information from Stader, Treude etc. – which was also wrong. > > > > That led to me making wrong assumptions and finally standing there without ancestors, because the people who were supposed to have left Germany to the Banat in 1765 DID NOT leave their home town – and also died there. > > > > There were two people with the same name in the village, who both had a son that also had the same name, both born only four months apart in 1764 (I know! What a coincidence!). > > > > Treude just picked the wrong one, even though the data given in the church books in Tschanad then didn’t match with the data from the German church books (e.g. wrong name of my ancestor’s wife that also died already in Germany right after giving birth to the son – so there was no way she lived and died in Tschanad then. Furthermore, the name of the wife that died in Tschanad didn’t match with the name of the wife in Germany). > > > > Only by going into the church record by myself (better said, with the help of Sorin in Tschanad and an archivist in Germany), I was able to solve the puzzle about who stayed in Germany and went into the Banat. > > > Always keep your eyes open! > > > Bastian > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Here are some surnames/locations I'm researching. I'm hoping to find where in Germany these ancestors came from. What is the best way to find German location origin? If groups came over together, for instance to Vallaj, is there a way to track this? Mezinger, Melau, Seibl, Lang, Dorner, Hagin, Konczin, Lantzin, Jekli, Rostin, Scheürmann - Vallaj Patz/Pacz, Zdroba, Nagy, Scholtz - Svedlar, Kiralydaroc, Nagykaroly, Alsoszopor Hartman, Homonnai, Dorner, Ginal/Kinal - Marokpapi, Gilvacs Thank you! Sarah Coraggio

This is very good advice. It is very true that many of the Ortsbuchs have incorrect and missing information. There are even mistakes in the church books which take a little bit of detective work to figure out. My father's uncle Imre, which he talked of often couldn't be found in the church books - I looked and looked over and over again. All the siblings were there - but no Imre. I did however find one with a different father's name and after searching the ENTIRE church books found there was NO other father/man with that particular name - hmmm, then I noticed the house number, Ah ha....there it was the same house number on all the other siblings records but the priest had recorded the father's name incorrectly - oh brother. So yes, check you facts - and double check them - no matter what the source is!!! Eve On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 9:17 AM, Bastian Dornbach via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > I would like to share some thoughts about all the lookups and roll calls: > As convenient as it might look to just receive all information from books, > please always be aware that information might not be correct. > > > > From my own experience I know that e.g. the Tschanad Family book has a lot > of flaws (wrong date of death, wrong conclusions about parents,…). > Furthermore regarding my early ancestors who came from the Holy Roman > Empire of German Nations (Germany) into the Banat, the author from the > Tschanad Family book just copied the information from Stader, Treude etc. – > which was also wrong. > > > > That led to me making wrong assumptions and finally standing there without > ancestors, because the people who were supposed to have left Germany to the > Banat in 1765 DID NOT leave their home town – and also died there. > > > > There were two people with the same name in the village, who both had a > son that also had the same name, both born only four months apart in 1764 > (I know! What a coincidence!). > > > > Treude just picked the wrong one, even though the data given in the church > books in Tschanad then didn’t match with the data from the German church > books (e.g. wrong name of my ancestor’s wife that also died already in > Germany right after giving birth to the son – so there was no way she lived > and died in Tschanad then. Furthermore, the name of the wife that died in > Tschanad didn’t match with the name of the wife in Germany). > > > > Only by going into the church record by myself (better said, with the help > of Sorin in Tschanad and an archivist in Germany), I was able to solve the > puzzle about who stayed in Germany and went into the Banat. > > > Always keep your eyes open! > > > Bastian > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

You make a good point about double-checking things, Bastian. I’ve had similar experiences with a couple of the family books, where I found questionable information that I was able to correct with help from looking up the KBs. To be fair to the family book authors, the state of the original records isn’t always so great - the record keeper’s handwriting can be terrible, or the pages are damaged and the record is hard to read at all. Other times, family connections might be missed because a name changed spelling, or the KB itself is inconsistent (especially with changing first names of mothers across the birth records of their children). In those cases, the family book authors are doing the best they can, but it’s inevitable some mistakes will creep into the work. Since we have the time and particular focus to explore our own families, we’re in the best position to figure out those issues. I like to use the family books as the starting point, and then confirming against the KBs as much as possible. That may be about all we can do until someone invents a time machine, so that we could go back and get the information first hand. ;-) Cheers, Linda On Jan 18, 2018, at 9:17 AM, Bastian Dornbach via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <[email protected]> wrote: > I would like to share some thoughts about all the lookups and roll calls: As convenient as it might look to just receive all information from books, please always be aware that information might not be correct. > > > > From my own experience I know that e.g. the Tschanad Family book has a lot of flaws (wrong date of death, wrong conclusions about parents,…). Furthermore regarding my early ancestors who came from the Holy Roman Empire of German Nations (Germany) into the Banat, the author from the Tschanad Family book just copied the information from Stader, Treude etc. – which was also wrong. > > > > That led to me making wrong assumptions and finally standing there without ancestors, because the people who were supposed to have left Germany to the Banat in 1765 DID NOT leave their home town – and also died there. > > > > There were two people with the same name in the village, who both had a son that also had the same name, both born only four months apart in 1764 (I know! What a coincidence!). > > > > Treude just picked the wrong one, even though the data given in the church books in Tschanad then didn’t match with the data from the German church books (e.g. wrong name of my ancestor’s wife that also died already in Germany right after giving birth to the son – so there was no way she lived and died in Tschanad then. Furthermore, the name of the wife that died in Tschanad didn’t match with the name of the wife in Germany). > > > > Only by going into the church record by myself (better said, with the help of Sorin in Tschanad and an archivist in Germany), I was able to solve the puzzle about who stayed in Germany and went into the Banat. > > > Always keep your eyes open! > > > Bastian > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message