Thank you Roy for that thorough explanation. Robyne Somerville On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 3:16 PM +1100, "Roy Engel" <royengel@rogers.com> wrote: It is important to understand the difference between nationality and ancestry. They have different definitions. A person's nationality is the name of the country in which they hold citizenship. It has no direct relationship to their ancestry. Those of us that live in the USA or Canada know this to be very obvious, unless you happen to belong to the indigenous community in North America. If we have a discussion about ancestry, we have to clarify if we wish to discuss cultural or ethnic ancestry, or whether we want to discuss DNA ancestry. Once again, they are not necessarily the same thing. A person's ethnic or cultural ancestry generally refers to the location, language, customs, cuisine, etc. that was the realm of their most recent ancestors. To put it bluntly, if your immediate ancestors spoke German, wore lederhosen and ate bratwurst, they were Germanic and no DNA test will change this. DNA ancestry, when it is used to estimate an individual's geographic origin, is an attempt to define a person's deep ancestral roots based on statistics from a large DNA database of individuals. The CBC Marketplace investigation showed that this is not an exacting science because each DNA ancestry provider uses their own database and that is fraught with two main problems. Firstly, any database, no matter how large, is only a sampling. Secondly, as was pointed out in the TV report, almost all human DNA is the same. About 99% of our DNA is the same, so teasing out small differences on certain key chromosome markers was not an easy task. One of the biggest problems is that it is impossible to know exactly how humans migrated throughout the world since the dawn of modern humanity. Nobody kept any records in those very early days. We can only rely on anthropological clues and what we can infer from the distribution of people around the world in modern times. I think we can confidently assume that genetically distinct people did not move as distinct, cohesive groups throughout human history without any mixing. This is exactly why the pie charts and percentages that you receive with your results never give you a result that is 100% of any given ancestry. My biggest frustration is that these percentages are never properly explained and the CBC report failed to do so as well. When you see a breakdown of your results with percentages of various ancestries, it does not mean that you have ancestors that ever lived in those parts of the world. What it does mean is that your genetic profile, which is based on the values on these genetic markers for which you have been tested, correspond to people currently living in those parts of the world, predicted as a percentage. For example, if your report says that your genetic profile includes 15% Scandinavian, this does not mean that 15% of your ancestors came from Scandinavian countries. In fact, it is very possible that none of your ancestors were ever in Scandinavia. What it does mean is this: Your genetic profile indicates that you share approximately 15% of the markers that you had tested with those people who are known to have Scandinavian ancestry. What the tests can never tell you is whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was truly Scandinavian or whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was also common to people who migrated to the Scandinavian countries at some time later in history. The difference is a bit subtle but it does have significant implications as to where you think your ancestors came from in the world. Also be aware that only some of your markers are tested. The companies that do the testing pick a representative small number of markers. You can have more markers tested, which will refine your results and increase the confidence level of your results, but you have to pay more for this. Regards, Roy On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 6:01:40 p.m. EST, bguysmom via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES wrote: I have done ancestry family tree 23&me I had my brothers do Ancestry to see the German it says Great Britian when I know 100% my Kircher Tobias are from Billed Hungary. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: MARY ANN HUESER Date: 1/20/19 5:44 PM (GMT-05:00) To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] DNA Testing There was a great program on TV the other night regarding finding out what nationality you are by doing DNA testing. Hopefully, copying and pasting will get you the program to watch on line. https://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/episodes/2018-2019/dna-ancestry-tests-can-you-trust-the-results Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
My ancestry DNA also showed a high percent of "Great Britain" it also showed "Western European Germanic". There are some known migrations of groups over the last 2200 years. There are also some common DNA points shared. I had actually called ancestry about this a couple of years ago. After that point they changed my profile considerably when they took new samples 3 times the size of the previous. Here is what I found: - DNA wise, the English showed about 23% as Irish. This was not surprising since the previous residents were Celts until the Romans invaded. - Banat DNA (at least mine) corresponds to the Germanic and French (but you say, the French are also Germanic, yes!) and some Italian and Greek and a few other groups (known history). My ancestors came from (at least on one part of my mom's maternal line) Luxembourg, Luxembourg; Luxembourg, Belgium and Alsace. These three tiny places all border each other and are on the border with Germandy and France. I have been told by relatives who are also doing the research that there was something like a crescent (my term) that stretched across northern Geermany to Poland and maybe a bit farther east that wrapped around to the south. - Migration wise, the Celts (or Gauls or as in the bible the Galatians) occupied the continent from the Pyrenes across what is now modern France and then down below modern Germany and across to what is now the northern part of modern Turkey (hence the epistle to the "Galatians" in "Asia" (Asia Minor as it is at times called.) - The Romans came and conquered the Gauls (Juliau Ceaser's commentaries). So Italians moved in to colonize. After a while more "Germanic" tribes migrated from the east and settled in France (the Franks) and other places (Spain - the Goths and Visigoths). The Germans also sacked Rome (the Vandals from which is derived the term "vandalism". - Before the Germanic invasions of the empire, the Romans managed to occupy quite a bit of Britain. - After the western part of the empire crumbled, more Germanic tribes also invaded Britain. (Anyone learn about the Angles (from whence the name "England" is derived) Saxons, and Jutes) - After the Angles, Saxons and Jutes, "Norse Men" (Norman) and Danes, and others used to pillage and plunder England. - By the time Harols was king, William of Normandy invaded. So there. Now we have French, Norman, Italian, and three proinces of Germany sharing their DNA with the "Irish" (Some might say I stretch that, but only a wee bit). Of course they confuse us and think we are part "Great Britain". On top of it all, anyone who knows the origin of my surname should see that my father was completely Irish. So my DNA under the revised version has me at between 50 and 59% Irish) OK. I thought that was fun typing it all up! LOL Michael Nolan (ancestors Devaney, Finn, Murphy and others.) > On January 20, 2019 at 8:16 PM Roy Engel <royengel@rogers.com mailto:royengel@rogers.com > wrote: > > > It is important to understand the difference between nationality and ancestry. They have different definitions. A person's nationality is the name of the country in which they hold citizenship. It has no direct relationship to their ancestry. Those of us that live in the USA or Canada know this to be very obvious, unless you happen to belong to the indigenous community in North America. If we have a discussion about ancestry, we have to clarify if we wish to discuss cultural or ethnic ancestry, or whether we want to discuss DNA ancestry. Once again, they are not necessarily the same thing. A person's ethnic or cultural ancestry generally refers to the location, language, customs, cuisine, etc. that was the realm of their most recent ancestors. To put it bluntly, if your immediate ancestors spoke German, wore lederhosen and ate bratwurst, they were Germanic and no DNA test will change this. DNA ancestry, when it is used to estimate an individual's geographic origin, is an attempt to define a person's deep ancestral roots based on statistics from a large DNA database of individuals. The CBC Marketplace investigation showed that this is not an exacting science because each DNA ancestry provider uses their own database and that is fraught with two main problems. Firstly, any database, no matter how large, is only a sampling. Secondly, as was pointed out in the TV report, almost all human DNA is the same. About 99% of our DNA is the same, so teasing out small differences on certain key chromosome markers was not an easy task. One of the biggest problems is that it is impossible to know exactly how humans migrated throughout the world since the dawn of modern humanity. Nobody kept any records in those very early days. We can only rely on anthropological clues and what we can infer from the distribution of people around the world in modern times. I think we can confidently assume that genetically distinct people did not move as distinct, cohesiv e groups throughout human history without any mixing. This is exactly why the pie charts and percentages that you receive with your results never give you a result that is 100% of any given ancestry. My biggest frustration is that these percentages are never properly explained and the CBC report failed to do so as well. When you see a breakdown of your results with percentages of various ancestries, it does not mean that you have ancestors that ever lived in those parts of the world. What it does mean is that your genetic profile, which is based on the values on these genetic markers for which you have been tested, correspond to people currently living in those parts of the world, predicted as a percentage. For example, if your report says that your genetic profile includes 15% Scandinavian, this does not mean that 15% of your ancestors came from Scandinavian countries. In fact, it is very possible that none of your ancestors were ever in Scandinavia. What it does mean is thi s: Your genetic profile indicates that you share approximately 15% of the markers that you had tested with those people who are known to have Scandinavian ancestry. What the tests can never tell you is whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was truly Scandinavian or whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was also common to people who migrated to the Scandinavian countries at some time later in history. The difference is a bit subtle but it does have significant implications as to where you think your ancestors came from in the world. Also be aware that only some of your markers are tested. The companies that do the testing pick a representative small number of markers. You can have more markers tested, which will refine your results and increase the confidence level of your results, but you have to pay more for this. > Regards, > Roy > On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 6:01:40 p.m. EST, bguysmom via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com mailto:donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > wrote: > > I have done ancestry family tree 23&me I had my brothers do Ancestry to see the German it says Great Britian when I know 100% my Kircher Tobias are from Billed Hungary. > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > -------- Original message --------From: MARY ANN HUESER <mahueser@hotmail.com mailto:mahueser@hotmail.com > Date: 1/20/19 5:44 PM (GMT-05:00) To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com mailto:donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] DNA Testing > There was a great program on TV the other night regarding finding out what nationality you are by doing DNA testing. > > Hopefully, copying and pasting will get you the program to watch on line. > > https://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/episodes/2018-2019/dna-ancestry-tests-can-you-trust-the-results > > > Mary Ann > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >
Roy, Thank you for this extremely helpful explanation. -----Original Message----- From: Roy Engel <royengel@rogers.com> To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Cc: bguysmom <bguysmom@aol.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2019 11:17 pm Subject: [DVHH] Re: DNA Testing It is important to understand the difference between nationality and ancestry. They have different definitions. A person's nationality is the name of the country in which they hold citizenship. It has no direct relationship to their ancestry. Those of us that live in the USA or Canada know this to be very obvious, unless you happen to belong to the indigenous community in North America. If we have a discussion about ancestry, we have to clarify if we wish to discuss cultural or ethnic ancestry, or whether we want to discuss DNA ancestry. Once again, they are not necessarily the same thing. A person's ethnic or cultural ancestry generally refers to the location, language, customs, cuisine, etc. that was the realm of their most recent ancestors. To put it bluntly, if your immediate ancestors spoke German, wore lederhosen and ate bratwurst, they were Germanic and no DNA test will change this. DNA ancestry, when it is used to estimate an individual's geographic origin, is an attempt to define a person's deep ancestral roots based on statistics from a large DNA database of individuals. The CBC Marketplace investigation showed that this is not an exacting science because each DNA ancestry provider uses their own database and that is fraught with two main problems. Firstly, any database, no matter how large, is only a sampling. Secondly, as was pointed out in the TV report, almost all human DNA is the same. About 99% of our DNA is the same, so teasing out small differences on certain key chromosome markers was not an easy task. One of the biggest problems is that it is impossible to know exactly how humans migrated throughout the world since the dawn of modern humanity. Nobody kept any records in those very early days. We can only rely on anthropological clues and what we can infer from the distribution of people around the world in modern times. I think we can confidently assume that genetically distinct people did not move as distinct, cohesive groups throughout human history without any mixing. This is exactly why the pie charts and percentages that you receive with your results never give you a result that is 100% of any given ancestry. My biggest frustration is that these percentages are never properly explained and the CBC report failed to do so as well. When you see a breakdown of your results with percentages of various ancestries, it does not mean that you have ancestors that ever lived in those parts of the world. What it does mean is that your genetic profile, which is based on the values on these genetic markers for which you have been tested, correspond to people currently living in those parts of the world, predicted as a percentage. For example, if your report says that your genetic profile includes 15% Scandinavian, this does not mean that 15% of your ancestors came from Scandinavian countries. In fact, it is very possible that none of your ancestors were ever in Scandinavia. What it does mean is this: Your genetic profile indicates that you share approximately 15% of the markers that you had tested with those people who are known to have Scandinavian ancestry. What the tests can never tell you is whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was truly Scandinavian or whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was also common to people who migrated to the Scandinavian countries at some time later in history. The difference is a bit subtle but it does have significant implications as to where you think your ancestors came from in the world. Also be aware that only some of your markers are tested. The companies that do the testing pick a representative small number of markers. You can have more markers tested, which will refine your results and increase the confidence level of your results, but you have to pay more for this. Regards, Roy On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 6:01:40 p.m. EST, bguysmom via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: I have done ancestry family tree 23&me I had my brothers do Ancestry to see the German it says Great Britian when I know 100% my Kircher Tobias are from Billed Hungary. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: MARY ANN HUESER <mahueser@hotmail.com> Date: 1/20/19 5:44 PM (GMT-05:00) To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] DNA Testing There was a great program on TV the other night regarding finding out what nationality you are by doing DNA testing. Hopefully, copying and pasting will get you the program to watch on line. https://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/episodes/2018-2019/dna-ancestry-tests-can-you-trust-the-results Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
It is important to understand the difference between nationality and ancestry. They have different definitions. A person's nationality is the name of the country in which they hold citizenship. It has no direct relationship to their ancestry. Those of us that live in the USA or Canada know this to be very obvious, unless you happen to belong to the indigenous community in North America. If we have a discussion about ancestry, we have to clarify if we wish to discuss cultural or ethnic ancestry, or whether we want to discuss DNA ancestry. Once again, they are not necessarily the same thing. A person's ethnic or cultural ancestry generally refers to the location, language, customs, cuisine, etc. that was the realm of their most recent ancestors. To put it bluntly, if your immediate ancestors spoke German, wore lederhosen and ate bratwurst, they were Germanic and no DNA test will change this. DNA ancestry, when it is used to estimate an individual's geographic origin, is an attempt to define a person's deep ancestral roots based on statistics from a large DNA database of individuals. The CBC Marketplace investigation showed that this is not an exacting science because each DNA ancestry provider uses their own database and that is fraught with two main problems. Firstly, any database, no matter how large, is only a sampling. Secondly, as was pointed out in the TV report, almost all human DNA is the same. About 99% of our DNA is the same, so teasing out small differences on certain key chromosome markers was not an easy task. One of the biggest problems is that it is impossible to know exactly how humans migrated throughout the world since the dawn of modern humanity. Nobody kept any records in those very early days. We can only rely on anthropological clues and what we can infer from the distribution of people around the world in modern times. I think we can confidently assume that genetically distinct people did not move as distinct, cohesive groups throughout human history without any mixing. This is exactly why the pie charts and percentages that you receive with your results never give you a result that is 100% of any given ancestry. My biggest frustration is that these percentages are never properly explained and the CBC report failed to do so as well. When you see a breakdown of your results with percentages of various ancestries, it does not mean that you have ancestors that ever lived in those parts of the world. What it does mean is that your genetic profile, which is based on the values on these genetic markers for which you have been tested, correspond to people currently living in those parts of the world, predicted as a percentage. For example, if your report says that your genetic profile includes 15% Scandinavian, this does not mean that 15% of your ancestors came from Scandinavian countries. In fact, it is very possible that none of your ancestors were ever in Scandinavia. What it does mean is this: Your genetic profile indicates that you share approximately 15% of the markers that you had tested with those people who are known to have Scandinavian ancestry. What the tests can never tell you is whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was truly Scandinavian or whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was also common to people who migrated to the Scandinavian countries at some time later in history. The difference is a bit subtle but it does have significant implications as to where you think your ancestors came from in the world. Also be aware that only some of your markers are tested. The companies that do the testing pick a representative small number of markers. You can have more markers tested, which will refine your results and increase the confidence level of your results, but you have to pay more for this. Regards, Roy On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 6:01:40 p.m. EST, bguysmom via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: I have done ancestry family tree 23&me I had my brothers do Ancestry to see the German it says Great Britian when I know 100% my Kircher Tobias are from Billed Hungary. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: MARY ANN HUESER <mahueser@hotmail.com> Date: 1/20/19 5:44 PM (GMT-05:00) To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] DNA Testing There was a great program on TV the other night regarding finding out what nationality you are by doing DNA testing. Hopefully, copying and pasting will get you the program to watch on line. https://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/episodes/2018-2019/dna-ancestry-tests-can-you-trust-the-results Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Jarek: Simon Bischoff/ Katarina nee Lang family. His parents were Johann & Margaretha Filips I’m also hoping someone might have information on how to obtain church records from Saarlouis, Germany from early 1700’s. Zsablya: Johann & Margaretha née Ott Kind Regards, Jaime Brunet Sent from my iPhone
Hell Bradley Schwebler, Have you compared your family with Kelly Dazet’s? I think you have common ancestors. Anne Dreer
KERNEI --- Rill, Dworatschek/Dvoracsek Sent from Mail for Windows 10
All the following families lived in Tscherwenka, Batschka: BECKER, KLIPPEL (or KNIPPEL), JUDT, WERTH, MUNTZ, KERN, DUNKEL, LITZENBERGER, SCHLARB, FRIEDMANN, PETER, SIMON, ESCHENAUER, BINGEL, SCHWARTZ and BRUCKNER. This information came from Angela Hefner's "Tscherwenka Familienbuch", except for the surname KNIPPEL which my father told me was his grandmother's maiden name. There is no Knippel in the familienbuch, only KLIPPEL so I am not certain which is correct. Tscherwenka (now Crvenka, Serbia) is near Kula. Judy OffenCaledonia, NY
Hi Jane, Anton's grandfather was Andreas Ritter born abt 1812 In Pardan, Banat. He is the earliest settler in the region. Elisabeth Pfeiffer was born abt 1835 in Lovrin. Robert Evensen On 1/20/2019 6:28 PM, Jane Heath wrote: > I am looking for information on my maternal grandfather Anton(?) Ritter. > My grandfather said he was called “White Tony” because of his ultra blond > hair. > Born: 31 December, 1862 Lenauheim, Timis, Romania > Died: 22 August, 1942 Lenauheim, Timis, Romania. > Married: Margaretha Bitto > Parents: Jakob Ritter and Elisabeta Pfeiffer > Siblings: > 1. Nicholas Ritter 1887 Lenauheim - 1959 Montaña, USA never married > 2. Katharine Ritter 1893 Lenauheim- 1984 Pennsylvania, USA married Mathias > Enderle > 3. Margaret Ritter 1895 Lenauheim > 4. Henry Ritter 1895 Lenauheim > 5. Anna Ritter 1896 Lenauheim > 6. Elisabeth Ritter 1898 Lenauheim- 1987 Pennsylvania, USA married Karl > Krohn > I am looking for any information you may have about the Ritter Family and > when they arrived in Lenauheim as the name Ritter does not appear on the > original settlement homes map. > Thank you! > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
I suppose I should have put my surnames in the subject, so I'm re-sending this. I apologize for the repeat. On 1/20/2019 7:26 PM, Mark wrote: > Hello all: > > I'm looking for information concerning: > > Town: Beresztóc (also known as Banatski Brestovac, or Brestowatz, or > Rustendorf). > > Names: Liebgott, Jovanovich, Pohl, Zimmermann. > > Thanks much, > > Mark Reed > > / > / > > / > / > > On 1/19/2019 6:55 PM, Darlene Dimitrie wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> It's that time of year again! ROLL CALL TIME!!! >> >> Time for everyone to share the towns and surnames they are researching, >> including any brick walls with families. >> >> Some guidelines to make this easier and clearer for all of us: >> 1. Put ROLL CALL at the beginning of the subject line >> 1. Include town and surname in your subject, if applicable. Capitalize >> the town name. >> 2. Simple lists, i.e.: >> a) Town name with the surnames listed or >> b) Surname with a list of town names >> c) A combination of towns and surnames >> 3. Start your own ROLL CALL post. Don't reply to someone else's to >> start >> your own. >> 4. Keep responding to the list as well as the poster, so that we can >> all >> share in the discovery of new information. >> 5. Thank the posters who take the time to research and post answers to >> your queries. >> 6. Remember this is plain text, not HTML, so bolding, underlining, >> italics, letters with accents, anything fancy is not supported. >> >> I'll send out a post with a couple of examples using my towns and >> families. >> >> Looking forward to hearing from all of you. This is my favourite >> activity >> on the mailing list! >> >> ----------------------------------------------- >> Darlene Dimitrie >> DVHH Mailing List Administrator >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >> RootsWeb community >> > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community
Hello all: I'm looking for information concerning: Town: Beresztóc (also known as Banatski Brestovac, or Brestowatz, or Rustendorf). Names: Liebgott, Jovanovich, Pohl, Zimmermann. Thanks much, Mark Reed / / / / On 1/19/2019 6:55 PM, Darlene Dimitrie wrote: > Hello everyone, > > It's that time of year again! ROLL CALL TIME!!! > > Time for everyone to share the towns and surnames they are researching, > including any brick walls with families. > > Some guidelines to make this easier and clearer for all of us: > 1. Put ROLL CALL at the beginning of the subject line > 1. Include town and surname in your subject, if applicable. Capitalize > the town name. > 2. Simple lists, i.e.: > a) Town name with the surnames listed or > b) Surname with a list of town names > c) A combination of towns and surnames > 3. Start your own ROLL CALL post. Don't reply to someone else's to start > your own. > 4. Keep responding to the list as well as the poster, so that we can all > share in the discovery of new information. > 5. Thank the posters who take the time to research and post answers to > your queries. > 6. Remember this is plain text, not HTML, so bolding, underlining, > italics, letters with accents, anything fancy is not supported. > > I'll send out a post with a couple of examples using my towns and families. > > Looking forward to hearing from all of you. This is my favourite activity > on the mailing list! > > ----------------------------------------------- > Darlene Dimitrie > DVHH Mailing List Administrator > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >
Ian, I'll take any additional information you have. My email address is msperrucci@gmail.com. Thx! Marlene On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 12:32 PM Ian Schoenherr via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Thanks for the file, Marlene and Darlene - > And apologies to all for the wonky formatting of my original query (not > sure what went wrong). I've had pretty good luck with Marianna LAGARD (in > fact, if you need some extra details on her ancestors, I have some), but > her husband Jakob JOST's forebears are still a mystery - and I haven't been > able to positively link him with, say, the JOSTs mentioned in the Lovrin > Heimatbuch and the Familienbuch Perjamosch. > On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 1:17:11 PM EST, Darlene Dimitrie < > darlene.lists@cogeco.ca> wrote: > > > https://ln.sync.com/dl/80c8fc330/5bxfs482-d2akxd9d-eiu3663m-y8xnx5jk > > Here's a link to the Pedigree Pdf file that Marlene attached to her email > below. > Includes the Jost family. > > Just a reminder that Rootsweb strips attachments from our posts. > -- > Darlene > http://www.dvhh.org/membership/associates.htm#D > > On 20-Jan-2019 11:19 AM, Marlene Perrucci wrote: > > Greetings from the Chicago area. This is what I have for Marianna > Lagard... > > > > Marlene Straub Perrucci > > > > On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 7:27 AM Ian Schoenherr via > DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < > > donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > >> I haven't posted in a long time, but I still haven’t fleshed out nor > >> traced back the following families in Kathreinfeld: > >> Anton TOMA born: c.1800-20 Kathreinfeld > >> married: Kathreinfelddied: ? > >> spouse: Kristina LORENZborn: c.1800-20 Kathreinfelddied: ? > >> Martin TOMA (son of Anton TOMA and Kristina LORENZ)born: 12 Nov 1839 > >> Kathreinfeld married: c.1860died: ? > >> spouse: Elisabetha LAMBERT born: after 1841 Kathreinfeld died: ? > >> ----Also, I’ve traced the descendants of Jakob JOST of Lovrin, but know > >> nothing of his origins: > >> Jakob JOST > >> born: c.1792 Lovrindied: 1 Jul 1849 Sigmundfeldmarried: 8 Sep 1816 > >> Sigmundfeld spouse: Marianna LAGARD (*1798 St. Hubert) > >> > >> Many thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >
I have hit brick walls from all sides of my family. I am mainly interested in the following: Jacobus Schmidt, born in 1876 in Sandoregyhaza, marriedEva Meszecsov (mother of Eva Schmidt listed below). Eva Schmidt, born on 4 Aug 1907 in Sandoregyhaza, married Julius (Gyula) Cseke, born on 12 Apr 1909 in Sandoregyhaza (Ivanovo). Veronika Miklos, born in 1870 in Hadikfalva (Suceava Romania), marriedMartinus Cseke, born in 1865 in Hadikfalva. I also have all birth, marriage, and death records for Ivanovo (Sandoregyhaza/Alexandekirchen) and Skorenovac (Szekelykeve) if anyone needs me to look up any names. Thank you all for your help! Eva
My grandfather, Franz Dohr (previously Thor) also came from Gross Jetscha and emigrated to St. Louis in 1912. There have been several marriages over the years between distant Dohr family member and members of the Ludwig and Ehrenreich families. Information available if needed. Frank Dohr St. Louis, MO frankdohr@att.net -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1/19/19, Marsha Koch <mkwkoch@outlook.com> wrote: Subject: [DVHH] ROLL CALL - GROSS JETCHA - Ludwig, Ehrenreich To: "DVHH Mailing List" <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, January 19, 2019, 9:47 PM GROSS JETCHA - Ludwig, Ehrenreich I have not had time to do in-depth research on my maternal grandparents Christian Ludwig and Susanna Ehrenreich from Gross Jetcha, but my uncle John Ludwig gave me a lot of information about several generations of their ancestors. They were Germans living in Romania and emigrated to the U.S. In 1923. I have connected with a relative who shares DNA with me and who is a descendant of my ggrandfather's sister. Marsha Koch St. Louis MO USA _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
I am looking for information on my maternal grandfather Anton(?) Ritter. My grandfather said he was called “White Tony” because of his ultra blond hair. Born: 31 December, 1862 Lenauheim, Timis, Romania Died: 22 August, 1942 Lenauheim, Timis, Romania. Married: Margaretha Bitto Parents: Jakob Ritter and Elisabeta Pfeiffer Siblings: 1. Nicholas Ritter 1887 Lenauheim - 1959 Montaña, USA never married 2. Katharine Ritter 1893 Lenauheim- 1984 Pennsylvania, USA married Mathias Enderle 3. Margaret Ritter 1895 Lenauheim 4. Henry Ritter 1895 Lenauheim 5. Anna Ritter 1896 Lenauheim 6. Elisabeth Ritter 1898 Lenauheim- 1987 Pennsylvania, USA married Karl Krohn I am looking for any information you may have about the Ritter Family and when they arrived in Lenauheim as the name Ritter does not appear on the original settlement homes map. Thank you!
Hi all, I'm looking for the origins of my ancestor called Ferdinand Ritter. Much information has been revealed thankfully to this channel! The earliest information that I know is that he had a son who was born in Lowrin in 1791. He was a miller and lived in the mills of many towns in the Banat with his family. His first wife was called Katharina. She died in Gottlob in 1796, and it's written is her death record that she came from Elsass (Alsace). This means that there is a high chance that Ferdinand Ritter also came from Elsass. Ferdinand's death record says that he was from the Holy Roman Empire. Because Lowrin is the first known place, there might be more Ritters in Lowrin who came from Elsass. Leah (Button Button) helped me a lot, by scanning the relevant pages of the book Heimatbuch der Heidegemeinde Lovrin im Banat. On the 91st page of this book, there are 2 Ritters called Andreas and Johann. I know about them, but I would like to know if there are any more books or information that can be gathered about the town Lowrin and the Ritters. Thank you very much for your kind help, Akos A. Ritter
Tscherwenka is Cservenka in Hungarian and Crvenka in Serbian. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 20, 2019, at 2:17 PM, Kelly Dazet <kellydazet@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hello All, > > Peter Schneider and family are another brick wall of mine. I know less about them than the Dietrich family! The following is from the 1812 and 1816 census for Neuburg near Odessa. His daughter Katharina Elisabetha married Jakob Dietrich in Neuburg, Odessa. Her Death record says she was born in Cserowka Ungarn, which I interpret as Tscherwenka, but I could be wrong? > > 1812 > Peter Schneider 43 - Wife: Margaretha 43 > Daughters: Christina 14, Maria 11, Dorothea 3 > Son-in-law: Andreas Ammon 24 - Wife: > Christina 20 > Daughter: Friedrika 6 mo. > > 1816 > Schneider, Peter 46, aus: Jöhlingen/ Karlsruhe- > Ba, seine Frau Margaretha 46, seine Kinder > Maria 14, Marianne, gestorben 1814, > Elisabetha, verheiratet 1815, ferner sein > Schwiegersohn Andreas Ammon 28, seine Frau > Christina 19, deren Tochter Friederika 3. [see > Hungary data earlier in this book] > > Here it says he was from Jöhlingen, but I don't think that is correct. Peter Schneider was Lutheran and Jöhlingen is Catholic community. I haven't been able to find Peter Schneider in any OFB for the Batschka. Again, as with my Schmidt and Dietrich ancestors, the Schneiders were only in the Batscka from about 1786 to 1806 and they were Evangelich Lutheran. > > Kind regards, > > Kelly > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Sorry, I should have explained more, that is what the program was about. - How inaccurate it is! Mary Ann ________________________________ From: Barb Dannenberg <bbd2424@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday 20 January 2019 23:14 To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) Subject: [DVHH] Re: DNA Testing Just because someone from somewhere doesn’t mean that’s what they are. I don’t know how to explain it but maybe someone out there can. All these people migrated from somewhere else. Hope this helps. Barb Sent from my iPad > On Jan 20, 2019, at 4:59 PM, bguysmom via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I have done ancestry family tree 23&me I had my brothers do Ancestry to see the German it says Great Britian when I know 100% my Kircher Tobias are from Billed Hungary. > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > -------- Original message --------From: MARY ANN HUESER <mahueser@hotmail.com> Date: 1/20/19 5:44 PM (GMT-05:00) To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] DNA Testing > There was a great program on TV the other night regarding finding out what nationality you are by doing DNA testing. > > Hopefully, copying and pasting will get you the program to watch on line. > > https://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/episodes/2018-2019/dna-ancestry-tests-can-you-trust-the-results > > > Mary Ann > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Hi Kelly, Yes, we have. The Jakob (born about 1783) that you reference from that 1816 census is most likely the son of the Jakob I referenced who died in 1797 in Verbas. Unfortunately, both our references show the Bitz family as coming from Wiesloch (or Wieslodt, which I assume is an error as I dont see a Wieslodt in the Meyers Gazetteer), so it doesnt help me find them. My suspicion is that they may have come from a nearby village and just listed Wiesloch because it was the nearest big town or something. Of course, its been awhile since I looked for that branch of the family, so it may be worth poking around again. But at the moment, Im stumped with them. Those Schmidts are a puzzlement. Such a common name. Its possible my Balsamina and yours were related since theyre both from Verbas, but hard to know. ____________________________ Carolyn Schott Author of <http://carolynschott.com/published/> Visiting Your Ancestral Town Follow me on Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/CarolynSchottAuthor> ! Email: carolyn@carolynschott.com <mailto:carolyn@carolynschott.com> From: Kelly Dazet [mailto:kellydazet@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 10:37 AM To: Carolyn Schott <cgschott@comcast.net>; Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Roll Call - Klein in GYOENK and VERBAS; Bitz & Schmidt in VERBAS Hi Carolyn, I think we corresponded once before about the Schmidts in Verbas/New Verbas. I did see Jacob and Balsamina listed in one of the OFBs for Verbas. Also found a likely relation in the 1816 Census for Freundental, Odessa, South Russia (Ukraine). (from Stumpp) House 65 Bitz, Jakob 33, aus: Wieslodt / Heidelberg-Ba (1784 ü. Neuverbas / Ungarn), seine Frau Katharina 29, seine Töchter Margaretha 8, Magdalena 6, Elisabeth 3, Christina 1. This is my Schmidt family in that same Census, also from Verbas House 69, s. audt 40 Sdtmitt, Margaretha (Becker), 1814 nach der Kolonie Neuburg wiederverheiratet, ihre Kinder Simon 20, Peter 25, dessen Frau Margaretha 25, seine Kinder Sophie 4, Johann 2. Margaretha Becker was married to Ludwig Schmidt who came from Tahlfang, Pflaz as a Widower with many children mostly daughters but none were listed as Basamina I wonder if there could be a relationship because I seem to recall a Bitz as a witness on one of the Schmidt children baptisms, though I can't find it at the moment. As you may know the Village of Freudental was founded by Lutheran emigrants from Germans from Hungary, mostly from the Batschka, and few from the Banat. Kind regards, Kelly _____ From: Carolyn Schott <cgschott@comcast.net <mailto:cgschott@comcast.net> > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:49 PM To: 'Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)' Subject: [DVHH] Roll Call - Klein in GYOENK and VERBAS; Bitz & Schmidt in VERBAS Klein: I'm stuck. Johann Peter Klein was born about 1737. Died 1798 in Gyoenk, Tolna, Schwaebische Tuerkei. His wife was Maria Elisabetha, maiden name unknown. His father was Georg Philip Klein, who died before 1750. Based on the years he was having children, Georg Philip was probably born before the 1720s when Germans were coming to Schwaebische Tuerkei. So he was probably born in Germany, but I have no clues where to look. Bitz: Jacob Bitz died 1797 in Verbas. The Stader book said he was born 1740 in Wiesloch, Heidelberg, Germany, but I couldn't find a birth record for him there. Schmidt: Balsamina Schmidt - I know almost nothing about her except she was married to Jacob Bitz (who was born in 1740, so she might have been born around the same time). Family lived in Verbas. ____________________________ Carolyn Schott Author of Visiting Your Ancestral Town Follow me on Facebook! 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