Karl I have many HUBCHENs in my Mercydorf familienbuch vol. 1 , but it only goes up to 1843.  If you can find someone with vol. 2, you might find the answers you are looking for. Rhonda Friedl Staudt -----Original Message----- From: karl huebchen <huebchen@hotmail.com> To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 21, 2019 12:11 pm Subject: [DVHH] Re: ROLL CALL: HUEBCHEN / HUBCHEN / HUBSCHEN in MERCYDORF or NOVI VRBAS Noelle; Thank you for the reply. I grew up Lutheran, and so I assume that is what my parents were prior to coming to the US; perhaps Daniel switched to Catholicism at some point. Or else I am just using the improper term for the head of the church. Karl ________________________________ From: Noelle Giesse <ngiesse@verizon.net> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 7:33 AM To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) Subject: [DVHH] Re: ROLL CALL: HUEBCHEN / HUBCHEN / HUBSCHEN in MERCYDORF or NOVI VRBAS I looked in the Neuwerbass books and did not find a match for the information you listed. You mentioned one of them becoming a priest.  Can I assume the family was Catholic?  I will look in the Kalocsa Archive records as well. Noelle Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 20, 2019, at 3:41 PM, karl huebchen <huebchen@hotmail.com> wrote: > > All; > > I am looking for the family of my father's (Raimund Huebchen(1929-1998)) father's (Karl Hubchen (1892-1966)) brother (Daniel Hubchen (1899-?)). The information I have suggests my father was born in Novi Vrbas, and his father may have been born in Mercydorf. I had heard somewhere that Daniel became a priest in a town to the west of either Mercydorf or Novi Vrbas, and that he had family there. 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Many thanks, Dieter, for the kind offer. I have some of those pages, thanks to Diana Lambing, and need to review what I have before asking for help. Thanks to this wonderful site and the kind sharing of its members, I have connected with a distant relative living in my own city! And we will be meeting to share information soon. I knew there were relations here but did not have names/contact information of those living. He subscribes to this site also! How wonderful! Marsha Koch St. Louis MO USA -----Original Message----- From: Hans-Dieter Heidenfelder <Hans-Dieter.Heidenfelder@online.de> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 3:39 AM To: Marsha Koch <mkwkoch@outlook.com> Cc: DVHH <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DVHH] ROLL CALL - GROSS JETCHA - Ludwig, Ehrenreich Hi Marsha, there are several pages with Ludwig and Ehrenreich families in the family book of Grossjetscha. If you are interested I will send you copies. Dieter Heidenfelder Am 20.01.2019 um 04:47 schrieb Marsha Koch: > GROSS JETCHA - Ludwig, Ehrenreich > I have not had time to do in-depth research on my maternal grandparents Christian Ludwig and Susanna Ehrenreich from Gross Jetcha, but my uncle John Ludwig gave me a lot of information about several generations of their ancestors. They were Germans living in Romania and emigrated to the U.S. In 1923. I have connected with a relative who shares DNA with me and who is a descendant of my ggrandfather's sister. > > Marsha Koch > St. Louis MO > USA > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@root > sweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and > Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: > http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com > and our loyal RootsWeb community

Paul, Christina's maiden name was Schmidt and she married my Great Grandfather Johannes Dietrich. Karl Pfaff b. 1838 married Katharina Schmidt who died in 1864 and Karl then married her sister Johanna Schmidt. The Schmidt family came to Freudental from Verbas/Neu Verbas . Karl's father was Friedrich Pfaff who I believe was born in Torschau in 1798. Kelly ________________________________ From: Paul Thompson <patjahsd@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 5:48 PM To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) Subject: [DVHH] Re: Roll call: TORSCHAU-FEKETITSCH- Pfaff Pfeiffer Orth Brausch Now that is curious. Karl is a common name in my FTM database - I have 3 - any notion as to the maiden name of the family of your GGGma Christina Schmidt and the names of siblings? Paul On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 10:56 AM Kelly Dazet <kellydazet@hotmail.com> wrote: > Indeed! 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Now that is curious. Karl is a common name in my FTM database - I have 3 - any notion as to the maiden name of the family of your GGGma Christina Schmidt and the names of siblings? Paul On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 10:56 AM Kelly Dazet <kellydazet@hotmail.com> wrote: > Indeed! And one descendant, Karl Pfaff married siblings of my great > grandmother Christina Schmidt. > > ________________________________ > From: Carolyn Schott <cgschott@comcast.net> > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 4:43 PM > To: 'Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)' > Subject: [DVHH] Re: Roll call: TORSCHAU-FEKETITSCH- Pfaff Pfeiffer Orth > Brausch > > Paul – maybe not what you’re specifically looking for, but a lot of Pfaffs > left Torschau and migrated on to the Odessa, Ukraine (Russia at the time) > region. > > > > Pfaffs born in Torschau: > https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blackseagr.org%2Fblksea-db%2Fsearch.php%3Fmybool%3DAND&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1fc55b556bc64853086708d67fbf8f7e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836858069973443&amp;sdata=WqLx5MmeLBv%2BmRV8UZaM8NihKYDWE2eYY2TDLzqKsgk%3D&amp;reserved=0 > < > https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blackseagr.org%2Fblksea-db%2Fsearch.php%3Fmybool%3DAND%26nr%3D50%26tree%3D1%26branch%3D%26mylastname%3DPfaf%26lnqualify%3Dcontains%26mybirthplace%3Dtors%26bpqualify%3Dcontains&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1fc55b556bc64853086708d67fbf8f7e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836858069973443&amp;sdata=rJrlzE52mf%2FLkoyxFciH%2BjS5pQtKK3SIm8AGIq6aI4k%3D&amp;reserved=0> > &nr=50&tree=1&branch=&mylastname=Pfaf&lnqualify=contains&mybirthplace=tors&bpqualify=contains > > > > > > ____________________________ > Carolyn Schott > Author of < > https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcarolynschott.com%2Fpublished%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1fc55b556bc64853086708d67fbf8f7e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836858069973443&amp;sdata=5Q6rSraAZ%2BmXJdMvk5waMR2ihJuKI4i%2BNqNnOtntknU%3D&amp;reserved=0> > “Visiting Your Ancestral Town” > Follow me on < > https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FCarolynSchottAuthor&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1fc55b556bc64853086708d67fbf8f7e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836858069973443&amp;sdata=ZEjhPtX8BFtvxEUjfUfUHIRI43aME2cb95jSFqteyUg%3D&amp;reserved=0> > Facebook! Email: <mailto:carolyn@carolynschott.com> > carolyn@carolynschott.com > > > > > > > > From: Paul Thompson [mailto:patjahsd@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:36 PM > To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) < > donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [DVHH] Roll call: TORSCHAU-FEKETITSCH- Pfaff Pfeiffer Orth Brausch > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: > https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Frootswebpref&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1fc55b556bc64853086708d67fbf8f7e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836858069973443&amp;sdata=PMW31MW4NPPeF9Dvy%2FcAafheffX%2BW65fIAM6yJXfgv8%3D&amp;reserved=0 > Unsubscribe > https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.com%2Fpostorius%2Flists%2Fdonauschwaben-villages%40rootsweb.com&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1fc55b556bc64853086708d67fbf8f7e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836858069973443&amp;sdata=%2FI4Y7NnXGEzamp0GGqfoXmMhmVolDBf3MQs5mvhXuvk%3D&amp;reserved=0 > Privacy Statement: > https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2JWBOdY&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1fc55b556bc64853086708d67fbf8f7e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836858069973443&amp;sdata=9HRav02u1oJ5680%2FhfioABxvL0UWy%2BeCMrNt0btOM%2B0%3D&amp;reserved=0 > Terms and Conditions: > https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2HDBym9&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1fc55b556bc64853086708d67fbf8f7e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836858069973443&amp;sdata=PrqjNVSraaWzEFOAgrzip4QTQdZh%2FZmnObGc8J4whyA%3D&amp;reserved=0 > Rootsweb Blog: > https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frootsweb.blog&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1fc55b556bc64853086708d67fbf8f7e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836858069973443&amp;sdata=iYhPdY%2BHaeLqqd3mKZcdKAMW6uwHHO0P3fF2WhwoIQs%3D&amp;reserved=0 > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Thanks much, Carolyn. At this point, I am not going to open that box. But I'll save your link. I appreciate your note. Paul A. Thompson On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 10:43 AM Carolyn Schott <cgschott@comcast.net> wrote: > Paul – maybe not what you’re specifically looking for, but a lot of Pfaffs > left Torschau and migrated on to the Odessa, Ukraine (Russia at the time) > region. > > > > Pfaffs born in Torschau: > http://www.blackseagr.org/blksea-db/search.php?mybool=AND < > http://www.blackseagr.org/blksea-db/search.php?mybool=AND&nr=50&tree=1&branch=&mylastname=Pfaf&lnqualify=contains&mybirthplace=tors&bpqualify=contains> > &nr=50&tree=1&branch=&mylastname=Pfaf&lnqualify=contains&mybirthplace=tors&bpqualify=contains > > > > > > ____________________________ > Carolyn Schott > Author of <http://carolynschott.com/published/> “Visiting Your Ancestral > Town” > Follow me on <https://www.facebook.com/CarolynSchottAuthor> Facebook! > Email: <mailto:carolyn@carolynschott.com> carolyn@carolynschott.com > > > > > > > > From: Paul Thompson [mailto:patjahsd@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:36 PM > To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) < > donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [DVHH] Roll call: TORSCHAU-FEKETITSCH- Pfaff Pfeiffer Orth Brausch > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Noelle; Thank you for the reply. I grew up Lutheran, and so I assume that is what my parents were prior to coming to the US; perhaps Daniel switched to Catholicism at some point. Or else I am just using the improper term for the head of the church. Karl ________________________________ From: Noelle Giesse <ngiesse@verizon.net> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 7:33 AM To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) Subject: [DVHH] Re: ROLL CALL: HUEBCHEN / HUBCHEN / HUBSCHEN in MERCYDORF or NOVI VRBAS I looked in the Neuwerbass books and did not find a match for the information you listed. You mentioned one of them becoming a priest. Can I assume the family was Catholic? I will look in the Kalocsa Archive records as well. Noelle Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 20, 2019, at 3:41 PM, karl huebchen <huebchen@hotmail.com> wrote: > > All; > > I am looking for the family of my father's (Raimund Huebchen(1929-1998)) father's (Karl Hubchen (1892-1966)) brother (Daniel Hubchen (1899-?)). The information I have suggests my father was born in Novi Vrbas, and his father may have been born in Mercydorf. I had heard somewhere that Daniel became a priest in a town to the west of either Mercydorf or Novi Vrbas, and that he had family there. Unfortunately that is all I have. Any assistance from anyone who has the appropriate books, or else suggestions, would be much appreciated. > > Karl Huebchen > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Frootswebpref&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb473ce0aec464087ef6808d67fbe7fd2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836853502276229&amp;sdata=2za2E5ZM%2Fol3cX6Nat7c3mPw5jwG2uo4efFEEMMQ3%2Fo%3D&amp;reserved=0 > Unsubscribe https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.com%2Fpostorius%2Flists%2Fdonauschwaben-villages%40rootsweb.com&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb473ce0aec464087ef6808d67fbe7fd2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836853502432487&amp;sdata=a4XHv8lLB7xbAtdGJ8KyRerZXEyDwmhJMpnmjmFYa2k%3D&amp;reserved=0 > Privacy Statement: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2JWBOdY&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb473ce0aec464087ef6808d67fbe7fd2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836853502432487&amp;sdata=zZiUHhB8JCETRy6qkZxDyzq14Nh%2FcCq%2BvL5lfgHu8KI%3D&amp;reserved=0 Terms and Conditions: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2HDBym9&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb473ce0aec464087ef6808d67fbe7fd2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836853502432487&amp;sdata=XSxuhBIFQd%2B6n1hHocIqrh0TlmjgTtOalU%2FV1y6H82s%3D&amp;reserved=0 > Rootsweb Blog: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frootsweb.blog&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb473ce0aec464087ef6808d67fbe7fd2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836853502432487&amp;sdata=dvrND1RQP2Z75Vlkoh%2B9%2BReSJXyFwHQQ1xBjEYANVwQ%3D&amp;reserved=0 > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Frootswebpref&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb473ce0aec464087ef6808d67fbe7fd2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836853502432487&amp;sdata=zd1wp04MhJsWtgJw3fa8InZhHiHLhNziJ7%2FmxadoKSI%3D&amp;reserved=0 Unsubscribe https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.com%2Fpostorius%2Flists%2Fdonauschwaben-villages%40rootsweb.com&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb473ce0aec464087ef6808d67fbe7fd2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836853502432487&amp;sdata=a4XHv8lLB7xbAtdGJ8KyRerZXEyDwmhJMpnmjmFYa2k%3D&amp;reserved=0 Privacy Statement: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2JWBOdY&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb473ce0aec464087ef6808d67fbe7fd2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836853502432487&amp;sdata=zZiUHhB8JCETRy6qkZxDyzq14Nh%2FcCq%2BvL5lfgHu8KI%3D&amp;reserved=0 Terms and Conditions: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2HDBym9&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb473ce0aec464087ef6808d67fbe7fd2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836853502432487&amp;sdata=XSxuhBIFQd%2B6n1hHocIqrh0TlmjgTtOalU%2FV1y6H82s%3D&amp;reserved=0 Rootsweb Blog: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frootsweb.blog&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb473ce0aec464087ef6808d67fbe7fd2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836853502432487&amp;sdata=dvrND1RQP2Z75Vlkoh%2B9%2BReSJXyFwHQQ1xBjEYANVwQ%3D&amp;reserved=0 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hello Judy, In Tscherwenka we find both names KNIPPEL as well as KLIPPEL for one and the same person in the family. Angela Hefner knew, the family came from Torschau, so we have to wait for the results of the research there. Some more information are on the way to your private address. Jakob Götz -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Carl Offen via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES [mailto:donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com] Gesendet: Montag, 21. Januar 2019 02:10 An: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Cc: Carl Offen Betreff: [DVHH] ROLL CALL - TSCHERWENKA, Batschka (now Crvenka, Serbia) All the following families lived in Tscherwenka, Batschka:  BECKER, KLIPPEL (or KNIPPEL), JUDT, WERTH, MUNTZ, KERN, DUNKEL, LITZENBERGER, SCHLARB, FRIEDMANN, PETER, SIMON, ESCHENAUER, BINGEL, SCHWARTZ and BRUCKNER.  This information came from Angela Hefner's "Tscherwenka Familienbuch", except for the surname KNIPPEL which my father told me was his grandmother's maiden name.  There is no Knippel in the familienbuch, only KLIPPEL so I am not certain which is correct.  Tscherwenka (now Crvenka, Serbia) is near Kula. Judy OffenCaledonia, NY _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@root sweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- Diese E-Mail wurde von AVG auf Viren geprüft. http://www.avg.com

Hi Kelly, Yes, I’ve tested my DNA in all the major companies. But for the connections I’m looking for (for example, Balsamina Schmidt), I’d need to match 6th or 7th cousins to find a connection. And at that level, there’s less than a 10% chance we’d share any DNA. It’s not impossible – I recently discovered a 7th cousin match through DNA – but not too likely, unfortunately. So for these distant connections, I’m focusing on traditional genealogy…and will have to keep hunting! ____________________________ Carolyn Schott Author of <http://carolynschott.com/published/> “Visiting Your Ancestral Town” Follow me on Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/CarolynSchottAuthor> ! Email: carolyn@carolynschott.com <mailto:carolyn@carolynschott.com> From: Kelly Dazet [mailto:kellydazet@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 10:01 PM To: Carolyn Schott <cgschott@comcast.net>; 'Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)' <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Roll Call - Klein in GYOENK and VERBAS; Bitz & Schmidt in VERBAS Hi Carolyn, Its Wiesloch. Of course I don't know if this is correct information, though I do know the town's name, near Heidelberg is correct because I lived near there in Dielheim. This was in Baden at the time and there was a lot of emigration east out of this area from 1784 when Lutherans were allowed to settle in Hungary. I wonder about Balsamina and if she could have also been recorded under anther name. Have you done any DNA testing? The villages of Verbas, Neu Verbas, Kischker, and Torshau had many family leave about 1806 for the Odessa and Bessarabia regions of South Russia. Kind regards, Kelly _____ From: Carolyn Schott <cgschott@comcast.net <mailto:cgschott@comcast.net> > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 11:15 PM To: 'Kelly Dazet'; 'Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)' Subject: RE: [DVHH] Roll Call - Klein in GYOENK and VERBAS; Bitz & Schmidt in VERBAS Hi Kelly, Yes, we have. The Jakob (born about 1783) that you reference from that 1816 census is most likely the son of the Jakob I referenced who died in 1797 in Verbas. Unfortunately, both our references show the Bitz family as coming from Wiesloch (or Wieslodt, which I assume is an error as I don’t see a Wieslodt in the Meyers Gazetteer), so it doesn’t help me find them. My suspicion is that they may have come from a nearby village and just listed Wiesloch because it was the nearest big town or something. Of course, it’s been awhile since I looked for that branch of the family, so it may be worth poking around again. But at the moment, I’m stumped with them. Those Schmidts are a puzzlement. Such a common name. It’s possible my Balsamina and yours were related since they’re both from Verbas, but hard to know. ____________________________ Carolyn Schott Author of <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcarolynsch ott.com%2Fpublished%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca3e3d0ccd992493242e008d67f2d343c%7C 84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836229454471097&sdata=W3P69%2B DHwFgZjPZhytsrFvILcqm6ffCuXjXhJxNXrlA%3D&reserved=0> “Visiting Your Ancestral Town” Follow me on Facebook <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.faceb ook.com%2FCarolynSchottAuthor&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca3e3d0ccd992493242e008d67f2d 343c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836229454471097&sdata=1 8adQoQireooRRmQ8KNmXBKxnFN%2B%2BKNEtpE9Ex66QRI%3D&reserved=0> ! Email: carolyn@carolynschott.com <mailto:carolyn@carolynschott.com> From: Kelly Dazet [mailto:kellydazet@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 10:37 AM To: Carolyn Schott <cgschott@comcast.net <mailto:cgschott@comcast.net> >; Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com <mailto:donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [DVHH] Roll Call - Klein in GYOENK and VERBAS; Bitz & Schmidt in VERBAS Hi Carolyn, I think we corresponded once before about the Schmidts in Verbas/New Verbas. I did see Jacob and Balsamina listed in one of the OFBs for Verbas. Also found a likely relation in the 1816 Census for Freundental, Odessa, South Russia (Ukraine). (from Stumpp) House 65 Bitz, Jakob 33, aus: Wieslodt / Heidelberg-Ba (1784 ü. Neuverbas / Ungarn), seine Frau Katharina 29, seine Töchter Margaretha 8, Magdalena 6, Elisabeth 3, Christina 1. This is my Schmidt family in that same Census, also from Verbas House 69, s. audt 40 Sdtmitt, Margaretha (Becker), 1814 nach der Kolonie Neuburg wiederverheiratet, ihre Kinder Simon 20, Peter 25, dessen Frau Margaretha 25, seine Kinder Sophie 4, Johann 2. Margaretha Becker was married to Ludwig Schmidt who came from Tahlfang, Pflaz as a Widower with many children mostly daughters but none were listed as Basamina I wonder if there could be a relationship because I seem to recall a Bitz as a witness on one of the Schmidt children baptisms, though I can't find it at the moment. As you may know the Village of Freudental was founded by Lutheran emigrants from Germans from Hungary, mostly from the Batschka, and few from the Banat. Kind regards, Kelly _____ From: Carolyn Schott <cgschott@comcast.net <mailto:cgschott@comcast.net> > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:49 PM To: 'Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)' Subject: [DVHH] Roll Call - Klein in GYOENK and VERBAS; Bitz & Schmidt in VERBAS Klein: I'm stuck. Johann Peter Klein was born about 1737. Died 1798 in Gyoenk, Tolna, Schwaebische Tuerkei. His wife was Maria Elisabetha, maiden name unknown. His father was Georg Philip Klein, who died before 1750. Based on the years he was having children, Georg Philip was probably born before the 1720s when Germans were coming to Schwaebische Tuerkei. So he was probably born in Germany, but I have no clues where to look. Bitz: Jacob Bitz died 1797 in Verbas. The Stader book said he was born 1740 in Wiesloch, Heidelberg, Germany, but I couldn't find a birth record for him there. Schmidt: Balsamina Schmidt - I know almost nothing about her except she was married to Jacob Bitz (who was born in 1740, so she might have been born around the same time). Family lived in Verbas. ____________________________ Carolyn Schott Author of “Visiting Your Ancestral Town” Follow me on Facebook! 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Indeed! And one descendant, Karl Pfaff married siblings of my great grandmother Christina Schmidt. ________________________________ From: Carolyn Schott <cgschott@comcast.net> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 4:43 PM To: 'Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)' Subject: [DVHH] Re: Roll call: TORSCHAU-FEKETITSCH- Pfaff Pfeiffer Orth Brausch Paul – maybe not what you’re specifically looking for, but a lot of Pfaffs left Torschau and migrated on to the Odessa, Ukraine (Russia at the time) region. Pfaffs born in Torschau: https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blackseagr.org%2Fblksea-db%2Fsearch.php%3Fmybool%3DAND&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1fc55b556bc64853086708d67fbf8f7e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836858069973443&amp;sdata=WqLx5MmeLBv%2BmRV8UZaM8NihKYDWE2eYY2TDLzqKsgk%3D&amp;reserved=0 <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blackseagr.org%2Fblksea-db%2Fsearch.php%3Fmybool%3DAND%26nr%3D50%26tree%3D1%26branch%3D%26mylastname%3DPfaf%26lnqualify%3Dcontains%26mybirthplace%3Dtors%26bpqualify%3Dcontains&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1fc55b556bc64853086708d67fbf8f7e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836858069973443&amp;sdata=rJrlzE52mf%2FLkoyxFciH%2BjS5pQtKK3SIm8AGIq6aI4k%3D&amp;reserved=0> &nr=50&tree=1&branch=&mylastname=Pfaf&lnqualify=contains&mybirthplace=tors&bpqualify=contains ____________________________ Carolyn Schott Author of <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcarolynschott.com%2Fpublished%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1fc55b556bc64853086708d67fbf8f7e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836858069973443&amp;sdata=5Q6rSraAZ%2BmXJdMvk5waMR2ihJuKI4i%2BNqNnOtntknU%3D&amp;reserved=0> “Visiting Your Ancestral Town” Follow me on <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FCarolynSchottAuthor&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1fc55b556bc64853086708d67fbf8f7e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836858069973443&amp;sdata=ZEjhPtX8BFtvxEUjfUfUHIRI43aME2cb95jSFqteyUg%3D&amp;reserved=0> Facebook! Email: <mailto:carolyn@carolynschott.com> carolyn@carolynschott.com From: Paul Thompson [mailto:patjahsd@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:36 PM To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DVHH] Roll call: TORSCHAU-FEKETITSCH- Pfaff Pfeiffer Orth Brausch _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Frootswebpref&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1fc55b556bc64853086708d67fbf8f7e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836858069973443&amp;sdata=PMW31MW4NPPeF9Dvy%2FcAafheffX%2BW65fIAM6yJXfgv8%3D&amp;reserved=0 Unsubscribe https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.com%2Fpostorius%2Flists%2Fdonauschwaben-villages%40rootsweb.com&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1fc55b556bc64853086708d67fbf8f7e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836858069973443&amp;sdata=%2FI4Y7NnXGEzamp0GGqfoXmMhmVolDBf3MQs5mvhXuvk%3D&amp;reserved=0 Privacy Statement: https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2JWBOdY&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1fc55b556bc64853086708d67fbf8f7e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836858069973443&amp;sdata=9HRav02u1oJ5680%2FhfioABxvL0UWy%2BeCMrNt0btOM%2B0%3D&amp;reserved=0 Terms and Conditions: https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2HDBym9&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1fc55b556bc64853086708d67fbf8f7e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836858069973443&amp;sdata=PrqjNVSraaWzEFOAgrzip4QTQdZh%2FZmnObGc8J4whyA%3D&amp;reserved=0 Rootsweb Blog: https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frootsweb.blog&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C1fc55b556bc64853086708d67fbf8f7e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836858069973443&amp;sdata=iYhPdY%2BHaeLqqd3mKZcdKAMW6uwHHO0P3fF2WhwoIQs%3D&amp;reserved=0 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I'm hopping on this train of thought a bit later but I smiled when I read that Kelly had more than one DNA testing. I, too, had more than one testing. My first was with ancestry.com and I was surprised at some of the percentages. My husband whose lineage traces back for generations had percentages from England and Germany that surprised us. I know that my ancestors came from Germany and Hungary for generations. My husbands highest percentage came from Eastern Europe and my highest came from England!!! Okay, that's possible because the DNA goes farther back than we can even guess. Then I was offered a gift that could be used in the MyHeritage gift shop. I thought it was a good time to see how the DNA was measured in Myeritage.com. Oh, my! No matching with ancestry.com! How interesting! Both sites are owned by the same group! The only thing that was obvious was that they aren't using the results of the DNA submitted to ancestry.com. As with Kelly in the stream below, I'm sticking with the test done by ancestry.com--the results from that website were closest to what I expected. So, am I relying on what I was expecting? Should I rely on what I didn't expect? Or . . . did my DNA change (oh, that's silly)? Who knows? It's certainly fun! Rose Mary Keller Hughes www.dvhh.org/semlak -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Dazet <kellydazet@hotmail.com> Sent: 21 January, 2019 11:20 AM To: Andy David <adavid1608@gmail.com>; Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DVHH] Re: DNA Testing One should keep in mind that these are "Ethnicity Estimates" based on a reference population as Roy Engel explained. The important thing, is, it is indeed just an estimate, not a fact! What is important, and and should be fact, are DNA cousin matches above a certain amount of common DNA. I personally use the figure of the largest common segment of 10 centimorgans or more. Ancestry DNA will only show matches of 6 centimorgans or more. So, doing genealogy research, we usually know who are ancestors were and where they came from. In my case they were German, Norwegian, French (form the Pyrenees) , and Irish. So that should be my ethnicity right? Well I've tested with four DNA testing companies and they all gave me different ethnicity estimates!! And none of them really match what I know about my ancestors. Ancestry DNA had been the closest to being correct until they updated their reference populations and algorithms. So I was about 41% western European and the rest about equal amounts of Scandinavian, Irish and Iberian (the French from the Pyrenees) Now all of sudden I'm a large percentage of England, Wales and Northwestern Europe. Well I know I have no English ancestors. Looking at their map you will see that they lumping in south western Germany (where many of our ancestors came from) with England and Wales which will be very misleading for many of their customers. No idea why they did this but it seams bogus to me. Anyway, my point is that we should not take these estimates too seriously! Though it is kind of fun, but for the testing companies, its what sells DNA kits. Kind regards, Kelly ________________________________ From: Andy David <adavid1608@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 3:53 PM To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) Subject: [DVHH] Re: DNA Testing There should be a button on the ancestry site that allows that under "discover your DNA Story". I updated mine a few months ago and all of a sudden my Germanic Number went way up. On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 10:24 AM Tony Fieder <aefieder@hotmail.com> wrote: > So, how do I now access my previous results on this new algorithm? > > ________________________________ > From: B. 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Paul – maybe not what you’re specifically looking for, but a lot of Pfaffs left Torschau and migrated on to the Odessa, Ukraine (Russia at the time) region. Pfaffs born in Torschau: http://www.blackseagr.org/blksea-db/search.php?mybool=AND <http://www.blackseagr.org/blksea-db/search.php?mybool=AND&nr=50&tree=1&branch=&mylastname=Pfaf&lnqualify=contains&mybirthplace=tors&bpqualify=contains> &nr=50&tree=1&branch=&mylastname=Pfaf&lnqualify=contains&mybirthplace=tors&bpqualify=contains ____________________________ Carolyn Schott Author of <http://carolynschott.com/published/> “Visiting Your Ancestral Town” Follow me on <https://www.facebook.com/CarolynSchottAuthor> Facebook! Email: <mailto:carolyn@carolynschott.com> carolyn@carolynschott.com From: Paul Thompson [mailto:patjahsd@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:36 PM To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DVHH] Roll call: TORSCHAU-FEKETITSCH- Pfaff Pfeiffer Orth Brausch

Hi David, In regards to the Tschakowa Familienbuch. You mentioned in another message that you checked this book. If you have this book at hand, I wondered if you would be able to check for Peter Schneider and family as in my roll call post below. I know this is just shot in the dark, but in the death record of my great great grandmother, Katharina, Elisabetha Schneider, they wrote that she was born in Cserowka, Ungarn. I interpreted this as a misspelling of Cservenka/Tscherwenka, Batschka, but did they mean Tschakowa? I have not been able to find this family in the Tscherwenka Familienbuch. They would have lived there in the late 1700s until about 1806. Thanks very much! Kind regards, Kelly ________________________________ From: Kelly Dazet <kellydazet@hotmail.com> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 7:17 PM To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) Subject: ROLL CALL: TSCHERWENKA (Cserowka?) Schneider Hello All, Peter Schneider and family are another brick wall of mine. I know less about them than the Dietrich family! The following is from the 1812 and 1816 census for Neuburg near Odessa. His daughter Katharina Elisabetha married Jakob Dietrich in Neuburg, Odessa. Her Death record says she was born in Cserowka Ungarn, which I interpret as Tscherwenka, but I could be wrong? 1812 Peter Schneider 43 - Wife: Margaretha 43 Daughters: Christina 14, Maria 11, Dorothea 3 Son-in-law: Andreas Ammon 24 - Wife: Christina 20 Daughter: Friedrika 6 mo. 1816 Schneider, Peter 46, aus: Jöhlingen/ Karlsruhe- Ba, seine Frau Margaretha 46, seine Kinder Maria 14, Marianne, gestorben 1814, Elisabetha, verheiratet 1815, ferner sein Schwiegersohn Andreas Ammon 28, seine Frau Christina 19, deren Tochter Friederika 3. [see Hungary data earlier in this book] Here it says he was from Jöhlingen, but I don't think that is correct. Peter Schneider was Lutheran and Jöhlingen is Catholic community. I haven't been able to find Peter Schneider in any OFB for the Batschka. Again, as with my Schmidt and Dietrich ancestors, the Schneiders were only in the Batscka from about 1786 to 1806 and they were Evangelich Lutheran. Kind regards, Kelly

I am researching my ancestors Adam Besch and his wife Anna Lauck and their children that left our ancestral village of Hasborn-Dautweiler in the Saarland about 1754 and settled in Perjamosh, Banat. From the Perjamosh FB the parents died in 1755 and the children married. I’ve been unable to find the Besch name for the male children (Johann, Peter and Mathias) beyond about 1760. They may have moved, but I can’t find where. If anyone has come across this surname in the region, please contact me. Thanks. Greetings Raymond Basch Gesendet mit mein iPhone > On Jan 20, 2019, at 13:31, Melissa Brooks <mrp_brooks@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks Karen, but unfortunately the Poths in my tree moved from Perjamosch at some point to Gross St-Peter, and the records are different. The only FB for Gross St-Peter ends in 1852, and my gr.grandfather Michael Poth was born in 1881. It's so frustrating because the villages are only 1km apart physically, but the parishes were separate and the Perjamosch FB only covers Haulik (which has now been swallowed up by Perjamosch). > > If you have a family tree on ancestry, it would be pretty cool to compare notes though! I'm sure we have branches in common. > > Are you in the US or Canada? My line of Poths came from Gross St-Peter to a small farming village in Saskatchewan, Canada in 1911. > > Cheers, > Melissa > > ________________________________ > From: karen mcbride <islandkaren@bellsouth.net> > Sent: January 20, 2019 11:58 AM > To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) > Subject: [DVHH] Re: ROLL CALL - PERJAMOSCH, GROSS ST. PETER, LOVRIN, KLEINJETSCHA > > Hello Melissa!I have POTHS in my Family, as well as ENDRES, FRANK, RECTOVALD, BAUM/BOHM, and ZILLICH/GILLICH. You can find most all of them in the Perjamosch FB. I copied many of the pages before they took it off-line. I will look-up your JOHANN POTH and send you what I find.Best, Karen. > On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 9:31:45 AM EST, Melissa Brooks <mrp_brooks@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Brick walls: > > Gross St. Peter: POTH, Michael, b. 1881. The existing FB ends in 1852 so I can't connect him back further. Father's name was Johann POTH (b. abt 1847), mother was Anna KLEITSCH from Kleinjetscha born about 1850 (no record of her in the Kleinjetscha FB). Michael Poth might have had military service, but no idea how to research that. > > Also from Gross St. Peter: WIRS, Adam, b. abt 1861. Possibly lived in or died in Lovrin. > > Other surnames of interest in the Banat include: ENDRES, FRANK, RECTOVALD, REICH, KERSCH, SCHUCH, REMMEL, LEHR, WETZLER, MATHES, KREITER, ZILLICH, LUDWIG, KIEFER, BALTES, SEEBERGER, KELLER, BAUM, KLOECKNER, JUNGH > > Cheers, > Melissa Brooks > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >

I looked in the Neuwerbass books and did not find a match for the information you listed. You mentioned one of them becoming a priest. Can I assume the family was Catholic? I will look in the Kalocsa Archive records as well. Noelle Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 20, 2019, at 3:41 PM, karl huebchen <huebchen@hotmail.com> wrote: > > All; > > I am looking for the family of my father's (Raimund Huebchen(1929-1998)) father's (Karl Hubchen (1892-1966)) brother (Daniel Hubchen (1899-?)). The information I have suggests my father was born in Novi Vrbas, and his father may have been born in Mercydorf. I had heard somewhere that Daniel became a priest in a town to the west of either Mercydorf or Novi Vrbas, and that he had family there. Unfortunately that is all I have. Any assistance from anyone who has the appropriate books, or else suggestions, would be much appreciated. > > Karl Huebchen > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

One should keep in mind that these are "Ethnicity Estimates" based on a reference population as Roy Engel explained. The important thing, is, it is indeed just an estimate, not a fact! What is important, and and should be fact, are DNA cousin matches above a certain amount of common DNA. I personally use the figure of the largest common segment of 10 centimorgans or more. Ancestry DNA will only show matches of 6 centimorgans or more. So, doing genealogy research, we usually know who are ancestors were and where they came from. In my case they were German, Norwegian, French (form the Pyrenees) , and Irish. So that should be my ethnicity right? Well I've tested with four DNA testing companies and they all gave me different ethnicity estimates!! And none of them really match what I know about my ancestors. Ancestry DNA had been the closest to being correct until they updated their reference populations and algorithms. So I was about 41% western European and the rest about equal amounts of Scandinavian, Irish and Iberian (the French from the Pyrenees) Now all of sudden I'm a large percentage of England, Wales and Northwestern Europe. Well I know I have no English ancestors. Looking at their map you will see that they lumping in south western Germany (where many of our ancestors came from) with England and Wales which will be very misleading for many of their customers. No idea why they did this but it seams bogus to me. Anyway, my point is that we should not take these estimates too seriously! Though it is kind of fun, but for the testing companies, its what sells DNA kits. Kind regards, Kelly ________________________________ From: Andy David <adavid1608@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 3:53 PM To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) Subject: [DVHH] Re: DNA Testing There should be a button on the ancestry site that allows that under "discover your DNA Story". I updated mine a few months ago and all of a sudden my Germanic Number went way up. On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 10:24 AM Tony Fieder <aefieder@hotmail.com> wrote: > So, how do I now access my previous results on this new algorithm? > > ________________________________ > From: B. Heinsohn via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < > donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Sent: January 20, 2019 11:57 PM > To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH); MARY ANN HUESER; > donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Cc: B. Heinsohn > Subject: [DVHH] Re: DNA Testing > > Ancestry updated their algorithm several months back. All my mystery > Great Britain went away and was replaced by Germanic and France. 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There should be a button on the ancestry site that allows that under "discover your DNA Story". I updated mine a few months ago and all of a sudden my Germanic Number went way up. On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 10:24 AM Tony Fieder <aefieder@hotmail.com> wrote: > So, how do I now access my previous results on this new algorithm? > > ________________________________ > From: B. Heinsohn via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES < > donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Sent: January 20, 2019 11:57 PM > To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH); MARY ANN HUESER; > donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Cc: B. Heinsohn > Subject: [DVHH] Re: DNA Testing > > Ancestry updated their algorithm several months back. All my mystery > Great Britain went away and was replaced by Germanic and France. All my > Donauschwaben originated in the Black Forest / Alsace Lorraine region. > Thus, my DNA ethnicity is now 100% spot on. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 4:45 PM, MARY ANN HUESER<mahueser@hotmail.com> > wrote: There was a great program on TV the other night regarding finding > out what nationality you are by doing DNA testing. > > Hopefully, copying and pasting will get you the program to watch on line. > > > https://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/episodes/2018-2019/dna-ancestry-tests-can-you-trust-the-results > > > Mary Ann > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

So, how do I now access my previous results on this new algorithm? ________________________________ From: B. Heinsohn via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Sent: January 20, 2019 11:57 PM To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH); MARY ANN HUESER; donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Cc: B. Heinsohn Subject: [DVHH] Re: DNA Testing Ancestry updated their algorithm several months back. All my mystery Great Britain went away and was replaced by Germanic and France. All my Donauschwaben originated in the Black Forest / Alsace Lorraine region. Thus, my DNA ethnicity is now 100% spot on. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 4:45 PM, MARY ANN HUESER<mahueser@hotmail.com> wrote: There was a great program on TV the other night regarding finding out what nationality you are by doing DNA testing. Hopefully, copying and pasting will get you the program to watch on line. https://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/episodes/2018-2019/dna-ancestry-tests-can-you-trust-the-results Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Carolyn, Its Wiesloch. Of course I don't know if this is correct information, though I do know the town's name, near Heidelberg is correct because I lived near there in Dielheim. This was in Baden at the time and there was a lot of emigration east out of this area from 1784 when Lutherans were allowed to settle in Hungary. I wonder about Balsamina and if she could have also been recorded under anther name. Have you done any DNA testing? The villages of Verbas, Neu Verbas, Kischker, and Torshau had many family leave about 1806 for the Odessa and Bessarabia regions of South Russia. Kind regards, Kelly ________________________________ From: Carolyn Schott <cgschott@comcast.net> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 11:15 PM To: 'Kelly Dazet'; 'Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)' Subject: RE: [DVHH] Roll Call - Klein in GYOENK and VERBAS; Bitz & Schmidt in VERBAS Hi Kelly, Yes, we have. The Jakob (born about 1783) that you reference from that 1816 census is most likely the son of the Jakob I referenced who died in 1797 in Verbas. Unfortunately, both our references show the Bitz family as coming from Wiesloch (or Wieslodt, which I assume is an error as I don’t see a Wieslodt in the Meyers Gazetteer), so it doesn’t help me find them. My suspicion is that they may have come from a nearby village and just listed Wiesloch because it was the nearest big town or something. Of course, it’s been awhile since I looked for that branch of the family, so it may be worth poking around again. But at the moment, I’m stumped with them. Those Schmidts are a puzzlement. Such a common name. It’s possible my Balsamina and yours were related since they’re both from Verbas, but hard to know. ____________________________ Carolyn Schott Author of “Visiting Your Ancestral Town”<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcarolynschott.com%2Fpublished%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca3e3d0ccd992493242e008d67f2d343c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836229454471097&sdata=W3P69%2BDHwFgZjPZhytsrFvILcqm6ffCuXjXhJxNXrlA%3D&reserved=0> Follow me on Facebook<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FCarolynSchottAuthor&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca3e3d0ccd992493242e008d67f2d343c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636836229454471097&sdata=18adQoQireooRRmQ8KNmXBKxnFN%2B%2BKNEtpE9Ex66QRI%3D&reserved=0>! Email: carolyn@carolynschott.com<mailto:carolyn@carolynschott.com> From: Kelly Dazet [mailto:kellydazet@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 10:37 AM To: Carolyn Schott <cgschott@comcast.net>; Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DVHH] Roll Call - Klein in GYOENK and VERBAS; Bitz & Schmidt in VERBAS Hi Carolyn, I think we corresponded once before about the Schmidts in Verbas/New Verbas. I did see Jacob and Balsamina listed in one of the OFBs for Verbas. Also found a likely relation in the 1816 Census for Freundental, Odessa, South Russia (Ukraine). (from Stumpp) House 65 Bitz, Jakob 33, aus: Wieslodt / Heidelberg-Ba (1784 ü. Neuverbas / Ungarn), seine Frau Katharina 29, seine Töchter Margaretha 8, Magdalena 6, Elisabeth 3, Christina 1. This is my Schmidt family in that same Census, also from Verbas House 69, s. audt 40 Sdtmitt, Margaretha (Becker), 1814 nach der Kolonie Neuburg wiederverheiratet, ihre Kinder Simon 20, Peter 25, dessen Frau Margaretha 25, seine Kinder Sophie 4, Johann 2. Margaretha Becker was married to Ludwig Schmidt who came from Tahlfang, Pflaz as a Widower with many children mostly daughters but none were listed as Basamina I wonder if there could be a relationship because I seem to recall a Bitz as a witness on one of the Schmidt children baptisms, though I can't find it at the moment. As you may know the Village of Freudental was founded by Lutheran emigrants from Germans from Hungary, mostly from the Batschka, and few from the Banat. Kind regards, Kelly ________________________________ From: Carolyn Schott <cgschott@comcast.net<mailto:cgschott@comcast.net>> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:49 PM To: 'Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH)' Subject: [DVHH] Roll Call - Klein in GYOENK and VERBAS; Bitz & Schmidt in VERBAS Klein: I'm stuck. Johann Peter Klein was born about 1737. Died 1798 in Gyoenk, Tolna, Schwaebische Tuerkei. His wife was Maria Elisabetha, maiden name unknown. His father was Georg Philip Klein, who died before 1750. Based on the years he was having children, Georg Philip was probably born before the 1720s when Germans were coming to Schwaebische Tuerkei. So he was probably born in Germany, but I have no clues where to look. Bitz: Jacob Bitz died 1797 in Verbas. The Stader book said he was born 1740 in Wiesloch, Heidelberg, Germany, but I couldn't find a birth record for him there. Schmidt: Balsamina Schmidt - I know almost nothing about her except she was married to Jacob Bitz (who was born in 1740, so she might have been born around the same time). Family lived in Verbas. ____________________________ Carolyn Schott Author of “Visiting Your Ancestral Town” Follow me on Facebook! 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Ancestry updated their algorithm several months back.  All my mystery Great Britain went away and was replaced by Germanic and France.  All my Donauschwaben originated in the Black Forest / Alsace Lorraine region.  Thus, my DNA ethnicity is now 100% spot on. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 4:45 PM, MARY ANN HUESER<mahueser@hotmail.com> wrote: There was a great program on TV the other night regarding finding out what nationality you are by doing DNA testing. Hopefully, copying and pasting will get you the program to watch on line. https://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/episodes/2018-2019/dna-ancestry-tests-can-you-trust-the-results Mary Ann _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thanks Roy. I knew someone could explain it. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 20, 2019, at 10:33 PM, Mary Regan via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Roy, Thank you for this extremely helpful explanation. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy Engel <royengel@rogers.com> > To: Donauschwaben Villages Helping Hands (DVHH) <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> > Cc: bguysmom <bguysmom@aol.com> > Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2019 11:17 pm > Subject: [DVHH] Re: DNA Testing > > It is important to understand the difference between nationality and ancestry. They have different definitions. A person's nationality is the name of the country in which they hold citizenship. It has no direct relationship to their ancestry. Those of us that live in the USA or Canada know this to be very obvious, unless you happen to belong to the indigenous community in North America. If we have a discussion about ancestry, we have to clarify if we wish to discuss cultural or ethnic ancestry, or whether we want to discuss DNA ancestry. Once again, they are not necessarily the same thing. A person's ethnic or cultural ancestry generally refers to the location, language, customs, cuisine, etc. that was the realm of their most recent ancestors. To put it bluntly, if your immediate ancestors spoke German, wore lederhosen and ate bratwurst, they were Germanic and no DNA test will change this. DNA ancestry, when it is used to estimate an individual's geographic origin, is an attempt to define a person's deep ancestral roots based on statistics from a large DNA database of individuals. The CBC Marketplace investigation showed that this is not an exacting science because each DNA ancestry provider uses their own database and that is fraught with two main problems. Firstly, any database, no matter how large, is only a sampling. Secondly, as was pointed out in the TV report, almost all human DNA is the same. About 99% of our DNA is the same, so teasing out small differences on certain key chromosome markers was not an easy task. One of the biggest problems is that it is impossible to know exactly how humans migrated throughout the world since the dawn of modern humanity. Nobody kept any records in those very early days. We can only rely on anthropological clues and what we can infer from the distribution of people around the world in modern times. I think we can confidently assume that genetically distinct people did not move as distinct, cohesive groups throughout human history without any mixing. This is exactly why the pie charts and percentages that you receive with your results never give you a result that is 100% of any given ancestry. My biggest frustration is that these percentages are never properly explained and the CBC report failed to do so as well. When you see a breakdown of your results with percentages of various ancestries, it does not mean that you have ancestors that ever lived in those parts of the world. What it does mean is that your genetic profile, which is based on the values on these genetic markers for which you have been tested, correspond to people currently living in those parts of the world, predicted as a percentage. For example, if your report says that your genetic profile includes 15% Scandinavian, this does not mean that 15% of your ancestors came from Scandinavian countries. In fact, it is very possible that none of your ancestors were ever in Scandinavia. What it does mean is this: Your genetic profile indicates that you share approximately 15% of the markers that you had tested with those people who are known to have Scandinavian ancestry. What the tests can never tell you is whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was truly Scandinavian or whether you inherited those markers from an ancestor who was also common to people who migrated to the Scandinavian countries at some time later in history. The difference is a bit subtle but it does have significant implications as to where you think your ancestors came from in the world. Also be aware that only some of your markers are tested. The companies that do the testing pick a representative small number of markers. You can have more markers tested, which will refine your results and increase the confidence level of your results, but you have to pay more for this. > Regards, > Roy > On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 6:01:40 p.m. EST, bguysmom via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I have done ancestry family tree 23&me I had my brothers do Ancestry to see the German it says Great Britian when I know 100% my Kircher Tobias are from Billed Hungary. > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > -------- Original message --------From: MARY ANN HUESER <mahueser@hotmail.com> Date: 1/20/19 5:44 PM (GMT-05:00) To: donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com Subject: [DVHH] DNA Testing > There was a great program on TV the other night regarding finding out what nationality you are by doing DNA testing. > > Hopefully, copying and pasting will get you the program to watch on line. > > https://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/episodes/2018-2019/dna-ancestry-tests-can-you-trust-the-results > > > Mary Ann > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/donauschwaben-villages@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community