Can you tell me how Priscilla's parentage was determined? Was it by names of George and Priscilla's children? If so, I'd like very much to have their complete names. I only have one name per child. Rachel Doherty and Josiah Leath are my ancestors. Dianne dbken3@aol.com

Does anyone on the list know of the marriage date of George Doherty and Priscilla Goforth? George was born Jan 19, 1749 in Augusta County, VA. He and Priscilla were living in what is now East TN before the Battle of Kings Mountain in 1880. When he first fought in the Rev. War he was married and had two children, so probably married in the early 1770's. There is no record of their marriage in Augusta Co VA. It is possible that they married in North Carolina. I'll appreciate any clue. Dianne Kenna dbken3@aol.com

It was recently determined that Priscilla was the daughter of Preston Goforth of Anson Co. NC. So they were probably married there in 1770. Which makes his war record on the frontier suspect . It was a long way from NC to Rockbridge Co VA and on to Washington's forts on the frontier. George was in NC 1770 and 1773 and was in Greene Co. 1777 making rifles. Enigmatic!? Maccam DBKen3@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone on the list know of the marriage date of George Doherty and > Priscilla Goforth? George was born Jan 19, 1749 in Augusta County, VA. He > and Priscilla were living in what is now East TN before the Battle of Kings > Mountain in 1880. When he first fought in the Rev. War he was married and > had two children, so probably married in the early 1770's. There is no > record of their marriage in Augusta Co VA. It is possible that they married > in North Carolina. > > I'll appreciate any clue. > > Dianne Kenna dbken3@aol.com > > ==== DOHERTY Mailing List ==== > DOHERTY List Administrator > <<commander@inetone.net>> > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/

I found a couple of Marraige records for some Doherty on my look up today When Married Name and surname age Condition Profession residence Father profession Weaver 25 April 1869 Patrick Mc Cool full bachelor weaver Woodland Co. Donegal Patrick Mary Anne Doherty Spinster - ? Bernard Doherty Farmer This marriage was solemnized between us(then it signed by both) IN THE PRESENCE OF CHARLES ARNOTT I can't make out the women name

I believe you fit right in there with some of these trial lawyers. Bill Bryant ----- Original Message ----- From: <pals@goldrush.com> To: <DOHERTY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 4:38 PM Subject: [DOHERTY] Copyright > People in doubt about copyright violation should check the inside cover of > Ancestry Magazine where they state their material may not be reproduced > without written permission. They also state they charge a small fee. Any > written article, letter, or story belongs to the author(or those that > purchase all rights from the author) It is protected by U.S. copyright laws > from the moment it is written. The author can sell all their rights, some of > their rights, or all their rights for a limited time. This protects authors. > I was not being hostile to jd, I did not say he had done something > intentionally criminal. I was letting him know he had broken copyright laws > unless he had permission from the author---responsible listowners are > concerned about this. If something is published on the web, you can include > the website address in your email directing people to read the article > there. If the article was published there in violation of copyright laws it > will be a matter between the website owner and the author. I was only > interested in pointing out another way he could share the information > without breaking the law. He then responded with hostility and a juvenile > need to point out my typo--which I take full responsibility for <I make MANY > ;-) >--by the way, he again violated copyright laws by posting a letter I > had written privately to him in a public forum without my permission....If > we want to be responsible researchers we need to be aware of the law--that's > all--jd, could have provided the same information to the list by simply > providing the URL to the article. I was not angry or threatening and this > heated, sarcastic response was uncalled for. dianne > > > ==== DOHERTY Mailing List ==== > DOHERTY List Administrator > <<commander@inetone.net>> > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >

Dear Listers, Received the following email from Dianne Soares <pals@goldrush.com>. I enclose the course of our brief correspondence, taking me to task for previously posting the material in the subject line above to DOHERTY-L & DOCHERTY-L. Despite my innocent intention, I feel obliged to apologise to anyone who is similarly offended, whether or not you might be "an writer", or possibly even "an lawyer". I will certainly exercise a degree of caution before posting any like material to the list in the future. Perhaps this can serve as a warning to anyone considering similarly criminal conduct. yours abjectly... John >From: pals@goldrush.com >To: "jd" <jdoch@attglobal.net> >Subject: Re: [DOHERTY] DOHERTY article - Ancestry Magazine, Mar/Apr 1999, >Volume 17, Number 2 >Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:06:15 -0700 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 > >I am an writer and a DOHERTY researcher--posting material written by others >without permission is ILLEGAL--it is a violation of copyright laws --no >matter HOW many times it has been posted on the web--you don't know if the >others posting it have permission to post it, or have paid for the rights to >it or if THEY are illegally posting material that belongs to the author. >Posting the URL would be fine and a much wiser way to go. dianne >----- Original Message ----- >From: jd <jdoch@attglobal.net> >To: <pals@goldrush.com> >Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 11:59 AM >Subject: Re: [DOHERTY] DOHERTY article - Ancestry Magazine, Mar/Apr 1999, >Volume 17, Number 2 > > > > Dear Diane, > > > > I am simply a person interested in DOHERTY/DOCHERTY genealogy who is >trying > > to pass on a piece of information (posted publicly in a number of places >on > > the internet) to like minded researchers. I included the url of the > > information so that people could reference the original article. The > > subject of the email refers directly to the source of the article. > > > > What exactly is your interest here? > > > > jd > > > > > > At 14:49 09/07/2000 , you wrote: > > >Are you the author of this article you posted to the Doherty list or do >you > > >have the permission of the author to post it here? dianne soares > > >pals@goldrush.com > > >

http://www.ancestry.netscape.com/magazine/articles/fact.htm Most of us inherit one or two family stories, but how do you know if they’re fact or blarney? One such story, presumably written in the early twentieth century, survives today in three distinct descendant lines from John Doherty of County Tipperary, Ireland. The actual chronicler of the story is unknown, but the seanchai in this case was Mary Ann Conklin, daughter of James Conklin and Margaret Doherty. Making the effort to prove or disprove a story may lead to new ancestors and a greater understanding of your family. The Doherty story is nearly proven, with minor corrections of details, as discussed below. Italicized items in the discussion are quotes from the story and are not in sequence, but are listed in logical research progression. Charles Doherty, soon after coming to America, settled in Detroit. He married Mary Pickett. Their children: John, Mary, Frank, Richard and James. My husband is the great-grandson of Frank Doherty, son of Charles. Therefore I began with some inherited family documents — a will, an undated and unnamed newspaper obituary clipping, and some photos. Frank’s name was actually Charles Francis Doherty, but he alternated between using "Charles" and "Frank" at various stages of his life. His will was written about 1932 and did not mention his wife; the obituary states that she had predeceased him. The obituary also names his living children and the date he married Margaret A. Sim. These items also lead to the conclusion that he and his family should be included in the available federal censuses from 1920 and earlier. In fact, using the Soundex, Charles Francis Doherty, with wife Margaret and children were found on the 1900, 1910, and 1920 federal censuses for Detroit. The father Charles Doherty was not in the Soundex for any of these years, but his widow Mary was enumerated in the 1900 census in Detroit living at 12 National Avenue. Because the Soundex for the 1880 census only contains listings for households with children ages ten or younger, this Doherty family did not appear there. Using the 1900 address for Mary Doherty, the widow was found with four of her five children living with her. Continuing back in time, using addresses found in the Detroit City Directories, Charles Doherty and family were found on both the 1860 and 1870 Detroit censuses in the 9th ward. Detroit city directories were also searched for years between censuses because they often contain genealogical clues that may be hard to find elsewhere. The 1862 directory revealed that Charles Doherty was a soldier in the U.S. Army, which led to military records. A wealth of information was found in the pension record for Charles Doherty that documents the health problems he experienced after he was wounded with a shell in his lung at the Battle of Utoy Creek, Georgia, in August 1864. However, because no surface scar remained at the time of his application, he was denied the pension. Rejected pension records are frequently rich with genealogical information and this record was no different. After Charles died, Mary applied for a widow’s pension, which she eventually received. In order to prove her claim, she submitted a copy of baptismal records for her two under-aged children, Richard and James, and the couple’s civil marriage record from Detroit, dated 16 September 1850 in which the bride is listed as Mary Ellen Pickett. In one of several depositions, she lists the dates of birth of her five children, and the death date of her eldest, John, who died in 1873. In another, she gives enlightening information about Charles’ family: I saw my husband’s father he lived to be about 90 years old was very stout for that age. I understand his mother died at child birth when my husband was born and one sister died age 64 years was only sick about three days took a severe cold and he has a brother living in Oakland Co. near 82 years old and I understand he has two brothers living in Ireland but I don’t know them. The sister who died at age sixty-four was Margaret. Margaret Doherty married James Conklin of Deerfield, Livingston County, in 1844. Once again, a census search was conducted, only this time in Livingston County, Michigan. James and Margaret Conklin were found in Deerfield Township, Livingston County in the 1850 and 1860 censuses, and Margaret was found as head of the household in the 1870 census. She was not found in the 1880 census. During a visit to the DAR Library in Washington, D.C., a book of cemetery records for Livingston County listed Margaret Conklin with a number of other Conklins buried in Saint Augustine Catholic Church Cemetery. Margaret died 1 March 1879 at age sixty-two. The person listed above her in the book is John Doherty, who died in 1854 aged ninety-four years — an added bonus as the family story doesn’t mention that John immigrated! A later visit to the cemetery was even more enriching as both John and Margaret’s tombstones list their place of origin as County Tipperary, Ireland. This information was not included in the transcribed Livingston County cemetery records. To prove the marriage of James Conklin and Margaret Doherty, a search of available records in the Family History Library catalog was conducted at the local Family History Center. One source stood out as a possibility — Father Patrick O’Kelly’s baptismal registers from Livingston and Oakland counties. The marriage record for this couple was found in the publication, with a marriage date of 17 April 1845. Nicholas, Edmund and James came to America in 1834. After considerable investigation, they settled in White Lake Township, Oakland County, Michigan. The young men had quite a nice little sum of money when they left Ireland, but they took up a section of land from the government, and spent the money with such a lavish hand that they soon found themselves in straitened circumstances. The passenger list for Nicholas, Edmund, and James has been found, but it was not straightforward. The available microfilm index was not helpful because, as it turns out, the enumerator’s handwriting was unreadable so the indexer guessed incorrectly at the names. Another family story, discovered at the Oakland County Pioneer and Historical Society, opened up the search possibilities. The author is unknown, but the story was in the same file with other manuscripts by descendants of Nicholas Doherty. The story begins: Nicholas Doherty left Tipperary, Ireland, in March 1834, and arrived at New York City the first day of May, where he found the fruit trees all in bloom. He had intended to go to Ann Arbor, Michigan, but missed the road, and brought up in Oakland County instead. Another item found at the same society was The Sesquicentennial of St. Patrick Chapel and Cemetery, 1840-1990. It contains sketches of pioneers including the Dohertys and neighbors, James Crotty and William Gorman. The accounts indicate that the Doherty brothers traveled from Ireland with several Tipperary neighbors, Crotty and Gorman. With those names, the index was revisited and the passenger list was found for the SS Victoria. It arrived in New York harbor 3 May 1834 from Liverpool. Enumerated on the list were Edmond, Nicholas (whose name could easily have been mistaken for "Mrs." as it is listed in the index), and James Doherty, James Crotty, and William Gorman and family. The exact route that the travelers used to arrive at their destination in Michigan is unknown, but an account from someone who participated in a similar journey describes one possibility: In the Spring of the year 1834 my father moved from the State of New York to the Territory of Michigan. Although but five years of age, the memory of those days is painfully stamped on my mind... I can well remember our journey up the Erie Canal, and Lake Erie, and soon on to Detroit. Detroit was then a very insignificant looking place to what it is at the present time. Father employed a teamster in Detroit to move us to Milford. When the traveling party arrived in Oakland County, Michigan was still a territory and land was readily available for sale through General Land Offices. Within twenty days of arriving in New York, Edmond, Nicholas and James Doherty had secured two land patents in sections 25 and 26 of township 3 North, Oakland County, for a total of 280 acres. In August 1836, James sold his portion of the land for $600 to his brothers and bought another eighty acres in section nine from the General Land Office. James turned around and sold that land to Patrick Farrell and Michael Forrey in November 1837. James enlisted in the Army and went to the Black Hawk War. He was never heard from again. The Black Hawk War took place between April and September 1832, making James’ participation impossible. His last known land transaction was in November 1837, so the US Army enlistment register was searched from that period forward. The registers list soldiers by first letter of the surname only, so each entry had to be viewed to find James. He enlisted at Detroit on 25 April 1838 by Capt. Jamison. His enlistment record states he was born in County Tipperary, Ireland, was 21, and was a Shoemaker by occupation. He had grey eyes, black hair, dark complexion, and was 5 feet 9 1/4 inches tall. This James is the only James Doherty (any spelling) to enlist from Detroit between 1837 and October 1850, the likely range of dates for his enlistment. A search of the muster rolls for his unit (Company H, 5th Infantry), showed that James Doherty died at Fort Winnebago, Wisconsin Territory, 5 June 1838, less than two months after he enlisted. No cause of death is listed. With the statement in the family story that "he was never heard from again," it is possible that James’ brothers never knew he died so soon after enlisting. Captain John Doherty, Regiment 38, British Army, was at one time stationed in Galway. Until 1871, those who aspired to be officers in the British military had to purchase their commissions. Many of the nineteenth-century British military records survive and are available for research at the British Public Record Office at Kew; a large portion of these same records have been filmed by the LDS Church and are available for loan through Family History Centers. John Doherty purchased a commission as an ensign in the 49th Regiment of Foot, British Army, on 8 October 1801. Less than a year later he purchased a commission as a lieutenant in the same unit. At the end of 1803, Lieutenant Doherty requested a transfer, as a lieutenant, from the 49th to the 38th Regiment of Foot, the unit described in the family story. The 49th Regiment was in Canada from about 1803-09, which may be why John Doherty requested a transfer to the 38th Regiment, which was concurrently in Ireland reforming following several overseas campaigns. According to muster books, he served in Captain Thomas Evans’ Company, 1st Battalion, 38th Regiment in various locations within Ireland, including Birr (Co. Tipperary), Fermoy (Co. Cork), and Galway (Co. Galway). That battalion left Cork for the Cape of Good Hope on 31 July 1805, but according to the muster book that covers that period, John Doherty was sick. Later that year, he is listed on monthly returns as absent with a sick certificate from the 2nd Battalion, 38th Regiment, so he likely did not leave Ireland with his unit, but transferred to the other battalion. Here he married Mary Lynch, daughter of Barrister Lynch, and granddaughter of Judge Lynch. The identity of John’s wife was proven through the baptismal records of three of their children, as discussed below. Her name was actually Margaret Lynch, not Mary. A request for a marriage record sent to the Galway Family History Society West in Galway City yielded instead a copy of a Lynch pedigree that was published in the Journal of the Galway Archaeological and Historical Society in 1918. The pedigree includes a Margaret Lynch, daughter of Martin Lynch and Margaret Burke, who married John Doherty of Cashel. Parish marriage records are not available for the early nineteenth century. There is no indication of occupations for Margaret’s father and grandfather on the pedigree; further research needs to be conducted to determine their occupations. After some years Captain Doherty sold his commission, and retired to his estate at Tipperary. "Outra" was the name of the estate. Captain Doherty had a brother, Nicholas Doherty. His estate was adjacent to Captain Doherty’s.…Captain John Doherty’s estate, being left entirely to the management of hired help, began to show signs of mismanagement. As late as 1 February 1806, John Doherty appears as a lieutenant on monthly returns for the 2nd Battalion, 38th Regiment. It is doubtful that he ever purchased a commission as a captain. His last appearance in the annual list of all Army officers was in 1806, as a lieutenant. The next record found for him was the baptism of his first son, Edmund, in Cashel Parish, 9 March 1807. The Tithe Applotment Book, dated 1 November 1825, and the Tithe Defaulters List, dated 1831, show John Doherty, Esquire, living in Outeragh, Outeragh Parish, County Tipperary, adjacent to Mrs. N. Doherty, apparently the widow of John’s brother Nicholas. Griffith’s Primary Valuation, published in August 1850, shows John Doherty, Esq., living in the Outeragh House, the manor house for the landlord, or overseer, of all the property owned by Colonel Palliser of County Kilkenny. At some point in the mid-1840s, John Doherty relocated from Outeragh to Cashel, where he is listed as a resident in the 1846 Directory of Ireland. According to a descendant, "He lost his estate in dickering in fast horses." The estate was not John’s to lose, however, so it is more likely that the Palliser land owners either lost confidence in him or wanted their land watched over by a younger landlord — John was in his eighties at that point. Richard J. Hayes’ Manuscript Sources for the History of Irish Civilisation, is one of the most valuable indexes for finding potentially obscure manuscripts in Ireland. This source revealed a listing for the O’Docherty Pedigree, created in the mid-nineteenth century by the Chief Herald of Ireland, which documents the clan back to about 800 A.D. The same John Doherty, Esq., former soldier and resident of Cashel in 1846, is included on this pedigree as a son of John Doherty and brother of Nicholas and Edmund Doherty. Captain John Doherty had six children: Nicholas, Edmund, Charles, Matthew, James, and Margaret (1817). The mother died when the family was still young. Margaret spent 3 1/2 years in the Ursuline Convent in Thurles. Thus far, baptism records for three of the Doherty’s six children have been located through correspondence with two of the three heritage centers in County Tipperary: Edmund (discussed above); Margaret was baptized 9 November 1815 in the same parish; and Charles was baptized 3 April 1818 in Cahir Parish. All three are recorded as children of John and Margaret Doherty. As indicated above, the mother Margaret Doherty apparently died in childbirth with Charles. No records have yet surfaced to prove or disprove this element of the story. Margaret Doherty may have spent time at the Ursuline Convent in Thurles (a Tipperary town north of Outeragh), but proof is elusive as the records for that early period no longer exist. However, the convent opened a boarding school for girls in 1796, which was the first Catholic school in the Archdiocese of Cashel and Emly. After returning from the convent, Margaret spent 1 1/2 years with her aunt, Ann Lawler, whose husband was a barrister, and this young lady here had all the advantages of a home of wealth and culture….Charles Doherty decided to follow his brothers to America, and Margaret, who had received a present of 50 pounds sterling from her Aunt, Ann Lawler, decided to come with him. The identity of Margaret’s aunt Ann Lawler has yet to be determined, although some family documents point to her identity as one of the Lynch family. A letter written following a discussion with Margaret’s daughter Mary Ann Conklin gives the following account: Mary Ann's mother visited her mother's people a year before coming here — she was given 50 pounds by them for some purpose I forget and Charles induced her to come to this country. She made personal loans to her countrymen on the boat coming over and lost all the 50 pounds. Since it is known that they both immigrated, a search for the passenger list containing Charles and Margaret is still underway. Charles first shows up in Detroit city directories in 1853. Margaret’s first record in the United States is her marriage in 1845.

People in doubt about copyright violation should check the inside cover of Ancestry Magazine where they state their material may not be reproduced without written permission. They also state they charge a small fee. Any written article, letter, or story belongs to the author(or those that purchase all rights from the author) It is protected by U.S. copyright laws from the moment it is written. The author can sell all their rights, some of their rights, or all their rights for a limited time. This protects authors. I was not being hostile to jd, I did not say he had done something intentionally criminal. I was letting him know he had broken copyright laws unless he had permission from the author---responsible listowners are concerned about this. If something is published on the web, you can include the website address in your email directing people to read the article there. If the article was published there in violation of copyright laws it will be a matter between the website owner and the author. I was only interested in pointing out another way he could share the information without breaking the law. He then responded with hostility and a juvenile need to point out my typo--which I take full responsibility for <I make MANY ;-) >--by the way, he again violated copyright laws by posting a letter I had written privately to him in a public forum without my permission....If we want to be responsible researchers we need to be aware of the law--that's all--jd, could have provided the same information to the list by simply providing the URL to the article. I was not angry or threatening and this heated, sarcastic response was uncalled for. dianne

Posted on: DOHERTY Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/surnames/d/o/DOHERTY/queries/8 Surname: Doherty ------------------------- My grandfather Patrick Doherty born Derry on 22/4/1875 Emigrated to South Africa 1896 His daughter Nora corresponded with his sister/sister-in-law at 3 Demaine Terrace, Derry. I believe he had a brother Joseph who emigrated to Australia. Any connections out there ! Much Appreciated Jenny Horne

Posted on: DOHERTY Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/surnames/d/o/DOHERTY/queries/9 Surname: Doherty ------------------------- My grandfather Patrick Doherty born Derry on 22/4/1875 Emigrated to South Africa 1896 His daughter Nora corresponded with his sister/sister-in-law at 3 Demaine Terrace, Derry. I believe he had a brother Joseph who emigrated to Australia. Any connections out there ! Much Appreciated Jenny Horne

Seeking information and proofs on family (brothers, sisters, parents) of Esther Doherty Thomas b. 1764 (No. Ireland?) and died 1836 buried in Pioneer Cemetery Darke County Ohio. Unable to find proof of marriage in PA (can assume before 1795). Was in Butler County, Ohio in early 1800s. Perhaps husband's name was James Thomas who died in 1808 in Butler County, Ohio. Appreciate any leads.

Posted on: DOHERTY Queries Board URL: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.cgi/surnames/d/o/DOHERTY/queries?read=6 Surname: Doherty, Holiday, Olden, Royster ------------------------- Does anyone connect with a Joseph or Henry DEHORTY who I find with my HOLIDAY family on the 1860 census for Clay Co., Indiana? Joseph is age 65 and Henry is 50. Thank you!

At 11:48 PM 6/30/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Listers and >Phyllis Phillips <pmp@iname.com> > >I saw your post on Boston, Doherty Family. My Doherty Family was >also in Boston 1850's, 1860's and. They lived in the North End area. >Gggrandfather George Doherty was born in Donegal, IRE., His parents >were George Doherty and Ann. He was married to Isabella Shannon. >Daughter Margaret Doherty was born in Boston early 1850's. A passed >on family story, when Margaret was growing-up, she sang in the choir >of the Old North Church. I still have to check out these facts, sometime >in the future. Margaret had a brother Robert, as an adult, he spelled his >surname Dority. Do you have any knowledge of this Doherty Family? >I have alittle more information that may help to connect. Will you tell >me more about your John and Theresa Doherty and any children? > >Neuell@aol.com What I have is John and Margaret had 8 children and so far I have found my G Grandmother Margaret d-1906 at the age of 50 then I found her brother Charles who was a year older. they were all born in Ireland. I don't know if more then two came if Mom and Dad came but I have a lot on the Doherty's. I have LOTS of city directories. I also have McLaughlins which was Theresa'a maiden name. So when I did the city directories I can see where they lived together. I also met a Doherty/McLaughlin in Waltham Ma at NARA Archives who also was from the NE I have plenty of census if you have names I will look for you. John and Margaret Carland married at St Stephens Church in the North End which is close to the Old North Church They were at 196 Endicott St. I also have naturalizations papers for a lot of the Doherty's Phyllis >==== DOHERTY Mailing List ==== >DOHERTY List Administrator ><<commander@inetone.net>> > >============================== >Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. >RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. >http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

Hi Listers and Phyllis Phillips <pmp@iname.com> I saw your post on Boston, Doherty Family. My Doherty Family was also in Boston 1850's, 1860's and. They lived in the North End area. Gggrandfather George Doherty was born in Donegal, IRE., His parents were George Doherty and Ann. He was married to Isabella Shannon. Daughter Margaret Doherty was born in Boston early 1850's. A passed on family story, when Margaret was growing-up, she sang in the choir of the Old North Church. I still have to check out these facts, sometime in the future. Margaret had a brother Robert, as an adult, he spelled his surname Dority. Do you have any knowledge of this Doherty Family? I have alittle more information that may help to connect. Will you tell me more about your John and Theresa Doherty and any children? Neuell@aol.com

Greetings, As you may know a great Gathering of the O'Dochartaigh Clann is underway right now in the Inishowen Peninsula and Derry City. Visit the clan website for program details. At the moment of the sending of this note to you, a resolution is being presented to a meeting of clanfolk in Buncrana, Co. Donegal, regarding coordination of clan related websites. You may view the text on the website. If you publish a clan related website, please work with us to enhance the O'Dochartaigh presence on the Web. http://www.islandnet.com/~doherty/clann/resolve.html Kindly forward this to any clanfolk you think may be interested. ---Dan Doherty, Clann Webmaster - ------------------------------------- If you would prefer not to receive information about the Clann O'Dochartaigh (Doherty, etc.), please reply with the word "remove" in the subject field. If you receive duplicate copies to a single address (not including cross posting to lists), please reply with "duplicate" in the subject field. Also, please forward me the names & email address of others who would like to receive clan updates by email. Thank you. - ------------------------------------------------------ D. Doherty, doherty@islandnet.com Clann Homepage: http://www.islandnet.com/~doherty/clann/

Stayed tuned for information about your clann reunion...underway now in Ireland. - ------------------------------------------------------ D. Doherty, doherty@islandnet.com Clann Homepage: http://www.islandnet.com/~doherty/clann/

Frist post my Doherty's/McLaughlins came over in the 1860's to the North End of Boston and on to East Cambridge John and Theresa Doherty Phyllis

Hi, I am new to the list and thought I would post the little information I have so far on my Dougherty relative. It isn't much, but here goes: Alice DOCARTY or DOGHERTY or DOUGHERTY or DOHERTYsupposedly came from Ireland. She married a Edmund/Edward SHANLEY/SHANDLEY, who supposedly came from Scotland. They had a child in 1877 in Sunderland, England, named Alice. They had another child in 1885 in Bootle, West Derby, England. Another child was married in 1895 in Seaforth, West Derby, England.

Robert E. Doherty, 69 of Upland, CA, died April 26, 2000 at his home. Robert was born January 18, 1931 in California. Robert is survived by his wife, Mary E. Doherty; one daughter, Jeanine Condit; three sons, Mark Doherty, Chris Doherty and Darryl Doherty; a two stepdaughters, Anne Domonske & Laura Condino; four stepsons, Donald Domonske, Daniel Domonske, Tom Domonske and Alan Do- monske; parents Mr. and Mrs. Robert E. Doherty; one sister, Michelle O'Brian; one brother, James J. Doherty and 14 grandchildren. Robert was buried in the Oak Park Cemetery in Claremont, CA. iv040

Posted on: DOHERTY Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/d/o/DOHERTY/queries?read=5 Surname: Doherty, McDonald, McLean, Ross, McIntosh, Ferguson ------------------------- I am a Ferguson descended from Doherty, Ross, McDonald and McLean. According to oral history, little is known of the Scottish origins of the Ross or McDonald sides of the family; we have a very detailed family tree, based on the recollection of my (late) great aunt. Although I have thus far been searching Nova Scotia census records for individuals and/or their family listings, little of the known oral information has been confirmed by documentary evidence. Further, we know precious little about the Doherty side of the family, and even less about the Ferguson lineage. We do know that the earliest known of our ancestors - John Ross, Neil McDonald and John Doherty - were each born in Scotland and that Ferguson is a Scottish name; we do not know anything about their respective parents, nor the town/county from where they came, nor (except for Neil in 1830) when exactly they arrived in North America, nor how (ship passage, etc.), nor why they emigrated. A potential researcher in Scotland has informed that my particular Scottish ancestors have very common names and that, in order to proceed, she needs exact locations in Scotland and dates of events which, based on the information available, I cannot provide at this time. It is, therefore, like finding a "needle in a haystack." As you review the following, can anyone offer suggestions to pursue MY John Ross, MY Neil McDonald and MY John Doherty? What we do know is that our Scottish ancestors settled in Canada or the USA: in Nova Scotia on Cape Breton Island (Victoria County in Plaster/North Shore, Englishtown and Sydney/Sydney Mines); or in Boston, Massachusetts. Here they are by generation: I. John Ross, (b. Scotland ca 1814) became a farmer in the Englishtown area of Cape Breton. He had two sons with his wife Mary (surname Marey? or Montgomery? also b. Scotland ca 1823): first son Donald Ross (b. 1850 St Ann's, Victoria County, NS); second son John Ross (b. 1852 St Ann's, Victoria County, NS). So the naming pattern is John, Donald, John. In seaching for John Ross's parents, are we therefore looking for another Donald Ross who preceded our 1814 John Ross? For farmers living in Englishtown, would the births of children in St Ann's be normal given time/distance considerations? According to the 1871 Englishtown Cape Breton census, one Isabella Montgomery age 70 (b Scotland 1801) and one Sarah Ross age 45 (b Scotland ca. 1826) "resided in John Ross's household". No mention is made of Isabella on the 1881 census in the John Ross household where Sarah was recorded as Sarah Ross Ferguson. However, an Isabella Montgomery age 80 is listed in the household of John Montgomery (an Englishtown neighbor of John Ross) in 1881. Could this be Isabella's son? Further, no mention is made of John and Mary Ross or of Sarah or Isabella on the 1891 census (presumably they had moved or died). Based on the 1871 census alone, I had speculated that Sarah was John Ross's younger sister and that Isabella (maiden name Montgomery) was the mother of John and Sarah Ross living in John's household. Based on the 1881 census listings I am now wondering: could Isabella (m surname Montgomery) have been Mary Ross's mother living in the senior John's extended family household (or visiting) at the time of the 1871 census? that Mary's maiden name was Montgomery? that Isabella was living in her son John Montgomery's extended family household (or visiting) at the time of the 1881 census? "None of the women in the (John Ross) household could read or write." It is my contention that the elder John Ross may have emigrated Scotland to Cape Breton either in his father's family or else with his own extended family intact sometime before his own sons Donald and John were born St Ann's (1850 and 1852 respectively). Any thoughts anyone? II. I also have the names of the children of John and Mary Ross: In 1871, Donald Ross and brother John Ross, both "fishermen and single, lived in the household of John Ross" their father. Based on the 1881 census from Englishtown: Donald Ross was single, a farmer/fisherman residing in his father's household which at that time also included the family of son John Ross. By 1891, Donald is no longer listed in Englishtown; his brother John, then head of household, continued to reside there as his own family grew (but without the senior John Ross, Mary Ross, Isabella Montgomery or Sarah Ross). a. Donald Ross (first marriage: 2 girls; and second marriage: 5 girls): (1) As of the 1881 Englishtown census, Donald was a farmer and still resided in his father John's household. Donald moved in the 1880s to Cow Bay/Port Morien, became a miner (probably coal), and married McIntosh (who died after 2d daughter Christine Ross/later Morrison was born 1888). Donald's children from 1st wife (given name unknown, surname McIntosh): (a) Kate Ross Pentecost (Kate married a Pentacost, first name unknown, had four children, Donald Ross's grandchildren [Danny, Wilbur, Mildred, David], and lived in Sydney). Can anyone identify? (b) Christine Ross Morrison (Christine b 1888, married a Dan Morrison but had no children, and lived in French River). (2) By early 1891, Donald Ross was a miner and widower with two daughters. On May 1, 1891, he married Christine McDonald (from North Shore) in North Sydney. Donald's children from 2d wife, Christine McDonald (with spouse; known location): (a) Mary Ann Ross Chase, b. 1892 (married Fred Chase; Danvers, MA) (b) Margaret Isabella Ross Drown, b. 1893 (married George Lester Drown; Jamaica Plain, MA) (c) Johnena Ross Doherty, b. 1895 (married William Henry Doherty; Danvers, MA) (d) Cassie Ross, b. 1896 (Montreal, Ontario) (e) Jessie Ross Coburn, b. 1897 (married Joseph Coburn; National City/San Diego, CA) b. John Ross, fisherman/farmer, m Margaret (surname unknown); their children (2 boys and 3 girls): (1) Danny Ross (2) John Ross (thus, naming pattern is John-John-John) (3) Jessie Ross Ploff (married a Ploff, first name unknown) (4) Margaret Ross (5) Catherine Ross III. Here are some more of my ancestors, Neil McDonald (b. Scotland Aug 12, 1828) married Margaret McLean (b. Sep 10, 1838 NS (rural?). Neil was a farmer and resided in the Plaster/North Shore area of Cape Breton Island. He had "arrived from Scotland 1830" at the age of almost 2. Neil and Margaret had seven children (six girls & 1 boy) all b. NS. Note: none of the girls' spouses' (nor respective childrens') surnames (except a & d below) are known. Can anyone identify? a. Rachel McDonald, b. 1862 [married a Morrison: Neil, Elliott, Cassie, Annie]; b. Margaret McDonald (called Maggie), b. 1864 [Peggy, Jessie, Rachel, boy]; c. Annie McDonald (called Big Annie), b. 1868 [Morris]; d. Christine McDonald (my gr-grandmother, called Christy), b. 1871 [married Donald Ross: Mary Ann, Margaret, Johnena (my maternal grandmother), Cassie, Jessie]; e. Sarah Ann McDonald, b. 1873 [Roddie, Morris, Margaret, Jessie, Bessie]; f. Annie McDonald (called Little Annie), b. 1875 [Margaret]; and g. Donald John McDonald, b. Feb 1, 1878 [Neil, Annie, Dollie, Peggie, Elliott]. Can anyone identify the surnames of unknown spouses (b, c, e, f, g above)? Exact birth places of children unknown but, by 1881, Neil McDonald still resided in North Shore; so the seven children were probably born vicinity North Shore. Both Rachel and Donald John had sons named Neil and Elliot. So the naming pattern here is Neil, Donald, Neil. So, are we also looking for a(nother) Donald (McDonald) or an Elliot (McDonald) or perhaps a John (McDonald)? Oldest daughter Rachel McDonald, who married a Morrison, had five children, the last of whom was Annie Morrison who lived in Sydney Mines and married Angus Campbell; their two known children were Margaret Catherine and Mary. IV. As above, on May 1, 1891 in North Sydney my gr grandmother Christine McDonald married Donald Ross. And so, the two families - Ross and McDonald - were united. Donald Ross and Christine McDonald Ross began their family in the early to mid 1890s. V. My grandmother Johnena Ross was born 1895 Cape Breton vicinty Sydney/North Sydney/Sydney Mines. After immigrating to Boston, MA ca 1910, she worked as a nurse's aide at Danvers State Hospital; she met William Henry Doherty who was a meat cutter at the hospital and a volunteer fireman in Danvers/Boston (he was the son of Scottish parents John Doherty, a coal shoveler, and Mary Hernan who had settled in East Boston where William Henry was born August 10, 1897; at the time of William Henry's birth, they lived at 2 Savage Court). William and Johnena married ca 1920, settled in nearby Danvers, MA, and began family in the 1920s; my mother Mary Virginia Doherty, b July 26, 1921; was the oldest of four girls; and on January 17, 1947, married Thomas Francis Ferguson (son of Thomas E Ferguson and Mary Conway) from Westfield, MA. Conclusions: It seems that all the Ross girls emigrated Cape Breton; all except Cassie immigrated the USA, became nurse aides/attendant nurses at Danvers State Hospital, and married. Known descendants today are in Massachusetts, Kansas, Wisconsin and Maryland. So the Cape Breton area bounded by Cow Bay/Port Morien on the east; Sydney, North Sydney and Sydney Mines in the center; St Anns on the west; and Plaster/North Shore/French River in the north may be the likely area where Donald Ross and Christine McDonald raised their family. While some Ross and McDonald descendants may have emigrated from Cape Breton Island, some may still reside there today. If anyone can help identify any of them or validate any of my conjectures, based on the details cited above, kindly notify Tom Ferguson at fergusontlk@erols.com. Thank you in advance.