Hi, Tom, and thanks for your input. My sources on William Creel born ca. 1712 who married Alice DODSON, in 1729 Richmond Co., VA, are first, pages from Anywhere I Wander, compiled and edited by J. Adolphus Owens, which is about the CREEL family, and also Lucas's book on the DODSON family referenced so many times on this list. Both state that William was the son of Thomas CREEL and Elizabeth, and that he died 1757 in Prince William Co., VA. The Owens book on the Creels does not give a birthdate for this William, while Lucas shows 1712. The birth of a William CREEL to Charles CREEL and Elizabeth on Aug. 17, 1712, is shown in the Owens book, followed by the notation that he probably died young. His siblings, all noted with specific dates in Northumberland Co., VA, were Charles, Mary Ann, Hannah, and John CREEL. Charles and Thomas Creel, the fathers of these two sons named William, are brothers, both sons of John Creele and Anne. The two Williams would have been first cousins. The William who survived to marry Alice Dodson named his children Sarah, Mathew, John, and probably Wm. Creel, Jr. I do not have the specific primary source citations for either one, but both family genealogies are in agreement. Perhaps others can share some more info here? Gene in FL ____ Always seeking ROOKS & BALLENTINE