In a message dated 98-04-30 22:32:02 EDT, you write: << This is the first I've heard of the name Chief Eagle Plume, although I do think Mrs. C. T. Dodson made some reference to that name as her source for the original story about the Indian wife. Love to hear more, Gene in FL >> These are my notes on John Dodson. I have no proof of anything and am not making any claims. I'm posting this for what it's worth. Chuck Demastus John Dods is listed as a labouror in the original 105 settlers of Jamestown with Capt. John Smith, and also a soldier in expeditions against the Indians. The Tax List of James City 16 Feb. 1623 lists John Dods and Mrs. Dods as living at the Neck of Land near James City, now Chesterfield, Va. in 1627. John Dods was born in England 1588 and came to Jamestown in 1607 at the age of 18 years. John married the Indian maiden Jane, daughter of Chief Eagle Plume of Colorado, of the Iroquois Indian Nation, and became the parents of William and Jesse Dodson. Jesse and William took brides from the Bride Ships about 1630. This gives some early background of the first of this line to enter the American Colonies. {"Marsh and Related Families "p. 55} _________________________________________________________________ Source: Ancestors of Robert Dodson and His Descendants. Written by Mrs. C. T. Dodson; Illustrated by Miss Oneida Uzzell. Privately published, {1964?] (Note: This book is 115 p. and is located in the Dallas Public Library, Dallas, TX, call # R929.2 D647d) I have the table of contents and some of the introductory pages--gg. I will include excerpts here: The book starts out with information on the Jamestown colony, and Charles Dodson of Richmond Co.., VA on pp. 1-3: "JOHN (1) DODSON) "John (1) Dodson came over to America from England with Capt. John Smith in 1607. There were a hundred and five men in this company that founded the first permanent English Colony in America. "They reached the capes of Virginia April 1607, and sailed up the broad river, thirty two miles from the river's mouth. They named the river, James and their settlement Jamestown, in honor of their King. "The colonists soon erected cabins out of poles and branches and some dug caves to live in. "The site of the colony was unhealthy, and the deaths, especially during the first few years of the colony, were horrifying. From 1606 to 1618, a period of twelve years, eighteen hundred immigrants sailed from England for Virginia. At the end of that time only six hundred were living. "Attacks by Indians, starvation, and the system of holding property in common added to the difficulties of the colonists. But in 1612 they began to grow tobacco and they fared better. "The year 1619 brought three important events to Virginia and the colonists. Virginia was permitted to enjoy a measure of self government; a ship load, eighty, of prospective wives arrived from England (probably Jesse (2) Dodson and William (2) Dodson married two of these women). The colonist could secure a wife, with her permission, and by paying her transportation, in the amount of one hundred and twenty pounds of tobacco--about $500 dollars worth; and the first Negro slaves landed in Virginia. "In spite of all the hardships John (1) Dodson survived and was reported to have been a mighty hunter and fur trader and in his dealings with the Indians became the possessor of large bodies of land. He was a good citizen (see Record Chapter). "We find descendants of this early Jamestown settler in every emigrant western movement. Children: "a. Jesse (2) MORE LATER "b. Willliam (2) no more information on him. "Jesse (2) Dodson. No information on him. Child: "a. Charles (3) Dodson, MORE LATER. "CHARLES (3) DODSON "Charles (3) Dodson born about 1649, d. 1705 Richmond Co.., Va., m. Ann Dodson (dau. of Benjamine Dodson, who gave his daughter a legacy of land on the James River in Essex Co., Va., May 1652. This joined John Hill, Sr.'s land.) (This Benjamine probably came from England.) Ann m. before 1680 to Charles Dodson. (2nd) John Hill, Jr., after Charles' (3) death. (See Record Chapter for Charles' (3) will.) "On July 8 Charles (3) Dodson leased land in old Rappahannock Co. Rappahannock Co. became extinct in 1692 being divided into Essex and Richmond counties. Charles (3) Dodson owned land in both counties but resided in North Farnham Parish, Richmond Co., Va., where he became a large land owner. "The records show that from 1680 to 1692 he was busy acquiring land which he and his sons proceeded to improve, and indicated that he had the confidence of his neighbors. We find him witnessing various documents and on several occasions he is named in wills as Executor. In a will of John Lincoln dictated Dec. 18, 1686, the comment was made in the affidavit of witnesses that the maker of the will 'would have no other but Charles Dodson as his executor although several insisted that he have his wife.' "Until 1686 the Episcopal Church was the State church in Virginia. All children, regardless of religious affiliation, were required to be baptized by the ministers of the church. Dates of birth and names of their parents were recorded in the parish registers. The same information was taken of marriages and burials. These church records are preserved. They are available in the Virginia State Library in Richmond, Va. (See Record Chapter.) "In the life time of Charles (3) Dodson there were many new immigrants arriving in Virginia from England. They came in boatloads almost every month in the year. More and more settlements were established. By 1700 there were more than 80,000 persons living in the tidewater region of Virginia. "During this time the colony was in almost constant trouble with their ruler, the English government and its representatives. Mainly the colonists objected to the arbitrary action of the colony officials and their ruthless demands. "Children of Charles (3) Dodson and Ann Dodson: "a. Charles (4) m. Anne, d. Aug. 1, 1715 "b. Thomas (4) MORE LATER "c. Bartholomew Richard (4) m. Elizabeth "d. William (4) "e. John (4) m. Elizabeth "f. Lambert (4), m. Sarah "g. Anne (4) "h. Elizabeth (4)" That concludes the information through page 3. As you can see, Mrs.C. T. Dodson is a very good writer. The facts about Jamestown can be proven through any Encyclopedia or other good source, and they appear to be correct. And she does try to document her material. You may be the judge on the line of descent down to Charles Dodson. Glenn Gohr ggohr01@mail.orion.org _________________________________________________________________ The two-volume set of books by Williams and Lucas have a gold mine of information. However, in the Publisher's Preface the author states plainly that no proof of a relationship exists between Charles Dodson and the John Dods or Dodson "who came over with Capt. John Smith". He stresses that it must be stated *unequivocably* that *no legal records* exist to prove this hypothetical descendancy of Charles Dodson. He further states that he contacted a "lady in Texas" who had been making the claims (I assume she had published--bc) and she told him that what she was using as proof was the fact that several people had joined one or more patriotic organizations using these claims as proof. He says that those organizations were of very recent origin, and their requirements were not as "hard and fast" as those of the DAR and Colonial Dames. He was unable to convince her of the questionable validity of those organizations. Barbara Couser bebeco@mail.cei.net _________________________________________________________________ Here is info. as stated in Mrs. C. T. Dodson's book, but like Rev. S. E. Lucas, Jr. and so many others, I have real doubts about the PROOF shown here. Just because someone joined a lineage organization and was accepted does NOT mean it is absolute proof. Original source materials (court records, family Bibles, etc.--not just someone's word--even if it is in a book or on a CD--gg Here follows some of the source materials and documents cited in the following book: Ancestors of Robert Dodson and His Descendants. Written by Mrs. C. T. Dodson; Illustrated by Miss Oneida Uzzell. Privately published, {1964?] (Note: This book is 115 p. and is located in the Dallas Public Library, Dallas, TX, call # R929.2 D647d) Information from that book was quoted by me in two earlier posts to the Dodson List. Here follows information on records to get into Daughters of the Colonists by Lillian E. Dodson--gg. pp. 72-73 (This is quoted word for word from the book, including mispellings or question marked items--gg): Copied 9 February, 1966 by Edith Wolf Standhardt from handwritten copy lent by O. H. Schwanderman. >From Records to get into Daughters of Colonists by Lillian Elanine Dodson [I think this should be Daughters of the American Colonists--gg] Name of Ancestor - John Dodson of James River or Jamestown. Served in the Council and General Court of Jamestown, 1622 - 1629. The undersigned have investigated and approve the applicant and her application Signature of St. Louis Chapter Officers: Chapter Regent: Maude Bryan Jenneinzo (?) (Jennings?E.S.) Chapter Registrar: Gertrude L. Wingert; Chapter Sec: Clara Sizer Nevling - Date: Nov. 21, 1949; Signature of Missouri State Officers: State Regent: Mrs. Edwin Lamont Barber; State Registrar: Nell Downing Norton; State Sec: Acenath M. Booth - Date: Nov. 21, 1949 - Fee received by National Society: Mabel S. Stoyer, Nat. Treas. Dec. 15, 1949; Signature of National Officers: Natl. President: Margaret F. Powers; Natl. Registrar: Lillian M. Sanford; Natl. Sec.: Mabel Puffer Martin; Date of Acceptance: Jan. 31, 1950 - Endorsed: Mrs. Clyde Nevling, 4259 Maffit Ave., St. Louis; Mrs. Joseph Jannuzzo, 8016 Seminole Place, Clyton 5, Mo. Miss Lillian Elanine Dodson, born 4 Feb. 1901, Wayne Co., KY. herein apply for membership in Society by right of descent from John Dodson, a member of the Jamestown Settlement in Virginia, who is mentioned in Va. Mag. Vol. 23, p. 11 in St. Louis Public Library Ref. Room., of Jamestown, Virginia, born in England, died in Virginia, served in Council and General Court of Jamestown 1622-29. I was born in Steubenville (Wayne Co.) Ky. I am the daughter of John Cornelius Dodson of Steubenville, Ky., born 22 Feb. 1869, died 31 Jan. 1931 - married 22 Feb. 1900 to Nancy Kelly, born 19 Dec. 1869 d. 18 Dec. 1939. John Cornelius Dodson, son of John Dodson born 23 Nov. 1831, died 11 Aug. 1885, married Sara Phillips, born 23 Nov. 1828 John Dodson is the son of Jesse Dodson born 26 Dec. 1802, died 3 Jan. 1864, married 14 July 1824 Elizabeth Small, born 12 Oct. 1805, d. 12 June 1876. Jesse Dodson is the son of Thomas Dodson, died prior to 1836. married Jemima Randall. Thomas Dodson is son of George Dodson of Richmond Co., Va., born 31 Oct. 1737, died 1825 Pittsylvania Co., Va., married twice, Margaret and Elizabeth. George Dodson is the son of George Dodson, married 30 April 1726 in Richmond Co., Va. to Margaret Dagord. George Dodson is son of Thomas Dodson born 15 May 1681, died 21 Nov. 1740. Thomas Dodson is son of Charles Dodson of Richmond Co., Va. born 1649, died 1704. Charles Dodson is son of Jesse Dodson, Richmond Co., Va. married to Ann. Jesse Dodson is the son of John Dodson of Jamestown Settlement born in England. Records to be found: Genealogy traced in "Dodson Genealogy 1600 - 1907" page 364, St. Louis Mo. Library. Will on record in Pittsylvania Co., Courthouse, Va. proved 19 Dec. 1825. Named in father's will proved 2 Mar. 1740 in Richmond Co., Va. Named in father's will (Charles) in Richmond Co., Va. Courthouse, 1704. Abstracts of Richmond Co., Va. Also "Dodson Genealogy", Ege. Lineage in "Dodson Genealogy 1600-1907" by Rev.. T. P. Ege, Local Library. Mentioned in "Dodson Genealogy", also Virginia Mag. of History. Authoriities proving servicof Fort Recovery, Ohio, Route 3, 4 Feb. 1964. She is a cousin to me by Dodson lineage from Rutha Mary Dodson Schwanderman, 1870 - 1959, Wayne Co., Ky. Champaign Co., Ill. Glenn Gohr ggohr01@mail.orion.org _________________________________________________________________ Article in Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, Vol.23 (1915), pp. 11-12, as quoted in: Ancestors of Robert Dodson and His Descendants. Written by Mrs. C. T. Dodson; Illustrated by Miss Oneida Uzzell. Privately published, {1964?] (Note: This book is 115 p. and is located in the Dallas Public Library, Dallas, TX, call # R929.2 D647d), pp. 73-74: *Note: I am quoting this directly from the Virginia Magazine of History and Biography article--there is more than what is quoted, here, but this is the part that refers to John Doddson.--gg Minutes of the Council and General Court [ink folio 105] Mr. Thomas Edwardes beinge Demanded wt he could sayd concerninge the Accomodatinge of passengers yt cam in the shipp called the Ann said that he wold never Desire to be better vsed Yt is ordered Yt mr Daniell Lacye shall haue four acres of grounde in the Islande adioyne on the grounde of mr Kingsmells, wch is the rather granted for that mr Kingsmell Doth Desire the same Moris Thomsone and John Dodson sworne and Exand sayeth that for ye they were a fortnight or three weeks abourde befor they had any breckfast Drinke allowed them, And after they had Complayned, they had to smale Cans of beere for breckfast to 5 men wch Contynued soe for some six weeks or two moneths And they had a quarter can of beere to a meale for 5 men wch Contynued for the space of sixteen weeks, And after that for the space of Six weeks a three weeks they had three smale cans of beere to A messe. And a pounde and a halfe And that they had three pownd of bred a Daye to A messe for the space of some sixteene weeks. And after till theyr cominge in thre bisketts a meale to A mess. And for A sixteen weeks they had thrree flesh Dyes A week, And after that for about a moneth fortnight they had too flesh Dyes a week and after yt 2 flesh meales a week till theire Cominge in foorther they say that ther beere was well condicioned except a butt or two (ink folio 106) And fovrther they say have harde some of the passengers Complayne but wt cause they had they know nott.... Glenn Gohr ggohr01@mail.orion.org