This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/RKT.2ACIB/1526.1.1.1.1.2.2.1.3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I've been trying to get hold of a set of the Dodson Notebooks by Ralph & Syliva Jones myself. The only one of them That the Dodson/Hayden Cousins gave me is about a 20th generation copy but is still legable. I'm looking for some copies for my Children. I have the Dodson(Dodson) Family of NorthFarnham Parish,Richmond Co, VA, a History and Genalogy of Their Descendants Vol,1 & Vol2. by Rev Silas Emmett Lucas Jr copyright 1988, southern Historical Press.alsoVirginia Genealogies a genealogy of the Glassell Family of Scotland and VA. By Rev Horace Edwin Hayden. it also list Ball, Brown, Bryan ,Conway, Daniel, Ewell, Holladay,Lewis, Lilttlepage,Moncure, Peyton, Robinson,Scott,Taylor,Wallace,Dunaway. My branch of dodsons married into about all these families. I also got some info from the Bulletin of the Northumberland County Historical SocietyVol1990 and others they have in The Library of VA in Richmond (city) VAThey had nealy all the Vol. I dont have the History of the Dodson-D! otson Famliy Bk. by Daniela Fulton, I have gotten a lot of help from Noah Smothers <nsmother&socket.net> He sent me a copy of Thadius Booth Dodson my great GrandFather) who goes all the way back to 1607. PS your friend that took you to Charles City. may be kin to my Granddaught 's In-laws Freddie and Lois Adkins Jones. Almost eveybody on the Rez. are either kin by marriage of blood. and still give their children Indian Middle names, My G-Granddaughters names are Reyghan Nicole Little Star Jones,Chenoa Lynn Jones (Chenoa means Wt. Dove) and my G-Grandson is names Dylan Rainwater Jones, Their Grandfather Freddie middlename is Little Dear, and Lois is Little Star. Their Father is Steven Lance Jones. I have to go now. way back to John Dodson in1607

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RKT.2ACIB/1526.1.1.1.1.2.2.1.3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: A year ago, friends took me to Charles City, to the landing where ships came in (probably John Dod's' "neck") and where a warehouse stood within my guide's memory (of red brick). And he also is related to the Adkins line, and took me to the Chickahominy rez area and cemetery. It was very moving. At first I did not believe an Iroquois connection was possible, but then read Rountree on the Senecas coming down the river and creating havoc for the local Powhatan-allied bands. What do you have of Dod's getting married in court records? That would be a pretty definite document. and are there copies of that set of notebooks? My ancestor is Wm. A Dotson borh 1836 in KY, but orphaned and with no direct line to a father. My brother did the dna sample and came out very close to a direct line to Chas. Dodson. All best to all these Dod/tson cousins (am I guessing many of you also are stubborn and strong willed?) Denise (Dotson) Low

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/RKT.2ACIB/1526.1.1.1.1.2.2.1.3.1.2 Message Board Post: Thank for replying. Happy you use to be a Certified Genealogist ,I only started in 1998 beause I had traced my husbands family Tilman/Tillman/Tilghman by to the early 1200ad. His grandmothers family Anderson/Norman/Morton/ Buck and our cousin Milton Burke traced TheBurke/Baldwin/Throckmorton/Childres family for my Mother-in-law I didnt have anything on my side of the family( I was put in the Childrens Home Society when I was 4yr.) I had one name Garland Dodson age 21.Thanks to the State Library of VA. I now have lots of cousins who invite to to the Christmas Reunion Party every yr. and keep intouch with a lot of Cousins in Richmond Co, Lancaster Co York Co VA. by the way My Grandfather Andrew Jertson/Judson Dodson was listed as A.J Dodson on his 1th child's birth Certifite., J A Dodson on the 2n'child's,Judson A Dodson on 3'd, Jergie on www1 record, Judie Dodson in 1910, Juddie Dodson in 1920, Juddie Dodson 1930,and was listed as colored, All the other records including B! irth Cert. SSN records he is listed as Jerry Dodson. Grandpa Jerdie was a Orcherman/Farmer/ Shoemaker but he couldnt read or write, and had a little list in his speech so people just put on paper whatever they thought he said. I just that has happen to a lot of People.Makes gett ing official records. hard to locate.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/RKT.2ACIB/1526.1.1.1.1.2.2.1.3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks for the infomation. That explains why they have John Dodson(Dods) getting married at the General Court of Jamestown VA in James Co VA. Chief Eagle Plume(Iroquis Nation) Pre Colonial America was kin to Chief Powhatan, Pocahotas's father, I don't know wether he was a brother or uncle. My grandson-in-law belongs to the Chickahomin Tribe in Charles City VA. I understand one of his relitives traces His line, Jones,Askins,exe. back to Jamestown and Chief Powhatan, Their Tribe got kicked out of Jamestown by the white people durning the Indian wars . Their tribe bought land in Charles City VA and have been their eversince, They hold Pow-wows every yr for the last 52 yr, They and the other 6 Tribes have a Pertition to be reconized by the USA. We teases Lance and his family about how their relitives met Ours in Jamestown when John Dods came from England.

Dear List-ers, I have run into a brick wall with one of my ancestors. It is Emma Dotson (sometimes spelled Dodson, born June 17, 1850), married Joseph C. Cagle (sometimes spelled "Kagle" born Jan 6, 1838). They were married Dec. 29, 1871 possibly in Washington County, Arkansas. All the info I have is from a hand-written note in my grandmother's Bible. This was my great-great grandmother; sure would like to find out more. Thanks, Kim Townsend Spangrude

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RKT.2ACIB/1536.1.1.1 Message Board Post: No problem she is just one of my brick walls. Rose [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Settle, Smith, Lawson, Dodson, Ware, Lane Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RKT.2ACIB/1536.1.1 Message Board Post: I haven't run across them yet, I'm printing off your message and if they come up I'll let you know..Right now, I'm trying to sort out the two Ruth's... Please feel free to use my emial [email protected] Thannks, Cleo

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RKT.2ACIB/1536.1 Message Board Post: Does your family happen to include a Peggy Dodson b1800 married to Benjamin Thompson (b1796 ) on 2/2/1819 in Wayne, KY with at least 2 sons George and James? Rose

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Eagle Plume/Dodson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RKT.2ACIB/1526.1.1.1.1.2.2.1.3.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: "Preponderance of evidence" is a good term for this. John Dod's was in Va. in 1607 and the 1624 "muster." He had a wife Jane who did not arrive on a ship. Documents are missing, as they are for most of Native Am. colonial history. Jane, if Indian, probably was not Christian, so there would be no church records. Elsewhere I have read John had a 1 1/2 acre grant (I'm away from home and can't cite the exact doc.), which is a lot less than the other folks' grants. He's listed on the 1607 list as a laborer (not a gentleman nor an artisan). He must have quite a history himself, and fewer expectations as a lower class, uneducated and unskilled man There were very few white women and a lot of higher class men, who would be more appealing to a woman arriving from England. I would guess the more alpha males and more wealthy males would get immigrant women first. So again my guess is if Jane was not from overseas--she was Am. Ind. Indentured servants of all backgrounds were lumped together in the early 1600s (See the living quarters at Monticello for slaves AND indentured servants). Also, the freeafricanamericans web site gives court records for all free African Americans and Indians in colonial times, and it shows a much greater interaction among "races." One last thing on census race categories: my husband and I have researched and written a book on Langston Hughes's background (Langston Hughes in Lawrence, available thru amazon.com or online at www.mammothpublications.com), and we found Charles Langston, his grandfather fr. Va. and brother of John Mercer Langston, listed in US and Ks. census as white, mulatto, and then colored. This is mysterious and engrossing. I applaud the use of documents and legitimate research. I've found many errors in my own mother and father's oral versions of the family trees (some were obvious censoring). And as much as I have a gut feeling and some preponderance of evidence that Jane was Indian, I hesitate to state it as a fact until we have more concrete information. Helen Rountree's books on colonial Va. are very informative also of the times and the Native people's interactions with Jamestown and later Virginians.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RKT.2ACIB/1496.1 Message Board Post: I am a descendant of Caleb Dodson b abt. 1752 thru Isaac b 1774; then James Dodson b.1806; then my gt grandfather Matthew E Dodson b 1841. Barb in Illinois

Hello to all, The Eagle Plume/Dodson myth seems to reappear about every six months or so. Many of us want this to be true to have a direct lineage back to the Ancient Planters of Jamestown, but so many researchers have looked for that true connection and it has NEVER been found. We have discussed this matter over and over in this and other forums but still this myth appears on the internet. ........................................................................... Here is my viewpoint: John Dods did survive the two Indian massacres and he and his wife Jane are found in the 1624 "The Muster of the Inhabitants of the neck-of-land in the corporation of Chares Cittie in Virginia taken the 24th of January 1624" Source: "Adventures of Purse and Person Virginia 1607-1624/5" by Virginia M. Meyer and John Frederick Dorman, 1987, 3rd ed., p. 8-9. see below: "The Muster of John Dods John Dods aged 36 yeares in the Susan Constant April 1607 Jane his wife aged 40 yeares Provisions: Corne, 10 barrells; Pease, 1/2 bushell; Fish, 1/2 hundred. Armes and Munition: Powder, 4 lb; lead and bulletts, 30 lb; Peeces fixt, 2; Coat of Male, 1 and a head peece; sword, 1. Poultrie, 30. houses: house, 1." This book contains the descendancy of many other early Virginia surnames out to four generations. The surname Dods is NOT continued anywhere else in the book. Please note that NO children are mentioned in this muster for John Dods (done in 1624/5--i.e., no Jesse Dodson born in 1623), whereas many other children are listed by name for the other family musters in this census. My book does NOT show the Dods' with apostrophe (i.e., believed to indicate that his name is really Dodson), only Dods. My book does NOT explain why there is an absence of the name of the immigration ship after Jane Dods name; however, in the muster roll just after the muster of John Dods (the muster of William Vincene), the wife Joane aged 42 yeares does not have the name of the immigration ship as well. I see NO explanation for this overshight and the book does NOT specifically state that these women were both native American and therefore had NO ships. Even so, is Jane supposed to be Eagle Plume or what? Also age 40 is a little old to start a family especially since over 340 of your neighbors were just killed by the Indians. ....................................................... Williams and Lucas, "The Dodson (Dotson) Family of North Farnham Parish, Richmond County, Virginia", Vol. 1, p. vi, Publisher's Preface: "A word of warning concerning trying to claim kinship with people with whom we cannot prove a relationship, i.e.: Are we kin to the "John Dodson, 1607 of Jamestown, Virginia, or Benjamin Dodson, c. 1652 of Essex County, Virginia? Some people would like to say that these men are the direct ancestors of Charles Dodson who died in 1701. They state that a John Dodson came with Captain John Smith in 1607 and the John Dodson had sons Jesse and William Dodson. It is further stated that the aforementioned Jesse Dodson was the father of Charles Dodson, born about 1649 and died about 1701, in Richmond Co., Virginia....(and so on, then) it must be stated unequivocably that no legal records exist to prove this hypothetical descendancy of Charles Dodson." Williams and Lucas looked for decades on the Dodsons. ................................................................................ One book came out of Austin, Texas which claimed this Jesse to Charles descendency but NO proof was ever given. We researchers continue to ask for proof to those who continue to repeat this myth on the Web pages and internet, and still NO PROOF has ever come forth. Make no mistake, we would welcome any new facts on this hypothesis or any other information relating to the true father of Charles Dodson. We have been working for years to this resolve. ............................................................................................. "The Registers of North Farnham Parish 1663-1814 and Lunenburg Parish 1783-1800 Richmond County Virginia", by George Harrison Sanford King, 1966. This is the first location for the Charles Dodson lineage. Seventy five separate listings for the birth, death, or marriage of the descendant Dodsons are recorded beginning with "Dodson, Thomas son of Charles and Anne Dodson, 15 May 1681", found on page 47. There is no information prior to 1663 recorded here in the Registers, i. e. no birth of Charles (#1) Dodson and no listing of parents and no marriage record of Charles and Anne in this parish record. It is reasonable to speculate that Charles and Anne came to this parish after their marriage (ca 1680) but beyond that we do not know if he was a descendant or an immigrant. The information that is proposed on the birth of Charles Dodson in Richmond Co. is just not here. Old Rappahannock Co. (later Richmond and Essex) was formed out of Lancester Co. in 1656, so any recordin! g of the birth of Charles in 1649 has to be recorded ELSEWHERE. .................................................................................................. There are other Dodsons in early Virginia: Gervease, William, Benjamin, Thomas, etc. who are probably not related to each other or Charles. Charles #1 just happens to be the one that we can trace and proved our ancestry. Don't you think that 56 years (1624 to 1680) is a long time NOT to have someone mention the lineal Dodson name somewhere IF there was a direct lineage from John to Jesse to Charles? ............................................................................................... This forum is good for debate and of course welcomes any new factual information. On the other hand, please do not perpetuate this Eagle Plume myth or John Dods hypothesis unless you can list credible sources. Sure, we would like to believe the Dods lineage but there is NO proof. Charles Dodson is the progenitor of thousands and thousands of descendants, and we need to make sure that any new revelation about this ancestry as credible as possible. It affects all of us. Thanks. Morris

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RKT.2ACIB/1526.1.1.1.1.2.2.1.3.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Lillie, thanks for posting this info. It will be a big help. At one time I was a Certified Genealogist and did research for others...some for membership into the DAR...you have to be accurate to do this kind of work, and I quickly developed a low tolerance for the kind of lineages you find on the internet. I am familiar with Ralph Jones' research on our Dodsons. He made some errors because he sometimes would fell back on "preponderance of evidence", and he would fail to correct his work when accurate records were later found. However, he often did fair work in a day when it was hard to find the records you needed. It would be wise to compare all his work with actual records. I ran a little Ancestry.com search on Judith Hagger, and found where some say she was married to Jesse Dodson, some say to John Dodson, and some say to Thomas Dodson. However, I did not find where she personally made any records on her own...i.e. her father's will? Or even where she was a Ship-Bride, etc. If your Grandfather Juddie Dodson was listed as colored in 1900...then he must have lived in Virginia? I have heard of this before in Virginia census....if the person had dark complexion. Perhaps he was part Native American?? So, welcome to the Dodson Clan...:-) MaryE

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/RKT.2ACIB/1526.1.1.1.1.2.2.1.3.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Most of my info. came from 'theDodson Notebooks by Ralph and Sylvia Jones of Dewillsville NY. there are 4 notebook in all I think they are out of print,When I met my birth family Dec. 1999. The Cousins made sure I had a copy. Ralph only send the one on Charles Dodson pg 125-150 family, Alexander Dodson pg 201-340, Elizabeth Dodson & husband George Elmore, Rawleigh Dodson 375 -400 section 3. Ralph Jones sent the letter on Dec 18 1968,and said he'd send the others later. He died a couple of years later,His wife'mother was Glady Dodson. I undersrand,His granddaughter is thying to get the info again, You'd do better in contacting NoahSmothers<[email protected] He has done a lot of research on the Dodsons, By the way I do know that were white people in Old RappanickCo now Richmond Co VA. All my relietive were White. There are mistakes made in records. They have my grandfather listed as Juddie Dodson being colored. even tho in1900 tho 1920 he's listed as white. When I told my half sister she said we need a little spice in our family tree.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RKT.2ACIB/1526.1.1.1.1.2.2.1.3.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Please, please....where did you find the documents stating the facts you listed. If you're gonna post data, then you should be able to state which document, and where you can find it....where can you find the "shipped over from England" Bride Ship and a list of their names and who was the highest bidder when they arrived? I have never been able to find a list. Did this Timothy McCord Website state where he got his info? If not, if I were you, I surely would hesitate to repeat the errors. Kind regards, MaryE

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/RKT.2ACIB/1526.1.1.1.1.2.2.1.3.1.1 Message Board Post: Charles Dodson apparenly was a prosperous Tabacco Planter in th North FarhanParrish of Old Rappahannah Co(later became Richmond Co VA) accross theYork River(mccord Family site,Timthy mccord &mccord [email protected] Judith Hagger came over in Bride Ship,Maraige Contract from bride shipe. Charles Dodson was Christen 1650 in Richmond Co, VA. Mother's & Fathers name was listed.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RKT.2ACIB/1526.1.1.1.1.2.2.1.3.1 Message Board Post: No white people lived in the area of old Rappa County during the era you state for the birth of a "Jesse Dodson". There is not a record of a death for a "Jesse Dodson" 1716 in Richmond County. I have searched the North Farnham Church Records, and did not find a "Jesse Dodson" dying 1716. Please state book, chapter and page, etc. for your source of proof for the early Dodson data, where the rest of us can go look. I am talking about pre-Charles Dodson whose will was proven 1705 in Richmond Co., Virginia. This is very important. We need to lay all this to rest. Regards, MaryE

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/RKT.2ACIB/1526.1.1.1.1.2.2.1.4 Message Board Post: Another note, Charles Dodson Sr. B; 1649 Richmond Co VA (formerly Rappanock Co VA)Md: before 1680-1678 in NorthParish Richmond Co, VA D; 06 Feb. 1705 in Richmond Co VA. Md. Ann Dodson Elmore B: 1654/55 in Richmond Co VA Farnham North ParishD; 1 Aug 1715 Richmond Co VA FN: Benjaim Dodson B; 1627 in England . D: before 1719MN: Ann Summs(Sims). B; 1624 in Richmond Co VA. It was said that Peter Elmore was her real father. Second marriage was to John Hill Jr, Md before 3 July 1706, Thats all I have written down.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/RKT.2ACIB/1526.1.1.1.1.2.2.1.3 Message Board Post: One of my reletives is Jesse Dodson, B: Abt 1623, in Rappanock Co.(now Richmond Co. VA. His son Charles Dodson Sr. B: 1649 d: Feb 6, 1704/05. Brother was John Dodson B: 20 May 1652 md FrancesSlacke.Jan 1683/83 in Richmond Co VA ,D: ? thats all I know I know about my 8thG-Uncle

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RKT.2ACIB/1526.1.1.1.1.2.2.1.2.1 Message Board Post: What is your source for these? thanks, Denise (Dotson) Low

I have a William but not a Stephen. Sue Dodson