Caution should forever be in mind...just to clarify, the original thread was not mine, I just chimed in. I have no more of a clue where M222 began than the next...all of the ideas, however are interesting, and I think we need not make any decisions on the matter. There will many theories tested and thrown out. Everyone will have an opinion. As the science changes so will the definitions and the theories, and did the ancients really know any more than we? Who knows? Maybe and maybe not. After all they all thought the sun revolved around the earth which was flat, except for a few who feared they'd be drawn & quartered if they uttered their descent.