Since FTDNA &al are offering testing sales I thought I'd ask advice about further testing. My maternal uncle has tested into M222 - you can see his results on the project page as kit 324585 earliest ancestor Eugene Owen Donnelly. The new FTDNA haplotree page seems to be having some big problems today, so I can't report what it offers. I think I can pull off the tested list if anybody wants to see that. We've combined FTDNA 111 and National Geno 2.0 tests. I was just going to let this sit until the Chromo 2 / Big Y / Full Y craziness settled down but if there's some refinement I can do now that would take advantage of the sale I'd do it. I'm more interested in targeted SNP tests (I don't know much about this part of the L21 space - my own Y DNA is in another subclade of L21). Thanks, ==mwh Michael Helm