I pulled the 111 marker haplotype and compared it to all those I have in a data set of just SNP confirmed results. The group that your haplotype comes closest to is F1265. This is NOT a recommendation to test as I looked at your Geno2 positive result variant list from Geno2 and do not see it; hence it appears that you probably are negative for F1265. I also have copy of the FTDNA new tree recommended SNPs under M222 and compared the entire list to your Geno2 positive variant list...apparently you were negative for all of them if I can trust that list. A word on FTDNA's new haplotree...it is based on Geno2; hence since you have already tested Geno2, any recommended SNP that you would order off that tree most probably you have been tested for already through your Geno2 scan. So forget that haplotree...disregard it altogether. If I were to recommend specific SNPs, none of them would be tested by FTDNA, but by YSEQ, and the cost is less, also, at $25.00 each plus a $5.00 ship charge. The reason why not FTDNA is because with the exception of about 4--6 SNPs that FTDNA single SNP tests for with most of those resulting from Geno2, the rest are tested elsewhere (exceptions DF104, DF105, DF85, DF97). If doing a guess for a recommendation via single snps through YSEQ, I'd order DF105, S588, and DF85. The out lay would be $80.00. That would not be the end of testing though. There has been some chatter in the forums that people ordering SNPs not recommended by the FTDNA tree are being charged the full price of $39.00 rather than the advertised price of $31.00. I checked the advanced testing SNP catalog, and indeed the price being quoted for them is $39.00. I do not know if that is a glitch in their ordering system or what, but since there are complaints being aired, the sale cost doesn't seem to track for SNPs out of the SNP catalog. Since: You have done Geno2 already and FTDNA doesn't have all the Down Stream SNPs for R-M222 that we've been finding very useful, I see your choices are this 1. Test Scotland DNAs Chromo2 Raw Data (cost about $200.00 American). That will test for most of the R-M222 down stream SNPs. 2. Test YSEQ with a rather safe recommendation of the 3 SNPs above (cost $80.00); you would need to do further investigation after that to confirm a present day terminal SNP. Those 3, however, will probably give some direction for other testing and YSEQ sale continues thru Father's Day, June 15; their testing turn around time is generally shorter than FTDNA's although with this sale they may not be a quick as they have been. 3. If you must test with FTDNA, test DF105 and DF85 (they do not offer S588 and you apparently are negative for all the other GENO2 tested SNPs that were down stream of M222 via that scanning array.) (cost for those 2 could be $78.00 unless they've done something about the sale price tracking since the complaints began. I hope this helps. Susan Hedeen On 4/26/2014 7:07 PM, Michael Helm wrote: > Since FTDNA &al are offering testing sales I thought I'd ask advice about > further testing. > > My maternal uncle has tested into M222 - you can see his results on the > project > page as kit 324585 earliest ancestor Eugene Owen Donnelly. > > The new FTDNA haplotree page seems to be having some big problems today, so > I can't report what it offers. I think I can pull off the tested list if > anybody wants to see that. > We've combined FTDNA 111 and National Geno 2.0 tests. > > I was just going to let this sit until the Chromo 2 / Big Y / Full Y > craziness settled down > but if there's some refinement I can do now that would take advantage of > the > sale I'd do it. I'm more interested in targeted SNP tests (I don't know > much about > this part of the L21 space - my own Y DNA is in another subclade of L21). > > Thanks, ==mwh > Michael Helm > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

That's a pretty good summary of my thoughts too. I have someone I am testing at YSEQ, they have gone FGC4077-, S661+ and I am now running S588 and DF85 via the very tempting sale. If they come back negative for both of those, I will turn to the new S660 SNPs. Iain > Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 21:08:02 -0400 > From: chantillycarpets@earthlink.net > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com; cecinit2007@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Advice on further testing > > I pulled the 111 marker haplotype and compared it to all those I have in > a data set of just SNP confirmed results. The group that your haplotype > comes closest to is F1265. This is NOT a recommendation to test as I > looked at your Geno2 positive result variant list from Geno2 and do not > see it; hence it appears that you probably are negative for F1265. > > I also have copy of the FTDNA new tree recommended SNPs under M222 and > compared the entire list to your Geno2 positive variant > list...apparently you were negative for all of them if I can trust that > list. > > A word on FTDNA's new haplotree...it is based on Geno2; hence since you > have already tested Geno2, any recommended SNP that you would order off > that tree most probably you have been tested for already through your > Geno2 scan. So forget that haplotree...disregard it altogether. > > If I were to recommend specific SNPs, none of them would be tested by > FTDNA, but by YSEQ, and the cost is less, also, at $25.00 each plus a > $5.00 ship charge. The reason why not FTDNA is because with the > exception of about 4--6 SNPs that FTDNA single SNP tests for with most > of those resulting from Geno2, the rest are tested elsewhere (exceptions > DF104, DF105, DF85, DF97). > > If doing a guess for a recommendation via single snps through YSEQ, I'd > order DF105, S588, and DF85. The out lay would be $80.00. That would > not be the end of testing though. > > There has been some chatter in the forums that people ordering SNPs not > recommended by the FTDNA tree are being charged the full price of $39.00 > rather than the advertised price of $31.00. I checked the advanced > testing SNP catalog, and indeed the price being quoted for them is > $39.00. I do not know if that is a glitch in their ordering system or > what, but since there are complaints being aired, the sale cost doesn't > seem to track for SNPs out of the SNP catalog. > > Since: You have done Geno2 already and FTDNA doesn't have all the Down > Stream SNPs for R-M222 that we've been finding very useful, I see your > choices are this > > 1. Test Scotland DNAs Chromo2 Raw Data (cost about $200.00 American). > That will test for most of the R-M222 down stream SNPs. > > 2. Test YSEQ with a rather safe recommendation of the 3 SNPs above (cost > $80.00); you would need to do further investigation after that to > confirm a present day terminal SNP. Those 3, however, will probably > give some direction for other testing and YSEQ sale continues thru > Father's Day, June 15; their testing turn around time is generally > shorter than FTDNA's although with this sale they may not be a quick as > they have been. > > 3. If you must test with FTDNA, test DF105 and DF85 (they do not offer > S588 and you apparently are negative for all the other GENO2 tested SNPs > that were down stream of M222 via that scanning array.) (cost for those > 2 could be $78.00 unless they've done something about the sale price > tracking since the complaints began. > > I hope this helps. Susan Hedeen > > > > On 4/26/2014 7:07 PM, Michael Helm wrote: > > Since FTDNA &al are offering testing sales I thought I'd ask advice about > > further testing. > > > > My maternal uncle has tested into M222 - you can see his results on the > > project > > page as kit 324585 earliest ancestor Eugene Owen Donnelly. > > > > The new FTDNA haplotree page seems to be having some big problems today, so > > I can't report what it offers. I think I can pull off the tested list if > > anybody wants to see that. > > We've combined FTDNA 111 and National Geno 2.0 tests. > > > > I was just going to let this sit until the Chromo 2 / Big Y / Full Y > > craziness settled down > > but if there's some refinement I can do now that would take advantage of > > the > > sale I'd do it. I'm more interested in targeted SNP tests (I don't know > > much about > > this part of the L21 space - my own Y DNA is in another subclade of L21). > > > > Thanks, ==mwh > > Michael Helm > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message