David, Mixed findings to report: As I look at your FTDNA SNP summary this morning, I see you positive for CTS12173 with no report for CTS12773. I don't find a positive report for CTS12773 anywhere in the M222 or Wilson surname projects, which are the two I can access. CTS12773 does not appear to be included in the Geno2 chip, which would explain its absence from any Geno2 test results reported by FTDNA. On the other hand, CTS12773 is included in the Chromo2 chip. Jim Wilson's lab reports CTS12773 positive for everyone below Haplogroup I-M253, so every R-M222 individual should be positive for this SNP. I'm not sure what this means in your case, but I will let the FTDNA managers know that CTS12173 is a problem SNP across a number of individuals who were reported to be derived for it. At our current level of knowledge, it appears to be impossible to reconcile observed +/- determinations with a logically consistent ChrY tree. David Wilson -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Maclennan Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 8:29 AM To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] The 24 FTDNA SNPs below M222; Locations proposed for PF3292 and Z70, and rough locations for others. David, can you please check the CTS12773+ status of the others misrepresented as CTS12173+ (I am CTS12773+). We have had at least one case in this forum of typos that caused confusion, so that is a potential explanation of what happened at ftDNA. David ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks David for making the point that CTS12773 is above M222. Angelika kriss had sent me a lineage for some other ordered SNPs above and below M222 as follows: CTS8221 S474 S476 S193 Zs961 R1b-M222 S635 S637 S641 S7073 Does this concur with what you know as an administrator? David On 2014-04-26, 12:44 PM, "David Wilson" <dcw1000@live.com> wrote: >David, > >Mixed findings to report: As I look at your FTDNA SNP summary this >morning, >I see you positive for CTS12173 with no report for CTS12773. I don't find >a >positive report for CTS12773 anywhere in the M222 or Wilson surname >projects, which are the two I can access. CTS12773 does not appear to be >included in the Geno2 chip, which would explain its absence from any Geno2 >test results reported by FTDNA. > >On the other hand, CTS12773 is included in the Chromo2 chip. Jim Wilson's >lab reports CTS12773 positive for everyone below Haplogroup I-M253, so >every >R-M222 individual should be positive for this SNP. > >I'm not sure what this means in your case, but I will let the FTDNA >managers >know that CTS12173 is a problem SNP across a number of individuals who >were >reported to be derived for it. At our current level of knowledge, it >appears >to be impossible to reconcile observed +/- determinations with a logically >consistent ChrY tree. > >David Wilson > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Maclennan >Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 8:29 AM >To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [R-M222] The 24 FTDNA SNPs below M222; Locations proposed for >PF3292 and Z70, and rough locations for others. > >David, can you please check the CTS12773+ status of the others >misrepresented as CTS12173+ (I am CTS12773+). We have had at least one >case >in this forum of typos that caused confusion, so that is a potential >explanation of what happened at ftDNA. > David > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

With one exception, the SNPs that Angi reported to you are either upstream from R-M222 or synonymous with it. At the bottom, the last one (S7073) appears on slim evidence to be underneath M222. There is one individual known who is M222+ but S7073-. Here is graphic from Jim Wilson's lab that shows how these SNPS line up top to bottom and includes a few others not mentioned in your list. This graphic omits CTS8221, but that SNP lies directly above S474/DF49 http://www.kennedydna.com/S474.jpg For the bigger L21 picture, check out this graphic: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17907527/R1b-L21_Tree_Chart.pdf The group that interests us is in light blue on the right. David Wilson -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Maclennan Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:54 AM To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] CTS12173, CTS12773 Thanks David for making the point that CTS12773 is above M222. Angelika kriss had sent me a lineage for some other ordered SNPs above and below M222 as follows: CTS8221 S474 S476 S193 Zs961 R1b-M222 S635 S637 S641 S7073 Does this concur with what you know as an administrator? David On 2014-04-26, 12:44 PM, "David Wilson" <dcw1000@live.com> wrote: >David, > >Mixed findings to report: As I look at your FTDNA SNP summary this >morning, I see you positive for CTS12173 with no report for CTS12773. I >don't find a positive report for CTS12773 anywhere in the M222 or >Wilson surname projects, which are the two I can access. CTS12773 does >not appear to be included in the Geno2 chip, which would explain its >absence from any Geno2 test results reported by FTDNA. > >On the other hand, CTS12773 is included in the Chromo2 chip. Jim >Wilson's lab reports CTS12773 positive for everyone below Haplogroup >I-M253, so every >R-M222 individual should be positive for this SNP. > >I'm not sure what this means in your case, but I will let the FTDNA >managers know that CTS12173 is a problem SNP across a number of >individuals who were reported to be derived for it. At our current >level of knowledge, it appears to be impossible to reconcile observed >+/- determinations with a logically consistent ChrY tree. > >David Wilson > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Maclennan >Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 8:29 AM >To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [R-M222] The 24 FTDNA SNPs below M222; Locations proposed >for >PF3292 and Z70, and rough locations for others. > >David, can you please check the CTS12773+ status of the others >misrepresented as CTS12173+ (I am CTS12773+). We have had at least one >case in this forum of typos that caused confusion, so that is a >potential explanation of what happened at ftDNA. > David > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message