In a message dated 5/24/2011 11:38:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, alexanderpatterson@btinternet.com writes: Secondly, the word Cain actually means Law as in Cain of Adomnain = Law of Adomnan That may be so but O Cathain (whom you match) does not mean law. I don't see the derivation in MacLysaght but I think it means something like warrior. The guy claiming to be the O Cathain used to claim something like that anyway. <I must say I'm amused that McKechnie was quick to dismiss Orcanus as fantasy, I suspect he meant something by that but exactly what it might be is not apparent to me. John John
[That may be so but O Cathain (whom you match) does not mean law.] I'm much closer to those haplotypes within the O'Cathain grouping that bear the surname Cain or variants than I am to those who don't. I understand that three of those grouped as O'Cathain have very well-researched pedigrees that lead back to the 1400's, and indeed link to an Enri O'Cathain. Their modern day surname bears no resemblance to Cain. A comparison between my haplotypes and theirs show GD Off-modal matches A 8 DYS439=13,DYS570=18 B 11 DYS439=13,DYS570=18 C 13 DYS439=13,DYS570=18 My matches to those with modern day surnames of Cain or variants are far more convincing. So I'm not even sure that all of the Cains & variants in the grouping are indeed O'Cathains. I must say I wish full sequencing would hurry along. This guessing business is quite time-consuming. -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lochlan@aol.com Sent: 25 May 2011 06:08 To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] Orcanus In a message dated 5/24/2011 11:38:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, alexanderpatterson@btinternet.com writes: Secondly, the word Cain actually means Law as in Cain of Adomnain = Law of Adomnan That may be so but O Cathain (whom you match) does not mean law. I don't see the derivation in MacLysaght but I think it means something like warrior. The guy claiming to be the O Cathain used to claim something like that anyway. <I must say I'm amused that McKechnie was quick to dismiss Orcanus as fantasy, I suspect he meant something by that but exactly what it might be is not apparent to me. John John R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message