[I think there's no doubt about the name Fearchar. That's a constant in the charters. But wasn't Laumon the son of Malcolm son of Fearchar?] Yes, that was a slip. What I should have said was that we can be pretty certain of Ferchar Malcolm Laumon and descendants. I'm not even sure of Ferchar's father any more, and I think Arthur Dall McGorre needs scrutiny. I see there's a current-day Gaelic poet in Scotland who calls himself Artur Dall Mac Gurcaigh. I think the fellow who wrote the poem about the siege of Castle Suibhe (in the Dean's Book of Lismore) was Arthur Dall McGurcus or something close. -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lochlan@aol.com Sent: 23 May 2011 02:05 To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] Lamont Pedigree In a message dated 5/22/2011 5:37:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, alexanderpatterson@btinternet.com writes: To my mind, we can accept without any doubt that Laumon was the son of Ferchar. That's clear from the Charter about the lands that the Paisley monks were granted use of.