Hi Jerry So what you are saying is that pedigrees compiled by scribes were taken very seriously. But you seem to be saying more than that. You seem to be implying that the faking of a pedigree would have been considered a very serious crime indeed. I think that puts a very different light on the way we should consider the new transcript of manuscript 1467, or indeed any pedigree that would have been subject to Brehon law. Many thanks for that. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Kelly Sent: 23 May 2011 21:11 To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] FW: heroic Gaelic names / word-play With that said, it's unlikely we'll see any word-play in the genealogies. Gaelic law doesn't provide for the Roman concept of "equal treatment under the law." My rights and privileges under Fe/ineachas are different from yours because we have different descent. It's likely that one of us has a higher enechlann / honor-price than the other, and so can outswear the other in court. That could drastically affect our futures, might even cost one of us life. Today, most of us look are looking at these ancient genealogies as a hobby. But for the people who used them, they had the effect of law, they were used constantly in law, and they were a matter of life and death. Best, Jerry