Many thanks, Sandy. But you are right about the aos da/na enjoying puns and word-play. For example, we have Gaelic poems which have come down to us made up of series of homophones - words that sound the same but are spelled differently and have different meanings. If you listen to one of these poems one way, it means one thing. If you listen to it another way, the poem means something completely different all the way through. It depends upon the meaning you take for the first homophone in the poem. This was considered a very advanced art form and was used by the aos da/na to entertain each other. Best, Jerry ________________________________ From: Sandy Paterson <alexanderpatterson@btinternet.com> To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 2:35:10 PM Subject: [R-M222] FW: heroic Gaelic names [But in the context of the underlying discussion (the new transcript of 1467), I'm beginning to wonder whether Domnail in line 27 wasn't perhaps Somerled himself. If so, it means we have to bin at least 6 names in the pedigree to end up with] That theory is blown. The scribe(s) Use Somairle for Somairle. No code, no hidden meanings, no nodanna. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Paterson Sent: 23 May 2011 12:27 To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] heroic Gaelic names Thanks Jerry I assure you that did me no disservive at all. Quite the contrary, you did me a service by kick-starting my sometimes sluggish brain. R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

With that said, it's unlikely we'll see any word-play in the genealogies. Gaelic law doesn't provide for the Roman concept of "equal treatment under the law." My rights and privileges under Fe/ineachas are different from yours because we have different descent. It's likely that one of us has a higher enechlann / honor-price than the other, and so can outswear the other in court. That could drastically affect our futures, might even cost one of us life. Today, most of us look are looking at these ancient genealogies as a hobby. But for the people who used them, they had the effect of law, they were used constantly in law, and they were a matter of life and death. Best, Jerry ________________________________ From: Jerry Kelly <jerrykelly@att.net> To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 2:47:59 PM Subject: Re: [R-M222] FW: heroic Gaelic names / word-play Many thanks, Sandy. But you are right about the aos da/na enjoying puns and word-play. For example, we have Gaelic poems which have come down to us made up of series of homophones - words that sound the same but are spelled differently and have different meanings. If you listen to one of these poems one way, it means one thing. If you listen to it another way, the poem means something completely different all the way through. It depends upon the meaning you take for the first homophone in the poem. This was considered a very advanced art form and was used by the aos da/na to entertain each other. Best, Jerry ________________________________ From: Sandy Paterson <alexanderpatterson@btinternet.com> To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 2:35:10 PM Subject: [R-M222] FW: heroic Gaelic names [But in the context of the underlying discussion (the new transcript of 1467), I'm beginning to wonder whether Domnail in line 27 wasn't perhaps Somerled himself. If so, it means we have to bin at least 6 names in the pedigree to end up with] That theory is blown. The scribe(s) Use Somairle for Somairle. No code, no hidden meanings, no nodanna. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Paterson Sent: 23 May 2011 12:27 To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] heroic Gaelic names Thanks Jerry I assure you that did me no disservive at all. Quite the contrary, you did me a service by kick-starting my sometimes sluggish brain. R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message