Paul/Jerry > I wonder if: Myrkjartan = McCartan > I have no idea why, but I think you're spot on. Can you help me with something? If Mac Giolla Eain = McLean could MacErachar/MacFerchar = McHarg/McHargue If so, that could explain why my Y-STR is so close to McHarg. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Conroy Sent: 26 May 2011 18:00 To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] Icelandic M222 David, Very Interesting. I wonder if: Myrkjartan = McCartan On 23AndMe I have an Icelandic relative! Cheers, Paul On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 12:17 PM, David H. MacLennan < david.maclennan@utoronto.ca> wrote: > > I realize that this forum is about Scots M222 DNA and that is of great > interest to me also. However, I think that everyone would also like to find > a genealogy going back to 900 AD or so that would actually link up with the > Ui Niall. Perhaps the one place in Europe where fairly accurate genealogies > were maintained since that period was in Iceland. My mother was Icelandic > and I have her family tree going back to the settlement times in the late > 800s. > You are certainly all aware that the Vikings who settled Iceland (and > Ireland) had no qualms about bringing Irish slaves back to Iceland and > their > intermingling with the Irish may well have led to Irishmen joining the > Vikings in their escapades willingly. One of the most famous was Melkorka, > an Irish Princess, who was brought as a concubine to Iceland by a powerful > and wealthy Viking named Hoskuldur. She was so pissed off by her captors > and > her captivity that she refused to speak and was believed to be mute. One > day > she was heard singing in the meadow to her children and the truth was out! > She then told them of her heritage and produced a gold token of her > lineage. > Her son "Olaf the Peacock", was the handsomest man in Iceland and, > obviously, a member of a powerful line. As a Viking, he made his way back > to > Ireland and met his grandfather, Myrkjartan. Ólaf was accepted by > Myrkjartan, who even offered to make him his heir. However, Ólaf returned > to > Iceland. This history is in the Laxdaela Saga of Snorri Sturlasson, written > in the 1200s. > The point I wish to make is that Icelandic carriers of the M222 > haplotype might have a lineage that could be traced accurately back to the > settlement of Iceland before 900 AD. The question would then be whether a > connection could be made back to an Irish family, as was done in the case > of > Melkorka. Has anyone made a serious investigation of Icelandic M222 > individuals and their genalogy? > Incidentally, I can trace my own lineage back to Melkorka and might even > carry a few percent of her autosomal DNA. > David > > -- > Dr. David H. MacLennan, > Banting and Best Department of Medical Research, > University of Toronto, Charles H. Best Institute, > 112 College St., Toronto, Ontario, Canada M5G1L6 > Tel:1-416-978-5008 Fax:1-416-978-8528 > http://www.utoronto.ca/maclennan > > > > From: <Lochlan@aol.com> > > Reply-To: <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > > Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 18:51:11 EDT > > To: <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: [R-M222] M222 Files > > > > I'm going to pass along an email I received from one of the admins. of > the > > L21 Project. The links given require a Yahoo ID and password to view > > them. So far I haven't been able to remember my old Yahoo password so I > > haven't been able to look at them yet myself. > > > > Dear John and David, > > > > Please invite the M222 project members to access this and comment on > this > > this file which includes them. > > > > M222 is a key part of L21 and I've developed a spreadsheet based system > to > > download L21+ haplotypes, including M222+, from multiple FTDNA projects. > I > > maintain post the spreadsheet file at the web site and Yahoo Group > listed > > below for all who are interested. > > > > I attempt to designate "speculative" clusters or deep ancestral > varieties > > for everyone in the file. I need help on this so would appreciate any > > commentary from M222 folks. I also try to look up the Ysearch IDs and > insert > > the > > correct MDKA info and categorize by geography (down to the > > county/department/shire level) so statisical analysis can be done easily > by > > geography. > > > > Regards, > > Mike Walsh > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: > > <_RL21Project@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:RL21Project@yahoogroups.com) > > > Date: Tue, May 24, 2011 at 6:59 PM > > Subject: [RL21Project] New file uploaded to RL21Project > > > > > > > > > > This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been > > uploaded to the Files area of the RL21Project > > group. > > > > File : /R-L21All_Haplotypes.zip > > Uploaded by : mikewww7 <_mwwdna@gmail.com_ (mailto:mwwdna@gmail.com) > > > Description : R-L21+ Confirmed and Suspected Haplotypes including M222 > and > > all subclades with latest downstream SNP results. 2011-05-24 version - > > M.Walsh > > > > You can access this file at the URL: > > _ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RL21Project/files/R-L21All_Haplotypes.zip_ > > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RL21Project/files/R-L21All_Haplotypes.zip > ) > > > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > > _ > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html_ > > (http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html > ) > > To join the R-L21 Yahoo group and get access to the files go to > > _http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RL21Project/join > > _ ( > http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html) > > Regards, > > R-L21 Plus Project Co-Admin > > > > > > > > > > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
So is there any record in Ireland of a chieftain named McCartan around 900-950 AD? David -- Dr. David H. MacLennan, Banting and Best Department of Medical Research, University of Toronto, Charles H. Best Institute, 112 College St., Toronto, Ontario, Canada M5G1L6 Tel:1-416-978-5008 Fax:1-416-978-8528 http://www.utoronto.ca/maclennan > From: Sandy Paterson <alexanderpatterson@btinternet.com> > Reply-To: <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 06:41:39 +0100 > To: <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Icelandic M222 > > Paul/Jerry > >> > I wonder if: > Myrkjartan = McCartan >> > > > I have no idea why, but I think you're spot on. > > > Can you help me with something? > > If Mac Giolla Eain = McLean > > could > > MacErachar/MacFerchar = McHarg/McHargue > > > If so, that could explain why my Y-STR is so close to McHarg. > > > Sandy > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Conroy > Sent: 26 May 2011 18:00 > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Icelandic M222 > > David, > > Very Interesting. > > I wonder if: > Myrkjartan = McCartan > > On 23AndMe I have an Icelandic relative! > > Cheers, > Paul > > On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 12:17 PM, David H. MacLennan < > david.maclennan@utoronto.ca> wrote: > >> >> I realize that this forum is about Scots M222 DNA and that is of great >> interest to me also. However, I think that everyone would also like to > find >> a genealogy going back to 900 AD or so that would actually link up with > the >> Ui Niall. Perhaps the one place in Europe where fairly accurate > genealogies >> were maintained since that period was in Iceland. My mother was Icelandic >> and I have her family tree going back to the settlement times in the late >> 800s. >> You are certainly all aware that the Vikings who settled Iceland (and >> Ireland) had no qualms about bringing Irish slaves back to Iceland and >> their >> intermingling with the Irish may well have led to Irishmen joining the >> Vikings in their escapades willingly. One of the most famous was Melkorka, >> an Irish Princess, who was brought as a concubine to Iceland by a powerful >> and wealthy Viking named Hoskuldur. She was so pissed off by her captors >> and >> her captivity that she refused to speak and was believed to be mute. One >> day >> she was heard singing in the meadow to her children and the truth was out! >> She then told them of her heritage and produced a gold token of her >> lineage. >> Her son "Olaf the Peacock", was the handsomest man in Iceland and, >> obviously, a member of a powerful line. As a Viking, he made his way back >> to >> Ireland and met his grandfather, Myrkjartan. Ólaf was accepted by >> Myrkjartan, who even offered to make him his heir. However, Ólaf returned >> to >> Iceland. This history is in the Laxdaela Saga of Snorri Sturlasson, > written >> in the 1200s. >> The point I wish to make is that Icelandic carriers of the M222 >> haplotype might have a lineage that could be traced accurately back to the >> settlement of Iceland before 900 AD. The question would then be whether a >> connection could be made back to an Irish family, as was done in the case >> of >> Melkorka. Has anyone made a serious investigation of Icelandic M222 >> individuals and their genalogy? >> Incidentally, I can trace my own lineage back to Melkorka and might > even >> carry a few percent of her autosomal DNA. >> David >> >> -- >> Dr. David H. MacLennan, >> Banting and Best Department of Medical Research, >> University of Toronto, Charles H. Best Institute, >> 112 College St., Toronto, Ontario, Canada M5G1L6 >> Tel:1-416-978-5008 Fax:1-416-978-8528 >> http://www.utoronto.ca/maclennan >> >> >>> From: <Lochlan@aol.com> >>> Reply-To: <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> >>> Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 18:51:11 EDT >>> To: <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: [R-M222] M222 Files >>> >>> I'm going to pass along an email I received from one of the admins. of >> the >>> L21 Project. The links given require a Yahoo ID and password to view >>> them. So far I haven't been able to remember my old Yahoo password so I >>> haven't been able to look at them yet myself. >>> >>> Dear John and David, >>> >>> Please invite the M222 project members to access this and comment on >> this >>> this file which includes them. >>> >>> M222 is a key part of L21 and I've developed a spreadsheet based system >> to >>> download L21+ haplotypes, including M222+, from multiple FTDNA > projects. >> I >>> maintain post the spreadsheet file at the web site and Yahoo Group >> listed >>> below for all who are interested. >>> >>> I attempt to designate "speculative" clusters or deep ancestral >> varieties >>> for everyone in the file. I need help on this so would appreciate any >>> commentary from M222 folks. I also try to look up the Ysearch IDs and >> insert >>> the >>> correct MDKA info and categorize by geography (down to the >>> county/department/shire level) so statisical analysis can be done easily >> by >>> geography. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Mike Walsh >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: >>> <_RL21Project@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:RL21Project@yahoogroups.com) > >>> Date: Tue, May 24, 2011 at 6:59 PM >>> Subject: [RL21Project] New file uploaded to RL21Project >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has > been >>> uploaded to the Files area of the RL21Project >>> group. >>> >>> File : /R-L21All_Haplotypes.zip >>> Uploaded by : mikewww7 <_mwwdna@gmail.com_ (mailto:mwwdna@gmail.com) > >>> Description : R-L21+ Confirmed and Suspected Haplotypes including M222 >> and >>> all subclades with latest downstream SNP results. 2011-05-24 version - >>> M.Walsh >>> >>> You can access this file at the URL: >>> _ >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RL21Project/files/R-L21All_Haplotypes.zip_ >>> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RL21Project/files/R-L21All_Haplotypes.zip >> ) >>> >>> To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: >>> _ >> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html_ >>> (http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html >> ) >>> To join the R-L21 Yahoo group and get access to the files go to >>> _http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RL21Project/join >>> _ ( >> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html) >>> Regards, >>> R-L21 Plus Project Co-Admin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> R1b1c7 Research and Links: >>> >>> http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> R1b1c7 Research and Links: >> >> http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message