The pedigree in the new translation of MS 1467 is identical to that given by McKechnie on page 46 of 'The Lamont Clan, 1235-1935' except that he too has it leading back to Niall Glundubh. Here it is http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2733445/McK46.png If we take 13 generations at 30 years, with Ladmannh born before 1235 and having died before 1295 we get 1235-1295 minus 390 which gives 845-905. That makes Niall Glundubh plausible I guess. Sandy

However, Orcanus wasn't Orcanus. He was O'Cainus, misspelt by Sir James Lamont in 1661 (or perhaps mistranscribed by someone later). And given that 'Cain' means 'law', established by a combination of royal and ecclesiastical authority we now have to guess whether Nial Glundubh is a better candidate for Gille Dubh's father than a black-haired abbot. The one was royal (I think) and the other was ecclesiastical. My money is on the abbot but I await developments with great interest. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Paterson Sent: 17 May 2011 09:55 To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] Nigello The pedigree in the new translation of MS 1467 is identical to that given by McKechnie on page 46 of 'The Lamont Clan, 1235-1935' except that he too has it leading back to Niall Glundubh. Here it is http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2733445/McK46.png If we take 13 generations at 30 years, with Ladmannh born before 1235 and having died before 1295 we get 1235-1295 minus 390 which gives 845-905. That makes Niall Glundubh plausible I guess. Sandy R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message