The Ua Brolcha/in descend from Suibhne Menn, King of Ireland in the 7th Century. Suibhne Menn was of the Cine/al Eoghain, not the Cine/al Chonaill. So here's an example of an exception to the typical Cine/al Chonaill succession in a Columban house. Odd, though, that Ua Brolcha/in's succession was opposed by his own Cine/al Eoghain. Would have thought they'd be delighted. Best, Jerry Cló an Druaidh / The Druid Presswww.druidpress.com ________________________________ From: Sandy Paterson <equisand@equiformratings.com> To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, May 17, 2011 12:54:12 PM Subject: Re: [R-M222] Iona - MacGuilaDuibh ancestors to the Lamonts? [U1164.2: Select members of the Community of Ia, namely, the arch-priest, Augustin and the lector (that is, Dubsidhe) and the Eremite, Mac Gilla-duib and the Head of the Celi-De, namely, Mac Forcellaigh and select members of the Community of Ia besides came on behalf of the successor of Colum-cille, namely, Flaithbertach Ua Brolchain's acceptance of the abbacy of Ia, by advice of Somharlidh and of the Men of Airthir-Gaedhel and of Insi-Gall; but the successor of Patrick and the king of Ireland, that is, Ua Lochlainn and the nobles of Cenel-Eogain prevented him.] So Ia is Iona. Augustin is the arch-priest Dubsidhe is the lector Mac Gilla-duib is the Eremite Mac Forcellaigh is the Head of the Celi-De Can you help with Eremite? To me this means that, totally independently of the new transcript of MS 1467, the Annals identify a Mac Gilla-duib with Iona and its inhabitants. There could of course have been more than one Gilla-duib. And of course this is in 1164, whereas Sir James spoke of Orcanus having lived around A.D. 900. So this means that Mac Gille Dubh would have to have become a patrynomic surname within two generations of Neill guirm. Were patronyms in use in Iona by then? If so, I'd say that Neill guarm the abbot must surely be a more likely candidate than Niall Glundubh for Lamont ancestry, which was my gut feeling anyway. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Morgan Sent: 17 May 2011 16:59 To: dna-r1b1c7 Subject: [R-M222] Iona - MacGuilaDuibh ancestors to the Lamonts? > "...Orcanus, Laird of Lamount, quha livet about the nyn hundredth > zeir of oure Lord." The 1661 charter begins by Sir James Lamont saying "John M'Gilligowie in Castletoune in the Brae of Mar, and Donald Mclzegowie servitour to Sir David Ogilvie, sone to the Earle of Airlie, and all the name of M'llzeguies, ar my trew native kindlie people and kinsmen" and that they descend from one of his predecessors who was called by the nickname "Gillidow". So the they are the MacGillidowie. MS1450 tells us of Murachaidh i gilladub, i.e. Muireachaidh nikcnamed Gilladubh, the son of Neill guirm abbot of Iona. Black - in his "Surnames of Scotland" under MacIldowie (MacGillaDuibh) tells of Macgilladubh the Hermit of Iona recorded in 1164. U1164.2: Select members of the Community of Ia, namely, the arch-priest, Augustin and the lector (that is, Dubsidhe) and the Eremite, Mac Gilla-duib and the Head of the Celi-De, namely, Mac Forcellaigh and select members of the Community of Ia besides came on behalf of the successor of Colum-cille, namely, Flaithbertach Ua Brolchain's acceptance of the abbacy of Ia, by advice of Somharlidh and of the Men of Airthir-Gaedhel and of Insi-Gall; but the successor of Patrick and the king of Ireland, that is, Ua Lochlainn and the nobles of Cenel-Eogain prevented him. R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"Between the years 1275 and 1294 David of Innerlunan, with the consent of Gillicrist Macgilliduff, quit-claimed to the monks of Beauly his land of Ouchterwaddale (or Onachtervadal) extending to a half davach, which he held on lease from Gillicrist, who granted the land to the monks." There are question as to who this Gillicrist was, however none suggest that Gilladuibh was his literal father. The location is in the Firth of Forth, the other end the Great Glen from Iona. (John son of Christain appears later, c1307.)

Just curious if one of the modern versions of Gillicrist, Gilchrist etc could be Kilcrease. That is my grandson's surname. Perhaps I'll get the young lad tested, his family says they are Scots. Regards, Steve > From: bernardmorgan@hotmail.com > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 03:10:17 +0000 > Subject: Re: [R-M222] Iona - MacGuilaDuibh ancestors to the Lamonts? > > > > "Between the years 1275 and 1294 David of Innerlunan, with the consent of Gillicrist Macgilliduff, quit-claimed to the monks of Beauly his land of Ouchterwaddale (or Onachtervadal) extending to a half davach, which he held on lease from Gillicrist, who granted the land to the monks." > > There are question as to who this Gillicrist was, however none suggest that Gilladuibh was his literal father. The location is in the Firth of Forth, the other end the Great Glen from Iona. > > (John son of Christain appears later, c1307.) > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hief Here is a full list of MacGilleDuibh from Black's work under MacIldownie i.e. Mac Gille Duibh 1164 Macgilladuibh the Hermit of Iona 1242-1249 Nigel Mackegilduf witness to the quitclaim of Walter Campania of the lands of Dunduff in the parish of Maybole (founded by Duncan of Carrick) to the abbey of Melrose (in the reign of Alexander II) - what is the relation to the local O'Casduff 1275 Gillicrist Macgilliduff - consented to a quit-claim of the lands of Auchterwaddale to Priory of beauly, b'n 1461 Gilbert McIiduf - possessed a tenement in Dumfries, 1502 Doull MacGilleduf - a victim of the first hership of Petty, and mentioned in "A Genealogical Deduction of the Family of Rose of Kilravock" also McKeldowie (an example of Gilla becoming Kil as raise by Steve) - recorded Lochaber 1616, & Edinburgh 1697 John M' Ilduff - tenent Bordland 1642 Duncan M'Ildoui - tenent at Larichvain in parish of Inshaell, 1686 John Macgildhui - of Casteltoune, Kindrochit was appointed a church elder in 1701, in 1705 he became "apostate to popery". Black Under MacIldue - G. Mac Gille dhuibh (and may be a distortion of Mac Domhnaill Duibh??) mentions: Six M'lldeus from Appin are included in the list of those engaged in the '45 Macilduy is not uncommon in the southwest of Perthshire, where there is still a small group of Macilduys known as Clandaindouey (Clann an duibh). The name also occurred in the island of Gometra (the island was a possession of the Iona). McKeldowie 1616, Mc- illiduy 1715. "Black also notes that the Black surname appears as Mac Gille dhuibh, or 'son of the black lad,' which is Anglicized to Macilduy and Macildowie (1962, 78). " I also find: 1609 Neill Macilduy, a follower of Maclean of Dowart 1640's Walter Scot in "A legend of the wars of Montrose" refers to a messenger MacIlduy, While Henry Guthrie in his memoir (1702) names him as Allan MacIldowie of Lochaber While the 1592 Allane M'Kildowie is a Cameroon Chief and from the 1429 chief Domhnaill Duibh. The idea I read is that his surname is from Mac Coill Duibh. In 1600 it is written Allane Camrone M'Ouildowy. The Cameroon seem to have a confused history and also described as a confederacy of families.