I'm going to pass along an email I received from one of the admins. of the L21 Project. The links given require a Yahoo ID and password to view them. So far I haven't been able to remember my old Yahoo password so I haven't been able to look at them yet myself. Dear John and David, Please invite the M222 project members to access this and comment on this this file which includes them. M222 is a key part of L21 and I've developed a spreadsheet based system to download L21+ haplotypes, including M222+, from multiple FTDNA projects. I maintain post the spreadsheet file at the web site and Yahoo Group listed below for all who are interested. I attempt to designate "speculative" clusters or deep ancestral varieties for everyone in the file. I need help on this so would appreciate any commentary from M222 folks. I also try to look up the Ysearch IDs and insert the correct MDKA info and categorize by geography (down to the county/department/shire level) so statisical analysis can be done easily by geography. Regards, Mike Walsh ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <_RL21Project@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:RL21Project@yahoogroups.com) > Date: Tue, May 24, 2011 at 6:59 PM Subject: [RL21Project] New file uploaded to RL21Project This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the RL21Project group. File : /R-L21All_Haplotypes.zip Uploaded by : mikewww7 <_mwwdna@gmail.com_ (mailto:mwwdna@gmail.com) > Description : R-L21+ Confirmed and Suspected Haplotypes including M222 and all subclades with latest downstream SNP results. 2011-05-24 version - M.Walsh You can access this file at the URL: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RL21Project/files/R-L21All_Haplotypes.zip_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RL21Project/files/R-L21All_Haplotypes.zip) To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: _http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html_ (http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html) To join the R-L21 Yahoo group and get access to the files go to _http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RL21Project/join _ (http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html) Regards, R-L21 Plus Project Co-Admin

HI JOHN: SOUNDS LIKE SOME GOOD NEWE. BEING COMPUTER CHALENGED TO THE 100TH DEGREE, I WOULD APPRECIATE FURTHER COACHING: I BELIEVE I'M ON THE CURRENT FTDNA L-21+ (OR SHOULD BE). IN ORDER TO VIEW THIS NEW L-21+ RESOURCE AT YAHOO, IS ALL I HAVE TO DO IS OBTAIN A YAHOO PASSWORD, OR TRY TO FIND MY OLD PASSWORD, IF INDEED I HAVE ONE & HAVE FORGOTTEN IT? THANKS, DON M -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lochlan@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 3:51 PM To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: [R-M222] M222 Files I'm going to pass along an email I received from one of the admins. of the L21 Project. The links given require a Yahoo ID and password to view them. So far I haven't been able to remember my old Yahoo password so I haven't been able to look at them yet myself. Dear John and David, Please invite the M222 project members to access this and comment on this this file which includes them. M222 is a key part of L21 and I've developed a spreadsheet based system to download L21+ haplotypes, including M222+, from multiple FTDNA projects. I maintain post the spreadsheet file at the web site and Yahoo Group listed below for all who are interested. I attempt to designate "speculative" clusters or deep ancestral varieties for everyone in the file. I need help on this so would appreciate any commentary from M222 folks. I also try to look up the Ysearch IDs and insert the correct MDKA info and categorize by geography (down to the county/department/shire level) so statisical analysis can be done easily by geography. Regards, Mike Walsh ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <_RL21Project@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:RL21Project@yahoogroups.com) > Date: Tue, May 24, 2011 at 6:59 PM Subject: [RL21Project] New file uploaded to RL21Project This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the RL21Project group. File : /R-L21All_Haplotypes.zip Uploaded by : mikewww7 <_mwwdna@gmail.com_ (mailto:mwwdna@gmail.com) > Description : R-L21+ Confirmed and Suspected Haplotypes including M222 and all subclades with latest downstream SNP results. 2011-05-24 version - M.Walsh You can access this file at the URL: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RL21Project/files/R-L21All_Haplotypes.zip_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RL21Project/files/R-L21All_Haplotypes.zip) To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: _http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html_ (http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html) To join the R-L21 Yahoo group and get access to the files go to _http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RL21Project/join _ (http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html) Regards, R-L21 Plus Project Co-Admin R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found my old Yahoo details and got as far as a page from which you have to Activate Web Access. On that page you are required to enter the e-mail address that currently receives messages from the group RL21 project. So it seems you first have to join the RL21 project before you can activate access. The idea looks interesting and it just may be worth going through the pain of having to drag something out of memory and going through the process of joining the RL21 project. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lochlan@aol.com Sent: 25 May 2011 23:51 To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: [R-M222] M222 Files I'm going to pass along an email I received from one of the admins. of the L21 Project. The links given require a Yahoo ID and password to view them. So far I haven't been able to remember my old Yahoo password so I haven't been able to look at them yet myself. Dear John and David, Please invite the M222 project members to access this and comment on this this file which includes them. M222 is a key part of L21 and I've developed a spreadsheet based system to download L21+ haplotypes, including M222+, from multiple FTDNA projects. I maintain post the spreadsheet file at the web site and Yahoo Group listed below for all who are interested. I attempt to designate "speculative" clusters or deep ancestral varieties for everyone in the file. I need help on this so would appreciate any commentary from M222 folks. I also try to look up the Ysearch IDs and insert the correct MDKA info and categorize by geography (down to the county/department/shire level) so statisical analysis can be done easily by geography. Regards, Mike Walsh ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <_RL21Project@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:RL21Project@yahoogroups.com) > Date: Tue, May 24, 2011 at 6:59 PM Subject: [RL21Project] New file uploaded to RL21Project This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the RL21Project group. File : /R-L21All_Haplotypes.zip Uploaded by : mikewww7 <_mwwdna@gmail.com_ (mailto:mwwdna@gmail.com) > Description : R-L21+ Confirmed and Suspected Haplotypes including M222 and all subclades with latest downstream SNP results. 2011-05-24 version - M.Walsh You can access this file at the URL: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RL21Project/files/R-L21All_Haplotypes.zip_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RL21Project/files/R-L21All_Haplotypes.zip) To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: _http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html_ (http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html) To join the R-L21 Yahoo group and get access to the files go to _http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RL21Project/join _ (http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html) Regards, R-L21 Plus Project Co-Admin R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I realize that this forum is about Scots M222 DNA and that is of great interest to me also. However, I think that everyone would also like to find a genealogy going back to 900 AD or so that would actually link up with the Ui Niall. Perhaps the one place in Europe where fairly accurate genealogies were maintained since that period was in Iceland. My mother was Icelandic and I have her family tree going back to the settlement times in the late 800s. You are certainly all aware that the Vikings who settled Iceland (and Ireland) had no qualms about bringing Irish slaves back to Iceland and their intermingling with the Irish may well have led to Irishmen joining the Vikings in their escapades willingly. One of the most famous was Melkorka, an Irish Princess, who was brought as a concubine to Iceland by a powerful and wealthy Viking named Hoskuldur. She was so pissed off by her captors and her captivity that she refused to speak and was believed to be mute. One day she was heard singing in the meadow to her children and the truth was out! She then told them of her heritage and produced a gold token of her lineage. Her son "Olaf the Peacock", was the handsomest man in Iceland and, obviously, a member of a powerful line. As a Viking, he made his way back to Ireland and met his grandfather, Myrkjartan. Ólaf was accepted by Myrkjartan, who even offered to make him his heir. However, Ólaf returned to Iceland. This history is in the Laxdaela Saga of Snorri Sturlasson, written in the 1200s. The point I wish to make is that Icelandic carriers of the M222 haplotype might have a lineage that could be traced accurately back to the settlement of Iceland before 900 AD. The question would then be whether a connection could be made back to an Irish family, as was done in the case of Melkorka. Has anyone made a serious investigation of Icelandic M222 individuals and their genalogy? Incidentally, I can trace my own lineage back to Melkorka and might even carry a few percent of her autosomal DNA. David -- Dr. David H. MacLennan, Banting and Best Department of Medical Research, University of Toronto, Charles H. Best Institute, 112 College St., Toronto, Ontario, Canada M5G1L6 Tel:1-416-978-5008 Fax:1-416-978-8528 http://www.utoronto.ca/maclennan > From: <Lochlan@aol.com> > Reply-To: <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 18:51:11 EDT > To: <dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [R-M222] M222 Files > > I'm going to pass along an email I received from one of the admins. of the > L21 Project. The links given require a Yahoo ID and password to view > them. So far I haven't been able to remember my old Yahoo password so I > haven't been able to look at them yet myself. > > Dear John and David, > > Please invite the M222 project members to access this and comment on this > this file which includes them. > > M222 is a key part of L21 and I've developed a spreadsheet based system to > download L21+ haplotypes, including M222+, from multiple FTDNA projects. I > maintain post the spreadsheet file at the web site and Yahoo Group listed > below for all who are interested. > > I attempt to designate "speculative" clusters or deep ancestral varieties > for everyone in the file. I need help on this so would appreciate any > commentary from M222 folks. I also try to look up the Ysearch IDs and insert > the > correct MDKA info and categorize by geography (down to the > county/department/shire level) so statisical analysis can be done easily by > geography. > > Regards, > Mike Walsh > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: > <_RL21Project@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:RL21Project@yahoogroups.com) > > Date: Tue, May 24, 2011 at 6:59 PM > Subject: [RL21Project] New file uploaded to RL21Project > > > > > This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been > uploaded to the Files area of the RL21Project > group. > > File : /R-L21All_Haplotypes.zip > Uploaded by : mikewww7 <_mwwdna@gmail.com_ (mailto:mwwdna@gmail.com) > > Description : R-L21+ Confirmed and Suspected Haplotypes including M222 and > all subclades with latest downstream SNP results. 2011-05-24 version - > M.Walsh > > You can access this file at the URL: > _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RL21Project/files/R-L21All_Haplotypes.zip_ > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RL21Project/files/R-L21All_Haplotypes.zip) > > To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: > _http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html_ > (http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html) > To join the R-L21 Yahoo group and get access to the files go to > _http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RL21Project/join > _ (http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html) > Regards, > R-L21 Plus Project Co-Admin > > > > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Is anybody else finding that YSearch is getting clunkier? It generates lists in a different order from FTDNA It doesn't accommodate all the 111 markers. It doesn't seem to be accepting updates. A further question: I have two records of M222 results at DYS463=22 by Ancestry. One of them has just come back as 24 by FT. YSearch shows no requirement for conversion in this case. Has anybody else noticed this? David Grierson