[I did talk to Barra about some of his theories. He has a cluster in Argyllshire somewhere he has identified as descended from one of the known Maclachlan branches. The DNA in question is not M222. When I look for matches in our McLaughlin project I don't see any. I has to put the question on hold for the time being.] The sequence of events has come back to me. I knew Barra was working on what he calls primary source records. I remembered reading that a McLachlain chief in the late 15th century had no legitimate male issue but succession often went to a nephew in that case and the article that I read didn't rule out that possibility. So I asked Barra about it. He pointed out that a document in the Lamont Papers was evidence of a daughtering out. It was a document that gave names in the form A McB VcD VcE Laughlain was one of A,B,C or D. From this, Barra was able to conclude that a daughtering out had occurred. Even accepting this though, I think the possibility of a nephew succeeding is still there but I haven't discussed this with Barra. By 1704 there were still plenty prominent McLauchlains in Argyllshire, but of course if a full daughtering out had occurred, that wouldn't necessarily have affected the number of people bearing the McLauchlain surname. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lochlan@aol.com Sent: 16 May 2011 23:30 To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] MS 1450 new transcription In a message dated 5/16/2011 3:56:11 A.M. Central Daylight Time, equisand@equiformratings.com writes: Barra McCain is digging quite deeply into record evidence. He found something in The Lamont Papers that I think has led him to believe that the Argyllshire McLauchlane chiefly line daughtered out in the late 15th century. It may be worth your while contacting him in this regard. I did talk to Barra about some of his theories. He has a cluster in Argyllshire somewhere he has identified as descended from one of the known Maclachlan branches. The DNA in question is not M222. When I look for matches in our McLaughlin project I don't see any. I has to put the question on hold for the time being. John R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message