[All that tells me is that somewhere in the pedigree or ancestry of the Lamonts, if true, there should be an Orcanus who had a son nicknamed Gille dubh. He also says this was about 900 AD.] I agree. That's all we know. But I'm happy that Orcanus was O'Cainus. I haven't found him yet. I remember you once describing me as a sitter (or something close) for O'Cathain. I don't think so. O'Cainus, yes. O'Cathain, no, unless Orcanus/O'Cainus was O'Cathain, and without being able to explain why, I sense Southern Ui Neill, not Northern. And remember, CAIN = LAW McCain and Lamont are linked somehow, I just don't know how. [Notice he says nickname. If that's true he could be known by another name in Lamont history, the same way Aodh Alainn is called Buirche. But that will get you nowhere unless you can discover who the Orcanus was. The 900 AD. date is a big puzzle. That was long before the time of Fearchar or Laumun. I know of nothing like Orcanus in the pedigree of the O'Neills. I don't doubt he's quoting some kind of tradition here. But I know of nothing to tie it into.] I agree, I need to find Orcanus/O'Cainus, and yes A.D. 900 worries me a little. -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lochlan@aol.com Sent: 23 May 2011 02:05 To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] Lamont Pedigree In a message dated 5/22/2011 5:37:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, alexanderpatterson@btinternet.com writes: