My family is African American. My dad's DNA profile and close matches on Ancestry indicate a male ancestor from Europe, possibly Ireland. Our research to date only goes back to the 1870 census. My father (William Smith) was born in Georgetown, Kentucky in 1930. My Grandfather, Thomas Horace Smith was born in Lexington, Kentucky in 1882 and died in 1970. My Great-Grandfather (Phil or Phillip Smith) is on the 1870 census in Lexington, Kentucky. I believe he is also on the 1880 census in Lexington and I have a death record of a Phillip Smith who died in Lexington 11/11/1896. Does anyone have advice on how to make the leap from what we know to where the DNA trail is leading? Anyone out there with the same or similar DNA results? I have found one family who owned slaves in Virginia who Ancestry says we have a common ancestor within 9 generations. Our closest match is to a Carrigan family, originally from Ireland, but we have no idea how the paths of our families might have crossed in the past. We are seeking to make contact with everyone within 10 generations on my dad's Ancestry DNA report. All advice is greatly appreciated. I have included my father's DNA results in this post. Thanks, Daryl DYS19a 14 DYS19b - DYS385a 11 DYS385b 13 DYS388 12 DYS389I 13 DYS389II 29 DYS390 25 DYS391 11 DYS392 14 DYS393 13 DYS426 12 DYS437 15 DYS438 12 DYS439 12 DYS441 14 DYS442 17 DYS444 12 DYS445 12 DYS446 13 DYS447 25 DYS448 18 DYS449 31 DYS452 30 DYS454 11 DYS455 11 DYS456 17 DYS458 16 DYS459a 9 DYS459b 10 DYS460 11 DYS461 12 DYS462 11 DYS463 24 DYS464a 15 DYS464b 16 DYS464c 16 DYS464d 16 DYS464e - DYS464f - GGAAT1B07 10 YCAIIa 19 YCAIIb 23 Y-GATA-A10 15 DYS635 23 Y-GATA-H4 12

Daryl, I looked at some sources and found a Phillip Smith who deceased 11-10-1896 at Fayette age 51 . Is he your Phillip ? I also found a Phill Smith in 1870 census at Smith Mills age 25 , wife Martha age 22 , dau. Marg. age 3, son Harrison age 2, and son George age 7 mos. . Might that be him . I can't seem to find your Thomas Horace . Except death record of 9-5-1970 age 88. A match within 9 generations is quite large so I think working the paper trail back might prove to be better. What is the match , how many markers tested and how many match ? Since you identify as African American and The Smiths I found , state or enumerator states Colored or Black then you are likely thinking of an NPE , because of slavery issue . Since there were not too many people of Irish heritage in Kentucky being slave holders in the early 1800s I would tend to rule that out . Yet many things can happen . Do you know any more about the Carrigans ? Does your father have recollections of family stories that may be helpful ? You may want to consider the Family Tree DNA , new Family Finder test . A little costly at $289.00 but revealing all cousins for about 6 generations back , both maternal and fraternal . Dan Jenkins > From: darylwsmith@hotmail.com > To: DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 13:54:41 -0400 > Subject: [R-M222] DNA Mystery > > My family is African American. My dad's DNA profile and close matches on > Ancestry indicate a male ancestor from Europe, possibly Ireland. Our > research to date only goes back to the 1870 census. My father (William > Smith) was born in Georgetown, Kentucky in 1930. My Grandfather, Thomas > Horace Smith was born in Lexington, Kentucky in 1882 and died in 1970. My > Great-Grandfather (Phil or Phillip Smith) is on the 1870 census in > Lexington, Kentucky. I believe he is also on the 1880 census in Lexington > and I have a death record of a Phillip Smith who died in Lexington > 11/11/1896. Does anyone have advice on how to make the leap from what we > know to where the DNA trail is leading? Anyone out there with the same or > similar DNA results? I have found one family who owned slaves in Virginia > who Ancestry says we have a common ancestor within 9 generations. Our > closest match is to a Carrigan family, originally from Ireland, but we have > no idea how the paths of our families might have crossed in the past. We > are seeking to make contact with everyone within 10 generations on my dad's > Ancestry DNA report. > > > > All advice is greatly appreciated. I have included my father's DNA results > in this post. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Daryl > > > > DYS19a 14 > > DYS19b - > > DYS385a 11 > > DYS385b 13 > > DYS388 12 > > DYS389I 13 > > DYS389II 29 > > DYS390 25 > > DYS391 11 > > DYS392 14 > > DYS393 13 > > DYS426 12 > > DYS437 15 > > DYS438 12 > > DYS439 12 > > DYS441 14 > > DYS442 17 > > DYS444 12 > > DYS445 12 > > DYS446 13 > > DYS447 25 > > DYS448 18 > > DYS449 31 > > DYS452 30 > > DYS454 11 > > DYS455 11 > > DYS456 17 > > DYS458 16 > > DYS459a 9 > > DYS459b 10 > > DYS460 11 > > DYS461 12 > > DYS462 11 > > DYS463 24 > > DYS464a 15 > > DYS464b 16 > > DYS464c 16 > > DYS464d 16 > > DYS464e - > > DYS464f - > > GGAAT1B07 10 > > YCAIIa 19 > > YCAIIb 23 > > Y-GATA-A10 15 > > DYS635 23 > > Y-GATA-H4 12 > > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a copy of Phillip Smith's death certificate. I believe it is the right person. My Phillip is on the 1870 census with a family including Rosanna, Thomas, Samuel, Sallie, John, Horace, Emma, Hanna and Clay. There are several Horace Smith's in the Lexington area. Mine can be seen with wife Virginia on Ann Street in Lexington. My Grandfather, T H Smith, is on the census. In 1900 he is with his mother and step-father (Zephaniah Yates and Lucinda Yates). In other years he may be listed as Thomas Smith or T H Smith. He was a minister and served in several small towns surrounding Lexington. In 1910 he was in Lexington. In 1920 he was either in Midway or Georgetown, KY. In 1930 he was in Georgetown, KY. The Carrigan match I mentioned has one marker different. On DYS464d my dad is 16 while Carrigan is 17. Ancestry calls it a match within 6 generations. It looks like both of us have 46 markers tested. Our great challenge is that the common ancestor will be prior to Phillip Smith, who was apparently born around 1845. We hit a wall on the census at 1870. We are seeking fresh leads through DNA to hopefully piece together our family story. We have no knowledge beyond Phillip Smith. Based on an earlier post I have placed my father's profile on Ysearch.org. On that database I also see many individuals with Ireland as country of origin. Thanks to all for your kind help! Daryl -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Jenkins Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 8:36 PM To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] DNA Mystery Daryl, I looked at some sources and found a Phillip Smith who deceased 11-10-1896 at Fayette age 51 . Is he your Phillip ? I also found a Phill Smith in 1870 census at Smith Mills age 25 , wife Martha age 22 , dau. Marg. age 3, son Harrison age 2, and son George age 7 mos. . Might that be him . I can't seem to find your Thomas Horace . Except death record of 9-5-1970 age 88. A match within 9 generations is quite large so I think working the paper trail back might prove to be better. What is the match , how many markers tested and how many match ? Since you identify as African American and The Smiths I found , state or enumerator states Colored or Black then you are likely thinking of an NPE , because of slavery issue . Since there were not too many people of Irish heritage in Kentucky being slave holders in the early 1800s I would tend to rule that out . Yet many things can happen . Do you know any more about the Carrigans ? Does your father have recollections of family stories that may be helpful ? You may want to consider the Family Tree DNA , new Family Finder test . A little costly at $289.00 but revealing all cousins for about 6 generations back , both maternal and fraternal . Dan Jenkins > From: darylwsmith@hotmail.com > To: DNA-R1B1C7@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 13:54:41 -0400 > Subject: [R-M222] DNA Mystery > > My family is African American. My dad's DNA profile and close matches on > Ancestry indicate a male ancestor from Europe, possibly Ireland. Our > research to date only goes back to the 1870 census. My father (William > Smith) was born in Georgetown, Kentucky in 1930. My Grandfather, Thomas > Horace Smith was born in Lexington, Kentucky in 1882 and died in 1970. My > Great-Grandfather (Phil or Phillip Smith) is on the 1870 census in > Lexington, Kentucky. I believe he is also on the 1880 census in Lexington > and I have a death record of a Phillip Smith who died in Lexington > 11/11/1896. Does anyone have advice on how to make the leap from what we > know to where the DNA trail is leading? Anyone out there with the same or > similar DNA results? I have found one family who owned slaves in Virginia > who Ancestry says we have a common ancestor within 9 generations. Our > closest match is to a Carrigan family, originally from Ireland, but we have > no idea how the paths of our families might have crossed in the past. We > are seeking to make contact with everyone within 10 generations on my dad's > Ancestry DNA report. > > > > All advice is greatly appreciated. I have included my father's DNA results > in this post. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Daryl > > > > DYS19a 14 > > DYS19b - > > DYS385a 11 > > DYS385b 13 > > DYS388 12 > > DYS389I 13 > > DYS389II 29 > > DYS390 25 > > DYS391 11 > > DYS392 14 > > DYS393 13 > > DYS426 12 > > DYS437 15 > > DYS438 12 > > DYS439 12 > > DYS441 14 > > DYS442 17 > > DYS444 12 > > DYS445 12 > > DYS446 13 > > DYS447 25 > > DYS448 18 > > DYS449 31 > > DYS452 30 > > DYS454 11 > > DYS455 11 > > DYS456 17 > > DYS458 16 > > DYS459a 9 > > DYS459b 10 > > DYS460 11 > > DYS461 12 > > DYS462 11 > > DYS463 24 > > DYS464a 15 > > DYS464b 16 > > DYS464c 16 > > DYS464d 16 > > DYS464e - > > DYS464f - > > GGAAT1B07 10 > > YCAIIa 19 > > YCAIIb 23 > > Y-GATA-A10 15 > > DYS635 23 > > Y-GATA-H4 12 > > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message