A chairde / Friends Gille Dubh ('servant of black-haired') would become Giolla Duibh in time and anglicized as Gilduff / Kilduff . It would not ordinarily become Dunnshliabh ('Brown Mountain', also spelled Donnsliabh) or Duinnshle/ibhe ('of Brown Mountain'). O/ Duinnshle/ibhe ('Grandson of Brown Mountain') is usually anglicized as O'Dunleavy, O'Dunlevy, Levy. The O/ Duinnshle/ibhe were the Kings of the Da/l Fiatach of the Ulaidh until beaten by John de Courcy ca. 1176. Having been dispossessed, they became hereditary physicans in order to maintain their honor price and nemed (holy/noble) status under Fe/ineachas ('Brehon Law'). Best, Jerry

Hi Jerry [Gille Dubh ('servant of black-haired') would become Giolla Duibh in time and anglicized as Gilduff / Kilduff .] In Ireland, yes. In Scotland I think he would have been Scotified from Gille Dubh to McIldubh, pronounced McIlDoo? Sandy -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Kelly Sent: 16 May 2011 17:56 To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] MS 1450 new transcription / Ó Duinnshléibhe A chairde / Friends Gille Dubh ('servant of black-haired') would become Giolla Duibh in time and anglicized as Gilduff / Kilduff . It would not ordinarily become Dunnshliabh ('Brown Mountain', also spelled Donnsliabh) or Duinnshle/ibhe ('of Brown Mountain'). O/ Duinnshle/ibhe ('Grandson of Brown Mountain') is usually anglicized as O'Dunleavy, O'Dunlevy, Levy. The O/ Duinnshle/ibhe were the Kings of the Da/l Fiatach of the Ulaidh until beaten by John de Courcy ca. 1176. Having been dispossessed, they became hereditary physicans in order to maintain their honor price and nemed (holy/noble) status under Fe/ineachas ('Brehon Law'). Best, Jerry R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am intrigued with Paul's comment that dubh is pronounced differently in Ireland and Scotland; I only know the 'doo' version. I have always wondered how it is that this word gave us both Dow and Duff as surnames (especially as I am descended from a Perthshire Dow family myself). I just rechecked my surname atlas and see that both peak in Perthshire. Iain > From: equisand@equiformratings.com > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 19:02:56 +0100 > Subject: Re: [R-M222] MS 1450 new transcription / Ó Duinnshléibhe > > Hi Jerry > > [Gille Dubh ('servant of black-haired') would become Giolla Duibh in time > and > anglicized as Gilduff / Kilduff .] > > In Ireland, yes. In Scotland I think he would have been Scotified from Gille > Dubh to McIldubh, pronounced McIlDoo? > > Sandy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Kelly > Sent: 16 May 2011 17:56 > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] MS 1450 new transcription / Ó Duinnshléibhe > > A chairde / Friends > > Gille Dubh ('servant of black-haired') would become Giolla Duibh in time and > > anglicized as Gilduff / Kilduff . It would not ordinarily become > Dunnshliabh > ('Brown Mountain', also spelled Donnsliabh) or Duinnshle/ibhe ('of Brown > Mountain'). > > O/ Duinnshle/ibhe ('Grandson of Brown Mountain') is usually anglicized as > O'Dunleavy, O'Dunlevy, Levy. > > The O/ Duinnshle/ibhe were the Kings of the Da/l Fiatach of the Ulaidh until > > beaten by John de Courcy ca. 1176. Having been dispossessed, they became > hereditary physicans in order to maintain their honor price and nemed > (holy/noble) status under Fe/ineachas ('Brehon Law'). > > > Best, > Jerry > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message