Hi Sandy, Eremite = Hermit. Best, Jerry Cló an Druaidh / The Druid Press www.druidpress.com -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Paterson Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 12:54 PM To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [R-M222] Iona - MacGuilaDuibh ancestors to the Lamonts? [U1164.2: Select members of the Community of Ia, namely, the arch-priest, Augustin and the lector (that is, Dubsidhe) and the Eremite, Mac Gilla-duib and the Head of the Celi-De, namely, Mac Forcellaigh and select members of the Community of Ia besides came on behalf of the successor of Colum-cille, namely, Flaithbertach Ua Brolchain's acceptance of the abbacy of Ia, by advice of Somharlidh and of the Men of Airthir-Gaedhel and of Insi-Gall; but the successor of Patrick and the king of Ireland, that is, Ua Lochlainn and the nobles of Cenel-Eogain prevented him.] So Ia is Iona. Augustin is the arch-priest Dubsidhe is the lector Mac Gilla-duib is the Eremite Mac Forcellaigh is the Head of the Celi-De Can you help with Eremite? To me this means that, totally independently of the new transcript of MS 1467, the Annals identify a Mac Gilla-duib with Iona and its inhabitants. There could of course have been more than one Gilla-duib. And of course this is in 1164, whereas Sir James spoke of Orcanus having lived around A.D. 900. So this means that Mac Gille Dubh would have to have become a patrynomic surname within two generations of Neill guirm. Were patronyms in use in Iona by then? If so, I'd say that Neill guarm the abbot must surely be a more likely candidate than Niall Glundubh for Lamont ancestry, which was my gut feeling anyway. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Morgan Sent: 17 May 2011 16:59 To: dna-r1b1c7 Subject: [R-M222] Iona - MacGuilaDuibh ancestors to the Lamonts? > "...Orcanus, Laird of Lamount, quha livet about the nyn hundredth zeir > of oure Lord." The 1661 charter begins by Sir James Lamont saying "John M'Gilligowie in Castletoune in the Brae of Mar, and Donald Mclzegowie servitour to Sir David Ogilvie, sone to the Earle of Airlie, and all the name of M'llzeguies, ar my trew native kindlie people and kinsmen" and that they descend from one of his predecessors who was called by the nickname "Gillidow". So the they are the MacGillidowie. MS1450 tells us of Murachaidh i gilladub, i.e. Muireachaidh nikcnamed Gilladubh, the son of Neill guirm abbot of Iona. Black - in his "Surnames of Scotland" under MacIldowie (MacGillaDuibh) tells of Macgilladubh the Hermit of Iona recorded in 1164. U1164.2: Select members of the Community of Ia, namely, the arch-priest, Augustin and the lector (that is, Dubsidhe) and the Eremite, Mac Gilla-duib and the Head of the Celi-De, namely, Mac Forcellaigh and select members of the Community of Ia besides came on behalf of the successor of Colum-cille, namely, Flaithbertach Ua Brolchain's acceptance of the abbacy of Ia, by advice of Somharlidh and of the Men of Airthir-Gaedhel and of Insi-Gall; but the successor of Patrick and the king of Ireland, that is, Ua Lochlainn and the nobles of Cenel-Eogain prevented him. R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message