I found a couple of references to the Nigelli of Buyt quoted in Memorials of Argyllshire. The text is in Latin and I can't tell the date. They were dated to prior to 1249 by the author. In each reference the men were witnesses. You can find a copy on Google Books if you want them. Ferchardo filio Nigelli de Buyt p. 268 Descriptions of the sheriffdoms of Lanark and Renfrew compiled about M.DCC.X ... edited by John Dillion, John Fullartoun Ferchardo de Buit, Duncano fratre suo p.268 Descriptions of the sheriffdoms of Lanark and Renfrew compiled about M.DCC.X ... edited by John Dillion, John Fullartoun Skene (Highlanders of Scotland) says the Lamonts were descended from an Angus MacRory (ie, McDonald), who at about this time, was Lord of Bute. Any connection here with the R1a Lamonts who are said to match the McDonalds? John

[Any connection here with the R1a Lamonts who are said to match the McDonalds?] All I can tell you is that the three Lamont R1a's would look perfectly at home amongst the clan Donald Nordic's. I'm curious that you persist with de Buyt. I may have got it wrong but you seem to have Ladhmann alive at the same time as de Buyt, who, if you are right, would have to have been Ladhmann's great great grandfather. A great great grandfather still alive at the same time as his great great grandson? Sandy -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lochlan@aol.com Sent: 18 May 2011 02:06 To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: [R-M222] Angus MacRory I found a couple of references to the Nigelli of Buyt quoted in Memorials of Argyllshire. The text is in Latin and I can't tell the date. They were dated to prior to 1249 by the author. In each reference the men were witnesses. You can find a copy on Google Books if you want them. Ferchardo filio Nigelli de Buyt p. 268 Descriptions of the sheriffdoms of Lanark and Renfrew compiled about M.DCC.X ... edited by John Dillion, John Fullartoun Ferchardo de Buit, Duncano fratre suo p.268 Descriptions of the sheriffdoms of Lanark and Renfrew compiled about M.DCC.X ... edited by John Dillion, John Fullartoun Skene (Highlanders of Scotland) says the Lamonts were descended from an Angus MacRory (ie, McDonald), who at about this time, was Lord of Bute. Any connection here with the R1a Lamonts who are said to match the McDonalds? John R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John, MDCCX = 1710 in Latin Cheers, Paul On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:05 PM, <Lochlan@aol.com> wrote: > I found a couple of references to the Nigelli of Buyt quoted in Memorials > of Argyllshire. The text is in Latin and I can't tell the date. They > were > dated to prior to 1249 by the author. In each reference the men were > witnesses. You can find a copy on Google Books if you want them. > > Ferchardo filio Nigelli de Buyt > p. 268 > Descriptions of the sheriffdoms of Lanark and Renfrew compiled about > M.DCC.X ... > edited by John Dillion, John Fullartoun > > Ferchardo de Buit, Duncano fratre suo > p.268 > Descriptions of the sheriffdoms of Lanark and Renfrew compiled about > M.DCC.X ... > edited by John Dillion, John Fullartoun > > Skene (Highlanders of Scotland) says the Lamonts were descended from an > Angus MacRory (ie, McDonald), who at about this time, was Lord of Bute. > > Any connection here with the R1a Lamonts who are said to match the > McDonalds? > > > > John > R1b1c7 Research and Links: > > http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I think Ferchardo filio Nigelli de Buyt means Nigelli of Bute, in the line of Fearchar. I don't think it means Fearchar, son of Nigelli de Buyt. I actually passed a Latin examination once. It was in the third term of four terms, in my first year of high school. The pass mark was 33 and a third percent. I achieved 33 and two thirds percent. Sandy -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lochlan@aol.com Sent: 18 May 2011 02:06 To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com Subject: [R-M222] Angus MacRory I found a couple of references to the Nigelli of Buyt quoted in Memorials of Argyllshire. The text is in Latin and I can't tell the date. They were dated to prior to 1249 by the author. In each reference the men were witnesses. You can find a copy on Google Books if you want them. Ferchardo filio Nigelli de Buyt p. 268 Descriptions of the sheriffdoms of Lanark and Renfrew compiled about M.DCC.X ... edited by John Dillion, John Fullartoun Ferchardo de Buit, Duncano fratre suo p.268 Descriptions of the sheriffdoms of Lanark and Renfrew compiled about M.DCC.X ... edited by John Dillion, John Fullartoun Skene (Highlanders of Scotland) says the Lamonts were descended from an Angus MacRory (ie, McDonald), who at about this time, was Lord of Bute. Any connection here with the R1a Lamonts who are said to match the McDonalds? John R1b1c7 Research and Links: http://clanmaclochlainn.com/R1b1c7/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What were the divisions of Argyll and Bute: Kintyre home to the Angus mac Donald Cowal (Cenél Comgall) Bute held by the MacRory? Arran held by the MacRory? Cnapadal\Knapdale home to the MacSween? yet held by John of Menteith? Lorne (Cenél Loairn mac Erc) home to Ewen mac Dougall Mull Islay Ouside: Movren - Kinelvadon (Cenél Báetáin of Cenél Loairn) in Lochaber Is there a good breakdown of the 12/13th century Argyll?

> Skene (Highlanders of Scotland) says the Lamonts were descended from an > Angus MacRory (ie, McDonald), who at about this time, was Lord of Bute. James mac Angus mac Rory's daughter Jean married Alexander the high sheriff in 1242. Her great-grandfather Rory mac Ranald mac Somerled died in c1247 after reigning from c1214. There seem to be a problem for Rory's two reported sons are Dugald (active in 1258?) and Ailen (active 1285-1309, and may the son of Dugald). Dugald mac Rory would have been the great-uncle to Jean nic James mac Angus mac Rory? The MacRory of Arran Bute seems, for me, are not descendants of Somerled. So who is Angus MacRory, Lachlan MacRory and James mac Angus MacRory of Bute and Cowal?