In a message dated 5/22/2011 5:37:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, alexanderpatterson@btinternet.com writes: In any event, he claimed nothing fancy, just that he had an ancestor called Orcanus, and another one called Gille Dubh. I don't know why I didn't think of this before but could Orcanus be Erc, the ancestor of the Scottish Dal Riata? He was by legend the father of Fergus Mor, Angus and Loarn who are said to have settled in Scotland. If so he may have just been quoting some kind of version of the founding of the Scottish Dal Riata. John