I am a little lost: Lamont, Bremmer, Byrne, Conroy are all S568/DF106+ Lamont, Conroy only are S566+ Lamont, is also S555-S567 postive, not Conroy Byrne, Conroy are also PF1169+ So Byrne must also be S566+ or Lamont is PF1169+? ---------------------------------------- > From: ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 19:18:51 +0000 > Subject: Re: [R-M222] PF1169 news > > Odd that this got overlooked by everyone (!) but it does look now as if Paul shares two of the Howard Lamont SNPs since as well as S568 he has S566. > > This are the relevant lines from a join between Paul C's variants and the Chromo2 table: > > > > > > > > > > > > b37 position > Reference allele > Sample allele > dbSNP rsID > Named variant status > Reliability warning level > Samples sharing variant > hg19 > chromo2ID > alias > type > ref > alt > Flags > Field8 > Field9 > Field10 > Field11 > > > > > > 14408586 > G > C > > > FGC451+ > > > > > 14408586 > S568 > S568 > SNP > G > C > M222 > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15719082 > G > A > > > FGC453+ > > > > > 15719082 > S566 > S566 > SNP > G > A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lamont SNPs are S555-S567 with S568 the branch marker. > > Iain > > > > > >> From: dcw1000@live.com >> To: ChantillyCarpets@earthlink.net; dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com; ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com >> Subject: RE: [R-M222] PF1169 news >> Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 12:12:49 -0700 >> >> That's very interesting. Thank you for the report. I know where my next >> hour (at least) is going to be spent. >> >> David Wilson >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Hedeen >> Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2014 11:49 AM >> To: dna-r1b1c7; Iain Kennedy; Susan Hedeen; dna-r1b1c7; Iain Kennedy; Susan >> Hedeen >> Subject: [R-M222] PF1169 news >> >> Byrne kit # 227877 Chromo2 results is S7072+ S7073+ S568+ PF1169+ S567- >> >> I have copy of part of Paul Conroy's FGC report. >> There is a notation for variant + 14408586 G C with G being >> ancestral and C being derived >> >> According to YSEQ S568 position is: HG19:14408566..14408586 >> >> If I'm reading Paul's report correctly, he is also positive for S568, I >> should be checked on this. If I am reading his report correctly, then it is >> confirmed by Byrne coming out of Chromo2. >> >> I checked the BISDNA CZ2000 spreadsheet. In it I noticed no other S568+ >> being positive for PF1169 (may be an old file) >> >> I've been busy in attempt to verify all of this; none the less I'm bringing >> this to your attention now. >> >> I have suggestion that all who have been derived for PF1169 either do >> Chromo2 or single SNP test with >> YSEQ for S568. >> >> If there are consistent results across the board and IF I read Paul Conroy's >> FGC correctly then it may well be that >> PF1169 sits under S568 and either above or parallell to S567. >> >> Please, Iain and others double check what I have represented above. I will >> forward on the Byrne Chromo2 result to Iain shortly. >> >> Susan Hedeen >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, Byrne is S566+ On 5/1/2014 4:02 PM, Bernard Morgan wrote: > I am a little lost: > > > Lamont, Bremmer, Byrne, Conroy are all S568/DF106+ > Lamont, Conroy only are S566+ > Lamont, is also S555-S567 postive, not Conroy > > Byrne, Conroy are also PF1169+ > > So Byrne must also be S566+ or Lamont is PF1169+? > > > ---------------------------------------- >

So we are back to " ... the three principal peoples in Ireland, namely Feni, Ulaid, and Gaileoin or Laigin" Feni are the Dal Cuinn for which Connacht is named Ulaid are the Dal Fiatach move north into East Ulster Gaileoin are principally of Meath, now North Leinster (from Laigin). What remains a question is who is the one S7073 negative? ---------------------------------------- > Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 16:09:53 -0400 > From: chantillycarpets@earthlink.net > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] PF1169 news > > Yes, Byrne is S566+ > > On 5/1/2014 4:02 PM, Bernard Morgan wrote: >> I am a little lost: >> >> >> Lamont, Bremmer, Byrne, Conroy are all S568/DF106+ >> Lamont, Conroy only are S566+ >> Lamont, is also S555-S567 postive, not Conroy >> >> Byrne, Conroy are also PF1169+ >> >> So Byrne must also be S566+ or Lamont is PF1169+? >> >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think that this very old quote, together with the archeology of the Royal Sites associated with them, holds the key to M222 in Ireland. Emain Macha and now Tara (I believe), have been dated by dendrochronology to 95 BC. -----Original Message----- From: dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dna-r1b1c7-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Morgan So we are back to " ... the three principal peoples in Ireland, namely Feni, Ulaid, and Gaileoin or Laigin" Feni are the Dal Cuinn for which Connacht is named Ulaid are the Dal Fiatach move north into East Ulster Gaileoin are principally of Meath, now North Leinster (from Laigin). What remains a question is who is the one S7073 negative?