Iain, Ireland's / Scotland's DNA don't seem to be using the A223, etc. or FGC5929, etc. notations, as far as I can tell. John On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Iain Kennedy <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: > John, > > I was responding to a question from Teresa there, so that advice isn't > applicable to you. > > If you want to explore further, you would need to test some of the new > branches under S660: > > A223/A224/A225 (all should be bought together) > FGC5939.2/A259/A260 (again, all should be bought together) > FGC4133 (so far only Milligans are positive for this but others could be > too) > > This advice applies to anyone who has S660/S659 as their terminal SNP. If > anyone is unclear what their terminal SNP is please shout out to avoid > buying the wrong thing. > > Iain > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 14:08:28 -0700 > > From: john.loughney@gmail.com > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] needing advice > > > > Iain, > > > > You mention test as follows: > > > > round one: S660 > > round two: S588 if S660+. FGC4077 if S660-. > > > > It seems that I am negative for S588 and negative for FGC4077; there are > a > > quite a few other markers and SNPs listed in my Chromo2 signature - is it > > that S660 would be my terminal SNP, and nothing (yet) discovered below it > > (besides S588 / FGC4077)? > > > > thanks, > > John > > > > > > On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Iain Kennedy < > ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > > > Teresa, the best option would be to take advantage of the YSEQ sale > which > > > should allow two rounds of testing before the price goes up (and even > then > > > is cheaper than FTDNA), assuming one of your brothers is willing. A > > > strategy would be > > > round one: S660 > > > round two: S588 if S660+. FGC4077 if S660-. > > > > > > That will more or less nail it unless you are S588+ and then have to > > > follow up for a third round. The growing picture as you may have > gathered > > > is a heavy concentration with S660 as their terminal SNP so > statistically > > > that is probably the most likely outcome and a third round wouldn't > then be > > > needed. > > > > > > I think Chromo2 is not such a good option in your case as you have > already > > > eliminated one major branch. > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: teresaheiland@hotmail.com > > > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > > > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 10:00:40 -0700 > > > > Subject: [R-M222] needing advice > > > > > > > > Dear Iain, > > > > > > > > I'm wondering if you could provide me with some guidance about next > > > steps with ordering SNPs for my father's DNA. > > > > I know just enough about dna analysis to be "dangerous" to myself. > LOL. > > > > > > > > My dad's kit is > > > > 258368 at FTdna. He > (Leo > > > Heiland) just passed away, so I won't likely be able to do a Big Y test > > > because FTdna says it likely will require additional saliva. However, > my > > > brothers are living, so I could do the Big Y test at some point by > asking > > > one of them. > > > > > > > > His results so far is R-M222+, DF 85-. > > > > > > > > The M222 Project administrators at FtDNA suggested I ask you for > advice > > > on which other tests would be most beneficial to me to learn more > specific > > > details. They said that I need to look "up stream" of DF 85, which I > > > understand in theory, but neither they or I know which tests to explore > > > next. They encouraged me to ask you. > > > > > > > > Would you kindly provide me with some direction? I know you get a > lot > > > of requests, so I understand if you are busy. > > > > > > > > Teresa Heiland > > > > (Daughter of an Irishman without an Irish name.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
John, These are BigY discoveries and post-date Chromo2. They can all be purchased at http://shop.yseq.net/. Iain > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 15:02:39 -0700 > From: john.loughney@gmail.com > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [R-M222] needing advice > > Iain, > > Ireland's / Scotland's DNA don't seem to be using the A223, etc. or > FGC5929, etc. notations, as far as I can tell. > > John > > > On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Iain Kennedy <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > John, > > > > I was responding to a question from Teresa there, so that advice isn't > > applicable to you. > > > > If you want to explore further, you would need to test some of the new > > branches under S660: > > > > A223/A224/A225 (all should be bought together) > > FGC5939.2/A259/A260 (again, all should be bought together) > > FGC4133 (so far only Milligans are positive for this but others could be > > too) > > > > This advice applies to anyone who has S660/S659 as their terminal SNP. If > > anyone is unclear what their terminal SNP is please shout out to avoid > > buying the wrong thing. > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 14:08:28 -0700 > > > From: john.loughney@gmail.com > > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] needing advice > > > > > > Iain, > > > > > > You mention test as follows: > > > > > > round one: S660 > > > round two: S588 if S660+. FGC4077 if S660-. > > > > > > It seems that I am negative for S588 and negative for FGC4077; there are > > a > > > quite a few other markers and SNPs listed in my Chromo2 signature - is it > > > that S660 would be my terminal SNP, and nothing (yet) discovered below it > > > (besides S588 / FGC4077)? > > > > > > thanks, > > > John > > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Iain Kennedy < > > ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > > > > > Teresa, the best option would be to take advantage of the YSEQ sale > > which > > > > should allow two rounds of testing before the price goes up (and even > > then > > > > is cheaper than FTDNA), assuming one of your brothers is willing. A > > > > strategy would be > > > > round one: S660 > > > > round two: S588 if S660+. FGC4077 if S660-. > > > > > > > > That will more or less nail it unless you are S588+ and then have to > > > > follow up for a third round. The growing picture as you may have > > gathered > > > > is a heavy concentration with S660 as their terminal SNP so > > statistically > > > > that is probably the most likely outcome and a third round wouldn't > > then be > > > > needed. > > > > > > > > I think Chromo2 is not such a good option in your case as you have > > already > > > > eliminated one major branch. > > > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: teresaheiland@hotmail.com > > > > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > > > > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 10:00:40 -0700 > > > > > Subject: [R-M222] needing advice > > > > > > > > > > Dear Iain, > > > > > > > > > > I'm wondering if you could provide me with some guidance about next > > > > steps with ordering SNPs for my father's DNA. > > > > > I know just enough about dna analysis to be "dangerous" to myself. > > LOL. > > > > > > > > > > My dad's kit is > > > > > 258368 at FTdna. He > > (Leo > > > > Heiland) just passed away, so I won't likely be able to do a Big Y test > > > > because FTdna says it likely will require additional saliva. However, > > my > > > > brothers are living, so I could do the Big Y test at some point by > > asking > > > > one of them. > > > > > > > > > > His results so far is R-M222+, DF 85-. > > > > > > > > > > The M222 Project administrators at FtDNA suggested I ask you for > > advice > > > > on which other tests would be most beneficial to me to learn more > > specific > > > > details. They said that I need to look "up stream" of DF 85, which I > > > > understand in theory, but neither they or I know which tests to explore > > > > next. They encouraged me to ask you. > > > > > > > > > > Would you kindly provide me with some direction? I know you get a > > lot > > > > of requests, so I understand if you are busy. > > > > > > > > > > Teresa Heiland > > > > > (Daughter of an Irishman without an Irish name.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Iain, Gotcha! John On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Iain Kennedy <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: > John, > > These are BigY discoveries and post-date Chromo2. They can all be > purchased at http://shop.yseq.net/. > > Iain > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 15:02:39 -0700 > > From: john.loughney@gmail.com > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] needing advice > > > > Iain, > > > > Ireland's / Scotland's DNA don't seem to be using the A223, etc. or > > FGC5929, etc. notations, as far as I can tell. > > > > John > > > > > > On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Iain Kennedy <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com > >wrote: > > > > > John, > > > > > > I was responding to a question from Teresa there, so that advice isn't > > > applicable to you. > > > > > > If you want to explore further, you would need to test some of the new > > > branches under S660: > > > > > > A223/A224/A225 (all should be bought together) > > > FGC5939.2/A259/A260 (again, all should be bought together) > > > FGC4133 (so far only Milligans are positive for this but others could > be > > > too) > > > > > > This advice applies to anyone who has S660/S659 as their terminal SNP. > If > > > anyone is unclear what their terminal SNP is please shout out to avoid > > > buying the wrong thing. > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 14:08:28 -0700 > > > > From: john.loughney@gmail.com > > > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > > > Subject: Re: [R-M222] needing advice > > > > > > > > Iain, > > > > > > > > You mention test as follows: > > > > > > > > round one: S660 > > > > round two: S588 if S660+. FGC4077 if S660-. > > > > > > > > It seems that I am negative for S588 and negative for FGC4077; there > are > > > a > > > > quite a few other markers and SNPs listed in my Chromo2 signature - > is it > > > > that S660 would be my terminal SNP, and nothing (yet) discovered > below it > > > > (besides S588 / FGC4077)? > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Iain Kennedy < > > > ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > > > > > > > Teresa, the best option would be to take advantage of the YSEQ sale > > > which > > > > > should allow two rounds of testing before the price goes up (and > even > > > then > > > > > is cheaper than FTDNA), assuming one of your brothers is willing. A > > > > > strategy would be > > > > > round one: S660 > > > > > round two: S588 if S660+. FGC4077 if S660-. > > > > > > > > > > That will more or less nail it unless you are S588+ and then have > to > > > > > follow up for a third round. The growing picture as you may have > > > gathered > > > > > is a heavy concentration with S660 as their terminal SNP so > > > statistically > > > > > that is probably the most likely outcome and a third round wouldn't > > > then be > > > > > needed. > > > > > > > > > > I think Chromo2 is not such a good option in your case as you have > > > already > > > > > eliminated one major branch. > > > > > > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: teresaheiland@hotmail.com > > > > > > To: dna-r1b1c7@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 10:00:40 -0700 > > > > > > Subject: [R-M222] needing advice > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Iain, > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm wondering if you could provide me with some guidance about > next > > > > > steps with ordering SNPs for my father's DNA. > > > > > > I know just enough about dna analysis to be "dangerous" to > myself. > > > LOL. > > > > > > > > > > > > My dad's kit is > > > > > > 258368 at FTdna. He > > > (Leo > > > > > Heiland) just passed away, so I won't likely be able to do a Big Y > test > > > > > because FTdna says it likely will require additional saliva. > However, > > > my > > > > > brothers are living, so I could do the Big Y test at some point by > > > asking > > > > > one of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > His results so far is R-M222+, DF 85-. > > > > > > > > > > > > The M222 Project administrators at FtDNA suggested I ask you for > > > advice > > > > > on which other tests would be most beneficial to me to learn more > > > specific > > > > > details. They said that I need to look "up stream" of DF 85, > which I > > > > > understand in theory, but neither they or I know which tests to > explore > > > > > next. They encouraged me to ask you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you kindly provide me with some direction? I know you get > a > > > lot > > > > > of requests, so I understand if you are busy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Teresa Heiland > > > > > > (Daughter of an Irishman without an Irish name.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the > > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the > > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DNA-R1B1C7-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >